i have been looking for a gun for some time and i never figured to look at the spyder brand. however i was in the shop and saw a pilot. it has burst and full auto and i could walk the trigger and all that good stuff. i was wondering if it was a good gun overall though.

The Pilot is good. Don't listen to the people telling you that Spyders suck. They don't. I actually like my Imagine.

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I would suggest that you check out the forum for the Pilot on there to see what problems it has etc. I like the Fenix, but that's just me... And Spyders would be as durable as a Tippmann, but they're made out of aircraft-grade aluminum, not steel like the Tippmann.

my friend owns a pilot acs and it works fantastic, with an electronic hopper it works great, the stock barrels pretty acurate and it is capable of 20 BPS.

i really dont know why people think it sux, he hasn't had any problems with it at all ( besides going full auto with a standerd hopper and choping balls)

with an electronic hopper its great.

pluss tippmanns to other guns are like hummers to other cars their strong, durable, reliable and use a lot of gas

u cant say other guns suck just because their not as reliable as tippmanns.

Yeah, I haven't had my Spyder break down on me, but my Tippmann has lol... As for the rest, did you know that Tippmann Effect uses the Pilot?

If you wanted a response, then go with the 98 Custom with the Response Trigger. Just be sure to get an electronic hopper like a Revolution or Evolution or something like that, because I have had my Imagine outshot by a 98C with a Response Trigger...kind of embarassing...

PB MISFIT wrote: Get a Custom Pro. With a nice small price tag, durability/reliability of a tippmann, and electronic marker, what can go wrong?

"NICE SMALL PRICE TAG?!" It's more than my Tippmann and my Spyder put together! As I keep saying, the Tippmann is reliable and durable, but so is the Spyder. If you don't believe me, then go get a cheap @ss Victor and try it! 

Just went to the store last night and picked me up an A5 screw the pilot my A5 rocks. Although i hate the single trigger and the long trigger pull. I did look at the dead on blade trigger and was wondering if it has a lighter trigger pull like walkable plus will it work with the stock A5 no e-grip. finally i was wondering if the response is worth the 60 bucks, but if that blade trigger is walkable then i won't need it.

ok, i don't know why im bothering to put my opinion in, but hey, whatever.

spyders do in fact suck. they are the scum of the earth. they don't deserve to be made. my friend bought two e-99's and both of them broke within four trips to the paintball park. i also have another friend with a broken e-99, and two friends who sold their imagines because they broke so much(each owned one.) i've had my a-5 for two years under decent usage and never had one problem with it. after seeing what happened to my friends, i honestly just don't trust the spyder name... im sorry to the other people who do own them, but i would just like you to know that they'll probably break...

oh and my friend with two e-99s bought an a-5 and now loves it! it outperforms the spyders by miles.

i'm just saying this so you don't buy this gun and decide that you've wasted perfectly good money when you could've gotten much more bang for the buck.

A-5-killinya wrote: Just went to the store last night and picked me up an A5 screw the pilot my A5 rocks. Although i hate the single trigger and the long trigger pull. I did look at the dead on blade trigger and was wondering if it has a lighter trigger pull like walkable plus will it work with the stock A5 no e-grip. finally i was wondering if the response is worth the 60 bucks, but if that blade trigger is walkable then i won't need it.

Glad u went with an A-5, if u have or willing to save up the money, get an E-Grip with a JCS duel trigger, u wont regret it, its without a doubt the best fire power upgrade for your A-5

The JCS Duel trigger allows you to set the pull incredibly short, so instead of flopping your fingers around, you can almost quiver them to shoot (reaching the 15 bps cap- the usual bps limit in tourneys).

The blade trigger will work stock, just not the JCS.

Spyders are crap. The outer shell holds up fine, as long as you don't count the threading for the screws. Tippmann is not steel, it is die-cast aluminum. The internal design and internal materials is the main folly. The design is meant to be an easily mass-produced universal internals so they can manufacture at low cost and sell at a "competitive" price to make the greatest amount of profit. I guarantee Kingman can sell their guns at 50% retail price and still turn a nice profit. They could even stop selling spyders and still turn in profit (spyder clones). There are a few Tippmann clones coming out (BT) but they are just riding the wave of success Tippmann launched with its A-5 (i.e. confusing people to think they're stuff is as good and turning up quick profit). Spyders are pretty much crap. They are basically Brass Eagles with a hair more quality control.

Sure, you can keep any gun running fine. If you run and clean it between every three games and constantly oil it and maintenance it every time you use it, you could keep a Model T running fine. BUT, oil doesn't stop the wear on the brittle parts, and they will break.