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Topic: Doesnt Congress have anything better 2 do
Posted By: Hades
Subject: Doesnt Congress have anything better 2 do
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:11pm
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/22/congress.flagburning.ap/index.html - What a bunch of idiots. Even if they get it passed the Supreme Court is going to smack it down... They should go worry about some other problem, like world peace.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/soccer/06/23/transsexual.soccer.ap/index.html?cnn=yes - This news article on the other hand, Kicks some serious balls.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:14pm
O, that's freaking retarded.

I'm gonna find a flag to burn.


Posted By: HeadHunter59
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:15pm
Its congress they never have anything better todo. lol


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Only person with his head not up his ass in that story Only person with his head not up his ass in that story wrote:

But Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, said, "If the flag needs protection at all, it needs protection from members of Congress who value the symbol more than the freedoms that the flag represents."

 

Ugh. I would like to be able to think that burning a peice of cloth with some patters on it would be enough to go to prison for, But I cant get my head quite that far up my own ass. Maybe with some practice...



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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:27pm
I always thought it was illegal. Not that Id do it anyway.

Man, I wanna se a pic of that man-chick.


Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:40pm
Interesting second article.

*EDIT* I totally just got your sig Hades...

I think I'm gonna puke.


Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:42pm
Haha. I see you read the murder thread then.

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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:50pm
Who really cares if someone burns flags. I do it all the time.

All the power to the girl in the second article.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:53pm

I've wanted to see a flag burning ban for a while, but I agree it seems  that they'd have more important things to be thinking about right now.



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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:56pm
maybe if we werent in the middle of a war i could understand but honestly they have more important things to worry about.  That soccer player arcticle is pretty interesting.

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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 1:59pm

You have got to see Dave Chapelle's "Black Bush" skit. It is so true it is funny and sickening at the same time.

"Everybody worrying about the war, or the economy. I got that **** under control. We goin' to space. The United States of Space. Read my lips: M-A-R-S. Mars, *******, red rocks!"

Our country is going down the tubes. From the top down.



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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I've wanted to see a flag burning ban for a while, but I agree it seems  that they'd have more important things to be thinking about right now.

What is a good and logical reason to ban the burning of a peice of cloth with colors and patterns?



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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:02pm
I find flag burning un patriotic and in a sense, treason. Treason is punishable by death.

SO, if you have the need to burn a flag, do someone elses, and if you MUST ( ) burn OUR flag, become a citizen of a different country and leave the US, you don't deserve to live here.

Love our country, you can disagree with the governement all you want, but love our country.


Oh, but it's protected under free speach. Free speach my ass, if you do a "conspiracy" to kill the president, thtas illegal yet it's just talking..

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:04pm
I, too, was under the impression it was already illegal to burn a flag.


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:07pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

I find flag burning un patriotic and in a sense, treason. Treason is punishable by death.

SO, if you have the need to burn a flag, do someone elses, and if you MUST ( ) burn OUR flag, become a citizen of a different country and leave the US, you don't deserve to live here.

Love our country, you can disagree with the governement all you want, but love our country.

Burning a peice of cloth is not treason. It is nothing.

Wonderfull thing about the 1st ammendment, gives the right to protest. If during that protest, I burn an American flag in a symbolic gesture. I am partaking in my freedoms. How exactilly do you judge who "Deserves to live here" and who dosent? Do they just need to agree with you?



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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:12pm
No, you don't have to agree with me to live here, other wise only half the country would be here now.

But lets look at the word treason

"Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies."

Now, how does flag burning aid our enemies? It creates disencion among our country, one side against the other, and not talking about politics.

So, flag buring is treason, no ifs ands or buts.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:20pm
I cant wait till they make an Ammendment where it will be illegal to say something negative about this President. Then we will have come full circle.

Since when does dissagreeing with someone lead moral support to the other side. If that is all they have to encourage them, then that isnt much.

Burning the flag doesnt violate my allegence, nor is it a betryal of my county. It is just a from of protest to say that one dissagrees with what is going on.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:22pm
But why burn a flag? Why not burn a huge bonfire?

It's lending moral support for the enemy and away from us.

