Emergency Petition to Save our Courts
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Topic: Emergency Petition to Save our Courts
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Emergency Petition to Save our Courts
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:20pm
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Hi! I just signed MoveOn PAC's emergency petition to stop the "nuclear option" the far right wing's plan to seize absolute power to stack our courts -– and I hope you will sign too. Starting Monday, the petition will be delivered straight to Congress every three hours until the final vote, and many of our comments will be read aloud on the Senate floor. Please sign right now at: http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear - http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear Why is this an emergency? This Tuesday, the Senate will vote on Republican Leader Bill Frist's "nuclear option" to break the rules of the Senate and give the Republican Party absolute control over appointing federal judges. For 200 years the minority's right to filibuster has kept our courts fair, by making sure that federal judges needed to get at least some support from both sides of the aisle before they were given life time appointments. If Frist eliminates the filibuster, his next step would be to force far right partisan judges onto the powerful U.S. Courts of Appeals. The real targets, however, are the four seats on the Supreme Court likely to become vacant in the next four years. With that much power on the Supreme Court, the far right could strike down decades of progress on labor rights, environmental protections, reproductive rights, and privacy. The "nuclear option" will live or die by a final vote, probably on Tuesday, and the vote is still way too close to call. There are at least 6 moderate Republicans still on the fence and only 3 more votes needed to win. If we can get enough of our voices into congress and into the streets in the next 72 hours, we can still save our courts. Please take a minute to join me and sign the emergency petition today. http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear - http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear Thanks! At least give it a look guys. Thanks. -------------  |
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:22pm
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Posted By: BLand
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:23pm
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Ryan, seriosuly dude, can you make a thread NOT about some democratic political thing? edit: not a "flame", just noting how strong you are on politics and what not. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:24pm
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Absolute control??? Where's the democracy in that?
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:24pm
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You seem rather ignorant.
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Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:25pm
| Ryan, you have been making a lot of threads about politics. Please slow down a little. Plus, online petitions never work. |
Posted By: glazener24
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:27pm
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Sammy wrote:Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 11:20pm
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Voting on judges does not give anyone absolute control. They still must get a majority vote. Filibusters were never once, in the history of the world used on judges until last year. When the sore loser dems used it. The Constitution spells out situations that require a super majority, judges is NOT one of them. Therefore making the filibuster of a judge unconstitutional. They are merely fixing the Democrat's abuse. Why are you afraid of a moral judge. Gee, is it because you might have a supreme court that can't bend the rules enough to allow same sex marraige and other immoral practices? LOL, give them a vote, then get used to losing. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 11:26pm
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I love how all your arguments and political threads and the like are based on an extreamist liberal organization. Start thinking for yourself buddy. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 11:29pm
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Online petitions....
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:09am
| If you are on a paintball forum, shouldn't you talk about paintball? |
Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:11am
Whats paintball....? ------------- 
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:11am
No... This is T&O. It's nothing paintball related. -------------
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Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:12am
Democrating??? Democratic...? -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:12am
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Upon searching, I find that .Ryan has made a total of.. what.. one? post outside of T&O. That is what I meant, not "T&O must discuss paintball." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/search.asp?KW=.Ryan&SM=1&SI=AR&FM=8&OB=1 - http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/search.asp?KW=. Ryan&SM=1&SI=AR&FM=8&OB=1
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Posted By: paintballu
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:13am
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hybrid, this is T+O, remember?
