World destruction
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Topic: World destruction
Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Subject: World destruction
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 9:58am
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In history we are talking the cold war and nuclear war and blah blah blah...So i was thinking about why there is such a threat of a nuclear attack or war. Im sure most of you have heard of M.A.D (mutual assured destruction) and with Non-Nato countries to even think about attacking the U.S or one of our allies would probaly be one of the most idotic things in history. Considering they would have nothing to gain. North Korea has about 4 or 5 nukes, to where the U.S has probaly a hundred or so ( just an estimate not sure on actual #'s) not to mention the countless others that would be shot towards N. Korea from our allies. Even with Russia or China even, they both have a good number of nukes themselves yet, they would have to spread them out over a few different countries, where as they would have 10 o**edited**ries firing at 2 countries, so to me nuclear war is still a possibility but a minute one, it doesnt make any sense to me and neither side would have anything to gain. Sorry this is a pointless post but needed somewhere to rant? thanks and if you have any thoughts please add them... ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:08am
| if a small country like north korea fired nukes at us the would probably be seen by Norad and shot down in some form or another (the airforse has a set of modified 747 with some kind of freakin think that like burn a hole in fuel hold of missilies) and seeing as we know the affect a nuke would have on the world and neighborring countries in general and would defeinatly have the support of our allies we would probably have over 1 million (including allies) troop in there with a week or 2 and that would probably take care of that wonderful section of the world. |
Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:38am
| War is always a possibility. One fanatic with enough money and away we go. Assama Bin Laden has enough money to get nukes if they become available. Russia has lots of weapons that are relatively unsecure after the fall of the Soviet Union. I think it's alot more likely to happen than most people want to admit. Our gov. is spending billions to try and secure all the russian weapons. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:52am
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Ha... 100 nukes? We have many thousands...
And the thing that scares us is nukes in the hands of someone who doesn't think rationally. A rational person will come to the same conclusion as you... An irrational one will just say "screw it" and fire away. ------------- 
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Posted By: whoknowswho
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:56am
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Exactly. I'm not worried about national leaders, it is the people who don't care about their own lives. Suicide bombers aren't that hard to find. |
Bunkered wrote:Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:58am
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Yeah, I heard a quote once that was something like this: I don't fear the man who wants a thousand nuclear weapons. I fear the man who wants one. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:32am
That 747 is not mission ready nor is it circeling at all times. I bet it would be taken down by another missle, then, we wouldnt fire a nuke back. Just a hunch, either we wouldnt fire a nuke, or just kill Kim Jung Il ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:43am
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The likely hood of any nuclear weapon actually hitting US soil is realitively small. On top of that not to many groups are dull enough to just outright attack us. What is more likely is something of domestic sorts or has anyone read the book "SUM OF ALL FEARS" that is the kind of situation that might happen. The US is currently trying to scale down its shear numbers of nuclear weapons after the cold war. Russia, er, um yeah. After the fall of the SovietUnion many things went missing and there is no telling how many unaccounted for weapons there currently are out there. On that note though you can also look at something like russia's nuclear subs. So many of them failed and sank of the coast of siberia in the pacific and arctic. Its not even funny how much nuclear waste there is. If you stood on the coast at night you could probably see a green glow eminating from the waters.
Also a nuclear war after one nuclear attack is a little unlikely. Why would the US (and NATO) ruin the earth with vast clouds of radiation? They may just launch attacks of other sorts to destroy the problem (if it were identifiable) If it were a country just blow it to hell with MOAB's or something. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:45am
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The number of warheads a country has doesnt really matter. The United States has enough Nukes to blow the world up over 10 times. Obvously they are useless after we blow the world up once. ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:50am
That was back in the late 80's now its more like we have enough fire power to blow up the World 35-times.  ------------- 
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:52am
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I couldnt remember the number but you still get the idea ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 11:59am
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 12:00pm
The first metal gear solid was about this. If you know what to look for, in all of Hideo Kojimas games, there is a message, in the metal gear solid:solid snake and twin snakes, it was largely about nuclear proliferation. Thats why i like that game so much. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 12:05pm
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I'm guessing its all for defense.
