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Topic: paintball shotgun
Posted By: the evil turkey
Subject: paintball shotgun
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 9:47am
does anyone think it would be possible to manufacture a co2 powered, shot-gun type shell-fed thingy, with shells that could be used for holding multiple paintballs, a water balloon, whatever. i have a design for something like this, just no way to build it...maybe tippmann ordinance could be of assistance....



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Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 9:55am
go search for this and you'll get your answer

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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 10:03am
hmm...i know... a full automatic shell-fed cannon....lol it could shoot lots of water balloons...this is sure to make the all-time stupid list...


Posted By: Mr. Heckler
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 11:32am
The TOP of the all-tme stupid list.

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Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Mr. Heckler Mr. Heckler wrote:

The TOP of the all-tme stupid list.


bingo

first off, the shotgun is not accurate unless at close range. then you want to add paintballs into the mix? double bad accuracy? sure its nice at close range, but by that time, you're shot. there is a barrel/handguard avaliable to look like a shotgun. but you still get one paintball at a time. opsgear.com had it


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Posted By: HITMAN 4 HIRE
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 1:19pm

Interesting idea, but certainly not "stupid" and the idea definately doesn't belong on top of the "Stupid Ideas List"(which is stupid in every way) with the nukes and what not. 

I've oftened wanted to have a paintball shotgun to blow into someones chest upclose in a rec-game.  Shotguns would be great and add a different form of play in paintball.

evil turkey... I'm all for your idea!



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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 3:00pm

There is a video of one floating around. I have it on my computer.

It sucks.



Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 3:55pm
Read before posting!


Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 4:48pm

stick your tounge in an electrical socket...



Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 4:54pm
Been done many times.

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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 5:53pm
If your close enough to use a shotgun, your close enough to make them surrender.


Posted By: Nutteralex
Date Posted: 27 June 2005 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

If your close enough to use a shotgun, your close enough to make them surrender.


Oh so true.


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Posted By: Chappy061
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 7:10am
there is a scatter shell that has been made to go into paintball grenade launchers, i have a video of them using it, search for it.

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Posted By: Knight of Fire
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 12:18pm
Yea I think its called the Thunder Grenades, The latest version being a simple and somewhat more better design since it Fires 4 .68 caliber paintballs instead of tons of mini paintballs.
But The firing system is different compared to other launchers since the the CO2 is held in the shell, go figure you need to spend more money for the Thunder grenade Charger and a 12 oz bottle of CO2 for 30 charges before the tank needs to be refilled. And you need to buy a launcher built for it

So the its about 80 bucks for one Shell, 30 for the Charger, 15+ for the Co2 tank, and 180 and up for any of the launchers desgined for it and then any of the paintballs needed to fire. so its not cheap, And some fields I think Are trying to move away from the Scatter shot to Nerf Rockets becuz of the whole Insurence safety issue. Though I heard the 68 calliber one I mention above can fire nerf vortex rockets.

The only other close solution is the 600 doller and up Double Barrel Typhoon from Palmer...... which Fires 2 paintballs per pull of trigger

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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 12:55pm
ok,i finished drawing up the designs, and the shells will also be able to hold nerf rockets, so it is no longer a shotgun only. imagine a full-auto nerf rocket barrage :P if i ever get the funds to build one ill kick all of your asses.


Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 1:36pm

A lot of you don't know much about shotguns. Monk, Nutterlax and Millslane. I think it's a worthwhile idea but needs lots of development.

I have not seen the paintball shotgun you speak of, however the shotgun should be just as effective at further ranges as your marker
(past surrender distance). Since all of your shotgunning experience is probably from video games, I will clear a little up for you. A slug through a shotgun is actually not half bad with accuracy. Shotguns are made for hitting moving targets. The "spread" makes up for your inaccuracy, so you actually have a better chance to hit with the shotgun. The spread is actually not that wide, and also not a flat spread out sheet, but more of a 3-D cloud of projectiles that holds pretty tight but can be adjusted through choke. It not only has to do with choke - A 12Ga with 00 Buck shot will spread about 4-8 inches at 10 yards, and AA turkey shot will spread by almost a couple feet at that distance.

