Call me Irish American
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Topic: Call me Irish American
Posted By: impulse2
Subject: Call me Irish American
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:35pm
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I’m not white I’m Irish American. Black people are called black, or colored, or dark brown their called African American. I have a South African who is white. I don't see anyone calling him African American. Everyone calls him white/Caucasian. Mexicans aren't called Mexican American, border jumper’s maybe. Their called Hispanic. Asian people aren't called Asian American, or yellow their called Oriental. Indians aren't called Indian American/ American Indian but rather just Indian. Now you have Native American. These are top guys seeing their name is Native American. We don't we just call them people we stole land from and killed and now live on reservations and laugh at us with all their $. So the only people out there are called someone with American after it is Indians and Black people. Most dominantly black people for that matter. I’m Irish but you don't see anyone calling me Irish American. I’m just white. My friend is German you don't see people calling him German American. So why are black people called African American? Not everyone is Africa is black. A lot of South African people are white.
So for now on I want to be addressed Irish American. ------------- 
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:36pm
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Okay, have fun
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Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:37pm
| I"m english american |
Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:39pm
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No.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:41pm
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Nice job of throwing alot of derogetory slang in your little rant. Too bad most Asians dont live in to Orient.
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:42pm
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asian people do NOT like to be called Oriental
im French/Russian and born in canada |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 11:51pm
| Idiot. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:42am
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I dont know any african americans. To be african american, you have to have been born in africa. If not, you are just black in my eyes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:47am
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Thank you DBibeau, if your born in America your American. Why did another country/continent infront of it. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:14am
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Just a question, whats with all the racism and shoot em up threads? Did you crack or something? Or did you finaly figure out its just a stupid online forum or something? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:21am
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Stupid online forum -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:22am
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Thats what i figured. Mhmm ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:24am
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Do you think I will get a strike for this thread? Meh -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:26am
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You could i guess. I dont think you said anything too too terrible. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:27am
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Hopefully. Voicing my opinion. I didn't swear and don't think there are any racial slurs. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:29am
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Yeah, it sounds like you are trying to be inflametory, but im not sure if thats a strikable offence. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:30am
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If it's a stupid online forum why do you persistently come back? ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:30am
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I guess I'll find out. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:31am
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I dont think you intentionally did it but calling someone Oriential is considered taboo. People are not oriential, objects are like rugs and noodles. Since the orient is a very region in Asia, most Asians find it offensive to be called Oriental.
It is like calling all Americans, Rhode Islanders. Oh and your border jumpers comment is offensive to most too. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:34am
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No, its really more like calling yourself an american.. Because Choop is an american. And everyone in venezuala is also an american. Same thing.
And really, people get offended too easily, you are from the region known as the orient, you are oriental, its a name given by our culture to identify a region. Thats all. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:35am
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Choop is considered a Canadian. Even though you might consider Canada part of the Americas. Also, not all asians are from the orient, so you wouldn't classify them as that. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:38am
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Canada is part of North America. He is an American, he is Canadian. Everyone from the bottom tip of Chile, to the tippy top of Alaska, is American. Just like Indians are Asian. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:40am
Yeah because the billion people in china and another half billion in India all live in the Orient  They are Asians because they live on the continent of Asia not the Orient.
Also those people you listed are Americans because they live in the North and South American Continents. Therefore everyone not living in Rhode Island should not be called Rhode Islanders but Americans, or more general, North Americans. |
Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:41am
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Please let this be a logical discussion. Im sure you guys won't turn it into a flame fest. Thank you. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:42am
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NO. They live in Rhode Island, they are Rhode Islanders.
And i know that India isnt in the orient. I never said it was. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:43am
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o·ri·en·tal Audio pronunciation of "oriental" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-ntl, r-)
adj. 1. often Oriental Of or relating to the countries of the Orient or their peoples or cultures; eastern. 2. Oriental Of or designating the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the Himalaya Mountains and the islands of the Malay Archipelago. 3. Lustrous and valuable: oriental pearls. 4. 1. Of or relating to a genuine or superior gem: an oriental ruby. 2. Relating to or designating corundum that resembles another stone in color. I think this logical discussion is done. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:47am
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Wooo hooo
It really doesnt matter. The average person will call Asian Countries oriental. They will call the far east Oriental, oriental cuisine, oriental people. ect ect. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:48am
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Correct, I agree that Rhode Islanders can be called Rhode Islanders, but no one that does not live in Rhode Island should be called that correct?
