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Topic: If you like Rock’N’Roll, your going to...
Posted By: Hades
Subject: If you like Rock’N’Roll, your going to...
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 12:30pm
...burn in Hell!!! According to the new Pope

A while back someone posted listened to Christian rock groups and I heard rumours that Ratzinger is a declared enemy of rock music, and denounced many of the most important musicians as satanic or whatever in a mass in 1996, so I googled for that and found the following news item:

Originally posted by wrote:


Rock 'n roll contains "subliminal" evil influences and is repleat with "diabolical and satanic messages" according to a leading official of the Roman Catholic Church. Cardinal [now pope] Joseph Ratzinger made the remarks at a mass in Rome commemorating the feast of St. Cecilia, the patron saint of music. Ratzinger is Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the modern-day version of the Office of the Holy Inquisition; the London Times describes the Cardinal as "the highest moral authority in the Vatican after the Pope. His stern admonishment and even excommunication of dissident theologians has earned him a fearsome reputation." ... Cardinal Ratzinger's pronouncement on the evils of contemporary pop music underscore the reactionary, even frightening stand the church maintains on other issues including the role of women, **edited** rights, abortion and censorship. The Cardinal warned that heavy metal music was particularly offensive, and branded rock n' roll an "instrument of the Devil" which young people should avoid listening to "for fear of endangering their souls (London Times)." He singled out musical groups, including Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Eagles and, of course, the Rolling Stones. He also called on members of heavy metal bands to "purify themselves."

Although Ratzinger evinced a surprising repertoire of music, The Times notes that Vatican officials have listed as "worst offenders" Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, and the group AC/DC. The Times noted that church leaders claim that the latter initials "referred not to alternating current or even bisexuality, but to the satanic phrase "Antichrist, Death to Christ."


Hadn't heard that one before...they're sure getting more creative these days...haha. Reminds one of the Simpsons episode where Bart is informed of a Christian rock concert, and he huffs, “Everybody knows that all the best bands are affiliated with Satan.”

Originally posted by www.christianitytoday.com: www.christianitytoday.com: wrote:

In an essay on liturgy, Roman Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, our new pope (sic), called rock music "an expression of base passions which, in large musical gatherings, assumes cult characteristics or even becomes a counter-cult opposed to Christianity." Such music, he says, seeks to falsely "liberate man through a phenomenon of mass, underpinned by rhythm, noise and lighting effects." Pop music, meanwhile, creates "an industrially-produced … cult of banality." And even opera has "eaten away at the sacred" in the last century.


Originally posted by random source random source wrote:


Ratzinger wrote that rock “has become the decisive vehicle of a counter-religion. ... Rock music is completely antithetical to the Christian concept of redemption and freedom, indeed its exact opposite.”


There is going to be one hell of a party in Hell, hope to see you there.



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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 12:33pm
another reason why i'm not catholic

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 12:34pm
Ratzinger can suck my genitalia.

How dare he player hate on Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd never went around commiting genocide.


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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 12:52pm
I choose to burn.

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 12:58pm
Good thing i listen to rap. Rap is now the music of god.


Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:03pm
If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:04pm
^ he left them though...

How do we even know there is a Hell?


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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.


Did you not notice my post?


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sporx wrote:
well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Did you not notice my post?


As a matter of fact I didn't.
But even if I had, it's not completely clear that you're alluding to the fact
that he was a dirty filthy Nazi racist.

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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:10pm
um if you lived in germany and decided to not be a Nazi you usually ceased to exist...


Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.

He was in the hiltler youth but not the nazi party

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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by Strife_17 Strife_17 wrote:

um if you lived in germany and decided to not be a
Nazi you usually ceased to exist...


That's absolutely right.
I'm just not a big fan of the Catholic church right now, so I'll take
whatever shots I can get.

(and who's to say that he joined just to save his own neck, hm?)

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Posted By: CHiKUN PiMP
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:11pm
Wait, prod, where did you read this? because I looked that up and it said he wasn't a member of the nazi party, but was drafted into the army. Could this be a revision of history?

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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

He was in the hiltler youth but not the nazi party


Dag, yo.
I just got served.

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Posted By: B_Wet A-5
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:13pm
its not liek the pope is the president of the USA so whateer he thinks most likley means nothing to most ppl

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.

He was in the hiltler youth but not the nazi party


Exactly.

Calling Ratzinger a nazi, is like calling a Vietnam(sp) Veteran a baby killer because he was drafted.


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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by B_Wet A-5 B_Wet A-5 wrote:

its not liek the pope is the president of the USA so
whateer he thinks most likley means nothing to most ppl


Totally.
Because the American president is the only person in the world who
influences people.


