Death Penalty
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Topic: Death Penalty
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Subject: Death Penalty
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:19am
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Does it?
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:21am
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If you are willing to commit a serious crime such as murder, you are not thinking about the consequences.
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Posted By: MagicMikebb
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:21am
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Where is the Hades option?
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:22am
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I'm talking about you though. Does Death strike fear in you? Are you
afraid to take somebody elses life because you don't want to lose your
own?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:22am
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Real criminals do not fear the punishment. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:23am
According to the experts, the death Penalty doesnt deter crime, but it makes me feel good inside.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:23am
I'm not one to judge myself from such a standpoint because I've never truly thought about killing another. ------------- |
Fat Stalin wrote:Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:25am
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I do believe it makes people feel good; however, looking objectively like I must, it does nothing. |
Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:30am
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My own morale strictures are what keep me from hunting half of you down
and shooting you in the face (twice), not the fear of some half cocked
justice system. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:53am
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Most criminals dont care about your morals. Most here do even think I have any. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:02am
| I cant think many criminals think about the consequence at the time of the act... |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:09am
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The death penalty doesn't scare people in most places because they'll probably never live to see it...I disagree with it though. I don't like taking lives unless we're talking war here. ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:10am
it's moral structures not morale...morale means mood... ------------- 
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Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:17am
Nuts. It is strictures, however, not structures. |
Posted By: Johndcjr1989
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:20am
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:51am
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No, here in California, the chance of you actually getting put to death is next to none.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:51am
simple typo on my part...my bad, i need to slow down whilst typing. -------------
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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 8:17am
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yea i doubt they are ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 8:26am
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I doubt if i could kill someone anyway, let alone worry about the death penalty.
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Posted By: Mag-a-Man
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 8:33am
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Posted By: Puma45
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 9:52am
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I don't think it scares anyone, because they all know that putting
someone to death takes so long. All the automatic appeals and legal proceedings that it takes draws it out for so long. How long is it, twenty, twenty-five years sitting on death row? Also, criminals are definitely not afraid of going to jail or prison. Today, going to jail is like a mark of honor for kids, once they get out, they are considered hard because they have done their time. I think the whole Justice system needs to be revamped. It's not just the death penalty. People getting out early because there is no room. A simple revamp won't do the trick though and neither will pointing fingers. It makes my head spin to think where it could lead. |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:14am
| No the death penelaty doesn't scare me, but prison does. My dad was a police officer and when I was really young he would take me to his office and to the prison. It was, erm, well I don't want to be there. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:23am
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3 things that scare me the most: 1. death 2. prison 3.rabid midgets with missing arms. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:58am
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I have seriously considered killing two people in my 16 years of life. The thought process's were different in each case. The first time I considering taking a knife to school. Then sneaking up behind my victim and violently stabbing him through the neck in hopes to end his life painfully but still infact end his life. The second time I wanted to kill my best friend. We all had very little sleep and he did something to me that I won't mention on here. Well I was thrown into a rage and I was grabbing for a metal bar to bash his skull in but was stopped by other friends. In my first experience, the person I wanted to kill was a bully. I didn't go through with it obviously. I thought about the consequences then. But I never thought about the death penality because it doesnt exist in Canada anymore. I even thought about how I was only a minor and that I could probably get out of jail by 20. The second time I thought about absolutely no consequences whatsoever. I was so en-raged that I had one goal in mind. That goal was to kill him. ------------- |
Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 12:40pm
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It doesn't deter crime but it does help the victim's family/friends find closure. I mean i'd be happy knowing that the person who killed my friend is gonna be fried. ------------- 
Back by popular demand |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 12:47pm
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Giving closure in a form of revenge to the family does not equal justice. That's an excuse that is too subjective and gives no logical reason for keeping the death penalty. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:13pm
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Not only do I favor the death penalty, we need to expand it to what the government says are lesser crimes. I personally think rapists and child molesters and murderers need to be hung, not given some lethal injection that you cant feel and no one gets to see. I bet if you hung someone for rape or murder and people could see it, they would definately think twice about committing it themselves, but thats just my opinion... ------------- 
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Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:21pm
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Back by popular demand |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:22pm
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Worst. Idea. Ever. ------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:24pm
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What gives the government the right to take away something they can't give back?
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Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:27pm
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Back by popular demand |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:28pm
....So? Basically you are saying you believe that the governemnt rightfully can take away your house to make it a parking lot, or take your car for no reason what so ever? ------------- |
Posted By: Penguin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:30pm
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no. i was just making an attempt to be some what witty, I actually hate the government with a passion. -------------
Back by popular demand |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:41pm
What gives a person a right to take away a life unless he has done the same. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:14pm
| This isn't eye for an eye. It didn't work then and it wouldn't work now. People who favor the death penalty usually do so because of how it makes them feel, not based on what is humane and right. We condem a murderer because he made a choice to take someone else's life away. The government does the exact same, just in a reactive sense. |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:19pm
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Well, usually murder is a reson... ------------- 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:21pm
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No. It does however scare me how many innocent people are put to death. |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:23pm
Not. Really. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:24pm
| Yes, yes it is. To expand the death penalty is to allow for a lot more mistakes than already made. Rape is such a delicate subject because in many cases, the defendant is actually not guilty. The death penalty is an expensive tool that serves no purpose of justice. |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:35pm
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Well not necessarily rape, but if someone is on Death Row now, im sure that they are guilty. And how is the death penalty more expensive than feeding and clothing a prisoner for life. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 3:51pm
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Legal procedings. They cost a lot, lawyer costs, court costs, paying the procecuter, the judge, the jurors, the bailif, all that stuff through countless apeals and such.