Therefore, every Asian that does live in a fictious region which is most of them do not, are offended being called oriental. Even the ones that come from the oriental region do not like being refered to as Oriental because that isnt a place except in the mind of the white man and it groups together completely different cultures into one group that has never existed nor will exsist but in the minds of the ignorant white man. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:51am
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Tuff? There is no such thing as race. Race is completely relative to the culture using the term.
What you are talking about is grouping together disimilar ethnic groups. That is not what we are doing. We are grouping together a group of people that share a region. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:00am
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Like I said the region doesnt exist but in the minds of ignorant people. It a region created beacues of the commerce activities, therefore objects created from that region can be call oriental. Since people are not objects of commerce anymore, in most of the civilzed world refering to them as objects of that region is offensive.
Too bad the region you are using to describe 2 billion people using to is actually home to a very small percentage to them. Hurray! Ignorance has struck again..... Also Impulse is incorrect on his hispanic and African American rant. The labels you are complaining about dont refer to the previous location you parents lived in, it refers to the race your ancestors live/ breed with thousands of years ago before the population of the globe became to be so diverse. |
Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:03am
Thanks Hades, I'm wrong again. You are so right and always right. Why can't I be like you. You rule. I'm going to cook you a big batch of cookies just for you that's how much you rule. Oh and I love you. Never forget that.  -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:04am
I am wrong, I just use the edit button. 
I heart you too. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:08am
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Oriental is an accepted name of the lands of the far east. Deal with it.. Chinese, Korean, Cambodian, Laotion, all these countries are comonly refered to as being in "The Orient" The boarders of what people call "The Orient" are ambiguous and vauge at best. The orient is a term like "Middle East" "North East" "Eastern Europe" "The South" It refers to an area.
What i mean is. Billy is from what people call "The South" our friend billy lives in Georgia. John Lee lives in what some people call "The Orient" He lives in china. John lives in Beijing. Billy is Southern John is Oriental ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:12am
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Thanks, Hades realize I do care that I'm right most of the time. But when it comes to topics like this I mostly don't. Call it ignorance is a large part of racism. Racism/discrimination/prejudice is brought on how your grown up. My parents weren't the most racist people in the world but the small affect rubbed off on me. But after hearing terms like African American etc etc I'm sick of it. Hating/disliking another race is the worst thing to due. Becuase the only thing that happens is other races complain that white people are racist against them. So in the end you get more crap. So I come on here and blow off steam. Instead of going out and finding the nearest person same race or not and jumping them like other people due. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:15am
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People need to realize, that are all neighbors, we are citizens of the US. In the down home sense of the word. We are "American" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:32am
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I understand that your here to blow of steam, I do it too. I am grateful that your willing to listen to what others have to say and while I dont always agree with everyones opinions I try to see where they are coming from and help out if I can.
Take care and good luck. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:36am
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Its good you come here to blow off steam. Ever try breaking plates? My mom used to break plates. We would eat off of paper plates. The china and coffe mugs were for breaking. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:56am
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Calling someone oriental is no longer politicly
correct for whatever reason, I never looked into it. And I know if you want to get as broad as possible, I'm a North American (not american, its different) but on any legal documents, anywhere in the world, I'd be canadian. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 7:44am
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The fact that this sort of thing even bothers you is kind of pathetic.
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Posted By: impulse2
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 10:57am
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Thanks Ejp. I thought you died. But looks like your still breathing. Good to see. -------------
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:05am
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Serisouly, people need to get it through their thick heads that having differnt names, "african" american or "irish" amercan, just adds to segregation.