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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

Calling Ratzinger a nazi, is like calling a
Vietnam(sp) Veteran a baby killer because he was drafted.


Everyone knows that all the U.S soldiers in Vietnam were, in fact,
Baby killers.

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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

Calling Ratzinger a nazi, is like calling a
Vietnam(sp) Veteran a baby killer because he was drafted.


Everyone knows that all the U.S soldiers in Vietnam were, in fact,
Baby killers.
you are the smartest person i have seen in my entire life. wow im sure you could go on fore hours about your philosopy about how every group of people on earth suck.


Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:21pm
I would venture to say that the pope has more influnce than the president of the United States does.

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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:21pm

idk what to say well 4get him i love my music



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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:24pm

Once again proving just how much better a pope John Paul II was.

This world needed another progressive thinker.



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Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:


Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.
He was in the hiltler youth but not the nazi party

Exactly.

Calling Ratzinger a nazi, is like calling a Vietnam(sp) Veteran a baby killer because he was drafted.


But neither is as stupid as saying that just because someone was drafted they are free from all sins. If a soldier slaghters kids in the jungle, does it matter how he got there?


Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Strife_17 Strife_17 wrote:

you are the smartest person i have seen in my entire
life. wow im sure you could go on fore hours about your philosopy about
how every group of people on earth suck.


Says the Jew-hating baby-killer.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Dazed Dazed wrote:

Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:


Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

If you like Jews you're also going to hell.
Ratzinger was a member of the Nazi party during WWII.
He was in the hiltler youth but not the nazi party

Exactly.

Calling Ratzinger a nazi, is like calling a Vietnam(sp) Veteran a baby killer because he was drafted.



But neither is as stupid as saying that just because someone was drafted they are free from all sins. If a soldier slaghters kids in the jungle, does it matter how he got there?

ZOmG U H8 TEH TROOPS!!

Y DON U JUST MOVE TO FRANCE!11!!!!!



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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 2:33pm
Looks like i'm going to hell.

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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by MetallicaESPa5 MetallicaESPa5 wrote:

Looks like i'm going to hell.


If listening to metal is all it takes ... looks like I'll be there with you.
 

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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 3:41pm
wow...how ghey...the catholic church sux balls...seriously, thats just rediculous.  Why the hell did they pick him?  Im thinking because they wanted to stay conservative...its so dumb, they choose a liberal pope that made A LOT of progress, then they choose a totally Nazi Conservative Pope who will make everyone hate the catholic church...silly nazis...

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Posted By: RollnROCK89i
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 4:07pm
AC/DC means antichrist, death to christ, where the hell did this come from?  lol, Angus and Malcolms sister saw the word "AC/DC" on the back of a vaccum cleaner and thought it sounded cool, so she suggested it for their bands name.


Posted By: crazy_dave
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

another reason why i'm not catholic



whats the hells that supposed to mean...asshole

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Posted By: crazy_dave
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by pbdude985 pbdude985 wrote:

idk what to say well 4get him i love
my music



I'm Catholic, and i am with you on this one bro, CHEVELLE
RULES ALL THAT IS HOLY!

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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by borntopaint borntopaint wrote:

Originally posted by MetallicaESPa5 MetallicaESPa5 wrote:

Looks like i'm going to hell.


If listening to metal is all it takes ... looks like I'll be there with you.
 


Well, i'm also jewish.




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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:40pm
It's not like this is anything new. Most people over the age of 70 think people under 25 are the devil anyway.

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Posted By: crazy_dave
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:40pm
wow..thats bad...

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:40pm
Yeah.. Hes like that, he sounds like he is Dominican. What a cheese ball. I like my rock music and play it at church while im working. My priest likes AC/DC, so there ya go. Domincan preists.. have some strange beliefs. And this guy, i dont think i like him.

Edit:
And Chevelle sucks.

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Posted By: crazy_dave
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

Good thing i listen to rap. Rap is now the
music of god.



RAP


















IIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZZZZ























GGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
!!!!!!!

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Posted By: crazy_dave
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yeah.. Hes like that, he sounds like he
is Dominican. What a cheese ball. I like my rock music and play
it at church while im working. My priest likes AC/DC, so there ya
go. Domincan preists.. have some strange beliefs. And this guy,
i dont think i like him.

Edit:
And Chevelle sucks.




not as much as your mom, ask her if she knows Dave....go for it
ask her

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:45pm
Woah now there lil wodie why gots ta be goin off at da mouth you dont know!

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:49pm
David is the guy that runs my race shop. I know dave..

Good thing you deleted that, you woulda got in trouble.

