I think there would be. Taking in consideration that these people who committed the act followed the warlords because they were the sole providers. Taking these aspects, anyone working for the mafia would rightfully so fight the law in order to protect their superiors. Just as much, given the right setting and maybe a little different set of people instead of the law and the mafia, many Americans are not above doing the same.

Somalia as a country didn't drag those men, specific individuals fighting with the warlords did. You cannot generalize them to the rest of the population in that city.

If it's alright, Linus, I'd like to get in on that-

A:) I agree with to an extent most of the time as you seem to be a fellow conservative

B:) I think you're wrong here. Just because we're American, there's alot of savage acts that go on here. Yes, I believe that Americans would gather to watch Osama Bin Laden dragged, raped, beaten, or whatever. I think they would do the same for alot of people. The only difference is that we're too lazy to go into the streets-they'd watch it on CNN.

*edit* sorry if I stole any points from anyone-it takes a while to get this stuff typed out

We as a people also have not been in the same situations as they had; however, I would never put it past us.

However, with some deep reading, some of you may find incidents during the Revolutionary war when our countrymen had grossly displayed the bodies of fallen British soldiers.

Rodney King riots?

The entire 1960's?

Slavery?

Code Red?

Verious vigilante groups over the years?

The Klan?

Abu Graib?

Death penalty?

Byrd?

Floggings?

Salem witch trials?

LAPD?

Prison executions?

Guantanamo Bay?

This country has a long illustrious history of lynching, public brutality, quasi-sanctioned violence, mass hysteria, and generally rude behavior.

The idea that "it couldn't happen here" is false, no matter what "it" is.

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Dude, slavery was world wide, not just in the USA and has existed since like the begining of time. Then all of a sudden someone said "Oh no, its so horrible that some people are taking part in what is common practice and has been so through many an age."

By the way, the civil war had nothing to do with freeing slaves at first. That concept came to be because the South was handing the Norths arses to them on a silver platter, causing the masses to demand an end to the war. The North wasn't about to let the nation to be split in two so they searched for a common goal to rally the people into supporting the war, which was freeing the slaves.

Didn't you learn anything in school?

Oh, and no matter how "horrid" of a display the somalis showed by dragging the bodies of vanquished enemies was....its war. You again have to go back countless centuries and look at all the times a warrior has beheaded his foe and carried the "prize" around for all to see. Same thing, different era. And if you try to say "were more civalized than that now" they are a 3rd world nation, clearly not as civilized as many claim we as a race should be in this modern era. There should be no rules to open war....end of story. War is a horrid thing for a reason, and the more you sugar coat it with rules and crap, the more people die for stupid reasons and the less afraid lesser nations become at wageing it.

Robert E Lee said somthing to the extent..

It is a good thing war is so horrid, or else we should grow too fond of it.

This kind of stuff has been going on forever man, the ONLY reason we even catch wind of it is because of the media, who grows fat on exploiting things like this and twisting everyones mind to think what they want you to, act how they wish you to, and do what they tell you to.

Also, the human race is very capable of some of the darkest, most twisted and vile acts ever thought of. Society as a whole can be influinced to believe anything through propaganda and politics. All it takes is someone who knows how to speak to a crowd and razz the masses. Look at Nazi Germany, an entire nation twisted to believe one thing. The human mind is a very dangerous thing when unleashed in directions such as that, all it takes is a little guidance.

Nothing separates us from them, including an almost dictator-like leader.

However, the majority of Mogadishu didn't participate, that city is gigantic and only a couple of thousand fought against the soldiers. We are savages for the brutual treatment of our own people as well.

Linus. 

Please stop making completely outlandish and unfounded claims as if they were "facts".

The population of Mogadishu is approximately 1,200,000 people.  By your statement AT LEAST 600,001 people participated in dragging a dead US soldier through the streets.

Ignoring for the moment the logistics involved (which would make this quite a feat), what on Earth makes you think this is true?

And you really should read up on the 60s, and on Jim Crow laws, and on slavery, and on American history in general.  Seriously.

You are wrong, Linus.  Very very wrong.

Not to divert...   But I actually support the death penalty, at least in theory (although the application leaves much to be desired).

I put that in because many outsiders view that as inhuman brutality - one man's brutality is another man's justice.  A little relativism is good for the brain.

The penalty system is not based on revenge, it's retribution, incapacitation, protection, but not revenge. The death penalty has no place and is just as uncivillized as torture.

It doesn't matter the population, Clark is right. The whole place didn't take part. You're trying to make us look like the good guys and them look bad, which just won't happen.

Reading some of this makes me wonder why I enlisted to defend some of you people.

Haha.

