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Topic: Food for thought
Posted By: Gatyr
Subject: Food for thought
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:31pm
This was brought to my attention, by someone who realized my new infatuation with tupac. Feel free to point out anything that might be wron, or what you think, or how full of crap you think I am

After leaving the Tyson fight on Saturday September 7, 1996, Tupac was alledgedly shot 5 times. He lived through the shooting and was taken to a nearby hospital. He was pronounced dead on Friday September 13, 1996.

The suspicious facts:

Friday the 13th is a very suspicious day.

There were never any pictures released of Tupac in the hospital.

In the song "Life Goes On", Tupac raps about his own funeral.

The driver of the car in which Tupac was riding, Suge Knight (the executive producer of Death Row Records), didn't show up for questioning about the shooting.

The video "I ain't Mad at Cha" was released only a few days after his death. "I ain't Mad at Cha" is track 13 on the album All Eyes On Me. The video shows Tupac as an angel in heaven. In the video, Tupac was shot after leaving a theater with a friend, which is very similar to how he was shot in real life.

Interestingly, Tupac dies in his last video released under the name "2Pac". His new video "Toss It Up" from the new album was released under the name "Makaveli". The second video to be released by the name Makaveli is "To Live and Die in L.A." But how could they shoot the second video when he is "dead". Was the video really shot 4 months before his death, back in August of '96?

In the video "Hail Mary" released under the name Makaveli, there is a gravestone that says Makaveli. But the gravestone is cracked and there is a hole right in front of it, inferring that Makaveli rose from the dead.

A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occured close to the release of his album Doggystyle. The shooting made Snoop appear more "real" and showed his fans that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platnium. Snoop was signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records.

In December '96, Tupac's new album went platinum. In interviews prior to the shooting, Tupac talked about how he wanted to stop rapping and being a gangsta and get out of the limelight. What is the only way Tupac could completly escape the media spotlight ??? (Answer: if the public thought he was dead.)

Press wasn't going to be allowed at the funeral, but then the funeral was cancelled for unknown reasons.

Tupac always wore a bulletproof vest, no matter where he went. Why did he remove it at a very public event like a Tyson fight?

In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death in a murder case?

Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, http://www.tupacfans.com/machiavelli.php - Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power. In Machiavelli's book Discourses Upon the First Ten Books of Titus Livy, in Book 2 Chapter XIII he says "a prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to deceive". This is Machiavelli's main idea and is the connection between Tupac and the writings of Machiavelli.

Tupac studied Machiavelli in depth while in prision was a fan and had read his books several times. Perhaps Tupac is taking his advice. Machiaveli wrote two books before his death. Look at what the All Eyez on Me disks are called.. Machiavelli's books were called, "Book 1," and, "Book 2." The CD's of, "All Eyez On Me," are entitled the same

One of Machiavelli's books is, "Discourses Upon The First Ten Books Of Titus Livy," which it's claimed Tupac read in jail. In Book 2, Chapter XIII He says, "a prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to decieve..." This is very similar to verses in some of Tupac's songs.

Some say that Tupac modified the Machiavelli name because if you rearrange the letters, they spell, "Am Alive," or, "I Am Alive."

The title of the new album by Makaveli (Tupac) is The 7 Day Theory. He was shot on September 7th; and survived on the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and"died" the 13th. Hence the title The 7 Day Theory.

Tupac's album All Eyes on Me was released on Feb.13, 1996. Tupac "died" on Sept.13, 1996. It is quite a coincidence that the two dates are exactly 7 months apart.

Tupac officially died at 4:03 PM. 4+3 = 7 Also he "died" at an age of 25 years. 2+5 = 7. It seems as if seven is Tupac's number.

< There is nothing in the new album that says TUPAC RIP 1971-1996. Wouldn't it make sense to include something like that in the first album after his "death"? The only thing mentioned is "EXIT TUPAC ENTER MAKAVELI".

The executive producer of The 7 Day Theory , as listed in the CD booklet of the album, is Simon (who is a previously unknown producer in the rap music industry). In the bible, Simon was an apostle of Jesus. Simon was one of the first witnesses of the Resurrection listed by Saint Paul (I Cor. 15: 5). The Outlawz have confirmed Simon is a reference to Suge Knight who was with Tupac the night of the shooting.