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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

Good thing i listen to rap. Rap is now the
music of god.


I'm going to go kill myself now.


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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:51pm

ZOMG KANT SPELL CRAP W/O RAP LOL IM PHUNNY!!!

RAP ESH TEH SUKS ANYBODY CAN RYME!111!!!

 



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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by crazy_dave crazy_dave wrote:

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

another reason why i'm not catholic



whats the hells that supposed to mean...asshole


yet another reason why i'm not catholic


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 9:25pm
Looks like Hell is the place to be this eternity.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 9:33pm
Whats it like? I hear its warm.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 10:18pm
Warm, full of famous faces, rockstar, and loose women. Much better than worshiping with harps and prudes.


Posted By: Pulp_Fiction
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:26am
I hope Trent Reznor slaps him for sayin that, and then sings "Heresy" just
to rub it in...

but seriously I'll see u guys in hell then and ohh I'll bring the dorito's,
(OMFG Dorito's has a "D" in it they must be the devil OMG...AHHHHHH)


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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 6:14am

Because lack of time, I only read the first page.

Welp, I'm going to hell in a handbasket, rock music or not.



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 6:36am
Originally posted by Pulp_Fiction Pulp_Fiction wrote:

I hope Trent Reznor slaps him for sayin that, and then sings "Heresy" just
to rub it in...

but seriously I'll see u guys in hell then and ohh I'll bring the dorito's,
(OMFG Dorito's has a "D" in it they must be the devil OMG...AHHHHHH)


Devils
Ongoing
Ravinious
Impious
Torture
Of
Souls

ZOMGZORS! ALERT t3h church secret conspiracie oh noez!

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:07am
This thread turned lame fast.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:02am
Yeah, oh well, I'm glad I don't believe in that stuff, then I can do whatever I want and not be guilt tripped into anything.


Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:11am
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

ZOMG KANT SPELL CRAP W/O RAP LOL IM PHUNNY!!!


RAP ESH TEH SUKS ANYBODY CAN RYME!111!!!


 



Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by RollnROCK89i RollnROCK89i wrote:

AC/DC means antichrist, death to christ, where the hell did this come from?  lol, Angus and Malcolms sister saw the word "AC/DC" on the back of a vaccum cleaner and thought it sounded cool, so she suggested it for their bands name.



AC/DC means Alternating Current/Direct Current, atleast, thats just what I assume AC/DC (the band) meant.


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sporx wrote:
well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Yeah, oh well, I'm glad I don't believe in that stuff, then I can do whatever I want and not be guilt tripped into anything.


Obedience in faith is not about guilt tripping anyone. Its about obeying the word of god. Period.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 1:03pm
Faith was created by humans to guilt trip people.

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sporx wrote:
well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by RollnROCK89i RollnROCK89i wrote:

antichrist, devil child



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 1:49pm

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Yeah, oh well, I'm glad I don't believe in that stuff, then I can do whatever I want and not be guilt tripped into anything.


Obedience in faith is not about guilt tripping anyone. Its about obeying the word of god. Period.

You say faith, I say guilt trip.



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:37pm
Because your perogotive is to make religion look like something it isnt. Its getting old.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:49pm

And your crusade to make religion look sanctified and forever holy is just funny.



Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I would venture to say that the pope has more influnce than the president of the United States does.
what are you talking about we all know that George Bush IS God.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:54pm
Im not on a crusade, i know perfectly well what the catholic church is capable of. I know there has been coruption in the catholic church, sex scandals, decadence that would make paris hilton blush, you have a mission to degrade religion, what did religion ever do to you? What makes you so damn bitter torwards something you want nothing to do with?

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Penguin Penguin wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I would venture to say that the pope has more influnce than the president of the United States does.
what are you talking about we all know that George Bush IS God.


I agree with Hades, right now, the papacy is presuring the Spanish government about their laws concerning homosexual public contracts. No other body of government could influence another country without force the way the vatican can.

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Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 2:56pm

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Faith was created by humans to guilt trip people.

That and to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor.  There is not a single religion in the world that rewards wealth and prosperity, but all reward being humble and in poverty.  Just think about it.  Religion has been a way for governments and people in power to keep their power through out the ages.

I've said my peace, now do with it as you wish.

As a side note, this was not meant to offend anyone, and I have nothing against religious people, as long as they don't try to push their personal beliefs on to me.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by Random_Person Random_Person wrote:

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Faith was created by humans to guilt trip people.


That and to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor. There is not a single religion in the world that rewards wealth and prosperity, but all reward being humble and in poverty. Just think about it. Religion has been a way for governments and people in power to keep their power through out the ages.