Some friends of mine tried experimentally shooting one of themselves with a grape shot round of paintballs in the potato cannon. So a buddy of mine covered himself in padding and PB masks and took it to center mass from the cannon. Dumb idea. Instead of spreading out over the 50 feet, the balls grouped tightly and knocked him back onto the ground, he had a HUGE bruise on his right chest/shoulder. I would be afraid this thing would take your head off, but who knows what the velocity was. CO2 would be much better.



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Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 1:59pm
nick, i have more experiance with  12 gauge then playing video games. i hunt. clean them, i reapsir them, i'm not 14 years old.  i understand how the shotgun works. how are you suppoed to produce the spreading effect in the marker? with paint filled airsoft bb's inside some sort or capsul that releases them flying as accurately as possible. ok, that might work. but what happends to the capsul? how does it make its way to the out of the chamber? seems like too much effort. just buy the shotgun handguard from opsgrear and be done with it. you get the look and the feel still.

Fully Functional Paintball Shotgun = bad idea


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Posted By: attackpotatoe
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 2:32pm
buddy i already did the same thing try to use the search button or ill post it noe it to your forehead

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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 2:36pm
hmm...wel if the shotgun has ejectable shells that house the payload between packing wads then it could be effective


Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 3:42pm

Originally posted by the evil turkey the evil turkey wrote:

ok,i finished drawing up the designs, and the shells will also be able to hold nerf rockets, so it is no longer a shotgun only. imagine a full-auto nerf rocket barrage :P if i ever get the funds to build one ill kick all of your asses.
Are you planning on having a hopper full of nerf rounds or what.

Theres no way in hell you can have a barrage of nerf rockets. By teh time you fire the first and stick the next down the launcher the first will have already landed.



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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 5:40pm
uh, thats the purpose of the belt feed mechanism, it keeps feed rockets to the gun..it will be boxes of shells linked together, the shells could hold rockets, paintballs, or whatever payload you want...it should be able to fire more than 5 rps


Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 6:03pm
i didn't think this idea could have gotten any more stupid than just the concept its self. but alas, people continue to amaze me


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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 6:13pm
youl be more amazed when i kick your ass with it. 


Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 6:30pm
sell your idea to a manufacturer and prove us all wrong then.

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Posted By: EriK6
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 7:41pm
I've seen a paintball shotgun before powered by CO2.

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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by Millslane Millslane wrote:

sell your idea to a manufacturer and prove us all wrong then.


lol gotta build a prototype first....


Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by the evil turkey the evil turkey wrote:


lol gotta build a prototype first....


that was implied


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Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 10:34pm
I made this to let the newbs to the site know that there are certain ideas that are over-used and have been done.

To the Newbies:
There are certain ideas that will get you flamed and ridiculed.

These topics are:
Paintball Flame-throwers or paint-throwers
Paintball Shotguns
Rifled barrels
Paintball Minigun or chaingun
Paintball Missiles
Paint-knifes and bayonets
Silencers and supressors
Bullet / Football-shaped paintballs
Tippmann Pistols

THE HELLHOUND IS NOT FOR SALE
THERE ARE ALSO NO PLANS FOR SALE
QUIT ASKING


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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 11:08pm
this has changed more to a thread about my idea for a belt-fed full auto canon lol...which isnt on the list. and originally it was a clip-fed shotgun/multi-round cannon, which also isnt on your list.

and i also dont mind getting flamed/ridiculed if the thread was to see what people thought...


Posted By: Millslane
Date Posted: 28 June 2005 at 11:57pm
thank you lester


Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 11:29am

millslane,

I have a half cooked idea for you to shoot holes through. Forget useing a .68" bore for your paintball shotgun, and make a bore about the size of a soup can. A clump of balls drops in through a pump action, in front of a massive phnematic chamber that blows decent pressure, for a longer amount of time (still <1 sec).

After my friend got tagged by paintballs from the potato cannon, it layed dormant for a while. But out of curiosity I loaded it up with some old cheap balls and fired it at a sheet of plywood against the fence. I used a paper towel as wadding and put about 20 balls down the 2" bore of the cannon's 3' long barrel. There was a spread on the board of about 1'. I shot from about 40' along my backyard. I don't know the velocity.