In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "N*ggas Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that n*ggas' gonna get what they deserve." This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released.

In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?

Tupac "died" in Las Vegas which is a payoff city, meaning all sorts of folks have been known to be on the take. That means doctors, press, lawyers, etc.

The white Cadillac containing the assailants was never found... How could this be when Vegas is in the middle of a desert?

There's a small Black community on the North side of town.. This strip is only about 8 blocks long.. If the attackers were Black.. Where did they go? Where did they hide?

The white Cadillac containing the gunmen passes a entourage of Tupac's boys, many of them body guards... No one gives chase and there are no witnesses...There were no witnesses on the street... How come? Why not, especially right after a heavyweight fight?

The cover of Tupac's album Makaveli has him looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be planning a resurrection?

Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert. How come there was no helicopter chase? If some one were to rob a casino, the LVPD would've chased you down with some helicopters.. . How come this didn't happen with the Tupac shooting?

There were no ballistic tests in the murder case... At least we haven't heard about them....

Tupac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a bullet.. Why did Tupac get shot all those times and Suge not get hit?

Suge said he drove Tupac to the hospital and they had a coherent conversation? How bad was Tupac hit?

Tupac had completed 2 movies and 3 LP’s that have were to be released.. With so many people upset about Tupac's death, literally anything connected with him is bound to net a whole lot of cash...

There is a 72 million dollar life insurance policy on him which has yet to be cashed. No legal actions could be taken against him as long as it isn’t cashed.

The video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold his death ....

The memorial services that were open to the public were canceled in both Los Angeles and Atlanta...

In addition to number 19, Tupac said in his song "Life goes on" from his "All Eyez on Me" CD, that when he died he wanted "every rapper" to rap at his funeral, etc. Why didn't Death Row fulfill his death wish?

In a 1994 interview with Tupac, he said before he went to prison that if he was ever sent to prison when he came out he would be worse than before. He was. He also said when he came out it would be like he was reborn. Was he speaking literally? He already died and he was worse when he came out of jail, plus Tupac switched his rapping name from 2 Pac to Makaveli, that could be considered a rebirth, all that's left is a physical rebirth (A sighting) and so far he's already completed more than half of this prophecy.

Suge Knight and Tupac are the only two music industry people on that high a profile with enough balls to pull off a stunt like faking death...

People close to Death Row and relatives of other famous rappers have speculated to me and others about the shooting being staged.

Why wouldn’t a company as powerful and rich as Death Row Records not put up a reward to find the killers?

Other possible clues are contained in the new album. It is called “The Don Killuminati: The 7 day theory” which is still a mystery in definition. Inside the cover, it reads “Exit: 2pac, Enter: Makaveli” as if 2pac has died and Makaveli born.

The cover of Makaveli DK 7 Day Theory holds many hidden icons, and references Marketing Hype<

The only witness who was going to step up and I.D. the shooter was Kadafi (Yafeu Fula) but he was shot a few months after Tupac.

In the first few seconds of the Makaveli song INTRO/BOMB FIRST, you can hear who is claimed to be Kadafi saying "Suge Shot Me"

Tupac always rapped and did videos on his death, and how his funeral would be. Why was he cremated?

In E-40's duet with Tupac called,"Million Dollar Spot," Tupac states, "Fans can't understand my ghetto slang, so I evade and plot and plan a life of better things..."

In the song, "Ain't Hard 2 Find," Tupac says, "I heard rumors that I died, murdered in cold blood, tramatized pictures of me in my final states, you know mama cried, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted..."

In Tupac's song, "No More Pain," he says, "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation..." Is he referring to Jesus or Machiavelli?

The video, "I Ain't Mad At Cha, " was released only days after Tupac's, "death." It depicts Tupac being gunned down much of the way he was really shot.

"I Ain't Mad At Cha," is also track number 13 on, "All Eyez On Me," and Tupac died on Friday the 13

In the, "I Ain't Mad At Cha," video, Tupac dies. In his next video, "Toss It Up," his name is Makaveli.