And actually, burning a flag right now is illegal because it's arson. SO HA

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Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:24pm

Wow, flag burning again...for 1,000 points: anyone know the proper way to dispose of an old American Flag?


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:26pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Now, how does flag burning aid our enemies? It creates disencion among our country, one side against the other, and not talking about politics.

So, flag buring is treason, no ifs ands or buts.

No, Having war mongers, CEO's, and oil tycoons in charge of starting wars is causing the 'disencion amoung our country".

That last sentance is really funny. Its treason, no ifs ands or buts....except not really at all, whatsoever.

 



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:26pm
Man, your logic is completely wack.....

You might want to crack open the dictionary and learn the meanings to the words you use before completely misusing them. The definition isnt even close....

Me burning a flag doesnt give any enemy my support.....

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:27pm

Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:


Wow, flag burning again...for 1,000 points: anyone know the proper way to dispose of an old American Flag?

Karosene and a match.



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:


Wow, flag burning again...for 1,000 points: anyone know the proper way to dispose of an old American Flag?


Exactly.....

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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

Burning a peice of cloth is not treason. It is nothing.

Wonderfull thing about the 1st ammendment, gives the right to protest. If during that protest, I burn an American flag in a symbolic gesture. I am partaking in my freedoms. How exactilly do you judge who "Deserves to live here" and who dosent? Do they just need to agree with you?

The 1st Ammendment gives you a right to protest, it DOES NOT give you carte blanche to do anything you want under the guise of a "symbolic gesture."   What is symbolic about an American Citizen burning an American flag?   The symbolism that I see is that this person no longer wishes to be associated with the country and is burning his/her allegiances.  

Based on this, it is perceived that the "burner" no longer wishes to remain part of that country and therefore is definately NOT deserving of living here.

The burning of a country's flag by its own citizens is for radical, left-wing retards who can't think of any other creative way to demonstrate their point of view and are hoping for their 15 seconds in the spotlight.    Too many people have died for that flag to allow it to be burned at a whim.



Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Me burning a flag doesnt give any enemy my support.....


That would be me burning an Amreican flag because I dislike the proposed ammendment and you saying because I burned the flag I support the ammendment....

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:28pm
Hades, show me where I used a word wrong...

"The crime of maliciously, voluntarily, and willfully setting fire to the building, buildings, or other property of another or of burning one's own property for an improper purpose, EX as in to collect insurance."

Burning a flag for protest is improper purpose...

Tomato tomoto, your definition for improper purpose is different from mine, but i DID NOT use a word in any wrong context.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

Burning a peice of cloth is not treason. It is nothing.

Wonderfull thing about the 1st ammendment, gives the right to protest. If during that protest, I burn an American flag in a symbolic gesture. I am partaking in my freedoms. How exactilly do you judge who "Deserves to live here" and who dosent? Do they just need to agree with you?

The 1st Ammendment gives you a right to protest, it DOES NOT give you carte blanche to do anything you want under the guise of a "symbolic gesture."   What is symbolic about an American Citizen burning an American flag?   The symbolism that I see is that this person no longer wishes to be associated with the country and is burning his/her allegiances.  

Based on this, it is perceived that the "burner" no longer wishes to remain part of that country and therefore is definately NOT deserving of living here.

The burning of a country's flag by its own citizens is for radical, left-wing retards who can't think of any other creative way to demonstrate their point of view and are hoping for their 15 seconds in the spotlight.    Too many people have died for that flag to allow it to be burned at a whim.

Well I may not have wanted to burn a flag before, but now I will out of protest of this...

Yeah, alot of people died for freedom, not a peice of cloth.



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:32pm
You forgot to finish reading the definition where it gives the example of what an improper use is.

Rico. The Veterans that died didnt die for the flag, they died for the freedom that the flag represents.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:33pm
THAT "Piece of cloth" represents our history smart ass.

I have lost all respect for you and anyone that wants to/has burned OUR FLAG.

People like you DO NOT deserve to live in this country. THis country has done more for you then you have in return.

You disgust me whale.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:36pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

THAT "Piece of cloth" represents our history smart ass.

I have lost all respect for you and anyone that wants to/has burned OUR FLAG.

People like you DO NOT deserve to live in this country. THis country has done more for you then you have in return.

You disgust me whale.

