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Topic: Disliked Companies
Posted By: Styro Folme
Subject: Disliked Companies
Date Posted: 29 April 2005 at 10:31pm
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I don't want to make enemies but these are just some companies i don't care for. 1. Brass Eagle- Everyone will back me up on this one. I don't like Brass Eagle because instead of fixing the problem, they spend the money to fight lawsuits. Also their products are crap. 2. Dye- nice, but overpriced. The DMCs are nice but not really worth the extra money i don't think. The Proto branch off Dye is more resonable. Don't get me wrong, some of the stuff is really killer, just not alot of it. 3. Smart Parts- The Impulses where way overpriced for what you get. Touchy Eyes, Kinda Bulky, Heavy Trigger pull, and lets not forget all the Impulse varient ripoffs. I'm not a big fan of the Ions either. I personally think they are ugly and hard to find a good upgrade parts. 4. Armotech/ Ariakon- Pretty bulky pricetag. The mil sim models where actual gun weight (heavy). The Zeuses where really nice but their attempts at a speedball marker didn't turn out to good.
Please realize this is only my opinion and most of you will not agree and that's okay. Pleaze feel free to express your opinions. THere are some products these companies make that arn't bad. ------------- X |
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 29 April 2005 at 11:40pm
| You are right on some and wrong on others in my opinion, but that's just based on what I hear. You won't know if they're good until you've bought some different stuff from that company. |
Posted By: armed_future
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 12:34am
| I agree with all those you have listed on there. Finally someone agrees with me about the Ion! |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 12:36am
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true, it's just my opinion. i'm not trying to protest or anything, people can buy what they want. these are just some companies i would stay away from. Just trying to strike up conversation. I don't mean to flame. ------------- X |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 12:38am
| Are you bored, Styro? |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 12:40am
very lol. I drank like 4 coffees today and now i'm wired and for some reason i can't stop posting. I'm gonna go watch some tv and try to get some sleep  ------------- X |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 6:57am
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Dye is too over priced especially on there barrels. Like a lot of people say your not paying for the Dye product your paying for the Dye name. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: County
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:03am
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I actually like the Ion. A good friend of mine is using one for our tournaments and he loves it. Very small, very light and shoots ropes. Can't complain.
As for Brass Eagle, some of their gear is pretty cheap, but they sell it cheap so it seems fair. I do have to thank Brass Eagle for introducing a LOT of people to the sport with their low-priced introductory markers. Sure, the markers probably didn't hold up very well, but people who played because it was cheap, then liked it enough to upgrade might not have ever played if not for the BE stuff. Dye - same opinion. Most of it is overpriced but it is nice stuff, in general. Like buying Nike instead of Keds. Armotech - no real experience. Just not my thing. ------------- http://www.EZOfficePool.com - Free NXL and NPPL Office Pools, pw: 'gogged' http://www.CountySports.com/shop/news.php - Newsletter - Coupons |
Posted By: SoriAno-5
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:23am
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I think spyder/ kingman should also be on the list, they work good when they are working but the problem is that they are never working! lol what im trying to say is that they are always breaking, most of my friends got them and later seen they had to get it fixed all of the time and eventually swithced over to tippmanns, wich never break. ------------- S o r i A-5,e-grip,14' Stiffi, LPK, 71/4500 Dye Throttle n o |
Posted By: PROM3TH3U5
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:01am
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I agree on all except for ariakon, of coarse I am a huge fan of mil-sim and real scenario. ------------- Insanity is a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world Outnumbered 10 to 1...I like those odds. I enjoy eating large amounts of lead based paint! Proud member of Shadow Recon Team |
Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:49am
i have to agree with you my friend had so many problems with his spyder. I agree with with the companies you listed above you are right Dye is exspensive. The protos are cheaper and thats why i got one. I love it , its worth the money. ------------- 
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SoriAno-5 wrote:Posted By: crix
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:51am
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well, with brass eagle, you get what you pay for. dont expect to
pay $15 for a pump and its a good one. and with ariakon/armotech,
i have nothing against them. there are different types and styles
of playing. sure milsim is expensive, but speedball is just as
expensive if not more. and when you playing speedball, you might
say "well i paid $500 and got a good speedball setup". well if
you buy ariakon/armotech, that is the best you can get for milsim, so
of course it will be more pricey. i have heard good about both
companies as far as reliability, and its not that overpriced
considering how much it would cost to convert a 98 into an mp5 or an
m4. the clip costs like $50. barrel and mock suppressor and
barrel grip costs like $120. rear stock costs $70. raised
sight/carry rail costs another $50. and if you take all that to a
98c, youre paying $459 anyways. most of ariakon/armotech guns are
only $400-$500. so it all adds up. just my 2 cents |
Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 11:21am
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I love my Ion and Brass Eagle is really only targeted at entry level payers so you can't expect it to be world class. But other than that I agree. ------------- 
Back by popular demand |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 11:43am
i agrue with mike. |
Posted By: Savior_six
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 12:40pm
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I hate Brass Eagle too, I love Dye & SP. Armotech is one of only a few that daddle with scenerio guns so they can push prices a little. ------------- Team Salem, Kuwait 08 |
Posted By: procarb11
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 1:23pm
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another company to add to the list SYSTEM X!