In the, "Hail Mary," video, there is a gravestone that says, "Makaveli." It is cracked and there's a hole in front of it; this inplies that Makaveli rose from the dead. Marketing Hype

In the,"Smile," video with Scarface, Tupac is crucified...Later he falls and stands up and it appears to be a double. Still, is this another image of resurection? Why make people so suspicious? Marketing Hype

"Ambitionz as a Ridah," Verse 3: "payoff tha block, evade tha cops, 'cause I know they comin' for me, I been hesitant to reappear been away for years now I'm back...my adversaries been reduced to tears...

"White Man's World," 3rd verse:"Time so tell me why, you changed choosing new direction, in a blink of an eye, my time away just made perfection... Did you think I'd die, not gonna cry ..."

"Life of an Outlaw", Verse 2:"Who should I call when I'm shot and bleedin, indeed the possibility has part a chase in cream, dope got me hatin' fiends. Scheme wit my team, just a chosen few."


Did Bone Thugs N Harmony play a role in helping Tupac fake his death? In the, "Thug Luv," song, right before Tupac starts rapping, Bizzy can be heard in the background saying, "He's alive, he's alive, he's alive..." Marketing Hype

http://www.tupacfans.com/machiavelli.php - Machiavelli 's book, "the Art of War," is also the name of Bone's new album. Marketing Hype

In the movie, "Gridlock'd," when Tupac and Roth are in the diner and they glance up at the menu, all the L's are upside down 7's.

In the movie, "Gang Related," Tupac and Belushi wait in room 7, and Tupac's badge number is 115; 1+1+5=7.

The cross on Tupac's back says, "Exodus 16:31." , The verse itself seems to have little meaning, but read this verse, found right above it:, "So the people rested on the seventh day." All of Exodus 16 deals with the 7 Dayz.

The song in which Tupac says he's alive, "Hold Ya Head," on the Makaveli CD, before Tupac begins rapping, a voice says, "Can you see him?" Another voice replies, "I see him." Then Tupac softly says, "I'm alive..."

Why have Suge Knight and the rest of his entourage been so uncooperative with police in solving the murder?

Since his death, there have been numerous reports of Tupac sightings. http://www.tupacfans.com/sighting.php -
View this sighting report from a newspaper.

Tupac officially died at 4:03 PM. 4+3 = 7 Also he "died" at an age of 25 years. 2+5 = 7 It seems as if seven is Tupac's number.  

There is nothing in the new album that says TUPAC RIP 1971-1996.  Wouldn't it make sense to include something like that in the first album after his "death"? The only thing mentioned is "EXIT TUPAC ENTER MAKAVELI".

 The executive producer of The 7 Day Theory , as listed in the CD booklet of the album, is Simon (who is a previously unknown producer in the rap music industry).  In the bible, Simon was an apostle of Jesus.  Simon was one of the first witnesses of the Resurrection listed by Saint Paul (I Cor. 15: 5).   Could Simon be a reference to Suge Knight(the executive producer of Death Row records)? Simon was renamed "Peter, the rock" (John 1:42).  
 

In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?  


In Tupac's song "Life of an Outlaw" on the album The 7 Day Theory, he says "All for the street fame on how to be managed, to plan stuff, 6 months in advance to what we plotted, approved to go on swole and now I got it"-Life Of An Outlaw. This implies that Tupac planned his "death" in advance and now he is enjoying the success of his plan.

In E-40's album Hall Of Game in the song "Million Dollar Spot" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says, "Fans can't understand my ghetto slang, so i evade and plot and plan a life of better things...."  Once again Tupac mentions his "plan".

In Tupac's song "Ain't Hard 2 Find" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "I heard rumors I died, murdered in cold blood, tramatized pictures of me in my final states, you know momma cryed, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted."  It seems as if Tupac foretold the future.

Scarface's song "Smile", which is a duet with Tupac, was supposedly recorded in September of '96, before Tupac was "shot". But the video for the song was released in May of '97 and the video depicts Tupac rapping while he appears to be crucified. At the end of the video, Tupac falls off the cross and stands up...which is another image of resurection. Towards the end of the video, it becomes slightly apparent that Tupac is actually portrayed by a look-alike. I still wonder, if he is really dead, then why do they keep making everyone so suspicious???