I've said my peace, now do with it as you wish.



Budhism, Sidhartha was a prince, he gave up everything to find the middle ground of budhism.

Christianity in the middle ages had a discusting amount of wealth, but the preists, the honest to god preists, they werre very very poor. The men you hear about, the bishops and the cardinals, and the french papacy. These were men that boght their positions of power, the domincans exersising the right to torture in the name of god so long as they didnt draw blood, these were men who used their power to gain vast amounts of wealth. They excomunicated someone, or burned them to death, they then acumulated their land and posesions, it was a way for evil men to gain power, most of this happened with the domincan friars during and long after the hundred years war.

You have to understand, they began doing more of this to pay for bills the catholic church had acumulated, they began selling money and confiscated land, anyone would see this as an opourtunity for personal gain as well.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:11pm
Wow; a new record...
It took less than 2 weeks for the new pope to piss me off... Usually important figures take at LEAST a month to start pissing me off...

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Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:12pm

I agree with that, and also realize that the current major religions of the world are not as bad as they were in the middle ages and that they do do good things for the world and the communities that they are present in.  I'm was just saying that most religions were founded by those in power as a way to keep themselves in power.

With the exception of Budhism, which is inherintly different from the traditions of other religions.

Wow, that is my last post in this thread, my hads are cramping from all the "serious" typing I have just done.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Wow; a new record...
It took less than 2 weeks for the new pope to piss me off... Usually important figures take at LEAST a month to start pissing me off...


I think his views will change, in truth, its most likely that he has been in effect running the papacy for about a year now. Normaly, a popes views will change once he becomes accostomed to the duties of pope. But i myself dont like him, i take issues with a lot of his beliefs.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by Random_Person Random_Person wrote:

I agree with that, and also realize that the current major religions of the world are not as bad as they were in the middle ages and that they do do good things for the world and the communities that they are present in. I'm was just saying that most religions were founded by those in power as a way to keep themselves in power.


With the exception of Budhism, which is inherintly different from the traditions of other religions.


Wow, that is my last post in this thread, my hads are cramping from all the "serious" typing I have just done.



Think of it this way, it wasnt so much, a way for people to keep power, but a way to achieve power, the preists, cardnals, and bishops where the upper class back then, they could read and write often in several languages, they spoke french, breton, and latin. Because of the tradition of prematagenture, normaly the first son would gain land and become a nobal, then the second son would become a preist or buy an earldom from his king.

See the people in charge of the religion were high born anyway, they had tennants on their land and were finacialy set, they didnt need relgion, but it was a terrific way to amass wealth, power and prestige.

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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

... you have a mission to
degrade
religion, what did religion ever do to you? What
makes you so damn bitter torwards something
you
want nothing to do with?


LOL!!!1!!!!

Irony is funny!

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:43pm

John Paul II was a serious Sex Pistols fan.

He could throw down in the pits.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

John Paul II was a serious Sex Pistols fan.


He could throw down in the pits.





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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:25pm
What did religion do to me?

Excommunicated me for my beliefs and actions... Best day of my life, btw.

The list can go on and but I dont care to go into details.

What religion does to society is even worse.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:27pm
You were morman? And they excomunicated you if i remember correctly. I would be glad to be kicked out of that religion as well. I cant blame you, you cannot blame the faults of the few, on an entire religion, or religion itself.

On a side note, my uncle was excomunicated for marrying a woman that had been divorced.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:29pm
I would have been happy to have been excummunicated from any Christian religion. [I dont know enough about the rest.]

It doesnt agree with me so I just ignore its existance. And when it pushes me, I push back.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:31pm
How much about the Christian religions do you know? Depending on what you pick, many of the religions are really night and day. Morman Vs. Southern Baptist for instance.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:36pm
Lets just say that I know enough about Baptists that I would rather be a Mormon. I am at a point in my life I would rather risk an eternity in Hell than be a follower of the Christian God.

I have to go back to work, my lunch break is ending.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:44pm
You remind me a lot of myself a while back. The thing you need to remember, is there is a church out there for you, christians vary, there are people that claim to be christian and are the furthest thing, and there are people that are very good people. Churches varry too, it can be difficult to find a church that you feel comfortable with. The important thing is to find a church that suits you. I come from a long line of High church Catholosism, a friend of mine comes from Low church southern baptists. The two churches vary as much as night and day.

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Posted By: RedDragon44089
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 7:05pm

Amen, plentiful balls. That stupid Hitler youth, what a moron! Pink Floyd... satanic... it's a shame. Don't listen to rock n' roll music kids, it'll condemn your soul to hell for all eternity, but go burn some jews instead! What a great message, silly nazis.

