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Topic: Kill Chavez **Politics-no whining**

Posted By: goodsmitty
Subject: Kill Chavez **Politics-no whining**
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:08pm

goodsmitty wrote:

If you rely on Faux for your nightly news, then you won't know that Venezuela has one of the largest oil fields in the world, some predict larger than Saudi Arabia. Hugo Chavez the Venezuelan president turned down any more loans from the International Monetary Fund or World Bank last month, declaring that Venezuela is on its way to becoming a free country.

I predict his untimely demise within one year, or a U.S. backed dictator taking over. One year.

Read all about it in "The Confessions of an Economic Hitman".

Published on Friday, April 29, 2005 by the http://www.ap.org/ - Associated Press

Venezuelan President Says He Will Not Return to U.S. Until Americans "liberate" Their Nation

by Andrea Rodriguez

HAVANA - Declaring that U.S. citizens are oppressed by their own government, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez promised Friday that he would not visit the United States again until Americans "liberate" their nation.

Chavez, in Havana for trade talks, told an international gathering of activists here that before an earlier trip to Cuba, a U.S. State Department undersecretary he did not identify warned him not to go because he would no longer be received in Washington.

He said he went ahead with that trip anyway, and later traveled to the United States to visit U.S. President George W. Bush, who he said greeted him with a Coca-Cola in his hand.

"I have not returned, nor do I think about returning again, until the people of the United States liberate that nation," said Chavez, saying that Americans are "oppressed" by their government and U.S. media.

While Chavez didn't elaborate, the implication was that he wouldn't return to the United States until the current administration was out of power.

Chavez considers Cuban President Fidel Castro a political ally and close personal friend, and Washington has grown increasingly alarmed by their deepening political and economic alliance.

During Chavez's current visit, the two countries have signed a host of economic and other accords, including a deal for Cuba to buy US$412 million (euro319 million) in goods from the South American nation, with Cuba waiving all import duties.

Venezuela's state oil company also has opened an office here this week, agreeing to help explore for and refine any crude deposits discovered off the island's coast. It also announced that the 53,000 barrels it has been sending to Cuba since 2000 at preferential terms was recently increased to up to 90,000 barrels daily.

Chavez also criticized the current Latin American tour by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, referring to her as an "imperial lady" who is trying to divide and conquer the hemisphere's developing nations.

Despite Chavez's anti-U.S. comments, his country is the world's fifth largest oil exporter and a top crude supplier to the United States.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:12pm

Your Point?

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:13pm

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:16pm

Venezuela has had oil for a long long time now.

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Posted By: xteam02001
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:19pm

i was born in venezuela as well as my whole family and we hate chavez. he is ignorant and a soon to be dictator.

if he stops oil exporting to the U.S. or OPEC he is screwed and something will have to be done.

Most of the countries in south america are leaning towards communistic ideas. We have a lot to worry about in the future.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:20pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

Venezuela has had oil for a long long time now.

For probably a billion years, but they are:

1. Turning down world bank money, a big no-no. You don't turn down the mob.

2. Getting friendly with Cuba.

3. Talking bad about the U.S.

Chavez is going to go the same way as all south american leaders who try to break free from U.S. domination-in an explosion.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:21pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

So what in hell does the article and your little prediction have in common. Your article is some guy whinning about US policy, your predition is the guy will get killed for being ontop of an oil reserve. Aside from involving the same person I see no connection

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:23pm

He is calling the US opressed and hes best buddies with castro? What an idiot.

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Posted By: xteam02001
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:30pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

chavez has ruined the Venezuelan economy. he is holding back oil and selling it to a communist nation. he is trading oil for assault weapons in russia. he traded oil for Mig-29's in russia. He has killed people who are against him. He is practically a dictator right now.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:31pm

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

Clearly you didnt read my post

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:31pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

So what in hell does the article and your little prediction have in common. Your article is some guy whinning about US policy, your predition is the guy will get killed for being ontop of an oil reserve. Aside from involving the same person I see no connection

Quit being so pissy.

The U.S. owns the world bank. We string countries like Venezuela out in debt they cannot afford, and then when they cannot pay, we take their oil or put a naval base in their country. Chavez is starting to not play nice anymore, and refusing IMF money as well as run his mouth about the U.S.

I give him one year before he is overthrown or dies in a fireball.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:35pm

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

Bingo. I know nothing about Venezuela, so you could tell me anything about them and I wouldn't refute it. However, I have been enlightened by the book I cited in my first post, and if the author [or you] are right, then I give Chavez one year. You don't mess with U.S. oil.

