Tough new drug law.
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Topic: Tough new drug law.
Posted By: Badsmitty
Subject: Tough new drug law.
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:03pm
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-1528 - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-1528 summarized: http://www.famm.org/pdfs/Sensenbrenner%20Bill%202005%20Summa ry%20LATEST.pdf - http://www.famm.org/pdfs/Sensenbrenner%20Bill%202005%20Summa ry%20LATEST.pdf even more summarized: http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/wacmoreinfo.asp?item=26179 - http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/wacmoreinfo.asp?it em=26179 This bad boy has made it through committee and is now up for debate. It is long and dry, but it basically says that if you witness or know anyone doing drugs, you have 24 hours to report them or you get two years minimum. It also has a sweet clause about having to assist in the investigation or else. here's some of it: ``SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person The snitch clause: ``(F) the Government certifies that the de- |
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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:04pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:06pm
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This will not be passed. No one will stand for it.
K i see you take a bong hit. I go to the cops and say i saw you. They would either laugh at me, or say so what do you want us to do? What i see is politicians using children to to and get this passed. I think this is just a way the prosecuter can mount charges. You know how if you get pulled over for speeding, you can get wreckless driving, wreckless endagerment, failure to maintain control. And all that mess. But this is a stupid law. They are going after users. Not the supliers, kill the source, dont ruin peoples lives by giving them charges and jail time. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:06pm
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Well that sucks a lot being as I'm friends with all the "pot-heads"...
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Posted By: ritzblitz
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:08pm
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Yikes.
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Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:12pm
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good thing im not a crack head,and my friends arnt |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:19pm
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lester98c wrote:Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:20pm
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Don't nonsensical laws get killed in committee? (I'm really not sure.) This one has already passed that hurdle. |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:22pm
| Well, how will they know if you dont tell them? |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:31pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:32pm
I do not believe so. A commitee is just a small group of people. The congress and senate will not vote this through. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:35pm
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Tailgunner Joe smiles ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: paintballman_13
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:37pm
| Luckily I live where I do. I do not do drugs but I do know people who do. |
Posted By: Dom
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:38pm
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I thought jails were already overcrowded, this is only going to help it
along. Even though if we have the room, I don't find anything wrong
with these laws. And to DBib, it's everyone that involves themselves with drugs that contribute. Most people don't start off supplieing, so they have to start somewhere, and that's actually doing the drugs. Most tend to do both, supply and take the drugs. Also, jail time is not going to ruin these peoples lives, the drugs are ruining their lives. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:45pm
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It's called overkill and a concentration on a problem in which our government only has made worse, not better. Our law enforcement tactics have already failed, and now are laws are failing just as much. |
Posted By: Banshee11B
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:13pm
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It's "old-boy's" government in all its failing glory. Trying to use ideas from the 30 years ago (when they failed the first time) and trying to apply them to the 21st century....
Kind of like a Secretary of Defense that hasn't change any of his ideas since he worked for President Ford...  oops did I let that slip...------------- -Chairborne Ranger- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other human invention in history... ...with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:15pm
Wow now I know I'm lazy. The even more summarized one was too big for me.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:22pm
| If you really need to pinpoint a problem, it's in the lawmakers and the lack of officers in the DEA, border patrol, Customs+Immigration, and police. More guys on the beat, fewer things go down. Our representatives in Congress seem to pass a lot of stupid things-I'd swear some of them are just figureheads. Most of these guys absolutely do not think before casting a vote, and when they do think, it's about whether this means someone will vote for their little project. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:33pm
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First they have to catch the guy doing the drugs, then they have to prove you saw him do it. I don't see how this will pass, but hey, more power to them if it does. I don't typically hang around potheads, so I don't care. You're right Pariel, they need more enforcement on drugs and more strict penalties-there's way too many high-schoolers smoking pot. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:50pm
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^Yeah, let's make the death penalty mandatory for kids who smoke marijuana! Then we wouldn't have to deal with their dry mouths or tight red eyes ever again!