terrible products, terrible customer service (sent em 5 emails and left them tons of voicemails about 5 years ago about my old cocker hinge frame, still waiting to hear back from em lol) ------------- Dust Black/Red DM5, Ultralite Frame, Ultralite Barrel, Orange Bolt Kit, Virtue Laser Eyes |
Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 1:30pm
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Armotech would be such a better company if their gun prices were just a little cheaper, i was going to buy a sim 4 as my first gun but because of the huge price i went with an A-5 which could eventually become a better scenario gun then the ariakon producs, for half the price. Dye u cant complain too much except their barrel prices are so high, their guns are decently priced but still a little expensive, i agree with everyone who said their begining to become a name brand company. ------------- A-5 Flatline E-Grip Tapco T-6 stock JCS Duel Trigger JCS Universal BiPod Core Remote 88ci/4500psi Crossfire R-5 Hopper Apex Barrel Hot Shot red dot Lapco offset Spec Ops A5-A2 grip |
Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 1:40pm
| I don't care about the other stuff... but the number one thing i like is that smart parts suck |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:15pm
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YES! how could i forget kingmann! BEtter than brass eagle, but the more lower end guns (extra, victor (1 and 2), Imagine, ect.) seem to allways jam! And it's hard to unjam because of the poor stock bolt design, it wedges the shell between the bodie and the bolt so it gets jammed really good. I really havn't heard much about System X besides the fockers. It crossed my mind to put them on but for some reason didn't. ------------- X |
Posted By: armed_future
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 6:56pm
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I don't agree with those remarks about Kingman. All you do to unjam thenm is shove your barrel squeegie down the barrel really hard and push it back into the cocked position. I too, have heard bad stuff about the System X stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: T_woodsballer
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:19pm
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Sounds like most pepole don't like kingmans/spyders but not to the extreme I don't. On my field pepole around here are nothing but tippmanns and occansionaly spyders and most the time pepole just unload on them they consider spyder the devil of paintball I agree to, but they do alright when they work. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:09pm
I dont agree with this one at all. Brass eagle doesnt make crap. They make low end entry gear that is ideal for people who want to get into the game to try it out and not spend a ton of money. I started off with brass eagle markers, and am pretty glad that I did. You can't expect their products to stack up to these fancy painthoses that are produced for tournament players now. Brass eagle is VERY good at what they do, which is, as I mentioned, providing tentative players with an affordable starting option. ------------- ? |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:21pm
^^^ reb is right, my first gun was a blade, then i purchased an avenger, then my a-5, then my minimag, all i still have, all still work PLus it isn't just brass eagle, brass eagle is part of a larger corperation refered to now as K2 companies, Brass eagle, JT, WGP, etc. so good things come out of the same place plus if there wasn't brass eagle there would be viewloader things which mean no revvy's and no eggs so two of the most popular hoppers would not be around, plus their co2 tanks (being made out of steel) last FOREVER |
Posted By: Kpoofs
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 1:50am
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i dont like viewloader guns, their hoppers are great..i juyts dislike
their guns i also hate ben tippmann...i dont really know anything about
them
------------- I Have a B2K and a 98c. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:14am
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eh, ive NEVER had a problem with my spyder, even tho i use my angel
now, they aren't as finicky as people like to say, so you cant bash
them on the ground or run it over like i can my tippy, SO WHAT! and the ariakon toro doesnt make a bad back up for the price ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:36am
| I'm going to agree with County and Reb on this one. I also do like the Ion quite a bit. The whole trend of more marker for less money and more competition instead of lawsuits, should bring down prices some. I though some of the stuff was and is being priced right out of the market. Entry level,on the other hand, is just that. If all that was available was what most of us have now for guns. Would we have even started playing. No, most of us would have said you're kidding me? I can't even start to afford that. |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 12:58pm
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I agree with Armotech just because their stuff doesn't work well and is
insanely expensive. I hate SP for their bussiness tactics, but
their guns are good. Brass Eagle isn't so bad if you're a total
begginer and just trying out the sport. DYE makes incredible
products, but you're right; they are insanely overpriced.