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Posted By: xteam02001
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:35pm

Darur wrote:

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

Clearly you didnt read my post

i was giving you more of a reason to believe why goodsmitty is predicting this. Most of the facts i posted are unknown by the american people and should worry about whats gunna happen with chavez

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:36pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

Quit being so pissy.

I give him one year before he is overthrown or dies in a fireball.

So basically your saying that just because he doesnt like the US and is going for independence President Bush is going to have him assainated or something?

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:39pm

goodsmitty wrote:

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

So basically you are saying all your information comes from one book and you have yet to research and see things from the other side? Nice . . .

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:39pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

Quit being so pissy.

I give him one year before he is overthrown or dies in a fireball.

So basically your saying that just because he doesnt like the US and is going for independence President Bush is going to have him assainated or something?

Because he is tiptoeing the line of interrupting our oil supply, and according to xteam, sending the oil to our sworn enemies, he is going to be removed.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:42pm

He sucks, and he opened his mouth about the US. But i doubt hes going to be asisinated.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:43pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

So basically you are saying all your information comes from one book and you have yet to research and see things from the other side? Nice . . .

It's a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

You haven't read the book or researched anything, even better....

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:51pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

xteam02001 wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

He could easily take charge of the country and be a dictator. He is keeping most of the money that the venezuelan gov. gets from the oil.

If he takes away the oil supply to the U.S. he will be assasinted or at least venezuela will be helped out by the U.S. until another president is elected.

So basically you are saying all your information comes from one book and you have yet to research and see things from the other side? Nice . . .

It's a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

You haven't read the book or researched anything, even better....

As a matter of fact I have read a fair bit of it. It just so happens one of my friends decided to buy it. Its been a while since but I dont remember it being anything wonderful.

As we speak I am now researching your claims.

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Posted By: xteam02001
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:03pm

all of his claims are true. there is no reason not to believe him. Chavez is a bad person that only wants power. He doesnt care about the poverty and the recent floods in venezuela. He is a friend of Fidel Castro. He went to Cuba to celebrate his friggin birthday. what more do i need to say.

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Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:05pm

goodsmitty wrote:

I give him one year before he is overthrown or dies in a fireball.

You keep saying that like its bad thing.

Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:09pm

Betterdays wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

I give him one year before he is overthrown or dies in a fireball.

You keep saying that like its bad thing.

hahaha.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:14pm

Im not going to cry if some wet works guy snuffs him out.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 3:21pm

Darur wrote:

As a matter of fact I have read a fair bit of it. It just so happens one of my friends decided to buy it. Its been a while since but I dont remember it being anything wonderful.

As we speak I am now researching your claims.

What is there to research? I made a prediction. Here's some more reading:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282603.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282603.stm

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050408/venezuela_world_bank.html?.v=1 - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050408/venezuela_world_bank.html?.v= 1

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 4:24pm

goodsmitty wrote:

What is there to research? I made a prediction. Here's some more reading:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282603.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282603.stm

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050408/venezuela_world_bank.html?.v=1 - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050408/venezuela_world_bank.html?.v= 1

Because some of us perfer to read things on our own, like who this guy is. From the looks of it this guy is a tool and if he gets killed its nothing to cry over.

So overall your just predicting that this guy will be wacked by next year?

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 4:31pm

Sounds like a crook.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 5:03pm

I'd just like to remind you all that we don't ever leave direct connection to our murders of world leaders, as we have a standard policy of not killing leaders of nations outside of wartime, and even then, we try to capture them alive. If we do it, it'll be through the Colombian drug cartels, by way of our super-secret NSA pathway from President Bush to...OK, so my conspiracy theory sucks. Go away.

Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 5:08pm

I see his point, the oppressed part. A government based on fear...yeah, I can see that.

Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 5:18pm

goodsmitty wrote:

{Econonic Hitman is] a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

I just started this book at Smitty's insistence. No comment so far, except that to note that the comparison of the author to Einstein is simply ridiculous.

Einstein revolutionized physics and changed the way we think about the universe. Perkins revolutionized nothing and was merely a tool, at best. A thousand years from now children will be learning about Einstein in school - nobody will ever learn about what's-his-name in school, and in both cases for good reason. Einstein is one of the greatest thinkers in the history of man - hitman-guy is barely a thinker at all.