It's crazy to think that it takes only one button to destroy everything. This is why humans are ruining the world. ------------- 
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 12:08pm
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oh well, the Cold war may begin soon, in around 20yrs or so... Putin
has just pushed the Kremlin to Communism, he only allows the same party
of government style as he is, He mostly makes all the Descisions, ans
just uses the kremlin like his only little puppet show... So... if
another one of putins kind is "elected"(if they do actually hold a true
democratic election) president, then... we may have problems... Pretty much all Russia has to do is Raise the Red Star one morning, and its back to the Cold War, right now the Soilders in the Military all still salute the Red Star, and they still see it as a Symbol of there power, its just they dont have the old Satalite nations like they did before... /end of my Theory. -------------
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Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 1:30pm
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Quick get under your desks...The thin wood and metal bars will protect us!!! ------------- [IMG]http://www.zmachars.com/emb%20patches/The-Used-Logo_P-752_small.jpg"> |
Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 2:52pm
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The number of nukes the US has has been scalled down we still have a good number but many have been destroyed and dismantled and that is still currently going on. As to date all the money bush has put into missile defense hasnt proved itself to defend our country if there were an attack. and right now the US is chomping at the bit wondering whats going to happen with castro once he dies, everyone thinks his brother will take over and if he does what is he going to do, not that they are a big threat or anything by after their involvement during the cold war it could be interesrting. Espcially after the promise we made with the former USSR, about staying out of Cuba and removing our missiles from turkey which still stands today. O and N. Korea's leader Ol'jimmy boy just handed out ALOT of pamphlets telling its citizens that the U.S is planning a nuclear attack and in the event of the attack to first save STATUES of him... wow thats crazy just goes to show that even national leaders are a lil whack too. ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 6:27pm
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well, if you're interested in this kind of thing, read "alas, babylon" Its a really great book and it really shows what it would be like if nuclear war really did happen...at least nuclear war with russia...lets pray to god that never happens. I'm totally against nuclear weaponry...but its sad because we can't dismantle cause if we do, then all those countries that have nukes and hate us won't be thinking twice before they hit the big red button if you know what i mean... ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 6:32pm
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for the record,(even though i doubt the government abides by it) after
WWII we agreed with Japan that neither country could have more than I
believe 3,600 nuclear weapons. And for those skeptics that think we
have to rely on the 747 with the high-intensity laser, your wrong.
About a year ago we finished the Patriot air-to-ground defense
missle. It hits Mach 6 and can intercept with a target across the
Atlantic(or Pacific) Ocean. BTW, if anyone else has no life, we designed it while working with Israel. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:12pm
LGM-118A Peacekeeper intercontinental ballistic missile
Those missiles can't even catch this things smoke... |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:15pm
what scares me is ppl finding OUR supply and using it against us ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:16pm
Are you kidding me? We don't exactly leave them lying around... |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:22pm
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yeah, really...its not like we have them buried under the Smith's dog house or anything...i mean...the frickin pope with an army of angry, red-neck fanatics couldn't get a nuke if they wanted to...i mean...seriously. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:26pm
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okay, wait...so you're saying that we have a missle that can travel 20 times the speed of sound that can knock out a nuclear missle, right? The one thing im worried about is the explosion. There are way to many things that could go wrong there, for example, um...FALLOUT! I mean, there would still be the nuclear explosion, no? If there were a nuclear explosion, then that would mean there would be fallout. And wherever that fallout goes, you know there is going to be huge problems. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:32pm
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You got them backwards I think; the patriot is the interceptor, the
peacekeeper is, ironically enough, the offensive nuke. What I was
saying is that the patriot, unless some painfully accurate math is
involved (3000 miles of ocean, 60 feet of fast missile...) , has no
hope of catching a nuke. edit: the patriot is meant to detonate/disarm/make safe the nuke while it is still well into the atmosphere, I think...? |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 7:49pm
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I think one of the biggest fears isn't attack on us (although that's definitely scary) but attack on a heavily populated country like, say, anything in SE Asia. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 8:41pm
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Communism isnt bad in truth communism was desgined to create a perfect government were everyone was equal and everyone had there needs.It was the people who became power hungry and corrupt ie hitler he started out as a very ingenious man with some of his ideas and works Voltswagon for example he was just overwelmed with the power he had at his fingertips. ------------- 95 base neon 3.0 cai, knifedged crankshaft 60 mill throttle body,14 crane cam crane springs/retainers eagle rods port matched/ polished intake p&p head shaved .015 phantom grip diff dohc exuast |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 8:41pm
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woah...that sucks... thanks for clarifying that for me. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 8:48pm
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i dont believe are defense missles blow up they use inertia to knock it out to prevent detonation ------------- 95 base neon 3.0 cai, knifedged crankshaft 60 mill throttle body,14 crane cam crane springs/retainers eagle rods port matched/ polished intake p&p head shaved .015 phantom grip diff dohc exuast |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 8:54pm
It really wouldn't have to catch it. It would be going at it head on, so it really just has to be fast enough to hit it before it hits the US ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:11pm
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Hitting a warhead with a missile wouldn't be enough to detonate it. Yes, the conventional explosives in it would explode, but a whole series of events has to happen for the plutonium core to detonate.
