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Sounds like a good plan.

In problem #2 you make it sound like gravity is a constant velocity, but it is an acceleration. g= -9.8 meters/seconds squared. Your solution for #2 could go a little further. I don't know what the blades you mentioned look like, but how about having the blades shaped to have a tilt like an airplane prop. Where the balls chamber have an angled feed ramp opposite the tangent off your blade. Then you wouldn't have to rely on gravity, the rotation would assist and screw them in there. Don't worry about the weight of the internals, the static friction they have to overcome is minimal and once moving the extra weight may help you with consistent torque like a flywheel. 

Problem #3. Think about raw materials, you don't want this thing getting too expensive. Injection molded plastic doesn't need expensive machining like metal, and it isn't too heavy. How about polished stamped aluminum with a good metal conditioner.

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This section got a little more action since I posted this, mayhaps I could get some more feedback (or flames).

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If you raised the cyclone feeder, so you have contact on blade, ball, then feed ramp to guide the ball into chamber. The blade could not crush a ball because the ball would slip under it and down against the feed ramp (via contour), next ball could even help push it. Like I said, only a half baked idea.

My concern about your flexible blades is that they may end up to flimsy and need replacing, or skip balls in high RPM.

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Cyclone + 98 = garbage

I hated it. I fired it with RT  and it went slower than it would have on a A-5 this may be due to some technical error on my part but it felt bulky and dumb. I recommend an egg instead of it.

It costs just under $60.

If you must have the Cyclone then just have someone else do it for you or buy it.

Also, I'm going to hook the cyclone ack up to the 98 and try this to see if it works, I'll let you know.

As far as I know about the WAS board- it's pretty much similar to all the other ones. I belive you can write programs for it, add eyes, change the ROF etc. The only thing I don't think it will support would be an LCD screen.

I haven't had a chance to mess with the 98C cyclone at all. Is there a chance you didn't lube the Cyclone when you put it on? I hear many folks saying crap about not putting oil in the Cyclone, but I've had no problem with it.

The QEV was mentioned earlier, but I don't think I'd want to add that kind of real estate to the cyclone piston. More knobs and whatnot for stuff to hang on. When I build the prototype I might try out both ideas. I'd imagine though it may be difficult to thread the piston without screwing the QEV in the path of the piston. Plus I have no way to thread anything I drill, unless I take it to a guy I know. I plan to test out the porting first, and if the results aren't desirable I'll give the QEV a go.

I was wondering when you'd get around to checking this out Enos.

^Pirate^ wrote: Cyclone + 98 = garbage I hated it. I fired it with RT  and it went slower than it would have on a A-5 this may be due to some technical error on my part but it felt bulky and dumb. I recommend an egg instead of it. It costs just under $60. If you must have the Cyclone then just have someone else do it for you or buy it. Also, I'm going to hook the cyclone ack up to the 98 and try this to see if it works, I'll let you know.

wait you just dropped an A-5 cyclone onto a 98?  Why doesnt everybody just do that? Or tippmann just sell the cyclone seperately?  hmmm i want to know when it comes out as my halo is busted..

Ok....either im really dumb and missed someting or im right about this.  how did you get an A-5 cyclone on the 98c?  The A-5 cyclone requires a WAY bigger feeding tube than any ive ever seen on a 98c

What do you mean feeding tube? The breech is the same size- all he really had to do was attach it onto the gun and find something to act as the metal spike. The air supply would go right into the R/T opening on a 98C.

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Yes, I'm gonna make it. Like I mentioned before, there's no point to making it yet without a way to test it. I pretty much have to wait for the WAS board to come out.

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LordJovian wrote: Solutions: 2. Molded rubber/ silicone blades. Similar to those paddle fan upgrades found in the Revvy, this can give the blades a little more forgiving flexure on the balls trying to drop between the blades. This can also help lighten the weight on the spindle, thus reducing friction, and allow the Cyclone spring to return to its original position quicker.

The other two solutions sound good but funny thing is I was thinking of the issue of number two on A5OG. I do not think an all flexible blade would throw the paint into the breach fast enough. One of the real limitations with the speed of the cycolne is not how fast it can through the paint in, but how the rotational speed of the blades actually prevents gravity from dropping paint into the 5 sprocket spaces. the spinning blades end up bouncing the balls up and away from them because of the stiff upper part of the sprocket.

I think the solution may be to keep the stiff lower (feeding) part of the sprocket, but either make the 2 armed upper part of the sprocket soft or add a set of soft arms above that to stir the balls and prevent them from being bounced back up away from the feed wholes. This problem is particularly evident when the hopper is less than half full (even somewhat an issue when less than 3/4).

How does that sound?

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Sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately, I have yet to begin due to problems with the office I owrk at. We've been forced to re-locate and our network was hastily put together horribly. I've recently re-built it, and should have the time to focus on this awesome idea.

That idea for the blades is a good one- I was racking my mind trying to figure out how to get the blades stiff enough but also flexible enough. Thanks.

qloader is coming out with a adapter for the a5 and it will keep up with r/t and the new was board? for the 98 guys is it a money thing? my halo b with victory board and rip drive keeps up to my was boarded pro e no problem?

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bigbadgixxer wrote: qloader is coming out with a adapter for the a5 and it will keep up with r/t and the new was board? tim

God i hope so^

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No, no. Modifying the spring might be able to squeeze 1 more bps out. Overall, I'm expecting at least 20 bps, and aiming for 22 bps. If it gets even higher, by seem shear amount of luck, that would, of course, also be awesome

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Huh. Are you saying you CAN or thats what you want?

I know for a fact (yeah, it's a fact) that the Cyclone cannot feed that fast in its stock configuration. A lot of n00bs will over rate what they're hearing (I just had some this weekend think my A-5 was shooting 25 bps- I wish) with high rates of fire. I'm sure you've used a stopwatch before- 15 bps makes the gun firing noise 15 times in one second. You can't count that audibly. You can't count 20, 25, or 30. Now, if you've been around these ROF's for a while you can tell the difference and distinguish between them. But no one can actually count the ROF. Autocockers also sound like they're shooting twice as fast as they really are, because the back block is slapping around inbetween shots and really screws up what you're actually hearing.

Ah, I see now. Your one-liner above didn't make much sense.

*note* I have edited my responses to remove the exact details from a publicly accessible forum. I know you all want to start trying your own hand at it, but it is stupid of me to leave these details out. I have catalogged and copied my posts locally to my HDD. Hopefully most of you who have read this can remember enough to get started.

Good luck VT.