Any merit to the book relates simply to information conveyed by the author, and not to any purported genius of the author. Full review of the book to follow upon completion.

Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 6:09pm

I dont care how it is done, I just want lower gas prices.

Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 6:22pm

him becoming a dictator will push the U.S. into action before refusing oil will

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Posted By: Buzz
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 6:28pm

Hades wrote:

I dont care how it is done, I just want lower gas prices.

Agreed.

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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:06pm

Clark Kent wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

{Econonic Hitman is] a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

I just started this book at Smitty's insistence. No comment so far, except that to note that the comparison of the author to Einstein is simply ridiculous.

Any merit to the book relates simply to information conveyed by the author, and not to any purported genius of the author. Full review of the book to follow upon completion.

Sounds like you've made up your mind already. Why not just put the book down and go do something else?

Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:38pm

Badsmitty wrote:

Clark Kent wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

{Econonic Hitman is] a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

I just started this book at Smitty's insistence. No comment so far, except that to note that the comparison of the author to Einstein is simply ridiculous.

Any merit to the book relates simply to information conveyed by the author, and not to any purported genius of the author. Full review of the book to follow upon completion.

Sounds like you've made up your mind already. Why not just put the book down and go do something else?

I beleive he is saying the notion of the author being a genius is crap, not that the book is crap . . .

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 8:12pm

Badsmitty wrote:

Sounds like you've made up your mind already. Why not just put the book down and go do something else?

See Darur's response. I withold judgment on the book. I do not withold judgment on the silly comparison of Perkins to Einstein. Because it was, well, silly.

Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:01pm

Hades wrote:

I dont care how it is done, I just want lower gas prices.

I feel the same way.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:02pm

Clark Kent wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

{Econonic Hitman is] a very compelling book, and the author is to the financial world what Einstein is to physics.

I just started this book at Smitty's insistence. No comment so far, except that to note that the comparison of the author to Einstein is simply ridiculous.

Any merit to the book relates simply to information conveyed by the author, and not to any purported genius of the author. Full review of the book to follow upon completion.

Okay, that was a little far fetched. I'll compare him to anyone that single-handedly enslaved a foreign country with no bullets, just loans. Compare him to whomever is comparable.

The book actually stinks as far as a book, but the information is incredible.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 9:11pm

Clark Kent wrote:

Badsmitty wrote:

Sounds like you've made up your mind already. Why not just put the book down and go do something else?

See Darur's response. I withold judgment on the book. I do not withold judgment on the silly comparison of Perkins to Einstein. Because it was, well, silly.

Actually, what you're saying is that you will wait to finish the book before you express the opinions you made before starting the book.

Perkins developed a system of calculating the future growth of developing nations that was completely bogus, but was so sophisticated that nobody else could refute, and used it to rob countries of billions of dollars. I don't think my comparison qualifies as silly. Inflated, maybe, but not silly.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 10:18pm

Hades

I dont ever see gas prices going down.

By the time OPEC or some other oil organization gets a surplus agian, or China doesn't invade Tawian(sp), We will still be at the same price, due by the time its back up inflation will be around the same area. The American Dollar is loosing Value everyday.

If you think raising minimum wage is going to help, your dead wrong, it will destroy the American Dollar, due to more money in circulation, and Gas prices will go mega high.

I wouldn't really point just the big finger at big oil companies/organizations like OPEC, its really not there fault, they plan oil production by the decades I think, and they really weren't really prepared for U.S. to Attack Iraq, China building up there Military, and India wanting to become more industialized(sp).

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 10:18am

Lets just take some oil by force.

Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 10:39am

We wont do it ourselfs.

Los Pepe's part 2.......

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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 11:20am

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 1:51pm

Hades wrote:

Lets just take some oil by force.

We have-Iraq. The oil companies just don't feel inclined to pass the savings along to the consumer, and our oil baron president doesn't see any reason to make them, either. Marathon made a 75% increase in profits last year. 75%. That's called price gouging.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 1:57pm

^ you also know that The Military doesn't run off love and friend ship, some one has to help pay the bills for fuel, fixing equipment. etc... Why Bush doesn't Care is that when Tax Season comes around the oil companies have to pay pretty large and The Military Surplus will go higher, so that the Avg. American Taxes dont go up.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 2:01pm

Ejp414 wrote:

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

You see, the reason I get annoyed with GS in these threads is because it seems half of what he says is just more and more crap (see "How do you like your president now"). Upon first apperences this thread seemed to be another whine fest.