Murdock wrote: Reading some of this makes me wonder why I enlisted to defend some of you people.

Pardon?

Hey, nice marmot!

Murdock wrote: If I go in to it Ill get striked for sure man.

As long as you dont curse, filter-dodge, or name-call specific people, you wont.

Can you back your little argument without cursing? 

Hey, nice marmot!

Yes, but there are other things that can get you strikes other than that man...trust me on this one. All my life my mouth has got me into tons of trouble cause I don't take crap from people and I don't back down.

Murdock wrote: Yes, but there are other things that can get you strikes other than that man...trust me on this one. All my life my mouth has got me into tons of trouble cause I don't take crap from people and I don't back down.

I have been here alot longer than you have.

If you do not curse, you will be fine.

Now just say what you have to say.....

Hey, nice marmot!

Doubt it man, I'm proably lots older than you. But okay.

Some people are ungrateful little idiots who live for nothing other than to cause trouble for better men than themselves, those people should be rounded up in a barn and put to a machine gun and the world would be rid of many of the problems we have today. Makes people who actualy love the country sick to hear some of that crap coming out of lesser people than themselves mouths when they can't even step up and put their lives in harms way for the benefit of others. All they do is sit at home and badmouth all those people who die every day that ensure they can sit at home and be arrogant little <poopy>.

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Don't step up to the plate and protect those, or put themselves in harms way. I'm pretty sure I can complain about the stupid moves our government makes as much as the next guy.

Your info says you're only in your early twenties, that doesn't constitute "lots older," so he can have his own opinion.

I have my concerns on it's legality for one.

Secondly, he's attempting to correctly do the job he was elected to do, that doesn't mean he's successfully completing it. His approval ratings show that. Unfortunately, he goes unchecked because his cronies can be found in every section of government.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

-John Stuart Mill-

oh well, see you in hell then eh. at least when i look back on my life i will have no regrets. and im not in it to save iraqis, im in it to kill them.

Ill be shipping out to Paris Island around November.

Not exactly true. Many of the insurgents are from other countries, as been pointed out before.

You don't even know who your target is? That's a scary soldier.

Haha, too funny. I guess that's all a matter of opinion.

However, I do think you should lay of the history channel and fox news for a while, just a thought.

Murdock wrote: heh, if you think your lil cop skills can stand up to a Marine

The bullcrap alarm is sounding in my head.

Dune, I think we have a 15 year old here, claiming to be a super-marine-ranger-delta-spec-op-demolition-terminator....

Hey, nice marmot!

agentwhale007. wrote: Murdock wrote: heh, if you think your lil cop skills can stand up to a Marine The bullcrap alarm is sounding in my head. Dune, I think we have a 15 year old here, claiming to be a super-marine-ranger-delta-spec-op-demolition-terminator....

Give me an "O"....Give me a "W"....give me a "N"...give me a well you know the rest.

ya, this things been stupid for a while but you kindave just get sucked in to the stupidity of the masses. reminds me of someone who said

a person is smart, people are stupid.

dont remember where thats from though but with all this it makes sense

Murdock wrote: nah, soon as i get out of college in im in they said i need 15 semester hours of college to go due to circumstances. getting all my goodbyes in and crap together and be shipping out around november.

Your supposedly going into the Marine Corps AFTER college? Why even go to college in the first place?

And you spell/type pretty poorly for a college student. Im not perfect at all, but sheesh... 

Hey, nice marmot!

i know, its 351 pm and that means its way passed my bedtime. i work graveyard so i cant see or think too well for a while now but oh well

Murdock wrote: i know, its 351 pm and that means its way passed my bedtime. i work graveyard so i cant see or think too well for a while now but oh well ya, i moved here from arizona my senior year of HS and the school i went to required 20 credits to grad and the new one i went in to required 28, so i went through my last year and ended up 8 credits short cause of that crap so i juse said to hell with it and went to work full time. sooooooooooooo im gettin some slack cut and will be allowed in upon completion of 15 semester hours of anything academic in college

So you are a highschool dropout?

Im so confused, the lack of grammar....

Hey, nice marmot!

needed a full time job to support myself so kindave had no other choice

Glassjaw wrote: Are we the grammar police?  How did you not understand that....oh wait....you were just being a tool and trying to get attention.....oh that's right.

Why are we so fiesty today??

Hey, nice marmot!

Murdock wrote: nah, soon as i get out of college in im in they said i need 15 semester hours of college to go due to circumstances. getting all my goodbyes in and crap together and be shipping out around november.

What college are you attending? The Harlan County Kentucky school for wannabe marines who don't read good and want to do other things good too? You have to pass the entrance exam to get into the Marine corps first, that might be a challenge.