Oh but thats the wonderfull part about it. You may not think I deserve to live here, but becuase of the freedom of this country (Thanks to the people that fought and died for freedom, not a peice of cloth) I can live here anyway. Gotta love it...



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:36pm
You think everyone doesnt deserve to live here, that isnt even an insult from you any more because you have used it so much....

Maybe your intolerant views and your unwillingness to accept people's differences qualifies you to be kicked out.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:38pm

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

You think everyone doesnt deserve to live here, that isnt even an insult from you any more because you have used it so much....

Reminds me of the people who think protest and dissent are un-patriotic......



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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:39pm

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Rico. The Veterans that died didnt die for the flag, they died for the freedom that the flag represents.

Out of all that I wrote, the only thing you got out if it was a semantic observation?

Thanks for hanging your whole argument... "...they died for the freedom that that flag represents."  

So by burning it you are not exercising your "freedom," you are "symbolically" BURNING your freedom and saying that you no longer wish to be associated with what the flag represents.



Posted By: Atrosity
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:39pm
#1. We should all know by now that our country is run be a bunch of babbling idiots.
#2. DUBYA TEE EFF, SERIOUSLY. So what we know now is that if your homosexual, 1 of you has to pretend to be transexual to get married legally, because then it would be ok?

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:42pm
No, I'm fine with protest, you're right, it is given to us. But, burning an American flag, and the people that died to protect it and us, is just un patriotic.

Hades, I'm not intollerant, I allow people of different types to live in peace, but if I get attacked or some dumbass wants to attack my country, I fight back.

I'm willing ot die for my country, my flag and my fellow citizens that actually care about this great country. If you aren't willing to, ok your decision, but I have less respect for you.

That's not intollerant, thats the way of life in this world now.

SHow me where I have made fun of muslims, jews, blacks, hispanics etc etc... I havn't.


Looks like Rico and I are the only patriotic ones that care enough for the flag and not just th freedoms that ir represents...

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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:43pm

Originally posted by Atrosity Atrosity wrote:

#1. We should all know by now that our country is run be a bunch of babbling idiots.
#2. DUBYA TEE EFF, SERIOUSLY. So what we know now is that if your homosexual, 1 of you has to pretend to be transexual to get married legally, because then it would be ok?

Hello Atrosity?   Earth calling, wish you were here.

How about sticking to the point of the topic?



Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:43pm
I have burned a flag.


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:44pm

The flag stands for the freedoms of Americans...

Excpet the one to burn said flag in protest, that one dosen't count...



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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I have burned a flag.
Ok, American or what?

If it's American, leave our country since you don't like it.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

Originally posted by Atrosity Atrosity wrote:

#1. We should all know by now that our country is run be a bunch of babbling idiots.
#2. DUBYA TEE EFF, SERIOUSLY. So what we know now is that if your homosexual, 1 of you has to pretend to be transexual to get married legally, because then it would be ok?

Hello Atrosity?   Earth calling, wish you were here.

How about sticking to the point of the topic?



This is on topic.  Look at the front page; first post.

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

No, I'm fine with protest, you're right, it is given to us. But, burning an American flag, and the people that died to protect it and us, is just un patriotic.

Hades, I'm not intollerant, I allow people of different types to live in peace, but if I get attacked or some dumbass wants to attack my country, I fight back.

I'm willing ot die for my country, my flag and my fellow citizens that actually care about this great country. If you aren't willing to, ok your decision, but I have less respect for you.

That's not intollerant, thats the way of life in this world now.

SHow me where I have made fun of muslims, jews, blacks, hispanics etc etc... I havn't.


Looks like Rico and I are the only patriotic ones that care enough for the flag and not just th freedoms that ir represents...


No.  Transsexual is where you are born with BOTH sex's reproductive organs.


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:46pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I have burned a flag.
Ok, American or what?

If it's American, leave our country since you don't like it.

That one seriously made me laugh out loud....



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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I have burned a flag.
Ok, American or what?

If it's American, leave our country since you don't like it.


American.

Noone ever said I didn't like this country.

You see, like they say, when you "assume", "you make an ass out of you and me".  Well, only you, but the point remains, none the less.


Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:47pm

Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

The flag stands for the freedoms of Americans...