Of course, the warhead would have to be recovered ASAP or the plutonium could fall into the wrong hands.
The people guarding our nukes have the authority to shoot anyone in the area that shouldn't be there, even if they stumbled across it by accident, without warning. |
Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:16pm
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Communism isnt bad in truth communism was desgined to create a perfect government were everyone was equal and everyone had there needs.It was the people who became power hungry and corrupt ie hitler he started out as a very ingenious man with some of his ideas and works Voltswagon for example he was just overwelmed with the power he had at his fingertips. [/QUOTE]Yes, communism is a great idea, as long as it stays as an idea. I cant think of one country where communism has worked where everyone is happy. In communism everyone is the same socially, but why should the guy that has the hard working 50 hours a week job, get paid as much as the guy who works at the ticket booth 10 hours a week? someone is going to get very angry in that deal. Also everyone has the same products, there is no competition and the general quality is crap, i cant see in one way where communism is a good idea once its actually implemented... why do you think soo many cubans tried to flee and still do? same thing after WWII when there was east Berlin and Wesnt Berlin and all the east berliners tried to escape to west berlin for better paying jobs.. causing the building of the Berlin wall.. yea communism is great... ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:19pm
The people guarding our nukes have the authority to shoot anyone in the area that shouldn't be there, even if they stumbled across it by accident, without warning.[/QUOTE] True, but the nukes here on the ground would be ok during an attack unless they were armed.. like the one guy said theres alot of things that need to happen before the actually nuclear explosion which doesnt happen until the nuke is armed.. so nuclear sites can be taken out by bombing and still be safe, as long as they arnt armed. ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:21pm
| peace keeper missile also have a shotgun type affect. they dont hit a traget. they get as close as they can and explode in all directions. so incoming missile will meet it coming in the direction going at mach 20 then if the patriot detonated another 600 or 700(i dotn no just random number i prolly am wrong with correct distance) feet ahead of the incoming icbm the explosion would have an affect on the missile. plus we probably also have soem other missile defence hasnt the government has not yet realesed knowledge of to the public |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:22pm
Yes, communism is a great idea, as long as it stays as an idea. I cant think of one country where communism has worked where everyone is happy. In communism everyone is the same socially, but why should the guy that has the hard working 50 hours a week job, get paid as much as the guy who works at the ticket booth 10 hours a week? someone is going to get very angry in that deal. Also everyone has the same products, there is no competition and the general quality is crap, i cant see in one way where communism is a good idea once its actually implemented... why do you think soo many cubans tried to flee and still do? same thing after WWII when there was east Berlin and Wesnt Berlin and all the east berliners tried to escape to west berlin for better paying jobs.. causing the building of the Berlin wall.. yea communism is great...[/QUOTE] Well the fact is that in some countries communism is the only political system that will work. Lokk at china. If you tried to put a democracy in there it would turn into anarchy and we all know how anarcy goes. |
Posted By: Alienbow13
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:39pm
If I recall the peacekeeper has multiple warheads as in they can hit more then one target. Also the best way for a weapon to hit a incoming icbm would be for it to hit it on its wy back into the atmosphere. This would be predictable after the launch of the icbm. I dont know if this is correct but this is what I thought to be correct. Chad ------------- One step I leave an imprint, Two steps is commitment |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 1:13am
OH NOES, TEH BUSH ES NUKES TEH WORLD!!!11111 BAD CONSERVATIVES BAD, THEY BLEW US UP!!!!111 P.S - The estimated power was enough to blow the Earth up 7 times, not 35. Nowadays its much less. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 1:18am
It wouldn't fly after it, it would fly on a crossing path. Basically deterrence, (I think that's the right word). We make more, scare other guy, they make more, scare us, we make more...etc. ------------- |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 7:52am
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To your average philosipher, Communism works, in theory anyway. The problem is, however, it will not work for the human race. Well, most of us anyway. The main problem, being with people, is we are far too greedy, power hungry, fraudlient, and deceptive to allow a classless government system to run properly. In short, we're (the human race) just far too... human.. to let ANYTHING work properly.
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 8:35am
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dangit i meant the patriot has has the shotgun type affect. if doesnt hit its traget it explodes next to or near it. my bad |