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Topic: bt-16?
Posted By: RavensReturn
Subject: bt-16?
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 8:24pm
i just went to http://www.bentippmann.com - www.bentippmann.com amd seen this marker thats made to look like a m-16 obviously...im just wondering how good it is or if anyone knows?



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Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 8:31pm
try pbreview and fill us in.

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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 8:34pm

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3249/ - http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3249/

check it out



Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 8:35pm
i think its a waste, IMO i think ben tippmann is just to make thing looks cool, i wouldn't recondment it, its just plastic that looks good


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 9:53pm

I've had the chance to handle one of them.  The internals are very similar to a 98 or A5 so they should be durable.  A lot of thought went into the M16 kit.  When you screw the barrel on (which seems to have model 98 threads) the front sight lines up perfectly from the factory.  This is impressive b/c the aftermarket kits I've seen always require adjustment.  The only mil-sim markers I've seen that looks better are the Arikon series.  I'm not counting the AT series markers because I'd rather have 200 rounds in a hopper than 25-85 in a magizine/foregrip.  My one gripe with it (and the reason I won't get one) is that it is vertical feed.  What good is a mil-sim M16 peep sight system when the feed neck sits right in the middle of it?  Also the carrying handle does not have the rail mounting hole that allows the installation of other sights on top of it. 

BT does have outstanding customer service.  I know someone who broke their front handle and it was replaced free of charge with a better one.

Edited Note:  I forgot to mention above; I've seen all three versions, but only messed around with the M16 style one.  One other thing I didn't like was the trigger.  It wasn't as crisp as the 98 or A5; it reminded me of the trigger on the Bruiser SOB I used to have.



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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 9:54pm

actuly...i just now noticed something about it...its nothing more then a a-5 without a cyclone feed and a modified body to make it look like a m-16...look really close at it and the a-5.

thats the striped down version.

theres the a-5

notice the handle style(the pins)...where the air source goes in, the barrel placement...the top cocking is on the same level as the side fron cocking as the a-5.

so wouldnt it be justified to say that it would be just as good as a-5 for people who dont like the whole mp-5 look and prefer to have the m-16 look?

 

edit: you beat me to it >.<   lol...well i gave pictures for people to see



Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 10:11pm
you could probly put an e-grip on it...


Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 2:47am
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

I've had the chance to handle one of them.  The internals are very similar to a 98 or A5 so they should be durable.  A lot of thought went into the M16 kit.  When you screw the barrel on (which seems to have model 98 threads) the front sight lines up perfectly from the factory.  This is impressive b/c the aftermarket kits I've seen always require adjustment.  The only mil-sim markers I've seen that looks better are the Arikon series.  I'm not counting the AT series markers because I'd rather have 200 rounds in a hopper than 25-85 in a magizine/foregrip.  My one gripe with it (and the reason I won't get one) is that it is vertical feed.  What good is a mil-sim M16 peep sight system when the feed neck sits right in the middle of it?  Also the carrying handle does not have the rail mounting hole that allows the installation of other sights on top of it. 

BT does have outstanding customer service.  I know someone who broke their front handle and it was replaced free of charge with a better one.

Edited Note:  I forgot to mention above; I've seen all three versions, but only messed around with the M16 style one.  One other thing I didn't like was the trigger.  It wasn't as crisp as the 98 or A5; it reminded me of the trigger on the Bruiser SOB I used to have.

Oustanding Customer Service my rear end!!!....I sent them several emails (last year when it first came out) concerning its performance and what upgrades can be applied to the BT-16, till this day I still havent recieved a response to my questions.

 



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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 11:02am

mabye they dont like q and a? lol

 

hey...how long do you think the barrel on the one in my sig is? like...18?



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Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 3:34pm
Anything made by Ben has to be good.

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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 4:59pm

Originally posted by RavensReturn RavensReturn wrote:

you could probly put an e-grip on it...

No you cant. Its a cross between a 98 and an A-5.

There are some huge differences between the BT and the A-5.

Duh, or else they couldnt sell it. lol.



Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 5:06pm

I've handled one at a local shop.  It looks like a very nice marker... a blend of a 98c and an A5...  It has 98c barrel threads, so there are lots of good barrel upgrades for it.  I really like the rear cocking lever on the one I handled.  I believe it field strips like an A5.  It is a little lighter than an A5 I think, but not as light as a 98c.  I don't agree with what people are saying about the plastic parts and poor quality... it seems like a very good quality product.  The hopper receiver is the clamping type... I don't love the vert. center feed... 

I've heard Ben Tippmann is being sued by the Tippmann Co.  I'd be a little wary of buying this product and not having good support after the suit is over.



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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Xspyderman Xspyderman wrote:

I've handled one at a local shop.  It looks like a very nice marker... a blend of a 98c and an A5...  It has 98c barrel threads, so there are lots of good barrel upgrades for it.  I really like the rear cocking lever on the one I handled.  I believe it field strips like an A5.  It is a little lighter than an A5 I think, but not as light as a 98c.  I don't agree with what people are saying about the plastic parts and poor quality... it seems like a very good quality product.  The hopper receiver is the clamping type... I don't love the vert. center feed... 

I've heard Ben Tippmann is being sued by the Tippmann Co.  I'd be a little wary of buying this product and not having good support after the suit is over.

why?...dude...i think if i was dennis...i would step in and say something to the people who own tippmann now...because comon, its his son...dont you think that gives him a little bit of a right to make some cool styles of tippmanns markers? i think it does...who else agrees with me?



