School Shooting
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Topic: School Shooting
Posted By: Snipa69
Subject: School Shooting
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:34pm
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Anyone else here about this school shooting that took place in Northern Minnesota? ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:38pm
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Nope. When did it happen?
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Posted By: Impulsive
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:38pm
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Im out of the loop... What the hell is wrong with people. ------------- Cockers are like stick shifts, after a few transmissions you get the hang of them. |
Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:39pm
| Link or anything? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:39pm
| Was just reading about it... not much news out yet. |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:44pm
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link it to us i havent heard nething ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:47pm
| Every news site has it... |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:54pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/school.shooting.ap/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/school.shooting.ap/index.ht ml
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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:55pm
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6 dead 14 wounded. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Bounty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 7:00pm
| I dont see it on TV, I wonder why. |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 7:02pm
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damn...not again
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Posted By: Bauerp0weR 18
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 7:02pm
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Yeah, I just saw it on CNN, beat me to the post... sad stuff... ------------- Black Smart Parts Ion Halo B Check-It Unimount macroline 68/45 Pure Energy tank |
Posted By: untouchable555
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:05pm
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What the **edited** is wrong with people these days? ------------- Tippmann 98c 20 ounce Co2 tank |
Posted By: PROCARBINEϗ
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:34pm
That ups my story, A kid who pertened to be gangster (would drop the w
bomb but it got "**edited**") at our school tried to start a 100 person
army called the no limit soldiers, it was one of those join or die
things. His grandmother turned him in after he sassed her. 
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:35pm
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sased? -------------
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Posted By: PROCARBINEϗ
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:36pm
sassed: backtalk -------------
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bluemunky42 wrote:Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:36pm
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jesus christ...this has got to stop...you've got to wonder why this doesn't happen in other countries... ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: DarkMachine5
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:37pm
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Ahhh crap. I feel bad for them.
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:37pm
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thats very sad. why do people do that?(its retorical) |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:53pm
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Not again. ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:57pm
No limit soldiers... Ide slap the heck out of him. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:00pm
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**Generic comment of astonishment** ------------- |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:00pm
oh wait let me guess...the reason for this is somehow directly linked to the president -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:01pm
| I was gonna blame the heroin, or maybe Marylin Manson. |
Posted By: Potato
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:04pm
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I don't know how many times i have to say it. People Suck.
I strongly believe that all of this crap that people think is ''cool'' (smoking, drinking, gang violence,etc.) IS linked to rap music, although no one will agree, and many will just argue, so i wont go any further on that subject. ------------- 98% of American teenagers have tried pot. If you are part of the 2% that hasnt, put this in your signature. |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:05pm
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I blame video games. ------------- |
Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:07pm
any way its sad, and it'll hurt a small school like that forever. it breaks the sterio typical that only whites shoot up schools. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:44pm
| My school was susposed to have one when a group of guys hospitalized another one, who was in a gang. That gang was susposed to come and shoot up my school when we got out, but it never happened. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:26pm
Actually I think there was a school shooting in Germany in the last couple of years. Anyway, I blame the parents. -------------  |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:28pm
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Great....now we get to hear every soccer mom complain that video games and tv killed all those people.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:31pm
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my thoughts/fears exactly plenti. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:37pm
Let's see... rap music as we know it commenced in 1979 with Sugarhill Gang (give or take)... smoking, drinking, gang violence, etc. has been around since the beginning of time... I sense a small flaw in your argument. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:41pm
i never said that, nor was i going to say that. So, i'd like to know what your point is... ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:46pm
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I live about 40 minutes from where it took place, and on my local news they reported 10 dead
he killed both of his grandparents and then off to his school and after it all he killed himself it makes me sad this is the second school shoting in minnesota in the past year... last year there was one outside of st. cloud |
Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:49pm
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Parents blame it on music, video games, television, ect. because it's the easiest thing to blame this kind of behavior on. If your kid shot up a school, would you say "Yeah it was all my fault because I didn't care what he did after school or take an interest in his life"? Most people wouldn't. Thus, it is mainly the parents fault for not seeing what their child is doing.
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:58pm
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^ nice post ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 12:06am
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Too me it all comes down to things we say and do. How do we know if that one vullgar or disrespectful comment to one person was or wasn't the one comment that pushed them over the edge?