Now that I have seen the points made, I'm asking so what if this guy gets wacked or overthrown?

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 5:37pm

Darur wrote:

Ejp414 wrote:

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

I encourage YOU to go back and read my comments on that thread. Annoying, yes, but I point out the selective conservatism running rampant. It's cute when I see neocons explaining away how it is right to steal music, but use GoHD in a Terri Shiavo thread, and vehemently support free market economies in another. You can't eat your cake and save it for later.

Now, the "so what" is in the book I cited. Much of the world's 24000 people starving to death daily is due to our global domination policy. Instead of dealing with countries fairly and honoring their sovereignty, we enslave them. People are starving to death in countries like Venezuela, and whenever a leader tries to break free of U.S. domination, they die or get overthrown. The American people care more about puttin' 22s on their Navigator, or whatever conspicuous consumption is in-and call themselves Christians.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:03pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Ejp414 wrote:

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

I encourage YOU to go back and read my comments on that thread. Annoying, yes, but I point out the selective conservatism running rampant. It's cute when I see neocons explaining away how it is right to steal music,

Where? When I was looking it was our dear lefty friends pushing for free music.

but use GoHD in a Terri Shiavo thread, and vehemently support free market economies in another. You can't eat your cake and save it for later.

Now, the "so what" is in the book I cited. Much of the world's 24000 people starving to death daily is due to our global domination policy.

Could a see proof for this, I want to know where your comming from on this.

Instead of dealing with countries fairly and honoring their sovereignty, we enslave them.

Last I checked there arent a lot of Iraqi, or Afgani, or Yugoslavian, or Vietnamise (sp?) or French, or Polish slaves running around . . .

People are starving to death in countries like Venezuela, and whenever a leader tries to break free of U.S. domination, they die or get overthrown.

I dont think the US owns Venezuela, or was that a recent addition? Face it, we dont control or dominate these countries. We may play a significant roll in their economy but we dont own them.

The American people care more about puttin' 22s on their Navigator, or whatever conspicuous consumption is in-and call themselves Christians.

If your talking about excercising our rights to bear arm, practice religion and buy trade and sell then yes. We do care about our rights. I do however find it hypocritical that in a thread a while back liberals were asking why Americans should die for Iraqis and then in a later thread asking why American lives are so much more importent than Iraqi lives. Talk about "eating your cake and saving it for later"

Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:43pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Ejp414 wrote:

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

I encourage YOU to go back and read my comments on that thread. Annoying, yes, but I point out the selective conservatism running rampant. It's cute when I see neocons explaining away how it is right to steal music,

Where? When I was looking it was our dear lefty friends pushing for free music.

but use GoHD in a Terri Shiavo thread, and vehemently support free market economies in another. You can't eat your cake and save it for later.

Read the book. We cannot debate what you don't know.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:11pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Ejp414 wrote:

Darur, stop PMS'ing.

I encourage YOU to go back and read my comments on that thread. Annoying, yes, but I point out the selective conservatism running rampant. It's cute when I see neocons explaining away how it is right to steal music,

Where? When I was looking it was our dear lefty friends pushing for free music.

but use GoHD in a Terri Shiavo thread, and vehemently support free market economies in another. You can't eat your cake and save it for later.

Read the book. We cannot debate what you don't know.

Few of the facts require "the book". Maybe its further in the book but i dont remember it disscussing prior debates about music and politics on the tippmann forum.

Working on it slowly, its not a great read.

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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:19pm

^^^^^Who cares if it isn't a Tom Clancy spine-tingler. The guy outlines how the U.S.A. enslaves entire nations. If you want a great read, there are numerous works of fiction at your local library.

Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:21pm

Badsmitty wrote:

^^^^^Who cares if it isn't a Tom Clancy spine-tingler. The guy outlines how the U.S.A. enslaves entire nations. If you want a great read, there are numerous works of fiction at your local library.

I'm saying its not a great read to explain why its taking time to read.

Goodness BS, take a breather

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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:22pm

No can do. I live with p.m.s. here at the house. Can't let it spread on the forum.

Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:34pm

Badsmitty wrote:

^^^^^Who cares if it isn't a Tom Clancy spine-tingler. The guy outlines how the U.S.A. enslaves entire nations. If you want a great read, there are numerous works of fiction at your local library.

You mean like that book?

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Posted By: Tinkertoys
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 7:55pm

This is why the world hates us, because we think we can assassinate all their leaders.