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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 7:30pm
Ben Tippmann is not the son of Dennis Tippmann Sr., Dennis Tippmann son's name is Dennis Tippmann Jr., Ben Tippmann is related to the Tippmann Family but, the company is not affiliated wit Tippmann Pneumatics....got the info directly from Tippmann Pnuematics.

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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 7:49pm
errrrrr...well its still messed up...

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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 8:02pm
I'm trying to be open-minded, but what does it have over a M98C? Vert feed?

And people have the nerve to say the A5's overpriced.


Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 8:23pm

Originally posted by Zesty Zesty wrote:

I'm trying to be open-minded, but what does it have over a M98C? Vert feed?

And people have the nerve to say the A5's overpriced.

it has a better look then a 98 custom for one...and fits the whole m-16 look better...

and whats the coment about the prices mean?...the full setup of the bt-16 is $300...thats not over priced...thats about the same as putting the same kit on a 98 custom...



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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 8:41pm
If you really want an M16 milsim get the 98c, installing M4/M16 parts to an 98c is alot easier to mod and creates less clutter and I would rather turn the A5 into any of the HK models....so, show me a real M4/M16 with a grip and rear sight like that seen on a A5 and compare that to the 98c.

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Posted By: RavensReturn
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 8:59pm

well you will really have a hard time making a gun look exactly like the real thing unless you alter the preformance...the bt-16, in my best guess, was made with a-5 internals but 98c barrel thred and a 98c rear...and yes...it does have a better m-16 milsim look then the milsim setups on the a-5 of a 98c...and im gona turn a a-5 into someting almost like whats on my sig...but a difrent stock and barrel...and not camo...

edit: rum is bad for you...it makes you make lots of typos...



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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by RavensReturn RavensReturn wrote:

well you will really have a hard time making a gun look exactly like the real thing unless you alter the preformance...the bt-16, in my best guess, was made with a-5 internals but 98c barrel thred and a 98c rear...and yes...it does have a better m-16 milsim look then the milsim setups on the a-5 of a 98c...and im gona turn a a-5 into someting almost like whats on my sig...but a difrent stock and barrel...and not camo...

edit: rum is bad for you...it makes you make lots of typos...

I wouldnt say its going to be hard to make it look like the real deal (there are those who are able to make one to look like the real deal, for instance http://www.Rap4.com - www.Rap4.com ), we're only discussing the cosmetics of the gun and as for the BT-16 having the same internals as the A5...I dont think so and if it is so, then Tippmann Pnuematics has the basis of a law suit against Ben Tippmann for copying a patent.



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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 10:59pm
I know someone that has bought the M16 styled gun from BenTippmann and I asked about it and the exact words that he said were, "The gun isn't worth the money, get a Tippmann, there more reliable." Well, lucky for me I already had a 98 Custom with a Flatline, R/T and Halo B. I wasn't going to blow the money on another gun just for looks when I have a very reliable gun already in my hands.


Posted By: ump107
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 11:30pm

I have the BT-16 barrel kit, the BT- fixed sight rail, and the BT folding stock on my 98C. All together they make the marker look pretty cool.

 

BT – fixed sight rail my only complaint about the fixed sight rail is it isn’t set up for mounting anything to it, I play woods ball and I would like to add a Red Dot Sight. I know the consistency in accuracy isn’t really there on paintball markers but it would help when firing initial rounds.

 

The BT-16 barrel looks good on the 98C however it is a large bore barrel. I have fired about 1,000 rounds through mine and I would say it is pretty comparable in accuracy to my J&J Ceramic. It seemed pretty forgiving on barrel breaks too; I had one ball break in the barrel (older paint) and was still able to get out an opponent before I squeegeed the barrel.

 

The folding stock is good. You need to use a strap wrench to get the nut tight against the rear of the marker but after it is on good and tight mine doesn’t move. It is solidly made and the length is adjustable. There is no rattle like is in some of the collapsible stocks. If you don’t want to use a remote the stock can be used with a 20 oz Co2 mounted to the ASA on the marker.

 

All that said it depends on what you like, I cannot comment on the BT-16 marker, as I do not have one. But after buying the aftermarket parts for my 98C I am happy with what I have it.



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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 9:14am
Originally posted by RavensReturn RavensReturn wrote:

Originally posted by Zesty Zesty wrote:

I'm trying to be open-minded, but what does it have over a M98C? Vert feed? And people have the nerve to say the A5's overpriced.


it has a better look then a 98 custom for one...and fits the whole m-16 look better...


and whats the coment about the prices mean?...the full setup of the bt-16 is $300...thats not over priced...thats about the same as putting the same kit on a 98 custom...



Put it this way, how much is that gun gonna cost you once you put a nice hopper on there? That's an extra $70 right there that is included with the A5.

I'm not saying it dosn't look realistic, I'm talking about performance.

Looks are good, but I'll take performance over appearance anyday.

That's why you could just buy an A5 and have both!

I'm not the biggest Flatline fan by any means, but I would rather slap a Flatline on my A5 again rather than buying that $120 M4 replica deal...but that's just me.


Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 9:19am
I can setup an A5E-Grip for the cost of that M16 wannabe + hopper.

I'd rather rip on some dudes at 15bps using a mouse-click trigger with all sorts of modes and have the ability to change from electro to mech in minutes instead of looking like a real-life soldier.

I like realistic looks, but unlike BT's guns, Tippmann makes the realistic looks the last selling point to the A5, wgereas that's really all I see on BT's site.

If you are all about mil-sim and want something different, BT's guns look cool.

But if you want the best gun for your hard-earned money, stick with the original Tippamnn.



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