Seriously, I think you should be punished for not doing drugs, and put to death for ratting out your friends. I think people need to be more concerned with finding happiness in their own live's than worrying about what harm a drug is doing to somebody else. If you don't like it, don't do it! It just leaves more drugs for me to absorb. Instead of passing all this legislation and propaganda, we need to simply cater to the demand! I swear, only the government is stupid enough to NOT learn from their mistakes. They should spend more of their time figuring out how to legaly rob us instead of worrying about how to put us all in jail. *NEWSFLASH* Your Senator, Gov, and President don't give a crap about you! they just want your money, and that still doesn't mean they won't throw you in jail. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 6:54pm
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One thing I remember hearing ever since I was a little boy, and something that has always stuck with me:
"There is no lower life form on Earth than a snitch." It really is true......the only comfort is THEY WILL ALL get what's coming to them!!!!!!!!!!! And that includes any lawmaker or politician that supports this whole bunch of unloyal trash. |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 7:01pm
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This is worse than that bill saying passing a joint, bowl, bong,
bubbler, whatever you prefer to smoke out of will get you busted for
"distributing" or whatever the law is,
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 7:03pm
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This would be next to impossible to enforce.
I am strongly for court-mandated rehab for addictive drug offenders (except for dealers, since they're profiting from it), as opposed to imprisonment. People that are addicted to drugs should only be imprisoned if it is clear that they don't want to help themselves. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 7:11pm
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Life in prison???? Holy six flags Bat-man!
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Posted By: redneckdeerhunt
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 7:36pm
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 7:47pm
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It's all about political gain, not solving any drug problem. Legislators that vote in favor of it will be seen as heroes saving the children, and get re-elected, but will make the drug problem worse by putting addicts in prison, where they won't recieve treatment.
Treatment, not punishment. |
Posted By: I <3 my A5
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 8:20pm
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Well, with this and the recent Supreme Court ruling it looks as though all possibilities of decriminilizing MJ in the next few years have gone out the window. Canada here I come! ------------- Smoking Jesus causes testicular cancer. XBL Gamertag: Velcronia for Halo 2 |
Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 8:31pm
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Posted By: Sentinelz
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 8:35pm
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Aight look if ya'll see me in my Astro at the field and there's smoke comin out if anyone asks I'm cookin... I'll hook you up! I give you a burger... ------------- 
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Posted By: jl460u2
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 8:41pm
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[QUOTE=Badsmitty
Don't nonsensical laws get killed in committee? (I'm really not sure.) This one has already passed that hurdle.
yeah its something like that but didn't anyone watch tv on November 2, 2004 (election day)? cause if you did then you know what i'm talkin about here; congress looked like they where sky high and i don't mean one or two but most did i thought it was funny. surprised no one brought up the medical marajuana case in the supreme court, can't believe they turned it down cause hell u can't control weed and its the safest drug on the market, actually would put major Pharmaceutical companies out of busness just for the simple fact that weed helps alot of aliments. P.S. why do we normal people get drug tested but they don't or at least u don't hear about it anyway hell we pay there salaries, wheres the justice in all this. |
Posted By: Sentinelz
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 10:50pm
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I get drug tested and steroid tested weekly... at least. But on a funnier note...
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 10:57pm
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Worst. Proposition. Ever.
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Posted By: I <3 my A5
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 10:59pm
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Kinda off topic but Zesty, did anything new happen with your little run in with the law? ------------- Smoking Jesus causes testicular cancer. XBL Gamertag: Velcronia for Halo 2 |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 11:06pm
There is your answer...the pharmaceutical companies have one of the strongest lobbyist groups. They would raise hell. -------------
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 08 June 2005 at 11:40pm
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Stoped doing pot(gets to expensive) So, this will effect me none...
cant wait to see all the crack heads to start filling up those prisons!
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:05am
Hmmm. Not sure that I agree that. I am sure that are tons of abused kids out there that are happy their siblings told on their parent's wrong doings. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:09am
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Thats not the same thing. Your buddy smoking pot in his basement is not the same as say, someones little sister getting creamed by dad after he has had a few beers. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:12am
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I rather be a free snitch, then a locked up Convict.
