search 4 silencrs i have a topic on them!!

i meant just make a fake one for looks. is that illegal?

he said fake 3 posts ago...

not as long as it doest work it wont be illegal

http://www.awcsystech.com/civiliansales.html - http://www.awcsystech.com/civiliansales.html  check out this site, it clearly states that suppressors are legal in most states,

Yea, I've found many online companies selling suppressors. I was shopping around for a new handgun and one of the only places you can buy them requires you to order one of their suppressors with it.

Read the "Buying Suppressor Info" it will tell you where they are legal and how to aquire them

http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=160&Subc at=Carbon%20Fiber%20P22 - http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=160&Subc at=Carbon%20Fiber%20P22

They also carry some nice gun paint if you need any.

Psyrecx wrote: Yea, I've found many online companies selling suppressors. I was shopping around for a new handgun and one of the only places you can buy them requires you to order one of their suppressors with it. Read the "Buying Suppressor Info" it will tell you where they are legal and how to aquire them http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=160&Subc at=Carbon%20Fiber%20P22 - http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=160&Subc at=Carbon%20Fiber%20P22 They also carry some nice gun paint if you need any.

What, this again???

OK, one more time for those who have not been paying attention.

Silencers and suppressors are illegal if they reduce the sound of a firearm by mre than half AND if they can be adapted for use on a firearm.  This means that even though a paintball gun is not a firearm, some silencers\suppressors can be made that will work on a real firearm.  You can however legally own a silencer.  It requres that detailed plans or sample be sent to the ATF for inspection and approval and if approved a $200 tax be paid for each item.  You can avoid the $200 tax if your design can be shown to be unuseable on a real firearm, but it still need to go the ATF for approval and certification.  Your local law enforcement will be unlikely to know the difference between a real silencer and a fake one, so you will need some sort of official documentation to avoid siezure and/or a ticket.

Now, given the amount of hassel, do you really NEED a silencer for your paintball gun?   

can u just use one for looks like the big machine gun ends? i tried and it didn't change the sound at all

ok you are not getting it...

regardless of the reprocussions what if someone wanted one???

i know its hard to beleive but not everybody follows EVERY law

uh...i live in the middle of nowhere...

you can and do get away with anything here...

the police are useless unless it comes to harassing people

Well if your not worried about the legal hassle, then yes you can build a silencer out of PVC.  Its acctually very simple.  Take a piece of 1" or 1 1\4" depending on your barrels diameter, cut it to the length you want and then cut 1\2" holes in it all down its length.  Then you will need another length of PVC to cover the first usually 2" or 2 1\2".  Now simply fill the void between the tubes with an absorbant material.  I use Scotch Bright pads(they're easier to clean), but you can use just about anything, even a towel.

thanks for the help stormcharger

kinda sad it took all that just for an answer

Whitelightinin wrote: and they used the silencers, so I don't mean to sound like a dumb noob but they were using them so they might not be illegal in certain areas

People do illegal things.

Also, search please. Repeat threads are clogging the forum

First, did everyone see that he was talking about FAKE silencers?

Second, He was also asking about PVC piping for it and in most cases the large internal diameter of the silencer tube would make a homemade PVC pipe silencer not work on a firearm (though remember that some states classify airguns / paintball markers as firearms and then it would be a firearm silencer in that state).

But as was also mention, for most markers, the noise of the bolt cycling is as loud as the report of the air release. The guys the original poster noted were using pump markers and can minimize this noise, making a silencer effective for them, but usually ineffective for others.

I own 2 PVC silencers, but never use them. Why? No I'm not worried about them being ruled as illegal, particularly after talking to an ATF agent who had been part of the local office's firearms team for a few years. I don't use them for two reasons:

• They are big, heavy and bulky.
• I don't think it does enough to justify reason #1, though that may be design flaw since I remember friend's store bought silencers in the old days working better.

Now, I said I talked to the ATF agent and I am also not worried abotu them for two reasons:

• He said that really isn't a concern of the ATF, even in post-9/11 America. Yes its a law, but such a minor issue in the face of real problems like automatic weapons (real ones).
• I don't think they would count as a silencer anyway because I don't think they even reduce half the sound of my paintball marker. And even if it could be adapted to a real weapon, it would do less good on it than on my paintball marker.

So what did I do? took off my stock barrel and put a ported J&J Ceramic barrel on my SL-68. No more silencer attaching by my own choice.

Edit - And FYI, you can buy fake silencers for several Tippmann markers from some of the Mil-Sim dealers.