In the video for "I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto" the town it takes place in is called Rukahs. "Rukahs" spelled backwards is "Shakur".  The room he goes into with the girl is room number 7. The clock in the background at the end is at 4:03...the same time he officially died. More funny stuff from the video producers. My question still remains, why?

In Tupac's song "No More Pain" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation." Could this be a reference to Machievelli or Jesus?  

On the cover of The 7 Day Theory, there is a picture of Tupac being crucified.  This fits with the idea that Tupac "died" so he could be reincarnated as Makaveli. In the picture, there are five bullet holes. Interestingly, Tupac was "shot" 5 times.  

The only witness to the shooting, Yafeu Fula, was found shot to death on Nov. 10th in a hallway of an apartment building in East Orange, NJ.  Hmm...now no one will get any info out of him. (for more info on his death, click http://members.aol.com/subseven/yafeu.html - here .)

After the shooting of Notorious B.I.G. on March 9th, 1997 Lieutenant Wayne Petersen of the the homicide division of the Las Vegas Police Department who has been investigating Shakur's alleged killing said, "Before yesterday, I had never even heard of the Notorious B.I.G.  There is no link between the two murders. We think the only connection is in the minds of the media. The media wants to connect the two."  If you asked anyone who knows anything about the Tupac case, they would say something about the rivalry between Biggie and Tupac. How will the Las Vegas police ever solve the case if they don't know the basics? The answer is that they won't. C'mon guys, that is pretty pathetic.

< =text/> < src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js " =text/> According to my friend Roger as well as numerous other sources, in the first three seconds of The 7 Day Theory, the words "Suge shot me" are spoken very softly. Check it out for yourself, but that certainly is suspicious and it must mean something. Click http://members.aol.com/subseven2/sugeshot.wav - here for the sample as it appears on the CD.


During an interview, an ABC correspondent asked Suge Knight, "If you knew who killed Tupac, would you tell the police?". Suge answered, "Absolutely not."

On November 25, 1997 a new 2 Pac album will be released on Jive Records called R U Still Down. It is being released under the name "2 Pac" not "Makaveli". This implies many things...does this mean that "2 pac" is back?

I have heard there is a "new" artist called "Blac Haze". The song that I have heard by them is called "Let Me Holla At Cha". A clip can be downloaded http://www.toptown.com/centralpark/viper_venom/tupac/sounds/blachaze.ra - here from the site http://www.toptown.com/centralpark/viper_venom/tupac/ - Exit-2 pac-Enter-Makaveli. The rapper sounds like Tupac, at least to me. Check it out for yourself.

In the video "Heaven Gotta Ghetto", the license plate of the car that he gets in with the older man reads "61671". Another obvious occurance of the number seven and the sum of seven (6+1).

This bit of info comes from Michael Penn: In the CD booklet of the "R U Still Down" album the it is written "Keep the faith in me I wont let u down...love 2pac". Can he be advising us not to dwell on his "death" because he is coming back?

This comes from Mike Frankel: If you rearrange the letters in the album title "Makaveli The Don Killuminati The 7Day Theory" You can make the sentence "Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet I'm really alive". Mike explains "7th meaning the 7th day after he was shot, he supposedly died but is really alive." That's quite amazing, try it for yourself.

In the song ballad of a dead soulja he says "...a single witness screaming bloody murder murder, blast homie tell me what you see now".There were reports of the single witness being shot after coming out telling what he knew. How could he rap about that after he is dad?

Discuss, my minions.


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Replies:
Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:33pm
I've heard so many conspiracy theories about this, didn't CNN say they found him somewhere about a month or 2 ago?


Posted By: Atrosity
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:34pm
Done a little research on this?  I for one think he's still alive.


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"Who me? No I'm quite blunt, like a sledghammer to the temple."-Me


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:35pm
I could care less if he's alive or dead.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by RenegadeGopher RenegadeGopher wrote:

I've heard so many conspiracy theories about this, didn't CNN say they found him somewhere about a month or 2 ago?