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Posted By: Sentinelz
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:26am
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My dad called me once he wanted money.... that was the day I started.... Hating pot that is... -------------
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 8:05am
Yeah since marijuana is addicting, and you have to have it, and you will do anything for it. And if you don't get it, you will call your son asking for money cause its so damn addicting. So, Sentinelz have you ever tried pot? If not, how can you hate it? Your dad calling asking for money doesn't mean he wanted it for pot. I guarantee it wasn't. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sentinelz
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 8:38am
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Firstly, I would like to interpret what I meant by 'hate' I hate it when it is used illegally... Secondly, are you my dad? No? Then Yeah, it was for pot he directly told me he just needed it, just this once... Finally, go piss on a stick light it on fire and shove it down you throat... -------------
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off!Posted By: deathjr89
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 10:14am
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That is the stupidest law iv ever seen. Now being a "pot-head" i can gladly speak 4 all the so called "pot-heads" and say that it wont get passed. plus if i went to jail cause one of my friends ratted on me id have to shoot him.............I HATE NARCS ------------- We're all goin to heck anyways, so why not join the party and live life to the fullest while u still have time. 
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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 10:15am
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Guess I'll have to report 2 kids I know...
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:23pm
Hopefully, it comes back to bite you in the butt and someone rats your sorry ass out. I'd rather be dead and keep my honor than live life a rat. Youd rather sell people out to keep what you want...greedy, selfish, and not someone I would want to be associated with. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:30pm
That's not a snitch, that's a hero. A snitch is someone who tells on another with no positive benefit other than for themselves. They are selfish, worthless people that need to be eradicated from this Earth before any drug user. As to why marijuana is illegal, you guys touched on it: Prescription drugs is a legal, billion dollar industry. Many of these drugs are more dangerous, not as effective, and certainly not as enjoyable as some good ganja. If the government were to admit that there is a truly safe drug, that treats everything from stress to glaucoma to chronic pain to depression, and it CAN BE GROWN FROM A PLANT, then there would be no more Food and Drug administration or crapy pharmaceutical drugs that cost too much and don't do enough. Why can't the government let me treat myself the way I KNOW is best? |
Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:32pm
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That law would suck.
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:36pm
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So does this mean I'm going to have to spend more than $60 for a 1/8 now? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:42pm
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That's just not true. |
Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:45pm
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hugs>drugs... |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:46pm
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Yeah, it's called a rant damnit!
We get to say outlandish things when we go on them...you should try it sometime. Seriously though, do you think Pfizer wants MJ to be legalized? I'm guessing their sales would go down when people figure out they can spend way less(even grow their own!) to have a more effective, safer medication. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 12:55pm
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I think your definititions of snitch and rat doesnt agree with mine, but it is hardly worth debating.
As forth the proposed law, I think it will solve nothing and not have any possitive benifits. It really isnt going to work, just like California's three stikes law. -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:01pm
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What's next, anyone who has ever TALKED about doing or seeing someone do a drug is arrested and thrown in jail? death penalty for admitting to prior drug use?
I think they should ask Bush if he's ever snorted cocaine, and when he says yes, they should slap the cuffs on him and haul him away. But of course, that's never gonna happen. All these cops and politicians pass these laws KNOWING they aren't going to be affected by them...just gonna be a whole bunch more "commoners" spending their lives in jail to make their living. Doesn't bother them none. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:25pm
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lol - fair enough...
That is where you are wrong. Pfizer would LOVE for cannabis to be legal. That just opens up a whole new avenue of research for them. The drug companies make millions of dollars selling drugs based on naturally grown materials. Morphine is the obvious one - just because opium can be grown in a shed doesn't make morphine useless. If pot were legal, the drug companies would do serious research into pot-based drugs. They would make money, and we would get cool new drugs. Win-win. It is simply counter to the laws to economics to presume that drug companies would want to keep cannabis illegal.
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:31pm
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Wait, what does Pfizer do again. Is that another ED medicine like all the rest Ive been seeing everytime I watch baseball on TV? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:33pm
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keeps your shrimpy from going limpy
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:36pm
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Thats what I thoought. Aren't the drugs supposedly making people go blind? Clark? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:38pm
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Clark doesnt have a penis, so I'm guessing she's never tried it... |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:44pm
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Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:48pm
| ...does it work on sheep?....just....curious... |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:49pm
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I think there are side effects for women other than increased libido. I cant recall exactly what they are and maybe my mind is making it up.