So step it down by using phnematics instead of combustion, shorten the barrel, open up the bore size for more spread at closer distance. Make it safe, reliable and easy reloading. It would be one hell of a pump, you would have no where to run out in the open when a cloud of paint came at you. Sounds Napoleanic.



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Posted By: xfire'd
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by the evil turkey the evil turkey wrote:

uh, thats the purpose of the belt feed mechanism, it keeps feed rockets to the gun..it will be boxes of shells linked together, the shells could hold rockets, paintballs, or whatever payload you want...it should be able to fire more than 5 rps


 I'm honestly not sure if your making an automatic grenade launcher (don't even look into this), or what you originaly said, the shotgun. Belt fed shotguns just look plain stupid, as well as get problems of reloading 1. mechanism for loading could be much more unreliable if not profesionaly designed, 2. the belt needs some sort of box if its over 5 shells, otherwise it would tangle up and become useless, 3. field owners would probably get upset if spent cardboard shells are all over the place.

 Possibly the best way of making the shotgun is to make it simple as possible, and also to be able to luanch several different types of shells. in-line clips (such as those used on paintball pistols), are a good place to start with the prototype. Also have the same caliber as the balls so that you can shoot those in case you run out of your shells


Posted By: xfire'd
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 3:43pm
 One more thing, it also might be a nice idea if you can make it be able to hook onto another marker such as the 98 and be able to share the tank, use standalone co2, or be a pump-action. Versatility can be a good thing.

 Of course, if you do that, you have balance issues to overcome.


Posted By: 98'suck
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 5:09pm
how bout instead of a shotgun we make a  paintball dildo  with 20ops (orgasm per second) so u can use it up ur newbie ass . if u wernt so **edited**ing stupid  and new u could realize that this idea has been done hundreds of times. go  play some **edited**ing speed u pig **edited**er. and buy a  real gun.


Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 8:14pm

I've got a paintball shotgun...it fires about 250 fps, and is somewhat longer range than any other paintball gun I've seen, due to the added inertia from a sabot on the tail of the round.  It is also quite acurate despite only a 7 inch barrel.

I don't use it during games, but it's fun to plink with.

It fires 2 balls, creating an extra large splat pattern.

 

 



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 10 July 2005 at 11:12pm
LOL, how did I know Klaus would chime in?

 How's the sawed-off monstrosity doing these days, Klaus? I haven't been around for a while.

Anyway, I'll draw your attention to this thread over at MilSimOG:
http://www.milsimog.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=69 - http://www.milsimog.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=vie wtopic&t=69

Scepter's been working on a shotgun for some time now; bottom loading, .68 cal tube fed. It's a milsim that fires standard paintballs.

As for an actual shot round, there are several 40mm M203 rounds available for paintball that will fire any number of .68, .40, or 6mm paintballs. Scepter also has several underbarrel launchers that will addommodate this, and RAP has released some as well. There are other companies that have done it too. It's hardly a new or impractical iidea- it's just expensive to use in play.


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Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 10:44am

A heavily modified pump action with underbarrel feed could be made to look exactly like a real 12 gauge...does that gun actually look real Brihard?...and, for milsim purposes, could a modified pump action be switched to bolt action, via linkage arms or something?



Posted By: xfire'd
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 3:14pm
 It probably could, if you knew how to with the tools you have. You (Klaus) could probably rig up something on your double-ball shotgun to make it able to shoot shells, which can have about a third more paint than just the two balls. I've seen a nice cardboard rig thats used for one of these m203 prototypes, its basicaly a toilet-paper roll cut almost all the way through. See, the cardboard tube keeps the salvo compact while inside the barrel (losing less more pressure and has lower friction), but once its fired and travels outside the barrel, the tube "flowers" apart and falls back.

 The shotgun honestly isn't a bad idea, its just all the "traditionalist" paintballers dont want to be covered in paint from just 2 shots.


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 10:27pm
The Scepter shotty is going to very clsoely resemble a real shotgun. Mossberg 500, I think. They do some great MilSim markers in terms of looks. They're working on a magazine fed MP7 right now as well. the shotgun will undoubtedly look almost like the real thing.