-Tink

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:19pm

No, that is not why the world hates us. The main reason the world hates us, if you boil down each problem, it is because we have no respect for the culture of other countries. Each of our citizens that go to other countries, they are in effect, ambassadors, our kids we send to aruba or wherever for spring break, they get drunk and trash the city, we go to italy, we get drunk and trash the city, we go to ireland, korea, japan, china, more of the same. We dont take the courtesy to know some basics of thier language, we asume they speak english, the first question we ask is "Do you speak english" We go to Britain and correct thier english. We trample over values other cultures are based on. We asume, what is ok in the US is ok in pakistan, or india. This is why americans are hated and despised.

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Posted By: Tinkertoys
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:47pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

No, that is not why the world hates us. The main reason the world hates us, if you boil down each problem, it is because we have no respect for the culture of other countries. Each of our citizens that go to other countries, they are in effect, ambassadors, our kids we send to aruba or wherever for spring break, they get drunk and trash the city, we go to italy, we get drunk and trash the city, we go to ireland, korea, japan, china, more of the same. We dont take the courtesy to know some basics of thier language, we asume they speak english, the first question we ask is "Do you speak english" We go to Britain and correct thier english. We trample over values other cultures are based on. We asume, what is ok in the US is ok in pakistan, or india. This is why americans are hated and despised.

Good points and all true, but we also intervene we should not.

-Tink

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:05pm

People do not fly planes into buildings because teenagers vomit in their streets. We starve them to death, pollute their waters, and destroy their farmland so that soccer moms can drive Lincoln Navigators to the Old Navy in order to fill yet another closet with trinkets they do not wear. Americans believe that because they were born into the world's most prospering economy that they are somehow more valuable than the rest of the world, and therefore are not responsible for anyone but themselves.

Case in point, I saw a kid playing my son in the 4 year old soccer league yesterday, decked out in Nike from head to toe with designer shades on. FOUR. YEARS. OLD. That kid's parents have their heads so far up their rectums that they see teeth. And they are the norm, not the exception. They are as responsible for the enslavement of the third world with their insatiable appetites for consumption as Bush and Cheney are for promoting our gas guzzling SUV economy, or Walmart for providing the gotta-have trinket of the day.

Read the Book!

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:07pm

Darur wrote:

I'm saying its not a great read to explain why its taking time to read.

Goodness BS, take a breather

Another useful link:

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:16pm

goodsmitty wrote:

People do not fly planes into buildings because teenagers vomit in their streets. We starve them to death, pollute their waters, and destroy their farmland.

They flew the planes into buildings because they were brainwashed into playing as pawns to further others political agendas... If anything, it has to do with reprocusions from the russia-afgan war.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:23pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

People do not fly planes into buildings because teenagers vomit in their streets. We starve them to death, pollute their waters, and destroy their farmland.

They flew the planes into buildings because they were brainwashed into playing as pawns to further others political agendas... If anything, it has to do with reprocusions from the russia-afgan war.

You're quick. Scroll up and read my rant in full.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:31pm

K i read it, its true, people from other nations feel we are very decadent, and we are. You worded it perfectly. Thats one of the things that really pisses me off, almost as much as the H2. Big cars that get 12 MPG, there is no need for that. People dress thier kids up like the kid you just described and its disgusting. Parents push thier kids around with this junk on them as a status symbol.

The avereage american has a type of arrogance about them. But most of them never ever notice. And why should they, a fish would not notice water, an american would not notice arrogance.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 12:12am

goodsmitty wrote:

K, thats where I dissagree. How can you connect a third world country where people starve to Americans who live a nice lifestyle? I can agree that other nations might envy our wealth, but I cant see how you are blamming a soccer mom in California, lets say, for some kid who is sick and dying of stavation in Uganda? Please explain this in words other then "Read the book".

Americans believe that because they were born into the world's most prospering economy that they are somehow more valuable than the rest of the world, and therefore are not responsible for anyone but themselves.

We are responsible for only ourselves. Its not a civic duty to go give all our wealth to some poor family. I dont see French people moving to Africa to provide aid for dying children. I dont see Germens running to the side of oppressed people in some dictatorship and providing support.

Case in point, I saw a kid playing my son in the 4 year old soccer league yesterday, decked out in Nike from head to toe with designer shades on. FOUR. YEARS. OLD.