Dont they also have a new drug out that increases women's libido that isnt Viagra? Maybe I am mixing hopes with reality. -------------
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:51pm
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Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:54pm
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...hippies...ugh... |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:55pm
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I want to be the person running the study of women and viagra. I think that is a great job. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 1:58pm
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You might try rubbing yourself agaisnt the groin area of a male sheep to get some of his phermones. -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 2:23pm
I see your point, but think you are missing mine. We already know how to use MJ with 100% safety(eating it). If you want the benefits but no negatives, you simply bake up some brownies or something. There is already a THC derived prescription drug on the market, it is called "Marinol." It is much more expensive per dosage and doesn't do as much as the actual grown product. So, legal or not, the active ingredient in the drug is already being prescribed! The fact is, they are doing the research and creating the products, but they suck and are overpriced! Why should I pay outrageous prices for a pill that I did not produce myself and doesn't medicate me properly, when I can grow my own for free? Then, I KNOW what went in to my medicine. If MJ was legal, it is gonna be HEAVILY regulated, to the point where the only people able to work with it would be the government-sponsored companies or big conglomerates with oodles of money....the guy who just wants to grow some pot in his shed is either gonna have to pay heavy fees, or will be breaking the laws anyways. Either way, the government is gonna find a way to make more money from it than they deserve to! That's why the power needs to get back to the average citizen. I know my mother is seriously ill with lupus and some auto-immune diseases among other things. She takes a whole slew of drugs to keep her going. She says MJ would take the place of all these EXPENSIVE drugs, but she is scared of getting in trouble. Quite honestly, this makes me sick to my stomach that someone in the MOST FREE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD must live their life worrying about getting money for their next prescription! If cannabis were legal outright, more people would be open to it and experiement, It is my opinion that once this happens, people will realize that they don't need to rely on overpriced prescription drugs, and will start becoming self-sufficient, self-medicators. Quite honestly, it's just a personal thing, and I personally have some serious issues that are best treated by marijuana. I just need some dried, cured buds. I am thankful for that. |
Posted By: One Love
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 2:26pm
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Freedom of choice without harm to others. I'm pretty sure drug users and non-drug users alike can agree on that phrase.. Nobody gets hurt, everyone is happy and making their own choices. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 2:32pm
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That bill is ridiculous.
On the first page, someone (maybe Dom, I can't remember), said "Being thrown in jail isn't ruining their lives, drugs are!" I want everyone to think about this for a moment. We have 2 people; both have worked at General Motors for 15 years. They are both 7th-level engineers, and make good yearly wages. Their bosses like both of them because they take care of their work, don't give management a hard time, and are good workers in general. Now, one of these two workers gets busted for use of marijuana. He is fired from his job and thrown in prison. General Motors now hires a less competent, newer person to fill the other worker's job. He's not as good at the job, he shows up late constantly, and he has a problem with authority BUT he doesn't smoke weed, so he's automatically a better person/employee. If you don't see something flawed in that logic, then I say you are a fool. Marijuana does not ruin anyone's life. The GOVERNMENT and SOCIETY, ruin people's lives because they are either too ignorant or too stubborn to see that the 1950's concept of "reefer madness" was nothing but paranoia. There is no reason to imprison productive members of society over something that harms no one. If the government made "soft drugs" legal and stopped spending hundreds of billions of dollars on preventing Columbian reefer shipments from entering the US, we would have a lot more money to focus on things that actual MATTER (IE: alternative fuel sources, a better infrastructure, new oil refineries, etc.). ------------- 
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 2:38pm
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Its the stereotype that all stoners are lazy and worthless.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 2:40pm
| Somebody made the law. That means that somebody benefits from it. You figure out who that someone is, and you've got your finger right where you need to start the process. I don't think it's the drug companies, they're just in it for the money, and I don't see them losing a ton of cash from this, and Uncle Sam probably doesn't want to spend all this money looking for drugs, so who is? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 2:49pm
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The politicians (probably Republicans, who I am growing increasingly irritated with) who want to say "ZOMG, we took a dirty pot-head off the street! Now your children are safe! Don't worry about that convicted rapist who just got out on bond, because we've got the stoners locked up!" -------------
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 3:08pm
And this is a fine example of how to get strike 2. Mess up once more. I double dog dare you. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:21pm
Decocrats are the ones that like bond and early release so much.. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:28pm
| The laws, stigmas, and horrible policies surrounding marijuana use are FAR MORE HARMFUL than the actual drug could ever be, in any of its forms. |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:29pm
Oh i love this stereotype, mostly because i am in it. Old friends pass by me in the halls "BURN OUT!!!" Truth is, i do much better in school than they do, i have a job, i make my own money, i do what i am sapposed to, and i don't get in trouble. They, on the other hand, are the complete negative. Now, If i can make money for myself, and i decide to buy marijuana, i don't think you should get penalized for something you bought with your own money. The governement sucks, really. They put these nasty images of drug abusers in our minds. They tell us complete bullcrap about drugs. Now, of coarse some of them are bad, but thatd not the point, if the person buys the drugs with their own money, they should be allowed to buy what they want, and people should be allowed to do whatever they want to their own bodies. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:32pm
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So by that theory, If I make my own money, I should be able to buy child pornography? ------------- 
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:33pm
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I would say most drugs that are illegal deserve to be. Marijuana, no, it shouldn't be. Like I said, someone is making money off this, once you find out who, you can find out how to stop this.