------------- Something unknown is doing we don't know what. That is what our knowledge amounts to. - Sir Arthur Eddington |
Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 1:33pm
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Armotech and Ariakon are too different companies. Ariakon doesnt produce the Zues. The Armotech WG models known as Generation I had a lot of problems but now have pretty much fixed them. Armotech didnt make the speedball guns, their sister company Speedball Inc(or a similar name) made them. Ariakon never made any either, but distributed the Nemisis(which is made by CY paintball I believe) and Ariakon just believed it was a great gun. Too milsim players, Armotech and Ariakon are the best milsim markers out there and are top of the line items. You cant dis it, till you know it. ------------- You call the Eagle, Eagle does the rest. |
Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 3:04pm
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armotech was changed to ariakon pluss if u just go with a tippmann u can make em look as well or better then their markers, and dont forget their super reialability and performence. ------------- A-5 Flatline E-Grip Tapco T-6 stock JCS Duel Trigger JCS Universal BiPod Core Remote 88ci/4500psi Crossfire R-5 Hopper Apex Barrel Hot Shot red dot Lapco offset Spec Ops A5-A2 grip |
Posted By: Rio258K
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 5:58pm
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I would take SP off the list (Guess Why?)
Also, I would add System X, Extreme Rage, and Psycho Ballistics. I have had nothing but bad experience with all of them. ------------- 
Resident SP fan rockin the Shocker. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:00pm
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Armotech was not changed to Ariakon. They are two seperate companies,
which split from a partnership of sorts due to legal issues. Armotech makes some damned good looking markers; the new WG-65+ and WG-47 which are due out soon are undoubtedly the most visually accurate M4 and AK47 MilSims out there (I'm disregarding cRap-4, as their products are junk). They also eprform very well. Ariakon has recently released two excellent pistols that up the bar int erms of performance, and their Sim-4 and Sim-5 lines continue to be popular, with more upgrades and customizations coming out all the time- and, importantly, stock barrels that are actually damned good. No aftermarket barrel required, which saves money right there. The prices on these are a bit mroe expensive, but they are the crème de la crème of MilSim- compare those prices to the high end Speedball markers, and tell me where money's being wasted... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: heavymetal99
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:31pm
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I dont have a big problem with smart parts, there guns are ove though. But wtf is with dye. All of there products are way overpriced. Damn it's like $185 for a titanium boomstick. I did hear that WGP sold out to Brass Eagle. Is that true. |
Posted By: Rio258K
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:55pm
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yep. They are now owned by K2 Inc. which owns WGP, BE, JT, and other companies. They are the new big conglomerate....... -------------
Resident SP fan rockin the Shocker. |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:47pm
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^^^didi not already mention that
I don't hate paintball companies period, heck its paintball stuff. I dislike some things about some companies. FOr example i think that such things a GTA expansion chambers are overpriced and of lower quality. I don't like some things that some companies produce. THough if you lable not liking a company based on one thing, well then you are judging a book by its cover. DYE, is a bit procy but you can always guarentee that their gear and stuff is quality. |
Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 12:32am
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I definatly think you're wrong when it comes to Armotech. Have you ever tried building your own Mil-Sim... You'll end up spending around the same if not more. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:27am
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I had a rotten expierence with armotech markers. My brother and I won one at the West point game last year. Tooled around with it in the yard a few times before we even had a chance to take it in the field, you know, put it through it paces to see how it works. Well, before its first game, It started leaking like an SOB. I fixed the leak, but now it doesnt get air through it. I've torn the thing down, all the seals are fine, I replaced them all, nothings busted, it just doesnt work. I have deemed it a piece of crap. ------------- ? |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 4:24pm
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Ariakon's service is awesome though, when i had a overlord something was
wrong internally, called them up, sent it to them, they sent me a NEW
one, and repaid me for the shipping cost
------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: INV8ER
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 5:16pm
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32 Degrees a couple years ago, I bought a 32 Degrees "Defender" and it broke the second I first shot it. I tried emailing them many times, and got nothing back. And I was out 200 something bucks because of that. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 5:26pm
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Wow, they covered your shipping, even? First I've heard of a company doing that. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 5:29pm
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hmm i say that wal-mart paintball stuf sucks, that is one thing i can yeild to, anything MADE by wal-mart and sold for the sport of paintball is probably pretty lousy...
plus one of my best friends uncle was the head accountant for TARGET |
Posted By: P!NK panther
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 6:00pm
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Dye deff isnt over priced. They make everything high qaulity. Well dont worry about it. Most of you are just woodsballers anyways. Now brass eagle, too long to write about how many things suck about their company, O ya i got suspened from their forum for 2 years. One post it was awesome! ------------- http://www.theimagehosting.com"> 
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Posted By: FireboM
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:52pm
i see this is your opinion, but your basing it on ONE of their guns.