Your point? Capatilism, we dont have to dress in thin white robes so everyone is equal. They have every right, no matter how materialistic it is. Tough.

That kid's parents have their heads so far up their rectums that they see teeth. And they are the norm, not the exception. They are as responsible for the enslavement of the third world with their insatiable appetites for consumption as Bush and Cheney are for promoting our gas guzzling SUV economy, or Walmart for providing the gotta-have trinket of the day.

Alright, now for those that havent read or finished the book, why dont you explain this? Why not use a little creativity and stop yelling "Read the book" and explain it in your own words?

Read the Book!

Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 6:58am

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

You want me to summarise an entire book in a post? Read the book. The sick and dying around the world see american companies come in to their countries, pollute their water, destroy their ecosystems, and thereby STARVE THEM TO DEATH. Those that grow up strap bombs to their bodies and kill americans.

We are responsible for only ourselves. Its not a civic duty to go give all our wealth to some poor family.

If you claim to be a Christian or know Jesus, then you are pathetic and are the living example of why I despise the popular church movement in the U.S. I was never given the option of where I was born, were you?

Case in point, I saw a kid playing my son in the 4 year old soccer league yesterday, decked out in Nike from head to toe with designer shades on. FOUR. YEARS. OLD.

Your point? Capatilism, we dont have to dress in thin white robes so everyone is equal. They have every right, no matter how materialistic it is. Tough.

Half of the money spent on that child's ridiculous outfit could have fed a family.

Alright, now for those that havent read or finished the book, why dont you explain this? Why not use a little creativity and stop yelling "Read the book" and explain it in your own words?

Again, he wrote a BOOK about the subject, not a few posts to self-centered neocons that believe that George Bush is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 9:59am

No one believes that... And if this country is so bad, and so horrible, there are 3000+ planes, some 500 boats, some 250000 cars leaving this country every single day. If this country is so bad, pick one and leave. Maybe you can pick up your cause in some poor war torn country. The things that happen now, happened when clinton was in power, they happened when bush sr. was in power. All of this is not because of bush, or anything like that. The terrorism inflicted on the US is, in nature, political, and religious, they beleieve we are infidels. Extremis Islam, teaches, be muslim, or nothing. They teach as one of thier core principles and justifications for killing americans and isrealies.

And i cant believe you are getting your panties in a bunch yelling. "Read the book" then go on and say "Oh thats just partisan hackery" Wah wah.

If you are uset about the current US religious movement.

READ THE BOOK

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 1:52pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

No one believes that... And if this country is so bad, and so horrible, there are 3000+ planes, some 500 boats, some 250000 cars leaving this country every single day. If this country is so bad, pick one and leave. Maybe you can pick up your cause in some poor war torn country. The things that happen now, happened when clinton was in power, they happened when bush sr. was in power. All of this is not because of bush, or anything like that. [I agree, and didn't mean to target only the Bush family. NAFTA was just as bad as any free trade pact]The terrorism inflicted on the US is, in nature, political, and religious, they beleieve we are infidels. Extremis Islam, teaches, be muslim, or nothing. They teach as one of thier core principles and justifications for killing americans and isrealies. [100% WRONG. If that were true, then the muslims who outnumber Christians by millions would have wiped us off the earth. Go talk to a muslim for yourself.]

And i cant believe you are getting your panties in a bunch yelling. "Read the book" then go on and say "Oh thats just partisan hackery" Wah wah. [I have summarised the biggest points made in the book, and ya'll say "prove it." The proof is in the book. Quit being lazy, go to the library and get a copy.]

If you are uset about the current US religious movement.

READ THE BOOK

Love it or leave it, right? There is no room in the neocon mentality for improving our already perfect system. It's live and let die in the old USA. I served my country's military, how about you , hero?

What distinguishes me from 95% of people who enter the church every Sunday is that I do read the bible, and I see exactly how far off we [and I] are from Jesus' teachings. You can't be a Christian and say "I have no responsibility to the poor." That is exactly the responsibility of every Christian. And those beliefs do not coincide with conspicuous consumption. I haven't heard back about Darur's religious beliefs, but if he claims to be anything but atheistic or agnostic, then he's fooling himself.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 1:58pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Love it or leave it, right? There is no room in the neocon mentality for improving our already perfect system. It's live and let die in the old USA. I served my country's military, how about you , hero?