Everyone here is american, no matter what. You should only be "African" american if you MOVE from africa... and ONLY THEN. We don't move to china and called an American chinaman, do we? ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:09am
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So, Bugg/Impulse - Have you made an honest (and I mean HONEST) effort to understand why it is that some people prefer to be called "X-American", or did you jump straight to "don't like it"? When people feel strongly about this type of thing, there is usually a reason... |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:14am
yes, clark, I did try and understand, it's about their historya nd their heritage, but it just adds to further seperation. period. I'm not against it couse I'm some 16 y/o republican thats for war, I'm against it becasue I think at this time in our history, it's mor eimportant for our country to stand together and not seprate. I mean, I am only seperated from Europe by one generation. I have a lot of Black Foot indian in me, yet I don't say "Call me a Eurpopean Black Foot American" couse that would be dumb. We are all americans, as long as you are a citizen that is. If you aren't happy enough to just call yourself an American, leave. -------------
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Clark Kent wrote:Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:24am
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Lesbians aren't a race/ethnic group...
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Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:33am
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Bugg, aren't you being more harmful to freedom by trying to make everyone go through a cookie cutter process and make us all "generic Americans"? Sounds like communism to me, no one different and everyone equal.
Our differences are what makes us special, Bugg. Our acceptance of this is what makes our country worth fighting for. If everyone thought we should be the same, we would be in a sad place indeed. |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:34am
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Supposedly my cousin 13 times removed was the Williams guy that founded
Rhode Island, yay. But I am like 1/8 German, 2/8 Irish, 1/2
English, 1/8 Native American and other stuff. Yea, I skipped all of the pages, didn't realize this was a debate. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:40am
Holy contradictions batman! If each and every single citizen is equal...why would they want a title added to their name to distinguish them from others? Doesn't make much sense to me, that if a person wants to be seen just as everyone else, treated equally and whatnot, but then they add something to their title, and ask for certain benifits. That's not equality, thats an attempt at superiority (in some cases, by no means all cases, at all) |
Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:51am
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I'm confused, Choopie. Are you talking about communists, republicans, or both?
I honestly don't know if you're agreeing with me, or trying to argue a point that I'm missing. Who is adding titles and whatnot? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:10pm
| Yes? I don't know, it just bugs me when a group of people are saying that all they want is equality...then they ask for tons of special priviledges. I know things happened in the past, but no-one will ever get over them/ obtain true equality if they keep bringing it up. Multiple groups do this. |
Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:20pm
| The point here, as best I can tell, isn't groups that want equality, but groups that want to keep their identity. The "no one different and everyone equal" comment was more in reference to old soviet communism and its eerie similarities to Bugg's America. One where everyone does everything for the good of Mother Rus--, er...the united states. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:24pm
| Well as the U.S.A. is right now, it's operating in a rather socialist manner. Look at the size of the military, and the budget... a pretty socialist move. We talk about this junk in history all the time |
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Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:46pm
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Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:47pm
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:55pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 12:58pm
| You can take offense all you like, Bugg, but that is still what you are sounding like... essentially you are objecting to people protecting their individuality, and you are encouraging an "everybody is the same" mentality. That's pretty darn communist. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:02pm
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Wouldnt it be American-Chinese, not American-Chinaman?
Doesnt sound so silly now does it? |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:12pm
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^^^ I dunno hades
Not quite Clark. I'm not saying don't have an ethnic background. But don't go around saying "call me an african/chinese/irish american." If you are in America and are a citizen, you are american. Period. No debates, not loop holes, no nothing. Like I stated before, you don't move to a different country and call yourself an American (country) I've never heard of American chinese american irish american english (name, not language) american south african I'm fine with different heritages, that's what makes our countyr great, a mixing bowl. But if you promote seperations by area of heritage, you in essence, promote seperation of our people. Not everyone is the same, I don't know anyone else likes Hades, don't know anyone else like you clark, everyone is different. BUT, you are still american, no matter how much hades wants to be from hell 
You are still american no matter where your family is from, I'm part german, english, black foot, inuit, and a bunch of other stuff. But it would be weird if I called my self an "English German Black Foot Inuit American" I'ts one thing to say you are of irish desent (sp) it's another to jus go around saying, and in essense, rubbing it in everyones face, where your family, not you, is from. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:12pm