JUST ONE. and they dont even make that gun anymore. and how is it hard
to find ups for Ions? lets see..... regs? any will do, grips? any
standard .45 will do. triggers? at least 7 out right now, more coming.
feednecks? what doesnt fit it? barrels? uses impy threads. what doesnt
come in impy threads?(NOTE: if anyone says the flatline i cannot be
held responsible for what happens to you). and another plus to the Ion,
bodys. what if you get your brand new timmy(just for example purposes)
all scratched up and maybe a gouge on the side of it somehow? well your
out whoever much it costs for a new body or gun. with the Ion? out $30,
then it looks brand new. thats just my opinion. and also, how can you
hate on the company that borught the world ported barrels? and the best
eye system in paintball? other than that, you are 100% dead-on. i cant complain about that. expecially about Dye. OMG how i hate Dye. just thought i should add that << she's hott and you know it ------------- "She's the one who keeps me all excited, she keeps me begging for more" Never Leave-Seether |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:53pm
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Well, i like the Afterburner paint made by BE. And the VL Triad is a good entry level. I started out with an Eradicater. Good gun, but then the trigger spring and all it's surroundings kinda disentigrated. I was mostly talking about the Blades and the other plastic pumps that broke alot. Your better off just renting if you have one of those. Armotech made the Mars Evos and stuff. They where good guns when they worked but they never really did work...... I went to armotech.com and the front page said Armotech switched to Ariakon, but then i realized that wasn't a real site or whatever. I really havn't heard alot about Ariakon so i'm taking them off the list. I didn't realize they where different companies. Sorry bout that.... Dye makes some pretty nice stuff, it's just the poor people like me have no way of afforiding it. I don't like to pay a ton of money up front. I like to gradually spend money on upgrades for my Outkast so i can atleast say it's upgraded. BTW: JT, VL, WGP make great stuff, but they are usually only good at one thing (JT = Masks, VL =Hoppers, WGP = Markers) Also yes the new SP products are kick ass! I just really didn't like the Impulses. The Shockers, Nerves, ect. are really nice! But i think the Freaks are a little overrated (at least where I live) nice barrel don't get me wrong. I also think the jerseys are kinda ugly and the pants look kinda funny with the flames running up the insides of the leg. I think that's SP idk. Well anyway glad I got alot of comments! ------------- X |
Posted By: FireboM
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:59pm
^^^^^^^^ i have a blue burn jersey, pants, adn tank cover. and i
constantly get compliments on how much people like my getup and how it
matches too. but every color but blue and red ones looks f'ed up.
specially yellow and black. whoever thought of that should be shot and
killed. ------------- "She's the one who keeps me all excited, she keeps me begging for more" Never Leave-Seether |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 8:01pm
(yes she is hot and i know it) ------------- X |
Posted By: FireboM
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 8:04pm
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im in the process of making a chamelion(sp?) color one right now. but
what gun doesnt need a new barrel and reg and maybe a trigger (i just
said that cuz i hate the double finger trigs that the Ion has stock,
blades rock)?
------------- "She's the one who keeps me all excited, she keeps me begging for more" Never Leave-Seether |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 8:29pm
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you should get a blue bodie and paint the black things orange so it matches your jersey and pants and cover! ------------- X |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 03 May 2005 at 12:03am
| I have a Zeus G2 and it is one of the most fun guns I have ever used. I have had it for two (and a half?) years now and I can't count how much paint and CO2 cartridges I've put through it. It has never broken a ball either by chopping or in the barrel. My only complaint (if I would ever make one) is if the paint is small it will sometimes fall out past the ball detent. I use mine quite a bit. It forces you to use more strategy and fire discipline because you have only 10 shots in the magazine. I average about 23 shots per 12 gram CO2 cartridge. It is extremely accurate for a pistol. |
Posted By: slettec
Date Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:35pm
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the reason why dye is so expensive is because they make some of the best stuff out there. in other words, they aren't overpriced. dye makes great products, and when you get a great product it USUALLY isn't a great price, unless it's a tippmann. ------------- WGP orracle cp flame drop MACdev gladiator reg Evil pipe kit 68/5000 tank evlutionII w/zboard A-5 ultralite e-grip w/jcs duel trigger 45/4500 crossfire LPK,cp reg Drop forward |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 03 May 2005 at 4:45pm
. Well i can see why a zeus would be tempting to unload a full clip in 2 seconds...------------- X |