I'm glad my church isn't so uppity and controlling. It's all a huge power trip. But hey, all you have to do is follow the worms, right?



Posted By: The Crimson
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 7:49pm

I never thought I would go against a religious leader from me religion. But I am a metal head (atreyu, korn, sabbath etc.), and nothing will change that. Besides none of those bands say anything against god. Thats just a typical ignorant stereotypeing. How dare he say anything against Sabbath or Floyd though...



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Posted By: The Crimson
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 7:58pm
My priest (catholic) thinks the new pope is dumb. And that says alot.

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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by The Crimson The Crimson wrote:

My priest (catholic) thinks the new pope is dumb. And that says alot.


Haha, that's cool.


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Posted By: The Crimson
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:07pm
My preist is awesome. He listens to Sabbath.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by RedDragon44089 RedDragon44089 wrote:

Amen, plentiful balls. That stupid Hitler youth, what a moron! Pink Floyd... satanic... it's a shame. Don't listen to rock n' roll music kids, it'll condemn your soul to hell for all eternity, but go burn some jews instead! What a great message, silly nazis.


I'm glad my church isn't so uppity and controlling. It's all a huge power trip. But hey, all you have to do is follow the worms, right?



He was a hitler youth, just like every single other teenage boy in nazi germany. Dont put your mouth on things you dont know about. Call him an idiot, call him a catholic, call him a dominican, call him pope, but dont c all him a nazi, he was not a nazi.

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Posted By: Lawless
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:22pm

Hey!

Proud to be Atheist!



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Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:27pm
So if I listen to Manson does this mean I'm going to hell?

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 12:05am
Manison is another no-no with the religious folk. More so than most other bands.


Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 4:42am
Damn..

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Manison is another no-no with the religious folk. More so than most other bands.


This is because he activly calls for the end of christianity/ organized religion, i dont know if he actualy does this, just what people yell and scream about. I dont care i like some of his stuff.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:25pm
^  Maybe he is just joking?


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:33pm
Joking or not, it causes flamming kittens shoot out of the butts of middle america.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:42pm

I think we can agree on that...    :)

 



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

I think we can agree on that...    :)




Lordy, ive sat there at listened to people say. "We have got to do something about this! He is poluting our babies he is the anticrist! He is a tool of the devil!"

I really want to yell at them and say, wich polutes your kid more, your closet alcolholism, your husband beating you everynight, or maryland manson...hmmm

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 2:59pm
^ Amen.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 3:05pm
I work in a church, so i hear about a lot of things that go on in families, i cant say anything about the things that go on, but it isnt the music that messes kids up, they listen to the music because when they do, they find solace in the fact that there are other people in just as much or equal pain as they are in.

It doesnt help your kid for you to come home late every day fresh from the ABC, down a court of wiskey and fall asleep watching TV.

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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Manison is another no-no with the religious folk. More so than most other bands.


This is because he activly calls for the end of christianity/ organized religion, i dont know if he actualy does this, just what people yell and scream about. I dont care i like some of his stuff.

you can say i fit in the "religious folk" catagory but honestly i think too big of a stink is made about music   now if you are going to take the lyrics to heart and go slit your wrists and worship satan than no  you shouldn't listen to that kind of music  but honestly i just like the way it sounds i dont think manson is great but i like some of his songs   i like bands like that and i dont think it is going to effect my final outcome
 

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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 4:43pm

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Faith was created by humans to guilt trip people.

no, not faith, people can have faith in anything, thats just to broad.

Religon (or as least christianity) was created as a from of controll...thats all.



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 6:56pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

I work in a church, so i hear about a lot of things that go on in families, i cant say anything about the things that go on, but it isnt the music that messes kids up, they listen to the music because when they do, they find solace in the fact that there are other people in just as much or equal pain as they are in.

It doesnt help your kid for you to come home late every day fresh from the ABC, down a court of wiskey and fall asleep watching TV.


You and I finally agree on something.


Posted By: RedDragon44089
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 6:57pm
Yeah yeah yeah, I know that all the little schoolboys in germany of this time frame where forced into the Hitler youth... I was just trying to be comical. If being a hitler youth isn't being a nazi, what is it then, a republican? Just kidding.


Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 7:10pm
I think Mr Pope should listen to Pantera.

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Posted By: The Crimson
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 7:13pm
He really needs to listen to half of the bands he calls "instroments of the devil", he is making himself seem like a real ass.

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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 10:32pm

Originally posted by Mehs Mehs wrote:

I think Mr Pope should listen to Pantera.



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