Soldier guilty of "mercy" murder
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Topic: Soldier guilty of "mercy" murder
Posted By: goodsmitty
Subject: Soldier guilty of "mercy" murder
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:14pm
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US captain guilty of Iraq killing
A military court has found a US army captain guilty of killing a wounded Iraqi man in central Iraq last year.
Capt Rogelio Maynulet, 30, said he shot the man, who had been wounded in a clash with US soldiers, in order to end his suffering. The court based in Wiesbaden, Germany, found Maynulet guilty of assault with intent to commit manslaughter. The panel will later discuss a sentence for the charge, which carries a maximum of 10 years in prison. Maynulet 'played God' The prosecution had pressed for a conviction on the more serious charge of assault with intent to commit murder, which can carry a 20-year jail sentence. Karim Hassan, 36, was killed on 21 May last year near the central Iraqi town of Kufa.
US troops fired at a vehicle they thought was carrying militants linked to the radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr. The hearing was told that the car's passenger was killed immediately, while the driver was badly injured. Lt Colin Cremin testified that Maynulet and others in his unit had described the incident to him, saying the driver "had half his brain hanging out, there was nothing more that could be done for him". In closing remarks on Thursday, the prosecution had said Maynulet had "played God" when he shot the man. "This combat-trained life saver prescribed two bullets. He didn't call his superiors for guidance, didn't consult with his medic," Maj John Rothwell said. Maynulet currently remains with the Wiesbaden unit but he was suspended from command on 25 May last year. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4397 833.stm ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:25pm
| That's an interesting story, I'll try to read more about it and get back to you. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:26pm
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No easy answers in life... :( |
Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:27pm
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I wouldn't cal it murder. It probably would have been better to consult with a medic though. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:28pm
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He was an enemy combatant, shot in a skirmish, this medic saw that there was no hope for this person, so he shot him. I dont really see a problem. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: paintballman_13
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:31pm
| Well according to the US mercy killing is bad. Cough Schiavo cough |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:32pm
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This will be funny when people start saying this guy deserves to die...but Terry Shaivo didn't....good timig Smitty. He was driving and suspected of being a militant, I don't see anywhere that he was shooting at the soliders. If he was a lost cause then I wouldn't expect the medic's to try to save him; however, many right wingers might be apt to say that he should die when Terry shouldn't have. |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:32pm
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BINGO! ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
paintballman_13 wrote:Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:39pm
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Yes but he might not have stopped at a checkpoint which the military takes VERY seriously. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:40pm
I dont think you will find a single one that will say that. I am against the killing of this man. I dont care who did it or who died, it should have been left to the medics, and if he was hopeless they shouldnt have killed him but rather done all they could to make him comfertable. This in NO means is releated to the Schiovo case. The whole mess there was not knowing if she wanted to die or not. In this case the victim could state his wishes, however once again, it was not the place of the soldier to kill him. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:47pm
| Well we still do not know all the facts. The man possibly could have not been able to speak his last wishes, however I do agree with your points about who should and should not die. If incapacitated and found to be a lost cause, the best should be done to make him comfortable as he dies. |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:35am
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i think he should be let off cuz thats a stupid charge. ur suposed to kill the enemy, not save them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 4:13am
  
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 8:28am
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^^^ I like big bibles and I cannot lie!
Let me argue this for the right and save them some time: 1. It's a war, there shouldn't have been a trial in the first place. 2. Soldiers are trained to kill everything in sight. You cannot blame this man. 3. Or, my favorite, courtesy of Limbaugh: "It was just a soldier blowing off steam.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 9:18am
Rush really said that? It is sadly believable, but still... |
Posted By: slacker guy
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:02am
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:13am
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Why is it our duty to make sure an enemy is medicaly treated four wounds sustained while attacking us. The people we are fighting would show us no such quarter, or nothing close to hospitality. What they would do, is cut the head off the soldier while he is still living and parade his body in the street and show off his severed bloody head. As far as i am concerned this soldier was being nice when he shot him.
People want us to stop being "world police" we can stop right there and quit treating wounded men that sustain injuries while attacking our troops. Its not our job. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:13am
| Because we are better than them. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:16am
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I was watching that Schivo crap, and there was a protestor sign that read "This is how the Holocaust Started". HOW THE HELL IS THIS SIMILAR TO THE HOLOCAUST?! ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:23am
Because it is. But the two are completely unrelated, it was policy to "Euthanize" germans with severe brain damage or mental retardation. But the two subjects are apples and oranges. Dumb someone put the two in the same sentence. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:24am
Oh... I see... so thats why. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:32am
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Better as in would we would like the best outcome for mankind not just ourselves. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:44am
| I agree with Clark on that. We do not need to lower ourselves to them, it would make us equal and no longer the "good guys." We are better than them, and should prove it. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 11:49am
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I thoght they have a name for this. Triage. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:05pm
Triage is for medics, and you have the idea of how it works completely wrong anyway. A medic is trained to sort the wounded who he will treat into three groups: the fatally wounded, the curable but very bad, and those who require little attention. A triage is not supposed to be based off the soldiers' in question ranks. Then the medic will treat the wounded in an order according to the triage's categories. That's triage—not mercy killing by soldiers. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:13pm
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Hm. Either way, he was a combatant. He died. I dont care either way. Better off dead, if he was a prisoner, we would have to feed him. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:19pm
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So what if he was a combatant, he was a human first. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:22pm
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Please. He picked up a gun, got into that truck car or whatever prepared to die, and wanted to take out soldiers in the process. Getting into a fire fight during a war doing what he did, is like making a bet, then losing, then everyone complaining how we should have given his money back. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:25pm
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The only difference between this case and the Schiavo situation is that
one of the two had a chance of returning to a normal life.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 4:45pm
| Human first, he deserved medical treatment, the best we could offer. If we are to claim we are a better society and better country, we must show it. |