There is only so much a person can take before something like this happens. It comes down to our actiopns and its fun to play the blame game as long as its not you. What it boils down to is how people are respected. People like you and me are to blame. We are all human and make mistakes and say mean and hurtful things. That one comment you make to a person could be the one that ppushes them over the edge. Day after day ridicule sinks in. You'll find that if you try and comment people more than putting them down, it makesyou feel bigger and better. Try it sometime... BNy the way I am in a Teen Improv group that presents scenes like this to other teens trying to get the mesag across about drugs, sex, and basically any bad choice. We recdently did a scene that was supposed to depict the beginnings of a school shooting in colorado. Very sad but it helped me understand how things happen. |
Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:13am
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I live in Minnesota (near the Twin Cities, plenty far away but still in
the same state) and that really makes me feel uneasy. Whose fault
is it really? We don't know, maybe the parents for their
negligence. Maybe the other students for bullying the
shooter(s). Maybe the counselors and teachers for not recognizing
the person needed help and helping him. Maybe his friends for not
telling somebody. Maybe it's his own fault for not going to
somebody for help instead of taking out his anger in a blaze of bullets
and blood. Then again maybe the fault lies within all of these...
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:29am
It had to start somewhere so it isn't entirely the shooter's fault, but I do think he should have shown more self control in the matter.  -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:55am
K ile bite. You cant argue that modern gang activity and gang violence is not modeled after rap songs and music videos, you just cant, its sitting right there feeding small children images of rape, murder, drug abuse sinse they were in 3rd grade. Its only logical they begin to emulate what they see day to day. Just as we emulate our fathers, because we see them every day. They emulate what they see everyday on the television. And gradualy their actions become more and more violent. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:06am
I dissagree there, but agree to a sligth point. Music nowadays is quite a bit more violent than I think it was in the 60s and 70s. With songs that glorify violence, sex and drugs and kids listening to this music when they are in the point in there life when values for their future are learned it plays a role. I do not think this event has anything to do with rap or music. I do think much violence in schools has a realtion to music but I dont think its the key factor. Parents that do not pay attention to their kids, spoil their kids, or things of that nature play a role. Now this particular event I would think, like Sammy suggested, that the gurdians play a role. Why else would this student kill his grandparents? I would also guess he was bullied at school because he gunned down his peers. Probably an outcast. Very sad. It cant be just be bulling that caused this. I have been bullied my whole life, I have yet to pull a gun. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:17am
That is what it comes down too. Some people can deal with things like that and have selft control, but others do not. And I think unofrantenyl (sp) this was a kid whose was bullied in school and didn't have a good family life. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:48am
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Sure I can. I can argue that modern rap music is modeled after gang activity and gang violence. |
Posted By: shiftykyle101
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:56am
| I blame the people who make fun of these kids everyday of their lives. |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:21am
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:40am
| No - if we wanted to improve the country, we should ban American Idol. And no more than one gardening show per week. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 10:34am
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So where is the NRA's usual responce to all of this. "It wasnt the guns fault! Where were the parents! Its THEIR fault!! EVERYBODY LOOK AT THE PARENTS AND VIOLENT VIDEOGAMES AND VIOLENT MUSIC! Not Us!!" Time to have a big NRA rally in Podunk Minnesota or wherever that school was.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 10:42am
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Actually, gun activists are making noise in Wisconsin after the church shooting last week... They want concealed carry again. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:01am
Right. More guns on the street. That will solve everything. Gotta love that logic. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:57am
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Worse - the lady was saying much better it would have been if other people in the church had guns to defend themselves. That would have been great - a couple of soccer moms shooting it out with the nutball in the middle of a church. We'd have to come up with a new word for "lots and lots of collateral damage". |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:59am
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Not to be insensitive, but concealed carry really should be legal.