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:14am
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No. I am off my meds, and I have no idea where I am. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:18am
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Posted By: disturbed*rocks
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:38am
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I'm staying outa this one... ------------- Your gun chops balls. & nbsp; |
Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:41am
| Political parties are just like high school cliques anyway. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 2:50am
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lol....I assure you, in my oh...4 years of being around here(I used to
be paintfreak67) I've made plenty of non-political posts...heck, a few
of them recently...ANYWAY, taking away the filibuster effectively gives
total control of approving judges to the majority PARTY, therefore
placing this countries process of appointing the men who interpret her
constitution under a one party rule. One party rule, even if it is only
with appointing judges(not as minor as it sounds), does not equal
democracy. Look folks, the fact is both parties have their agendas. If
either one, because this will last past '08 if it's passed, gets free
range over putting whatever judges they want on the Supreme Court Bench
then they will abuse it. Republican or Democrat, thats not a good
thing. As of now the Reps have suggested judges that think the minimum
wadge is unconstitutional, believe in slashing environmental protection
laws so much that they must not think global warming will effect them
in their hundred-million dollar homes or something, and refered to
social security as "canabilizing our grandchildren". Do we really not
want any opposition in passing these judges or ones like them? And
don't say that the Rep congressmen and senators don't have to vote on
their party lines, I know this, but the fact is that most of them do
and when they don't it's seen as a bad career move. Democrat,
Republican, of Green Party, do you really want one party to be able to
put whatever kind of biased judges they want in the Supreme Court? I
don't. ps These online petitions will be printed and delivered to congress on the day they vote. It may not work because our representatives have a bad habbit of not caring what their constituents think but it is hardly meaningless. Oh and... Kevin: I'm not caught up on stupid religious...I mean moral...issues. I'm thinking about my future and the future of this country when because the Reps had free rang on appointing yet more neo-con right wing biased judges no one can win a suit against a major corporation and the constitution is basking under the light of Republican opinion. Just because you agree with them doesn't mean that their bias should be allowed to interpret our constitution. Darur: Believe me "buddy", I do think for myself. I used to be hard core republican untill I saw just how fubar they have been in the last five years. The main reason I use stuff from places like moveOn and true majority is that, truthfully, I haven't had time to write up my own stuff. The fact is that I don't really ally myself with one party or the other, I just call things how I see them and choose the lesser of the two evils and to me, right now, that is the dems. Heck, I'd probably disagree with the filibuster ban, and a lot of other things the Reps have been doing if I was a Republican. This stuff is just common sense in my eyes. Call me partisan if you want but, I'm not. Did anyone see the article I posted from the off-topic forums? Thats basically how I feel, I just wish I could express it clearer so that I'm not labeled like I tend to be. Note: This was written at 2:50 AM  ------------- |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 3:09am
The fact remains, when you are looking at things through extreamist groups you will get a view wayyy off whats really happening. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 4:00am
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Well, give me a little more credit than that...I do watch the news and read now and then....
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 9:33am
Ryan, guess you didn't know liberals control the court system, try and get some info before you pst yoru far left wing redortic ------------- 
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 9:43am
they do so. an online petition brought back HFS. ------------- 
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 9:59am
Amen. The Conservatives deserve some representation in the Judicial Branch too.
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:03am
Ohh wow... I watch BOTH CNN and FOX, polar oppisites, you probably watch Al Jazeera for your far left wing views. I read for fun every night from authors like Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler, you read "Farenheit 9/11 Reader" by the dumbest man alive... -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:42am
| The liberals control the court system? Since when? When looking at demographics, there is only one federal circuit that would be seen to regularly lean towards the left. The Supreme Court is even 5-4 in majority of conservative thinkers, how is that liberal controlled? |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:51am
This term Rights control House, Congress and Presidency, Libs control courts. Get used to it, it will be happening a lot more when people finally figure out that the left wing is wrong. EDIT>>> Before I get flamed for that post, left wing has SOME good ideas, i'm not purly right wing every man for himself, but, in general, right wing is right. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:53am
| Liberals do not control the courts. If they did, then we'd have a lot more repealing of stupid laws and policies that have been made for law enforcement, such as three strikes and mandatory minimums. Once again, the court did not rule on Terry Schaivo as liberal, they voted to uphold the law ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:56am
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The judge in the Schiavo case is a pro-life, church-going Republican. If he is a "liberal" then everybody whose name isn't "Hitler" is a liberal.