Excpet the one to burn said flag in protest, that one dosen't count...

LOL!



Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:47pm
Wow Rico, you're not often this stupid.

*EDIT* OK, I removed my first edit...

By the way Reb...I'm thinkin' whale was making a point against your argument. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how it backs you up.

The flag is symbolic of freedom, yes, that's true.

Burning the flag has been used since the start of this country(the Vietnam protesters didn't come up with anything new guys) as a symbol of disagreement-as a symbol that what the government is doing right now is the same as burning our flag. That's what burning the flag represents.

There's a reason thousands of people have died in order to give us the freedom to burn the flag-they believed that it's the right thing to do. They agreed with the government when they said that it was one of our rights as citizens. That said, I don't know many people in the armed forces who would burn the flag now, but during Vietnam, thousands of serving troops burned flags in Washington.

By burning a flag, I'm fighting for the freedom it represents. The government is burning their own flag-I'm just making it literal.


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:50pm

Alright guys, keep the name calling to a minimum....

I have to go to work now, but my point is made.



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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:55pm

Originally posted by Pariel Pariel wrote:

Wow Rico, you're not often this stupid.

*EDIT* Although Linus is, quite often. And yet he wonders why people dislike him...

Why resort to name calling Pariel?  

I am voicing my Opinion as is usually the case in the T&O section.   I'm "stupid" for thinking on my own and disagreeing with the validity of flag burning as an acceptable means of protest.

Awful judgemental for someone who is arguing for the right NOT to be judged as "un-American."



Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

The 1st Ammendment gives you a right to protest, it DOES NOT give you carte blanche to do anything you want under the guise of a "symbolic gesture."   What is symbolic about an American Citizen burning an American flag?   The symbolism that I see is that this person no longer wishes to be associated with the country and is burning his/her allegiances.

Based on this, it is perceived that the "burner" no longer wishes to remain part of that country and therefore is definately NOT deserving of living here.

The burning of a country's flag by its own citizens is for radical, left-wing retards who can't think of any other creative way to demonstrate their point of view and are hoping for their 15 seconds in the spotlight.    Too many people have died for that flag to allow it to be burned at a whim.


I have a really short attention span so I must have already forgotten the first few paragraphs by the time I jumped on the last one.

I dont see the burning of the flag as a call for I hate this country, I want to leave, but rather a "I dont agree with what is going on here, I am going to commit an act that will give me attention." Same goes for the people that hold rallies and clog up traffic. Sure there are probably better ways but I doubt that college students have the time or the money to employ the other means of getting attention...

I will add more but I have to jet to work. Glad to see you around a little more.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 2:57pm
Dude, you didn't even think about it. You just said what popped into your head first. That strikes me as suprisingly idiotic.

I am awfully judgemental-just like you.

I will resort to name calling when it suits me.

You're welcome to quote me on that.


Posted By: HeadHunter59
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:06pm

I think are county has some dum rules. I mean even if they do get this law to pass or w/e. People well still burn flags and no one well find out.

 

I mean look at all the rules and crap we have now. It still dont stop half the people in the world from doing it. Youd have to have like police man following around every one person.

Rules and Ammendments only work some of the time people still brake them..

Yeah i probelly went of the cours of this thread.. heh i dont know what im talking about half the time. I just felt like posting something.



Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:07pm

Originally posted by Pariel Pariel wrote:

Dude, you didn't even think about it. You just said what popped into your head first. That strikes me as suprisingly idiotic.

I am awfully judgemental-just like you.

I will resort to name calling when it suits me.

You're welcome to quote me on that.

Out of respect, I re-read everything that I wrote.   I didn't see anything that was not well thought out, documented with why and ended with a conclusion.

Remember, just because in someones mind they think, "Hey, I'm just making what the government is doing literal," doesn't mean that the rest of the people outside that persons head think the same thing.   MOST people just see someone burning a flag.



Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:10pm

Thanks Hades, good to butt heads with you again!  LOL!

I need to get some stuff done as well myself.



Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:12pm
Pariel, I wouldn't fight Rico on this, he is equal to clark on debate wins.