Photoshopped(very badly I might add) document. Not a true CNN report

Atrosity: wastn me who found all this, I just read and copy and pasted.

Cedric: you suck. Seriously. You seem to only have gotten more and more annoying. Burn in hell.


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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:35pm

I think you should've broken my information up Gatyr and heres a signature I'm gonna use... watch closely.

an animated gif of Tupac winking



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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:36pm

Here Gatyr, im going to get this out of the way now.

I dont really think this, but it has to be done.

ZOMG CANT SPELL RAP W/O CRAP. RAP TAKES LIKE NO TALENT ALL THEY DO IS TALK. RAP IS BAD CAUSE IT IS ALL VIOLENT AND BAD AGSINT WEMON. ALL RAP IS JUS BLING BLING IN GATS. RAP ESH TEH SUX.

There. Its been said. No need to say it again in this thread.

 

Very interesting points Gatyr, especially with Machievelli, very deep. Good find.



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Posted By: HeadHunter59
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:36pm
He's alive in my friends basement.. He makes all his music down there now.. Pretty cool.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Here Gatyr, im going to get this out of the way now.

I dont really think this, but it has to be done.

ZOMG CANT SPELL RAP W/O CRAP. RAP TAKES LIKE NO TALENT ALL THEY DO IS TALK. RAP IS BAD CAUSE IT IS ALL VIOLENT AND BAD AGSINT WEMON. ALL RAP IS JUS BLING BLING IN GATS. RAP ESH TEH SUX.

There. Its been said. No need to say it again in this thread.

 

Very interesting points Gatyr, especially with Machievelli, very deep. Good find.



Id rather it be done by you than some emo who knows nothing about rap.


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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:38pm
Can I come over?

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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I could care less if he's alive or dead.


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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:39pm
I thought you were going to leave.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:39pm
Just so everyone knows that was about 7-8 hours of research...

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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:42pm
If he's hiding, maybe he doesn't care about his fans anymore. Ever think of that?

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:44pm

in one of his songs off All Eyes On Me(don't remember which) he says "IM BACK REINCARNATED"

Cedric: the reason Tupac is outta the light is because he wanted to live as a real gangsta and the only way to do that was fake his death...



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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Atrosity
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:44pm
Maybe they're keeping him in a jar?

EDIT: Wait, what if he did that thing where they "download" your conciousness(sp?) into a computer and he's recording songs that way, but he's not really alive or dead?


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"Who me? No I'm quite blunt, like a sledghammer to the temple."-Me


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:47pm
Or he wanted to keep getting money and hide from his problems.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:47pm

If you rearrange the letters in the album title "Makaveli The Don Killuminati The 7Day Theory" You can make the sentence "Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet I'm really alive". Mike explains "7th meaning the 7th day after he was shot, he supposedly died but is really alive." That's quite amazing, try it for yourself.

That's my favorite... that and the Blac Haze one.

And Cedric: Go suck somewhere else.



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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

If he's hiding, maybe he doesn't care about his fans anymore. Ever think of that?


Or he wanted to escape his life?


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Cedric: you suck. Seriously. You seem to only have gotten more and more annoying. Burn in hell.

Originally posted by ^Pirate^ ^Pirate^ wrote:


And Cedric: Go suck somewhere else.


I can see I hit a soft spot.



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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:53pm
Perhaps Gatyr, Or maybe he knew BIG was comin so he became Makaveli.

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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:53pm
I'm not the biggest fan of rap, buy all that really intrigues me. I may have to start listening to some tupac.

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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:54pm
I'm just saying that anyone who completely deserts their fans is terrible. If he died, then he's not terrible. But if he's still alive, collecting all of the money from his merch, then he's nothing more than a leech.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:55pm

You definately should once you realize how well the music flows and how well the songs were written, and with the speed they were written it's amazing.

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I'm just saying that anyone who completely deserts their fans is terrible. If he died, then he's not terrible. But if he's still alive, collecting all of the money from his merch, then he's nothing more than a leech.

Look at all the clues he left us there's probably a million more he said he's alive.

You wouldn't be doing this if we were talking about those people in your sig...



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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:57pm

I SOLVED IT!!