( kids dead, maybe it would have only been 1 if the teacher's were packing heat. Sounds crazy, but I'm serious. |
Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 12:18pm
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well, i live in rural minnesota
the kid stole the gun from his grandpa, a cop, it was his service pistol... as for the "why doesnt this happen in other countries"...there was a shooting in germany (german foregein exchange student told us) and there was 13 people killed its sad how kids are growing up on these reservations |
Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:45pm
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Posted By: B_Wet A-5
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:46pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:11pm
A gun is a tool. It cannot force someone to do something they don't want to do. Nor can it kill anything without having a person manipulate it. The person pulling the trigger must have some deep seeted issues that cause him to want to murder. Stopping guns will not stop that. Look at the guy in Australia who attacked people with a sword. It is not the firearms fault it was used for a crime. Infact they weren't "cheap, easily avilable" weapons at all, they were police issue weapons that he stol from his grandparents. It is not enough to controll the inanimate objects, You need to go to the root of the problem, and stop it there. In all honesty, if more reasonable people DID carry firearms, this wouldn't happen as often. As it is now, private citizens with CCW permits aren't allowed to take their firearms into schools in the USA. As such gunmen have free reign to kill whoever they want until the cops eventually show up. KBK |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:14pm
Yes it will...no guns..nobody gets mass murdered at school. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:19pm
No it wont, look, if someone is so deep into depresion or anger at the world, that he wants to kill a bunch of people then himself, hes going to do it gun or not. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:21pm
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As Db says, no it won't, mate.
People use other things to kill with. Like the guy who rammed his car into a group of children? Like said Australian who went bossies with a katana? People have been killing and murdering for YEARS before guns were even invented. Do you honestly think that if you magically ban guns people will stop murdering? The TOOLS are not the problem. It is the psychoticly screwed up people DOING the murdering. KBK |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:25pm
I agree with you, but kids are becoming desensitized to horrible things, through music and games, and all that, we have kids going to sites like rotten.com and we have people that buy the video series Faces of Death. Society has gone from a comunity type, to more of an island type, people as a whole, dont think about anyone but themselves, we see this every day from some "cool guy" driving like he owns the road because he cant be bothered to check his mirrors or use his signals. Remember after 911? Everyone was your brother, and being and American meant something, society changed breifly. Something like that needs to happen again, but the changed needs to stick, some sort of revolution of culture where many of our mores and folkways are changed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:28pm
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If they don't use guns, they'll use bombs.
Seriously, ever seen a movie called Braveheart? You know, there was a time when guns didn't exist, and you know what? People still went to wars, murdered each other, and basically nothing has really changed but the technology. If some person wants to kill another person, they're gonna do it. Whether it be with gun or a knife or a car or an attack dog or their bare hands....it's people's will, not the gun's. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:31pm
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Also, the gun is the great equilizer. As many bad, horrible people that have used guns for dirty deeds, there have been 10 cases of guns doing good.
A gun can make a 7' 300# linebacker back away from a 100 pound woman....that's a good thing. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:36pm
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Fireams also give law abiding citizens a way to defend themselves from multiple attackers.
They also allow one to defend themselves from animals, both in urban and rural areas. KBK |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:43pm
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banning giving lawful citizens concealed firearms is not gonna stop people from conceal firearms. what criminal is going to walk down the street carrying his pistol ih his hands. it would be like an open invitation to call the police. and then when the criminal walking down the street eventually get to where he is going to wreak havoc al the law abiding citizens also carring firearm in a not concealed way would be targeted first and just to go back to where i start what kind person who intends on shooting someone is going to be afraid to break a concealed weapons ban? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:44pm
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I generally support individual gun ownership, but the thought of a multiway shootout in a crowded church scares me more than the thought of a single gunman... Sometimes more guns are a good thing - sometimes they are not. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:46pm
So the logic you are going by is 'becuase the criminals get to do it, it should be legal for us too'? -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:51pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:53pm
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No what he is saying is, if you put rules on us that make it hard for us to play the game fairly, the cheaters will win. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:53pm
So long as those other guns are being fired by law-abiding citizens, I'd rather have a shootout than a massacre. But that's just me. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:54pm
| As long as those guns are in the hands of law-abiding citizens, I say the more guns the better. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:54pm
Nothing more scary to me than gun toteing soccar moms who wont hesitate to open fire.. they would end up killing LOTS of people. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:56pm