And screw you, I am NOT idiotic most of the time. Granted everyone has their moments, but ask ANY one that has been here long enough *before the whole Limp Bizkit incident started* and they will say that I *Bugg* was actually a good forumer.

I could care less that you are a dumbass or that anyone hates me. Lets stay on the topic here. (Bah, kinda hypocritic post but w/e)

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:18pm
So, you're saying you never see symbolism in protests? You've just implied that.

That's pretty doltish.

You're just asking for more of the propaganda this government is feeding this country with a serving spoon.

If you can't see symbolism in protest, you're argument that protesters are un-American has no support whatsoever.

Maybe people do just see burning a flag-but most people probably ask why, then listen to what the people are saying, and ingest that along with their government supplied halucenogenic.

The government doesn't care about what our flag stands for-there's a reason someone on this forum has/had a sig that says:

Pro-Bush=Anti-America

This government has consistently shown that it feels it's right to crack down on citizen's rights, even ones that are considered permanent. There's a reason we have a BoR. Nothing in that has become outdated yet. There's no reason to say that flag burning should be illegal-it's been done for over 200 years here.

Rather than worrying about the welfare of the citizens of the United States, our so called "representatives" have decided to take measures to reduce the power of the people. Somebody royally screwed up their priorities.

*EDIT*Bugg might have been a good forumer. Whether or not he was, Linus has not been.


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:20pm

Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:


Wow, flag burning again...for 1,000 points: anyone know the proper way to dispose of an old American Flag?
Isn't it by......burning?

edit- didn't read the 2nd page when posted...



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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:21pm
Very good.

That said, it's in an entirely different setting.

It's why we have Flag Day(which was last week, if I remember correctly).

*EDIT* Nice Linus, you just keep stabbing yourself in the back-I like people who discredit themselves.

You're welcome to make fun of me, but don't say that I shouldn't make fun of you.

That said, I did remove it, and it was innappropriate.

It was, however, also the truth.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:22pm
Pariel, wake up and smell the concrete, Bugg and Linus = same person. I havn't changed. Hell, I only went that brief 4 weeks period that I was actually considered a "bad forumer" by you guys.


In a time of war, some freedoms have to be taken away to protect the people.

The government is here to serve the MAJORITY not the MINORITY.

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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:26pm
I don't really care what the rest of the forum thinks of you, I still think you suck. I never said you weren't Bugg, I said you actually showed some level of intelligence when you were posting under the alias of Bugg.

Show me your majority.

Somehow flag burning during the Vietnam war was OK, yet now, during our "War on Terrorism" it's not?

You'll have a hard time selling that one.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:30pm
I never siad flag burning during the Vietnam conflict was ok. SHow me where I did, otherwise shut up.

WHERE DID I ONCE SAY THAT? No where, ignorance may be bliss, but in your case, it's just stupid.

I think you suck becasue you have no basis to attack me, especially after this whole thing was dropped 2 weeks ago.

Majority was the ones who voted Bush in, watch the news some time.

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Posted By: Atrosity
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

No.  Transsexual is where you are born with BOTH sex's reproductive organs.

No that's a hermaphrodite (sp?), a transsexual is a guy that wants to be a girl, or vice versa.


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:33pm
Oh, I think hysteria was OWNED! Hysteria, learn to read.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I have burned a flag.
Ok, American or what?

If it's American, leave our country since you don't like it.


American.

Noone ever said I didn't like this country.

You see, like they say, when you "assume", "you make an ass out of you and me".  Well, only you, but the point remains, none the less.


Fine.  Since Linus wants to ignore my post, I'll continue this all by my self.

I was in Boy Scouts.  We burned them to "retire" them.  Like I said, you assumed, and you made an ass of yourself.  Good game.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:35pm
But see, if you only give certain amounts of info, hysteria, all people CAN do is assume. Not like I can read your mind...

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:38pm



Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:41pm
*Looks at Hysterias sig*

Hmm.. owned and soon to be guested.

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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:42pm
bugg is a tool

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:43pm
*Looks at XTeams sig* Hmm.. ironic..

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:43pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

But see, if you only give certain amounts of info, hysteria, all people CAN do is assume. Not like I can read your mind...


You could ask me why I burned them.  Assuming is NEVER the only thing people can do.


Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:43pm
*Looks as Linus' sig*

Laughs becuse he knows Linus could never put anyone in a coffin.


Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Oh, I think hysteria was OWNED! Hysteria, learn to read.


Read, eh?  No you fricking idoit(idiot).  I got terms mixed up.  That is TERMANOLOGY(TERMINOLOGY), not READING.   You immature, imbecalic(imbecilic), good for nothing (edited to prevent strike).  Why don't you go listen to your (edited to prevent mod strikes) and shut the (edited again) up.  Pariel is right.  NO(space)ONE LIKES YOU.  Another thing for the (edited, once again):  How did he own me?  He corrected me.  That is in no way, shape(comma) or form an "owning".  You suck at typing, you suck at reading, you suck at argueing(arguing), YOU SUCK AT LIFE.


Just giving you a dose of your own grammar criticism.  Your grammar has officially been owned!


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:44pm
While you are right there, the amount of info you gave me led me to belive you burned it in a demonstration, sure I jumped ot conclusions, but so what, I'm human.Ha, OWNED by black, and he doesn't even like me!

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

*Looks at Hysterias sig*

Hmm.. owned and soon to be guested.


You know all about that, don't you?


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:45pm
FIXING

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Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:45pm
In any event, flags should only be burned when they are going to be retired.  Anyone who does otherwise doesn't deserve to live here.

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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:47pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

*Looks at XTeams sig* Hmm.. ironic..

you are a tool

 

i am the tool

theres a difference asswipe



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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:47pm
Thank you Black

I'm fixing my previous post, I don't want to be in trouble for fighting.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by BlackDeath7 BlackDeath7 wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Oh, I think hysteria was OWNED! Hysteria, learn to read.




Just giving you a dose of your own grammar criticism.  Your grammar has officially been owned!


You mostly corrected my spelling, not grammar.

Learn your "terminology" before you try "owning" anyone else.  It just makes you look silly.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:50pm
Thank you hysteria and Xteam, picyures of your offenses are going to mods as we speak, I look forward to meeting your new names.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Ha, OWNED by black, and he doesn't even like me!


It is funny how I just made you look bad, yet you couldn't even say anything back to me.  You had to let someone else correct me, and fight your battles for you.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:52pm
Hysteria, that is becasue I have gone back to my good forumer ways, I'm not fighting. I refuse to let some little kid get me in trouble. If I want to get in trouble, I'll do it myself thank you.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:58pm
So, back on topic...

Flag burners suck and don't deserve to live inside the U.S.

Agreed?

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:59pm
Well, since I changed my posts, I guess BlackDeath7 is the only one getting in trouble.

Don't be a hero.

"If you decide to quote or copy a post made by someone who is an idiot, whatever punishment that I give to them, you get it as well."

-Reb.


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

So, back on topic...

Flag burners suck and don't deserve to live inside the U.S.

Agreed?
no.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:00pm
Hysteria, I took pics of your post, you aren't getting off of this one buddy.

Benjuchang, explain...

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Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by BlackDeath7 BlackDeath7 wrote:

In any event, flags should only be burned when they are going to be retired.  Anyone who does otherwise doesn't deserve to live here.


So aren't you're really saying that anyone who protests doesn't deserve to live here?  Since its not really the burning that's the issue...its the implied disrespect. I would think that was a very dangerous path to start down.

Also, the Supreme Court produced this little gem today http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_seizing_property;_ylt=Al7_fBKb8NJhSBDVQ5hm2zCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY- - Court

Not sure I like the looks of that at all. It certainly violates the spirit of the 5th Amendment if not the letter. As of today local governments can seize your property to allow for private (for profit) development and you have no legal recourse. This is much more troubling than flag burning. 


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:02pm
Flagburners should be allowed to do whatever they want. Afterall, this is a free country.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Hysteria, I took pics of your post, you aren't getting off of this one buddy.

Benjuchang, explain...
Kicking someone out of this country because they burned a flag sounds kinda...fascist (sp?)? It really is freedom of speech. If someone wants to voice their lack of satisfaction for the government, what is so wrong with that?

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:04pm
Better, the governement cannot do any sort of business "for profit"

Look at Americas Army, the game. They can't sell it becasue it's run by the DoD.