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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:59pm
If the Cedric and Omar went and deserted all their fans and just went into hiding, I would be pissed. They would be nothing more than leeches.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:59pm
I'm thining about getting my ears pierced...

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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:01pm

Wow, **Strike 1**



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It aint about black or white
becuz we human
I hope we see the light before it's ruined
My ghetto gospel


Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:03pm
I only read about a little more than half way through, but very interesting none the less.

I don't know what to believe, and it honostly isn't high on my priority list to find out if Tupac is alive, or dead but this does lead me to some conclusions.


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:04pm
I was typing the mars volta, then realized that the whole band wasn't in my sig. I decided to name the people in my sig, but forgot to backspace the "the". No need to talk about my sexual preference.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I'm just saying that anyone who completely deserts their fans is terrible. If he died, then he's not terrible. But if he's still alive, collecting all of the money from his merch, then he's nothing more than a leech.


He still makes songs, so what if he isnt around to sign autographs or do concerts?

He didnt like the media. He wanted to just live his life. No drama with other rappers, no worry about what people are saying about you. Just the life he wanted to live.

Im sure that most of his true fans would rather him "die" and go to the ghetto, than stay in the mainstream and go soft, like most rappers have done.


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I'm just saying that anyone who completely deserts their fans is terrible. If he died, then he's not terrible. But if he's still alive, collecting all of the money from his merch, then he's nothing more than a leech.


He still makes songs, so what if he isnt around to sign autographs or do concerts?

He didnt like the media. He wanted to just live his life. No drama with other rappers, no worry about what people are saying about you. Just the life he wanted to live.

Im sure that most of his true fans would rather him "die" and go to the ghetto, than stay in the mainstream and go soft, like most rappers have done.

You do realize you could have said this from the begining, don't you? This is completely understandable.  I wouldn't want the media invading my privacy or anything either. You might have saved yourself from flaming me.


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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

 

In December '96, Tupac's new album went platinum. In interviews prior to the shooting, Tupac talked about how he wanted to stop rapping and being a gangsta and get out of the limelight. What is the only way Tupac could completly escape the media spotlight ??? (Answer: if the public thought he was dead.)



I kinda did, but i'll admit it was camoflauged and hard to see.


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Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I could care less if he's alive or dead.


That is a remark I expected coming from a 13 year old n00b, not someone like you YWSM.  Regardless of who he is, he is still a person and you blatant disregard for his life or any life is inexcusable.  You disappoint me.


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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:38pm
New, forum friendly version in the original post. <3 to reb for being understanding.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:40pm
I seen that coming and was gonna edit it... but mom needed the computer... oh well it's not guested.

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:47pm
I saw that on tupac fans.com.

I belive hes still alive. Ever see "Tupac: Resurection" Great movie.




Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:49pm

Not all of it cda, just a big chunk of it but I've had that since before tupacfans.com, and theres a lot more to be found that's barely half of what some people have.



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 2:56pm
I have Elvis alive in my basement...

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:00pm
So basically, he couldn't handle his problems and wanted a way out, but wasn't man enough to commit suicide like other demented individuals might?


Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:00pm
Sweet.




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Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I have Elvis alive in my basement...


Curse you Hades! You beat me to Elvis.  Now I have to use plan B...

Sure Tupac's alive, he's hiding out in Argentina with Hitler, JFK and Marylin Monroe.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

So basically, he couldn't handle his problems and wanted a way out, but wasn't man enough to commit suicide like other demented individuals might?


So if he had killed himself, you would consider him more determined? And like previously mentioned, it was his problems with the media. He did this to get back to his thug life.


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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

So basically, he couldn't handle his problems and wanted a way out, but wasn't man enough to commit suicide like other demented individuals might?


So if he had killed himself, you would consider him more determined? And like previously mentioned, it was his problems with the media. He did this to get back to his thug life.

I think he was trying to get AWAY from the thug life.
In the movie, He says that he controlled millions of people, and that scared him.
Tupac didn't trust himself with the power he had over his fans.

Another thing to take into consideration, is teh eat coast west coast war.
Tupac never really wanted to be a part of that. It was only him and biggie who didn't like each other. So maybe, tupac though that if he was to leave, the rivally would stop.