You Wont See Me wrote: There you go, did you all hear that $50,000/5yr prison fine + court/Lawyer cost, if you get caught with a unregistered Silencer You've been warned. Consider yourselves owned.

you are an idiot...

repeat threads may be cloggin up the forum but repeat posts are too...

who gives a flying **edited** about your post it has been said numerous times...

tippynewb wrote: can u just use one for looks like the big machine gun ends? i tried and it didn't change the sound at all

Dunno if anyone said anything about this but the "big machine gun ends" are to help eliminate flash, unless your talking about the thing that goes all the way up and down that has holes in it, thats to help disipate heat.

YWSM, like I mentioned some states classify paintball guns as a firearm. That fits them under the ATF definition where porting is illegal.

Sure, I would be useless on most firearms to drill holes in it, but if a paintball gun is classified as a firearm, then the porting that is reducing the report is illegal. I'm not supporting building silencers that are built wrong. You don't need the cotton and what not- you just need a large chamber with holes. Like the compression barrel.

Jonsblckhwk wrote: You Wont See Me wrote: There you go, did you all hear that $50,000/5yr prison fine + court/Lawyer cost, if you get caught with a unregistered Silencer You've been warned. Consider yourselves owned.   you are an idiot... repeat threads may be cloggin up the forum but repeat posts are too... who gives a flying **edited** about your post it has been said numerous times...

Jon,

It's not personal, if you don't like the information received from others, you have the right to simlply disreguard it.  However if you resort to flaming and name calling you look like a punk and a looser.

And to everyone else, if you are not sure whether painball silencers are legal or not, simply talk to your local sheriff.  The sheriff in my county has told me that unless I do something really stupid, like run down the street shooting houses, the paintball silencers that I have are not worth prosecuting.  It also pays to be on good relations with the local cops because I also got written permission to use an abandoned city building for my team. 

Paintball+wharehouse+downtown=cool 

were i live you can make one. all the law said about them is that you cant modify them to fit a real gun

patdh1028 wrote: it is hard to make working silencers for paintball because what they do is let the hot gas from firing a round expand in a controlled environment. the gasses used in paintball are not hot enough to need to be controlled, and the sound coming from your gun is made by the cycling of the bolt and whatnot. so a working silencer is unnecessary.

A silencer or suppressor allows gas from the barrel to expand in an enclosed chamber, whether it is hot or not.  With the exception of a supersonic bullet, the sound coming from the barrel of a firearm or paintball gun is caused by rapidly expanding gas.  A practical example of this is to pop a balloon.  The air inside the balloon is at a higher pressure than the surrounding air, and when released suddenly makes noise.  Now consider, the pressure at the barrel of apintball gun is usually around 600-700psi.  The pressure of the surrounding air at sea level is 1psi.  A suppressor allows this pressure to be let into a larger enclosed space so that the pressure leaving the barrel is reduced overall.  Which is also why a ported barrel is quieter than an unported barrel. 

dangit

You are describing two totally different situations.

Hiring a hit man is illegal because you are making a contract with someone to conduct a crime. As a result, you become an accessory or accomplice (I'm not sure which) and would be charged either as an accomplice or with conspiracy to commit murder.

Telling someone how to build something illegal, even selling a book to make money from it, is not illegal because of the first amendment: the right of free speech. There are many examples of book like that which cannot be classified as illegal, especially because they indicate no intent to use the weapons, nor a target for their use I’ve never read it and am not sure of the title.

The question then is just because something is legal, is it moral. The answer is clearly no as we cannot regulate morality. I live in a state that does not classify paintball markers as firearms and I own silencers for my pump paintball marker. While I do not think they work, I will also not provide directions on how I made them because in some states they may be considered to be illegal and thus would be immoral of me to share in an open thread like this and give people the impression that they are always legal without making them take the effort to check their own state laws to confirm it. And the laws are available on the internet, though some of our viewers seem to be completely unable to adequately perform internet searches even inside the confines of a simple forum.

Arbites, for some reason I get the sneaking suspicion that you're talking about the Anrt Ckbk (if you know what this means we're on the same page, otherwise "I don't know what you're talking about, what abbreviation?")

I don't want to spell it out because it'll show up in search engines directing types we don't want here. No body say it, please.

LordJovian wrote: Storm, you are however slightly wrong. The air pressure at sea level is 1 ATM, and 1 ATM is roughly equivalent to 14 psi. Just being picky.

Doh!

I was so busy making my point I missed that.  Thanks.  And don't worry about bieng picky, I'm quick to nit pick too.  Besides, now that you mention it, I think my slide rule is broken.