All im hearing is you complaining, using this to bash the leader you dont like. Join the red cross or whatever. Do something besides complain. Why bash the family that dresses their kid up like a nike advertisement? Did you trade in your car for a bicycle so you dont have to support the oil companies? Do you send over half your paychecks to third world countries?

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:04pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

Your Point?

I made a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:28pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

All im hearing is you complaining, using this to bash the leader you dont like. [No, I bashed them all in my last post]

Join the red cross or whatever. [I volunteer already]

Do something besides complain. [My next goal is mission work]

Why bash the family that dresses their kid up like a nike advertisement? [Because their lifestyle starves people to death]

Did you trade in your car for a bicycle so you dont have to support the oil companies? [No, but I don't drive an SUV-both of my vehicles are very fuel efficient]

Do you send over half your paychecks to third world countries?[No, but a good portion none the less.]

Any more questions about my lifestyle?

Yes, I live what I preach. I'm not a tree hugger but I do think it is my responsibility to clue people in to the cost of consumption. Asking me to allow you to ignore the cost or your gluttonous lifestyle isn't something I am prepared to do.

Q: Who did Jesus condemn, homos, or the $Rich$ ?

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:34pm

Its good you do those things. But bashing parents for wanting to turn thier kid into a status symbol doesnt make sense, if you want something to think about. The guilt lies within the the corporations, asuming what you say is true, the blame doesnt lie on the parents but the corporations.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:39pm

Jesus condemned the rich for different reasons. If you look into the confrontation involving the rich merchants, jesus and the old woman. He chastises the rich for giving very very valuable things, but praises the poor woman for giving so little. She had given more than the rich merchants, he isnt chastising them because they are rich, or glutonous or decadent but because they gave so little to the church when they had so much to give.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:43pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

Its good you do those things. But bashing parents for wanting to turn thier kid into a status symbol doesnt make sense, if you want something to think about. The guilt lies within the the corporations, asuming what you say is true, the blame doesnt lie on the parents but the corporations.

Prepare yourself, Dibi: I agree with you. With one stroll through Walmart, you will see that there is nothing made in the U.S.A. The reason it offers rock-bottom prices is because the manufacturers exploit the third world. And human nature is to keep up with the Joneses, so cheap stuff keeps on pouring in. I ask myself "who starved to death making this" before I buy anything anymore. It has greatly cut down on my own gluttony.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:46pm

I do not like to shop at wal mart for that exact reason. I like to look on things to try and see where they were made. Before the wal mart came to my area, we had a lot of little mom and pop type stores. Lots of different stores, more bicycle shops, toy stores. When wal mart came along, over the course of about 2 years. Those little shops went out of business. Most people didnt even notice. If i can get it somewhere else, i do, like candy or some music, i do, i try to stay away from the wall mart.

For the record. I hate Haliburton.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:47pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

Jesus condemned the rich for different reasons. If you look into the confrontation involving the rich merchants, jesus and the old woman. He chastises the rich for giving very very valuable things, but praises the poor woman for giving so little. She had given more than the rich merchants, he isnt chastising them because they are rich, or glutonous or decadent but because they gave so little to the church when they had so much to give.

Were we flaming each other earlier? I agree again. Absolutely nothing has changed since Jesus' time, and those that have the most to give still pat themselves on the back when they walk in the church doors every sunday, but miss the point entirely.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 2:52pm

I agree again. Still today, if you look at the Forbes top 40 richest people. The majority of people, if you factor it out, they give maybe one percent of their net worth. But if you look at bill gates, he gives something like 40 percent, i dont know the numbersoff hand. But its a huge chunk of his net worth.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 3:01pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

I do not like to shop at wal mart for that exact reason. I like to look on things to try and see where they were made. Before the wal mart came to my area, we had a lot of little mom and pop type stores. Lots of different stores, more bicycle shops, toy stores. When wal mart came along, over the course of about 2 years. Those little shops went out of business. Most people didnt even notice. If i can get it somewhere else, i do, like candy or some music, i do, i try to stay away from the wall mart.

For the record. I hate Haliburton.

I wholeheartedly apologize for my earlier flamings. You are a gentleman for your kind words.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 3:08pm

Not a problem. If a person looks at what large companies do for money. If you really look at it, its really aphauling.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 9:14pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

We are responsible for only ourselves. Its not a civic duty to go give all our wealth to some poor family.

Oooh, I see now. Basically you have managed to tie a tool in Venezuela to a Christian Soccer mom who doesnt give to chairity. Nice . . .