Posted By: phillll227
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


He did this to get back to his thug life.


haha



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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:51pm
He is dead. Anyone need a picture to prove it? PM me if you want.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:


Sure Tupac's alive, he's hiding out in Argentina with Hitler, JFK and Marylin Monroe.


I'll trade you Elvis for Maryin Monroe but I aslo want the Area51 alien.

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by NiQ-Toto NiQ-Toto wrote:

He is dead. Anyone need a picture to prove it? PM me if you want.

I nhave a pic of him in the mourge(sp). After he died.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by NiQ-Toto NiQ-Toto wrote:

He is dead. Anyone need a picture to prove it? PM me if you want.


Pictures can be faked, but im still curious. Mind sending it to me?


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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 4:49pm
It looks like you put alot of effort into that post.  Unfortunately I'm not reading any more of it.  Honestly I don't care if he is alive or dead. 

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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 13 June 2005 at 4:55pm
Even if he lives or is dead, the man was/is a genius.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 10:16am
Originally posted by borntopaint borntopaint wrote:

It looks like you put alot of effort into that post.  Unfortunately I'm not reading any more of it.  Honestly I don't care if he is alive or dead. 


Yeah. pressing ctrl + v is tough.


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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 10:34am
I have a co-worker that talks about this a lot. She feels that Tupac did the whole thug thing as a way to embody the fearful stereotype that other races put on poor black people and use that fear as a tool of empowerment. He threw himself into that apparent life to use it as an advantage instead of letting it be a liability.

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 12:21pm

I've got more information but I have to go and don't have time to post it so I'll either post it or PM it to you later Gatyr!

(I actually was gonna post it now but wasted my time trying to word that so I could say Later Gatyr!)



Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 1:03pm
gatyr i still say hes alive. even if he isnt he lives on in all the rappers. His fans and family. i think theres about 5 ppl who know if hes alive. Dre, tupac, god, and the guy in the car with him, and 50 cent.

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Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 1:46pm
What does Tupac and a Half a Game of Golf have in common? After the 9th Hole its ALL over...

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by HondaXR HondaXR wrote:

What does Tupac and a Half a Game of Golf have in common? After the 9th Hole its ALL over...

That should be 50 cent. He got shot 9 times. But he lived, unfortcantly.


Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 2:05pm
I thought it was Tupac...

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 2:23pm

Originally posted by HondaXR HondaXR wrote:

I thought it was Tupac...

meh....same thing.



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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by BlackDeath7 BlackDeath7 wrote:


Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I could care less if he's alive or dead.


That is a remark I expected coming from a 13 year old n00b, not someone
like you YWSM. Regardless of who he is, he is still a person and
you blatant disregard for his life or any life is inexcusable.
You disappoint me.

Um. Cedric said that, not YWSM>

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 June 2005 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by HondaXR HondaXR wrote:

What does Tupac and a Half a Game of Golf have in common? After the 9th Hole its ALL over...


Although you did mess the joke up, I laughed.


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Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 3:27pm
bump just cause i finally read the whole thing.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

If he's hiding, maybe he doesn't care about his fans anymore. Ever think of that?


Or he wanted to escape his life?


Maybe they're the same...?

Anyway, interesting-but it doesn't really matter much. Even if he is alive, who cares? He won't be making tons of music anyway...


Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by Pariel Pariel wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

If he's hiding, maybe he doesn't care about his fans anymore. Ever think of that?


Or he wanted to escape his life?


Maybe they're the same...?

Anyway, interesting-but it doesn't really matter much. Even if he is alive, who cares? He won't be making tons of music anyway...

You, know, New Tupac Albums are still coming out every year.


Posted By: smiddy
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 5:29pm
hey gatyr, just noticed in your sig pic there are 7 bullets. coinceadence? i think NOT!

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Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 5:35pm
theres 8...

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 15 June 2005 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by smiddy smiddy wrote:

hey gatyr, just noticed in your sig pic there are 7 bullets. coinceadence? i think NOT!


Yeah, except that there are 8...

Like pimptastik said.

Well, truth is, I don't care if Tupac is producing more albums, and I don't think random speculation adds to anything.

That said, that was fun to read. Pretty interesting.



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