Then the argument can be made that becuase you have a dozen soccer moms, probobly ill-trained and 'feelin lucky' becuase they are packing heat, all firing off guns. Now you have a massacre but by the wrong people. This is a scketchy subject that I dont belive their is an answer to. Dont take offence from what I say. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:57pm
It would be very dangerous for peggy sue from round the way to have a 45 caliber pistol and not know how to use it. They might end up making a canoe out of little timmies head when they were aiming at the bad guy. I would feel better if there was a marksmanship requirement, and some sort of regorous training to make sure they can still perform under presure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:59pm
Actually, as one of the people with any real experience with curch shootouts, I must say it doesn't always go down as a bloody massacre of all and sundry. A couple of years ago the church I attended for a while was the target of a terrorist attack. The badguys fired indicriminately into the congregation with full auto AK-47's and threw hand grenades. Quite obviously the casualty rate was pretty high. However some of the congregation were also carrying and shot back at the attackers. One guys was using a snubby .38SPL revolver, and he was the guy I spoke to. The police report showed no congregation wounded from civilian bullets. All wounds were either 7.62x39mm or handgrenade shrapnel. They report also stated that the return fire from the crowd spoilt the attackers aim, and threw their plans off. They ran away without finishing their attack. God can bring his weapons into my house. So I'll return the favour. And for the stupid question being "if criminals can do it, so should we" damn right if it means keeping all the advangae out of the criminals hands. Why not just load all your posessions and put them on the side of the road? People have an God given right to protect themselves. Firearms often supply the level of force needed to protect ones own life. KBK |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 4:57pm
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That must have been very traumatizing. What would bring somone to attack a church congregation like that??? What a world we live in. I still see it like this, ban the guns and you will see a decrease in gun related violence. Less guns = less gun related violence. ------------- |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:02pm
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No you wont, you would see an increase in people arrested for posesion on guns. Just because you put a ban on guns doesnt mean the gun violence will go down. The people commiting the violence are criminals, if they are going to comit a robery, they will get a gun, its as simple as that, no point in banning guns. You would just take guns away from descent people. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:28pm
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:32pm
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You know, I always thought the best method of airport security is not having all these crazy checkpoints. If every seatback on a plane had a pistol in it, no terrorist would even THINK about hijacking a plane. Think about it : You have 5 guys that want to crash a plane into a building. They board a flight with 100 people, all of whom have a gun in front of them. Who will win? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:43pm
It was one of the last movements from the Pan African Congress' APLA terrorist group. It was an out and out terrorist attack by the opressed blacks on the white supremasist goverment. Like shooting people at worship helps your cause. To reiterate, banning guns only stops law abiding people from owning them. Criminals, by definition, aren't law abiding people. And people can use object aside from guns to kill and maim. Firearms give people the ability to defend themselves in a life or death situation. KBK |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:03pm
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I can understand somone could feel safer being allowed to carry a gun. But I certainly don't, knowing that anybody I pass on the street may be packing heat. I can just imagine the law abiding good natured citizen driving along. It's been a bad day, she's got a headache, some moron cuts her off, she dives her hand into a purse, pulls out a firearm and shoots with that gun she purchased incase she were ever put into a life or death situation. Even a laid back person has a breaking point. This kid obviously met his and a gun was readily available or him too let out his anger and hatred. ------------- |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:13pm
Healthy people do not do that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:22pm
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Thats whats wrong with people nowadays.
Owning a firearm doesn't give you the power of life and death. It is a tool you are to use to protect yourself only when your life is threatened, or the life of another is in danger. This is one reason I strongly think CCW style classes should be held for everyone who buys a firearm of any sort. People who are well adjusted mentally won't whip out their nine to sort things out wild west fassion. However, if said law abiding woman who was having a bad day knew that everyone else around her ALSO had a firearm, and she would be heavy enough to use as an anchor, would she still "snap"? Again, it isn't the FIREARMS fault she snaps. It is her own. This is the root. This is the cause of the problem. If she really snaps she can still drive into you with her car. There was a case of road rage here recently where som guy beat another driver to death with a hockey stick. No firearms involved there. Guns aren't the problem. People are. KBK |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:27pm
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I consider myself to be healthy. Though I have never undergone a psychiatric assessment, there has been a point in my life that I have wanted to shoot a person. One person bullied me alot during junior high. I seriously think that if my parents owned a gun, I would have stolen it and ended his life. It scares me when I think back about how desperate I was. Now I have the satisfaction of knowing that his best hopes in life are in the field of janitorial work. ------------- |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:31pm
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Then you need some help, if thinking of ending a persons life over being bullied is the solution to your problems, your in trouble. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:36pm
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Professional help.