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I don't think anybody is saying "don't call me 'American'". If black people want to be called "African-American" it isn't instead of "American" - it's instead of some other term to specifically denote their skin color. That doesn't make them any less Americans. When Irish-Americans go nuts on St. Patrick's day, they are all "Irish-Americans" or just "Irish". Then, the next day, they go back to being "American". It's all about context. When in France, I don't expect that a lot of black Americans will introduce themselves as "Hi - I'm African-American". They are simply American. But when discussing race issues on NPR (or whatever), then suddenly "African-American" is quite relevant. Walking around on the street with a sign that said "English German Black Foot Inuit American" would be strange, yes. But wearing that same sign during this discussion (or in that other thread you started), for instance, makes perfect sense. You are incorrectly comparing "African-American" to "American". Those two terms are not inconsistent. The correct comparison is "African-American" to "black" or "negro" or "colored" or "nig.ger". These are all terms used to address a very specific feature of a very specific group, and is quite relevant when discussing that feature or the group. And doesn't it make sense that members of the group should be the ones to decide what they want to be called? Your name is "Bugg" - at least here. I could, I guess, decide that I think that is a silly name, and start calling you "Bilbo", for instance. I might argue how "Bugg" is spelled incorrectly, and doesn't accurately describe you. Would that be appropriate? Of course not. YOU chose your name, because it is YOUR name. It isn't for me to decide what YOUR name should be. Similarly, should black people get to decide what they want to be called? Isn't a bit presumtuous for white folk to decide what black people should be called? |
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Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:17pm
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:24pm
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I think American should be considered a new ethnic race, because Americans are the most diverse people on the planet, and it is starting to get confusing. Take me for example, I am an Anglo-German-Finnish-Scottish-French-Indian-American, so what do I put for my ethnenticity? For this reason I believe that any American citizen who’s family has lived in this country for at least four generations, and is a Heinz 57 like me, I believe that they’re ethnenticity should be considered American and nothing else. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:50pm
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Most of us do, Vigilante. But it isn't my right to tell those that want to show their heritage, no matter how muddy(or clear) that water is, that they are wrong, stupid, and damaging our country by being different.
A question for bugg: Why do you call yourself a republican, and not just a voter? After all, aren't all parties just groups of one common, American voter? And really, don't you think that the political wars are far more dividing(and damaging) to our country than any bouts of cultural freedom? |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:54pm
Depends, if the color of your skin is white, put white. If its black, put black, if its in between, put multi-racial. Its just that simple. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:19pm
I don’t think color matters, just as long as you are a combination of many different ethnic races and all of your emediate family is American citizens, then your race should be American and nothing else. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:22pm
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meh... i'd much rather consider myself czech and whatever else i have in me and not american... those are my roots. the US is a very very young country compared to where we all came from. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:23pm
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:25pm
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too bad the living conditions on a lot of reservations are similar to 2.5 world countries
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:26pm
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Thats not our faults at all.... -------------
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:30pm
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I don’t think that being different in general is damaging, in fact that is what makes us Americans, we are different, a melting pot. But there are certain things that are extremely damaging and un-American, for example: Racism is wrong and un-American, as well as damaging, and I also believe that we as Americans should all be able to speak American ( not English, and yes, most countries, colleges, and linguistic experts agree that American and English are two different languages.) because we may all have our own “mini- cultures” but what makes us one nation, is one language. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:33pm
Well thats just not true. The beauty in America is the ability to speak whatever language you darn well please. What exactilly do you prepose to make everyone speak "American"? -------------
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:34pm
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racism is un-american?... thats why it was around soooo much in our history... its wrong... but i really wouldn't say that it is "un-american" |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:34pm
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Where did the language come from all of a sudden...? Is this the part where this thread derails into "OMGZOZRZ t3h wetbax mut lern gud englsish!!11!!"? (Not to get ahead of myself or anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:35pm
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lol - "Racism - it's the American Way!! |
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Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:37pm
Yeah, and somebody shares a story that their friends uncle's buddy going to McDonalds and nobody speaking English...Even though that has never happened once.... -------------
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:38pm
heh... it was up to about 30-40 years ago |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:38pm
No no, you misunderstood me, I don’t think anyone should speak American and American only, you should be allowed to speak any language you want. What I was saying is that Americans should all have to be able to speak American. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:39pm
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Have you ever noticed on the school tests (like the state ones) when it
asks race it has: White, African American, Hispanic, Multiracial, other. Why are we white??? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:39pm
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Is it just me, or is the "English-only" crowd disproportionately represented by people who could use a few English lessons themselves...?