Have you read the bible? Can you cite a paragraph or a statement saying that Christans are required to give all thier belongings to the needy? I am a Christian, I do community service, I work with the needy, I donate, and overall I give more than my fair share back to the community. Because I own a Computer and can buy most of the things I want, does that make me a hypocrite?

Further more, as you yourself demonstrate, not all Americans are Christian. Perhaps the soccer mom isnt a Christian after all.

Case in point, I saw a kid playing my son in the 4 year old soccer league yesterday, decked out in Nike from head to toe with designer shades on. FOUR. YEARS. OLD.

Your point? Capatilism, we dont have to dress in thin white robes so everyone is equal. They have every right, no matter how materialistic it is. Tough.

Half of the money spent on that child's ridiculous outfit could have fed a family.

Perhaps, but once again, this is Capitalism, not Communism. How do you know that family doesnt donate heavily to chairity? How do you know that family doesnt give their time back to the community? How do you know the dad or mom isnt the coach or an assistent? Just because your rich doesnt mean you are obligated to give everything away.

Heck, to add to that point, how do you know the mom wasnt Christan?

Alright, now for those that havent read or finished the book, why dont you explain this? Why not use a little creativity and stop yelling "Read the book" and explain it in your own words?

Again, he wrote a BOOK about the subject, not a few posts to self-centered neocons that believe that George Bush is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

Wow, I give you props there GS, you managed to worm out of usuing refferences from the "Book" AND insult conservatives. You must make BS very proud.

Now, why not share passages from this "book" with us? If you are going to use it as your refference it only seems fair. Otherwise for all we know your just spouting out crap.

Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 9:47pm

^^ Quit posting and read the book, then we can discuss it. I already gave you the underlying thesis of how consumption causes third world starvation. What more do you want.

I still want an answer: Do you claim to be a Christian?

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 9:53pm

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

goodsmitty wrote:

Further more, as you yourself demonstrate, not all Americans are Christian. Perhaps the soccer mom isnt a Christian after all.

goodsmitty wrote:

^^ Quit posting and read the book, then we can discuss it. I already gave you the underlying thesis of how consumption causes third world starvation. What more do you want.

I still want an answer: Do you claim to be a Christian?

Did you not read what I just said?

Stand behind your facts, cite this book, show us paragraphs from it that back up your claims. Until you do so, I guess everything you say is just fresh crap from your rectum because as I have not finished the book yet I dont know if you are lying or telling the truth.

Rather clever way to back out of a debate

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 10:40pm

Darur wrote:

So which is it, are you Mother Teresa or Rush Limbaugh? The above statement does not coincide with Christ's teachings. You have missed his point. I urge you to stop reading Hitman and read the bible starting with the four gospels.

Now, I am signing off from this exercise in futility. I am not typing the book or looking up citations. I have given you the major points of how consumption leads to starvation. I have also stated that Chavez will die within one year because of U.S. colonialism. I don't know how to speak English any more clearly that you will understand. Sorry.

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 10:44pm

Yeah, it sucks that a rag "butt" little south american country could ruin us at any time....it's our own fault but so it might serve us right but still...can't wait for '08...

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 10:53pm

goodsmitty wrote:

Darur wrote:

/sigh, completely missed the point between those statements. You were talking about Americans when I made that statement, not you are talking about Christians. I think its you that needs to pick sides.

Now, I am signing off from this exercise in futility. I am not typing the book or looking up citations.

So in other words your not going to back-up your points?

I have given you the major points of how consumption leads to
starvation.

No, all you said was we are a bunch of oil crazed warmongers who starve 3rd world countries for Lincoln Navigators, you never made the connection

I have also stated that Chavez will die within one year because of U.S. colonialism. I don't know how to speak English any more clearly that you will understand. Sorry.

Oh, I speak English, but unless your posting in invisible ink most of what you said you said isnt what you said at all.

A Hui Ho then!

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 11:13am

I don't want to reopen this discussion at this time - honestly - I just wanted to do a status check on GS' prediction, and make sure that this thread didn't get swept away in some forum cleaning.

Chavez is doing fine so far. I'll check back in a couple of months.

Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 11:23am

My prediction still stands. If somthing happens to him it wont be us doing it directly.

Los Pepe's Part II

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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 11:41am

.Ryan wrote:

Yeah, it sucks that a rag "butt" little south american country could ruin us at any time....it's our own fault but so it might serve us right but still...can't wait for '08...

yeah, never say that again

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