There is nothing in the world that requires the ending of a life, short of protecting your own, or another's life. A decent family support network would help people get through things. KBK |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:42pm
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I was very angry at the time. I realize how simple the problem could have been solved. Just telling someone would have made it stop. A teacher, my parents, the principle? At the time I was young and scared to talk. He would hit me in the arm to the point of almost no feeling. If I attempted to hit back, he would just punch harder. I wanted a way to punch him back and make him stop. I think people have a mis-conception over what bulliing is. It makes you feel small inside. One person is locking you away. He would call me names, I'd usually come up with an elaborate remark about his mother and he'd just hit me. When he did it, I would have done anything to make it stop. Anything. This isn't easy **edited** to talk about. Most of this I have repressed and never have told anyone. What better way than to vent over the net? ------------- |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:43pm
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Too bad books aren't good American phallic symbols. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:56pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:59pm
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I know exactly what bullying is. Been there had it done to me as well.
Never shot anyone over it. My personal view was a little ribbing buy the jocks was ok, but if it got to the stages you are talking about I'd go tell the principal. Not because I'm a wuss, but because the next time he does it I'll break his nose. You can always reply with the same level of force that your attacker is using on you. This is an argument that will stand up in court, and in school. Especially if you have already told the principal you are being bullied. It also doesn't end anyone's life. Bullies can always stand to learn that they can only go so far. Even had to do it once. However, didn't your parents ever teach you "sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can never harm you"? Say what you want about me. It doesn't stick. Thats the key. Don't let it stick. So long as you realise that its ok to be you, what other people say doesn't matter. This is even more important now that I do actually carry a firearm, both on duty and off. If you aren't willing to back down from a fight, walk away from an insult, or generally let the world wash over you without affecting you, then you shouldn't carry a firearm. With propper training and respect for firearms you realise they only clear leather when lives are in danger. KBK |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:03pm
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Well, since no one wants to get rid of the guns, lets get rid of the people! (note that wasn't a serious statment, im just trying to get the point across that the only thing we really can do is get rid of the guns) I mean, sure, guns will get out and people will use them, but if tthere is a law stating guns are only allowed to be used by government officials and people seving the U.S. military, then we could solve the problem...of course, there would still be the guns out there still on the street. But eventually something would happen to them and there wouldn't be any replacement for them... I could be talking out of my ass here, but what is the point in someone owning a frickin uzi? You don't go hunting with it, and you can just as easily kill an intruder with a frickin hunting rifle or shotgun as with an uzi...i just don't see the point/purpose out of selling guns made to kill people to civilians...it just doesn't work. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:03pm
The problem with your argument is that you assume they will be "ill-trained". |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:06pm
This is one time where I really can't disagree with anything you have to say....good points. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:09pm
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Sorry to see at people were killed/injured. It happens.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:10pm
That's why guns aren't legal for kids to own, and the adults in charge of any gun should have it somewhere safe at all times anyways. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:12pm
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"However, if said law abiding woman who was having a bad day knew that everyone else around her ALSO had a firearm, and she would be heavy enough to use as an anchor, would she still "snap"? "
^^EXACTLY!!!! |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:12pm
Ok, so what's the point of owning a fast car? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:13pm
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Actually a hunting rifle is a very poor anti intruder weapon.
A fully automatic Uzi also has very little defence value. However, a semi automatic shoulder fired weapon is a much superior weapon than a pistol. Not only is it more more accurate for a couple of reasons, it also makes a better blunt weapons if TSRHTF. Shoulder fired weapons point easier for better quick target aquisition, they are heavier so recoil less, they are further controlled by the stock. This means they are more accurate for mulitple shots, safer both for by standers and for yourself. Full auto weapons are also a skill in themselves when it comes to sport shooting. It is quite hard to master it properly. Then there is the whole thing that no registered civilian full auto weapons have ever been used in a crime in the USA. KBK |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:19pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:21pm
Actually the purpose of any fiream is to accurately launch a high velocity projectile. It isn't made to kill anyone. That is what people USE them for. Again, people not the firearm are the problem. KBK |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:25pm
| ^I would somewhat disagree there. I mean, we can beat around the bush all we want, but a gun's main purpose is a killing tool. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:26pm
| I don't think they invented the first firearm with the intention of punching holes in paper from a long ways away. |