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:40pm
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well that would be discrimination... directed to vigilante's comment about having to be able to speak "american" if they are an "american"... honestly... i'm willing to bet most american citizens are able to speak english... hell... most people from other countries with other main languages speak english... and trust me... i think it's close enough to "american" for all of us to understand |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:40pm
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*Reminds himself he is not allowed to rant*
*EDIT* By the way, you guys should know before reading this, that I haven't read any previous posts, except the very first one. Also, keeping it short only worked a little bit...it's not really short. I'm going to try to keep this short: People are way too worried about their ethnicity. Period. Just what I've noticed. I'm Czech, Greek, German, and a bunch of other random stuff which is really too small to count. My mother is a 2nd generation American. Her parents moved here from Czechloslovakia(I bet I butchered that, but it's unimportant) and Greece. I'm personally very attached to both my Czech and Greek roots, and my German heritage is important to me because I'm proud of the culture that has been Germany since the time of Jesus and the Roman Empire(doesn't even deserve it's "Holy"). That doesn't mean I see war everytime someone talks about one of those countries-because I'm American. Whether I want to be or not, I'm stuck with it. I'm proud of my country, and I don't think age has a single thing to do with it. If you want to talk about young countries, why aren't we talking about Germany, almost all of the Middle Eastern countries, or for that matter, Africa. None of them have existed in the forms they exist in now as long as we have. Age has nothing to do with power. We(Americans) live in the most powerful country on the face of the Earth. No one is debating that, even when they debate how right or wrong we are. Mostly, Americans don't think about what they have become by coming here-so think about it. Whether you're Irish, South African, Japanese or Serbian-if you live in America, you're American. Stop taking it for granted. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:41pm
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And if your American parents didn't bother to teach you English, then you get kicked out of the country? Have your citizenship revoked? |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:42pm
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Yes it is un-American, something that is un-American is something that Americans should not do and the government should not support, racism is just that. So if we use your logic, we should all be racist. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:42pm
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Because those are the words people use. If people actually started referring to themselves as "caucasian", the forms would change. "White" is still the normal word. Simple. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:43pm
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:43pm
so why did the gov't support it up to about... oh 35 years ago... |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:43pm
Bump to me because I got cut off on the page. |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:44pm
good point |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:45pm
No, you just require that they are taught American when they go to school. And by the way, as Americans we do not speak English, we speak American. Ask any English teacher or linguistics expert, American and English are two different languages.
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:47pm
Because they were wrong, plain and simple.
Why?
So we all can understand each other in order to be nation. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:48pm
| vigilante needs the title "Capt. America" |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:51pm
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So home schooling is out, unless I agree to teach my kids English? |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:52pm
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How about I call you an ignorant fool? It's fits you better.
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:54pm
No, I have to admit that I haven’t thought about that one enough, but you must agree that we cannot be one nation if we don’t speak the same language. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:56pm
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Why? Many countries (including the US) don't all speak the same language. There was never a time in US history when everybody spoke the same language. Not a single day. We seem to have managed somehow... |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:56pm
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The french have strict standards as far as citizenship is concerned, you must pass a language test. This would be a good thing for the US. As far as state of emergencies are concerned, traffic stops, and overall easyness is concerned, it would be great. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:58pm
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i don't know... i consider myself to speak english... thats what all my
teachers and proffesors have called it so far... so thats what i'm
going to call it. Granted, we americanized the language a bit... but its still english. Calling it american is like calling french toast and french fries freedom toast and fries... which i find rediculous. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:59pm
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Citizenship is all well and fine... But millions of people live in the US (legally) who are not citizens... Are we going to impose language requirements on them also? |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 5:59pm
Well, look at our military, you have to speak American in order to be in it because you can’t fallow orders if you don’t know what your commander is saying. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 6:00pm
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Sure - there are many benefits to English skills, and many jobs where it is a requirement. That is seriously different, however, from saying that you flat out have to speak English. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 6:02pm
If they’re not citizens then they are not Americans, you have to be able to vote in order to be a citizen, or visa versa. And in order to be an underage citizen your parents must be citizens. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 May 2005 at 6:13pm
| Even if we all spoke "English," I still would not be able to understand half the words spoken by someone with an accent different than mine. Ever hear a conversation between a person with a Southern accent, a texas Drawl, a New England/ Boston Accent and a New York accent and someone that is from the West Coast/Oakland area they will all sound different and will be hard to under stand. |