You shouldn't be allowed to do whatever you want, even to your own body. Some things are done for your own good. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:50pm
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Then why are ciggeretes and alcohol legal? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 4:54pm
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I'm not saying they should be.
They're legal because they're established drugs, and the people making them have a lot of money and power. Personally, I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but I do think tobacco should be. It has no medicinal uses whatsoever, and does significantly more damage than marijuana. Alcohol has been proven to be healthy in moderation. Either way, I agree with what Zesty said. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 5:23pm
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One major problem with alcohol is the nature of it's intoxication.
Say it takes you 6 beers to feel a nice buzz, how many more until you are too drunk? Can't walk? Can't remember anything? Throw up? Pass out? Point being, MJ is MUCH safer as far as dosage. Say it takes you a half a gram to get nice and stoned. You can still smoke another 3 grams and not only not pass out unconcious, but won't have any negative effects the next day. Basically, the ratio of intoxication to overdose is EXPONENTIALLY more dangerous in alcohol. It's just too fine a line, and not a safe drug, IMHO. I really see no way that either alcohol or cigarettes are any safer or more effective than MJ. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 5:29pm
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If you have a night of shots of something, you can die of alcohol poisoning. Heroin and all that stuff should be ileagle. It will eat your body alive. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 5:29pm
| It's not hard to control drinking. People who don't lack brain cells, and don't drink just to get drunk, but rather because they like the taste of what they're drinking, and drink it because they enjoy it(just like a soda, or coffee[ugh, nasty, but it keeps me up]) don't have problems. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 5:31pm
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Its not hard to control anything else. I think it would be hard in some aspects, i dont think you can administer a breathalizer test. And if they just draw blood. You could have a positive reading from the other day. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 5:42pm
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The problem with alcohol is once you start feeling a buzz, it becomes easier and easier to drink more and more.
With MJ, every bong hit is getting you closer to autotitration, the point where your brain tells your body,"I'm cool, that's enough drugs for right now." In my experiences with alcohol, this effect just doesn't exist....one leads to another and so on until you wake up with some ugly-ass chick. Not that I've woken up with some ugly-ass chick, I don't drink. |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 6:37pm
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Meh. Once I feel a buzz, I stop. I guess most people can't control it, but you can certainly teach yourself to control it.
Either way, you're right, MJ is safer. Alcohol and tobacco still aren't going anytime soon. |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 6:53pm
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So why doesn't the government do anything about this? MJ is safer than Alcohol and Tobacco, do they not realize that? Some things i just don't understand about society, they say Marijuana is so bad, but they have no proof what so ever. And it pisses me off. -------------
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 6:56pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 6:57pm
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Think about it. Say CVS sells advil. But i can grow my own asprin. Asprin is better than advil, and cheaper, less side effects, and it gets the job done. Their sales on advil would plumet and asprin would be illeagle so fast it would make your head spin. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 7:23pm
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Well if that's so, then the growing of marijuana should bot be allowed,
but it should be legalized and be sold like ciggarettes in cartons. School for instance, people in college, even highschool, i wouldn't mind them checking if you were high, you can wait, its not addicting remember? I know i sound kinnda stupid for saying this, but i really think the only way they would legalize it is if people wern't allowed to grow their own. /end non stoner views -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 7:30pm
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If they could regulate strength. Thats part of it too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 7:49pm
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^I know little about drugs, so dont laugh when I ask you, is it the
strength that makes weed better than other weed, or is it something
else like purity, or something like that? I have heard a few things, but dont really know. And there are different strengths alchohol, so I dont see why strngth should be regulated for MJ.