OK ben, like I stated before. Saying you will kill the president is also techincally "freedom of speech" but it's also against the law.

There ARE boundried to our rights.

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Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:06pm

Linus you really need to read the link. It applies to a case in Conneticut but here is a quote.

"As a result, cities now have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes in order to generate tax revenue."

Edit: to clarify the government itself would not be profiting(well not directly but increased tax revenue is questionable) but if a big development company decides it wants to build a shopping mall where your house is all they have to do now is convince the local government that it's a good idea and they can take your home.  "Eminent Domain" still applies of course but still, this is a serious setback for property rights.



Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Better, the governement cannot do any sort of business "for profit"

Look at Americas Army, the game. They can't sell it becasue it's run by the DoD.

OK ben, like I stated before. Saying you will kill the president is also techincally "freedom of speech" but it's also against the law.

There ARE boundried to our rights.
Yes, but you're not intending to infringe on anyone else's rights by burning a flag. Saying you're going to kill the president is different because you are saying that you intend to kill someone, and if carried out, is definately illegal not to mention morally wrong. You're not hurting anyone else by burning flags..You really can't compare the two scenarios.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:13pm
Linus:

If I get introuble your little buddy and you are going down with me.  I took a picture of his post.  Although he did edit out my bad words, the flaming was still there.  Also, in the same shot, I got where you said "Hysteria got OWNED, Hysteria learn to read".  This is flaming too.  What applies to one applies to all.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:15pm
No, it isn't a basic right, because again, the government is meant to serve the MAJORITY, not minority, so if the majority is against flag burning, it is against THIR rights to burn flags.

Hysteria, you really are dumb at times.

They don't constitute flaming as "Learn to read" They say flaming is what cedirc and I did to eachother previously and what you just did.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

THIR rights to burn flags.


Right thur! Chingy style.


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

No, it isn't a basic right, because again, the government is meant to serve the MAJORITY, not minority, so if the majority is against flag burning, it is against THIR rights to burn flags.

Hysteria, you really are dumb at times.

They don't constitute flaming as "Learn to read" They say flaming is what cedirc and I did to eachother previously and what you just did.
Actually, the government is meant to serve the majority, while respecting minority rights.

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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:19pm
I guess I'll start burning Bibles instead. 


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:21pm
Leave it to smitty to bring religion in

Benj, yes respect the minority, but no matter what you think, they HAVE ot honor the majority's thoughts more.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

No, it isn't a basic right, because again, the government is meant to serve the MAJORITY, not minority, so if the majority is against flag burning, it is against THIR rights to burn flags.

Hysteria, you really are dumb at times.

They don't constitute flaming as "Learn to read" They say flaming is what cedirc and I did to eachother previously and what you just did.


Yes, I know I'm dumb.  Yes, I got a shot of that one too.

It is kind of ironic how your buddy BlackDeath put his butt out on the line to defend you, yet you aren't even going to attempt to help him.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:44pm
Good double post

And right after he posted that one post, I pmed telling him he might want to edit it becasue he could get in trouble for quoting you.

Don't believe me ask him.

Look who's assuming now.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:50pm

Originally posted by Badsmitty Badsmitty wrote:

I guess I'll start burning Bibles instead. 

I'd much rather burn bibles than flags, but since they are so close to each other lately, I could do both. I laugh at those who actually think it's treason to express your disbelief in their own country's actions.

Anyways...should it be illegal to burn the French flag? Many of you say no...but we have these freedoms and this free country because the French helped us in multiple wars that could have caused us to never exist as a country.

Burning the flag is an expression of speech, something that should always be protected from those that can't see beyond the end of their noses.



Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Good double post

And right after he posted that one post, I pmed telling him he might want to edit it becasue he could get in trouble for quoting you.

Don't believe me ask him.

Look who's assuming now.


Which double post might that be?

It does not matter.  I already took a screenshot of the offensive post.


Posted By: phillll227
Date Posted: 23 June 2005 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:



Wow, flag burning again...for 1,000 points: anyone know the proper way to dispose of an old American Flag?


well, I don't know if this has been posted, but the proper way to destroy an old flag is to separate the blue field from the red and white stripes. The two pieces are then burned separately

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