But on topic - I am not concerned. The voters will sort all this out over time. This is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:58am
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Ehh, tomato tamato
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 10:59am
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How was it a "conservative judge in a liberal court system." The judge and his discretion are the system, there is not liberal to it. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:03am
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You say the system is liberal. It is pointed out that the Supreme Court is hardly liberal, so you say "didn't mean the Supreme Court, I meant guys like the Schiavo judge". It is pointed out that the Schiavo judge isn't liberal either, and you say that doesn't matter. You might try option B: Admit that you are wrong. The thing about judges is that most of them are just that: Judges. They enforce the law as written, and interpret in accordance with precedence, without particular regard for their political views. The Schiavo judge, a staunch political conservative, simply did his job. Just like most judges simply do their jobs. "Liberal judiciary" is the same as "activist judiciary" - code for "a judge that just ruled in a way that I don't like". |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:10am
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I've never said the Supreme Court was liberal, and I could care less becasue there are 9 of em to balence things out.
I'm looking for a new article right now (wow too much searching for this stuff) where a LIBERAL, and I know its a lib, i've read the story before, released a convicted killer becasue the victims family wore buttons that had the victim on it to the court. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:11am
| Give me a break. You're telling me that a judge put all aspects of law aside and used his discretion because he was a little irked at something? Or does your article just alledge that it happened, with no real proof. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:12am
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Good look with that search. :/ |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:14am
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:16am
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Okay, type conservative ruling in the south and have fun as well. If not for some liberal rulings poor Gideon, the Scottsborough boys, and Powell would be just S.O.L. But that's okay, those stupid activist liberal judges just try to spread homosexuality. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:16am
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:37am
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:38am
| So goes the ignorant. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:39am
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:39am
http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal+ruling+in+California&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official - http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal+ruling+in+California& amp;sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=u tf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:e n-US:officia uh...too bad there are 556,000 results for the search  http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal+ruling+in+California&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official - l |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:39am
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:41am
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Ignorant does not equate to correctness. You don't like to face facts, even when the facts blatantly prove you're wrong. Or else should we just tell Gideon, the Scottsborough boys, and Powell (only to name a few) that they don't count because they had stupid liberal judges? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:44am
You left out the quotation marks... |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:46am
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:50am
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:52am
| The few liberal judges we have, have done more to support freedoms than you give them credit for. The judicial system is not run by liberals, but by conservatives. At least I'm not complaining about them, just sticking up for the decisions made by a few. |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:53am
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Dune, I never said Liberal judges never did their job. I was stating the fact that there are many more liberal judges than you said there are. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 11:57am
| Did you take a poll? |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 12:02pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:26pm
| Then how do you know they're all liberal? I bet you're just assuming because all other means point to the judiciary branch being largely conservative. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 3:39pm
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Sometimes I wonder if Bugg is just one of the Smittys screwing with us.... ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 3:44pm
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Haha. This thread is awesome. Well done, very entertaining.
This thread is what I imagine it would look like if Mike Tyson ever debated Steven Hawkings about physics. -------------
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 3:46pm
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^LOL^ Only with less biting....so far... ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 3:47pm
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 24 May 2005 at 11:21am
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 24 May 2005 at 11:38am
Yeah.. But its not on 99.1 anymore.. Its on some station i dont receive. And, if the Dems would give the judges a vote, this wouldnt be an option. The democrats, in office and out of office, with this whole bush won thing, they are all acting like a bunch of petulant children. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 May 2005 at 1:11pm
| And what are the republicans doing? Trying to stop the filabuster because they won't get their neocon judges in? Who's acting like children? I find that the people on this forum who refuse to keep open minds about either side to be painfully ridiculous. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 24 May 2005 at 4:27pm
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Hear this: The Dems are whining that they lost. They are trying to
minimize the damage of 4 more years of republican rule. Jesus, just
cause they won they shouldn't be opposed? Do you not realize that that
is one of the chief functions of the second party and that without them
doing so the administation, whichever one is in office, has pretty much
free range over what they do. But ya know, Bush is always right so I
guess we're wasting our time being watchdogs this time around. And like Dune said, only kids change the rules in their favor in the middle of the game... Edit: I guess it's over. The right to filibuster is saved(at least for now) and the babies get their vote for some of their judges. We'll have to see how it turns out later though... ------------- |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 May 2005 at 5:54pm
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