Then it would be just like alchohol. Not stupid at all. ------------- 
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 8:48pm
| Why did they end prohibition again?? I dont know if im even near correct but i thought it was because the gov't couldn't stop people from moonshining. Now if that is the right reason then get out your tiller, MJ and get gardening!!! Now having said that i have never done drugs or had alcohol so i wouldnt know any effects but in health they told us that MJ messes up your mind and lungs ten times as much as cigs. And the neurotixins reach your brain in under one second so the effects begin immediatly and your reflexes are slowed. So maybe if you were high theyd make a law saying you can't drive? I dunno i think to much at 14... |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 8:50pm
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I certainly don't think you should be driving while high, but I don't think it should be illegal to get high either.
Health is full of propaganda. Just put down the answers they want on the tests, and do your own research. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 9:40pm
dag, i agree, but im a risk taker until it comes to long term effects, like lung cancer etc. Ill take risks like skydiving (is death a long term effect) but i dunno if i could get high and like have a bad trip or something. Or worse, get caught!
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 9:58pm
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Smoking anything in general isn't that good for you. Pot may have more tar in the smoke than ciggs do, but hell, you can't get addicted. I have been clean for about a month and 1 week, and sure, i would like to smoke, but its not something i HAVE to do. Just something i feel like doing becuase its fun. The reason i have been clean is because i had to get a new job, which i thought requiered drug testing, which didn't even test me. But during my training, they said there were random drug tests, so i haven't smoked yet just to make sure that it is complete bull and they do it just to scare us pot heads away. -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 June 2005 at 11:11pm
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Gatyr, that is a very good question! Most people think that the THC content is the only thing that matters, but I guess with the little research that goes into these things, they are figuring out there are all sorts of natural chemicals that affect the high....it's so complicated anyone that tries and give you a definite answer is probably mistaken! The problem is, it is illegal, so any research done is typically gonna be to try and find something negative about it, to help fuel the propaganda.
That's the great thing about marijuana, little do most people know, but there are at least 4 different families of cannabis(Sativa, Indica, Ruderalis, Chinesis). Generally, Sativas are from more tropical, equatorial environments. Thus, they get LOTS of sun, and as a result, tend to have thinner "fingered" leaves, grow taller and lankier, and also take longer to flower. They also tend to provide a more uplifting, stimulating, and energetic effect. Indica tends to be a shorter, stockier plant with wider leaves, a shorter flowering time, and a more lethargic or "stony" effect. There are literally so many different scents and flavors and effects to the buds, it will keep things fresh forever! Hahahaha |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 11 June 2005 at 4:17am
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I'm not really sure if I'm on topic or not, but one of the reasons marijuana hasn't been pushed to be hugely legalized is the pharmecutical companies can't make money off it.
Weed grows naturally, and if its legalized, how can the big pharma companies get money off something that grows wildly and sporadically, if weed could only be grown in labs by Procter and Gamble I'm sure the Gov would be much more likely to reconsider. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 11 June 2005 at 3:24pm
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^Dude, go shoot yourself in the face for re-hashing what we just said....I actually agree with you though. Clark Kent takes the opposing position, and I can see his/her point as well.
Just for the record, it doesn't actually grow like a weed. When you want some nice, quality, dense and sticky buds, that invites mold and bugs and all sorts of "visitors". basically, you can grow a marijuana plant with little trouble, but actually getting one to produce bountifully is not that easy. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 12:11pm
And its not as easy as just planting a seed and picking the buds from the plant. There are certain ways you should do everything, from watering it, to the light it is given. Not to mention the drying/curing process. -------------
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Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 12:45pm
How do I make America bad? I support this country more than any right wing conservative. Just because I am against you slowly killing yourself with drugs means I make America bad? I'm glad you're not in a position of authority, cause this country would suck if you were. -------------
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 12 June 2005 at 12:53pm
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I think you're missing what we're talking about:
The propaganda makes marijuana seem a lot worse than it really is. Smoked through a bong, marijuana does a lot fewer bad things to you than tobacco. It also actually has a reason for being smoked-both medicinally and recreationally. When was the last time smoking tobacco got you anything but a nasty smell? Right... And don't start pulling crap out of your butt, saying that you support the country more than any conservative. That's utter bull. Just because you have an opposing point doesn't mean you're right, doing the right thing, or that the other person is trying to destroy our country. Grow up and stop being so negative to people who have other views. |