As for how easily a pump could be made to a bolt action, I suppose it's really a case of having the amterials and equipment to cut your own parts- certainly you could put a metal shell around the receiver of a pump and put a linkage arm connection to the simulated bolt action handle. The only difficulty would be in actually manufacturing it. It would certainly work if you make it carefully.


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Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 11:43pm

Originally posted by xfire'd xfire'd wrote:

 It probably could, if you knew how to with the tools you have. You (Klaus) could probably rig up something on your double-ball shotgun to make it able to shoot shells 

I already have shells built, rapid reload shells



Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 1:55am
ask a physics major or something, they always know these things


Posted By: RT_Happy2005
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 2:19am

There is such thing as a paintball shotgun that uses .50 cal balls but that is about it.  Its a pump and shoots one at a time.

 

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I was thinkin about purchasing the power feed for the 98...does anyone know if it is worth it?



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Posted By: Arbites
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 7:57pm

I have never believe the paintball shotgun deserved to be on the "non-official list of redicule producing ideas". After all, it has already been made and marketed.

There are several of the Mil-Sim companies that sell paintball gernade launchers that have shotgun loads. "Back in the day" there was even a fairly popular one called an M-79 (which really looked like the old Vietnam era M-79). It used pre-loaded rubber inserts that coul dbe packed with a single grenade or multiple 0.68, 0.62, or 0.50 cal paint as a shotgun blast. It had 4 power levels: single 12 gram CO2, double 12 gram CO2, single 12 gram nitrogen (I think), and double 12 gram nitrogen (again I think). Each shot expended the entire (or both) 12 gram cartridge to launch the load.

I do not know how effective it was since I never used one, nor saw one in action myself locally. I could not afford the $300 after buying my $300 SMG-60 in high school, but I always thought it would have been cool to get it and mount is under the SMG as a shotgun back-up for the 15-rounds the SMG carried.

Rap 4 has one for sure, Tippmann Ordanance used to (but their website is no longer available), Armotech has a a marker model with a grenade launcher option and I'm sure I've seen others.



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Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 14 July 2005 at 6:38pm
If you want something fun to plink with (do not use on a human being, or animal)...cut the top off of 12 gauge 2 3/4 steel shot shells, drain the bbs, and pack 2 paintballs into the wad...load them into a shotgun-but first make sure your choke allows paint to go through the end unharmed, or it will make a horrid mess.  Works well in break action and pump guns, but semi-autos will not cycle, due to lack of anysort of recoil.


Posted By: MKB98C
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 1:25am
Originally posted by Millslane Millslane wrote:

go search for this and you'll get your answer

It doesnt work, ive googled this about 50 times and come up with nothign. There is a double barreled paintball marker wiht 2 hoppers but i dont think it sprays like a real shotgun. If you make a paintball shotguna nd sell me one, i will <3 u forever.


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Posted By: Arbites
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 2:07am
He meant search INSIDE this site for it. Even though I like the shotgun concept even I will say its over talked about.

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Posted By: the evil turkey
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 1:24pm
guess what guys? now me and a friend are working on and almost finished with plans for a paintball minigun!!! man i thought this topic would be dead, but its alive and well...ive figured out how to make a shotgun/ cannon with multiple shot BTW, but i will not disclose the way were gonna do it yet...the minigun should be able to fire over 60 bps, though most vets have said dont make it so fast, so i think i will make it adjustable. anyway i can start making one of these projects once i figure out how i can get an injection molding machine...

man i'll probably manage to set a record for most flamings in one topic...


Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:22am

If you want a shot gun go out to Dunhams or whatever sport store they have were you live and buy this pump gun called the lerado same effect and not even 1/3 of the price you can get them here for 20 bucks. You have to be 20 inches for effective range and by that time the guy has either shot you or he's going to give up because you are to close to him.



Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:40am

Originally posted by Millslane Millslane wrote:

go search for this and you'll get your answer

wow, there has been lotsa old ideas I thought were stowed in the Krpyt for life and recently they have been emerging...lets hope the paint knife and bayonet stay died (For the Record THEY DON'T WORK)



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