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Topic: autocockers

Posted By: lester98c
Subject: autocockers
Date Posted: 28 May 2005 at 8:57pm

im debating in my head ion or cocker. im wondering what some better cockers are and where you can get them?

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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 28 May 2005 at 10:56pm

I'd go with the cocker. Prostocks are nice. I used to have an 03 vf and really liked it. I sold it an picked up a 98c and Sl68 for woodsball. http://www.pbnation.com - www.pbnation.com and http://www.ebay.com - www.ebay.com are nice for used cockers. Not too sure where you can find a new one.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 29 May 2005 at 5:02pm

I'd suggest the Ion over a 'cocker. It will be slightly less accurate, a lot faster, and signifigantly lighter. Also, a new ProStock is $360(although the 2004's are $280), whereas a new Ion is $280. Even being a 'cocker owner for quite a few months, and having used half a dozen of them, I'd say an Ion owns a stock mechanical 'cocker.

Posted By: slettec
Date Posted: 29 May 2005 at 8:57pm

as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster.

i don't see this as a strength, because you'll save a lot of money on paint using a cocker which is one of the most accurate guns out there. talk about one shot kills, man. if you put the right things on the cocker, it'll rip like crazy and be dead on accurate.

weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really.

a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 May 2005 at 8:43am

slettec wrote:

as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster.

weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really.

a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

The Ion isn't inaccurate, just not dead on, ball on ball accurate like a 'cocker. For speedball, having a bit of a spread can be useful, 'specially for laning.

I own one of the nicest mechanical 'cockers on this forum, and I'd say buy an Ion.

Posted By: P!NK panther
Date Posted: 30 May 2005 at 10:18am

I own a cocker, so i say cocker

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Posted By: P8baller
Date Posted: 30 May 2005 at 11:00am

I'd have to go cocker on this one. Only b/c like the others said the cocker is extremly good in accuracy, and the ion for speed, but you can upgrade your cocker to be a lot fast than the ion, but that means more $.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 30 May 2005 at 5:06pm

I can buy two new Ions, with upgrades, for the price of one new SuperStock.

Here's how it's gonna break down I guess:

If you want to hit the same spot everytime(ie:woodsball, or if you just like incredibly accurate shooting), get the autococker.

If you want to be able to keep up with just about any gun in speedball, and having a ball-on-ball accurate gun isn't necessary to you, get the Ion.

Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 31 May 2005 at 12:54pm

Pariel wrote:

I'd suggest the Ion over a 'cocker. It will be slightly less accurate, a lot faster, and signifigantly lighter. Also, a new ProStock is $360(although the 2004's are $280), whereas a new Ion is $280. Even being a 'cocker owner for quite a few months, and having used half a dozen of them, I'd say an Ion owns a stock mechanical 'cocker.

Was he talking about a mech cocker or an ebladed one? Either way, the ion is gonna be fast, probably faster then the mech cocker. The ebladed cocker will shoot about the same bps. Ion will be more cost effective though.

slettec wrote:

as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster.

weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really.

a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

Weight does matter. I cant go out there with a fully loaded halo, unmilled viking and 114/4500 tank and be expected to move around as fast or agile as if i had say a freestyle with a revvy and a 45/4500 tank. The only thing is, cockers arent as heavy as some people will tell you. My brother just traded his E2 black magic for a freestyle. With his tank and barrel on each the weights were within 4 ounces. Now the Ion will be less accurate if it is not properly maintained or lubed, or if it has a bad paint to barrel match. Consistency is more important in determining accuracy then paint to barrel, and i dont know how good the ions are with maintaining velocity. Either way, im tired of hearing that closed bolt is more accurate then open bolt. Its not. End of story.

Pariel wrote:

slettec wrote:

as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster.

weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really.

a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

Pics and specs of the cocker?

P8baller wrote:

I'd have to go cocker on this one. Only b/c like the others said the cocker is extremly good in accuracy, and the ion for speed, but you can upgrade your cocker to be a lot fast than the ion, but that means more $.

Im tired of debating this accuracy issue. Read my other post in the fastest gun thread on the front page of which gun is best.

Pariel wrote:

I can buy two new Ions, with upgrades, for the price of one new SuperStock.

Here's how it's gonna break down I guess:

If you want to hit the same spot everytime(ie:woodsball, or if you just like incredibly accurate shooting), get the autococker.

If you want to be able to keep up with just about any gun in speedball, and having a ball-on-ball accurate gun isn't necessary to you, get the Ion.

Lets say an ion with upgrades is $300, thats being generous. A superstock is like 550. Thats not the same price. Cocker isnt more accurate. Ion is fast and will keep up with other guns, but so will an e-cocker. Ball on ball accuracy is important no matter which type of paintball youre playing, cause if a guy is sticking his hand or pack out without realizing it, you want to get off like 5 shots quick and you want them going to the same spot.

Bleh, i say youll be happy with either an ion or an e-cocker.

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Posted By: 98_custom22
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 3:53pm

go on ebay you can find some great deals.. i got a new never used 04 prostock with the stuff in my pro for $310

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 6:10pm

I never said an upgraded Ion, I just said an Ion.

Ions go new in the $240 range right now. I can get you a totally tricked out Ion: new barrel, clamping feed neck, new trigger, uni-mount, new regulator, for $425. That's still $125 less than the SuperStock. Plus, if you want a SuperStock to be shooting equally with that, you'd need a new regulator and barrel(most expensive parts of the setup), plus a uni-mount(no on/off on the stock one) and clamping feed neck, and probably a new regulator(not sure how good the current ones are).

Either way, he was talking about a mech 'cocker. Deffiantely not worth it if you can get an Ion.

We already debated the 'cockers thing months ago, and my 'cocker was second only to SeaWolf's only because my ram is still brass, and the whole gun is a gloss black. Plus, I've got one of the few walkable mechanical triggers(without paint...) on this forum, if not the only one.

Overall, accuracy matters a lot more about your paint to barrel match than the gun. You get that paint in a good sized barrel, and you'll be able to blast anything whether you're shooting a Spyder or an Ego.

Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 6:21pm

Its been proven, close bolt guns are not more accurate then open bolt guns.
Being accurate depends on paint to barrel bore match.

Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 6:22pm

It's not the fact that it's closed bolt, it's simply the fact that 'cockers can shoot accurately almost all the time, I'm not really sure why, but they can.

Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 8:05pm

Because they use decent consistant regs. Accuracy depends more on consistency then paint to bore match. Thats why you see lots of people using .692 ULs on their guns. Cause it fits all paint, you wont get barrel breaks from slight deformities, and if the gun is consistent then you wont have a problem with accuracy. Spikes or drops in velocity will cause the balls to go either farther or shorter, meaning they will land farther away or closer to you. This isnt side to side accuracy, but up and down, and simple movements from shooting the gun while trying to hold it steady will cause accuracy to be effected.

I got into an argument with BliNd on IRC, lost my train of thought, whatever.

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Posted By: Bunkerking1337
Date Posted: 01 June 2005 at 9:32pm

Neither is that great. Cockers are slow, heavy, finiky and obsolete compared to the other guns used in tourneys these days. IONS are cheap, light and pretty fast but very unreliable.

Posted By: Bazz
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 5:45pm

just get an ion off of ebay stay away from cockers

Posted By: ritzblitz
Date Posted: 03 June 2005 at 9:25pm

Get an ION.

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