Now, if when a deffended was convicted and sentenced to death, did the judge pull out a gun and shoot the defendent. That would save money. But thats not how the legal system works. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 4:02pm
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"We hereby find _______ guilty of three counts of murder-" BAM! "Baliff! Bring the body bag please. Court dismissed." -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 4:27pm
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I can think of many things that keep me from killing random people. Fear of the death penalty (as opposed to a long prison sentence) is not one of them.
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 4:40pm
You're superman- you have to save them. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 5:28pm
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Did you have to bring my job into this? A guy goes to try to take a break, maybe report some news...
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 6:20pm
| As of now, 23 individuals who had been executed have been later found out through DNA testing to be innocent. That's 23 too many. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 8:42pm
Off subject. You said the Death Penalty has NO use in our justice system. I just proved that nearly 50% of all people aged 10-40, male would be deterred from commiting a serious crime because of the death penalty. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:27pm
| You did? When was this? No way has 50% of this forum stated they would be deterred by the death penalty. Are you making this up? |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:28pm
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84.36% of all stats are made up on the spot
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:30pm
| Other than, "because they deserve it," I haven't heard a logical reason for enforcing the death penalty. Even when innocents have been killed, people still think it's alright. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:40pm
The statistics were different when I made my post. But as of right now, 48% of the forum would be deterred from commiting a major crime because of the death penalty. Sort of is counted as yes. This is only based off of the people that voted. -------------
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[28.00%]Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:42pm
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Do you know how to read numbers, taking just raw scores, only 7/26 people are deterred by the death penalty, that's not 50% genius. There is no use for the death penalty, none. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:43pm
So 'Sort of' and 'yes' ment the same thing? Wow, what a flawed, sucky poll.
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:45pm
Well, it certainly wouldn't go under 'no'. Some people are 'sort of' deterred from doing a major crime because of the death penalty. And I was proving to Dune that it does, in fact, deter crime. In this study, it is at around 50%. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:48pm
| FAT STALIN, YOU ARE WRONG. Your statistics are wrong as you cannot count and create an accurate ratio. Please read my post before you look even worse. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:48pm
'Sort of' dosent go under yes or no, its a tossout. Sorry. And no, 50% didnt say yes. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:49pm
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I bet, when most people kill someone they think.
"They wont kill me" "I wont get caught" "Im just a crazy nutter" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:51pm
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My point to Dune was if it deters people In ANY WAY. He said it doesn't
in any way. So it's irrelevant if 'sort of' wasn't added. 26.92% still say yes it does. But he
said it does nothing to deter crime, so therefore 'sort of' was doing something. It
then, in turn, went under yes. Sorry if that post didnt make to much
sense...
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:54pm
| So you've decided to argue semantics now? No, I will stand by my argument that the death penalty has no deterrent value in which it could be used as a logical argument to keep that punishment around. You may see 29% of those who probably will never commit a crime actually put "yes" in a forum poll; however, that is no where near valid evidence that it is of deterrent value. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:56pm
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They probbally won't commit a major crime because they are afriad of
the death penalty. I, for one am and also for moral reasons. But it
plays a role.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:57pm
| You've got to be kidding me. Use some logic here. Those who may not be stopped by their morals are not stopped by the death penalty. With that idiotic logic then we should have less heinous crime in states that use the death penalty correct? |
Posted By: Fan of Flip
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:59pm
| I don't think that it does anything because most people that comite crims large enought to get the death pinitaly don't think that they are going to get caught. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:01pm
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=17&did=437 - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=17&did= 437 An article from the New York Times dated September 22, 2000. Obviously alot has changed since then, but it's interesting nonetheless. The study by The Times also found that homicide rates had risen and fallen along roughly symmetrical paths in the states with and without the death penalty, suggesting to many experts that the threat of the death penalty rarely deters criminals.
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:03pm
I'm done, you win. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:04pm
| The states that use the death penalty the most are the southern states, also the states that have the most amount of violent crime. It can be said that those states utilize the death penalty more BECAUSE of the crime; however, many experts see it as a different relationship. One in which crime should lower because of the high use of the death penalty, which is not the case. |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:28pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:36am
| It doesn't matter who initially took a life away, because no one can decide to take theirs away on a basis of what that person did. It's murder. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:37am
It's what that person deserved. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:39am
| So you get to say what a person deserves? You can say that he deserves death? Wrong. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:41am
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Why am I wrong? Because you have a differing opinion than me? I do
beleive more evidence should be shown before a person is put to death,
but I believe it serves a purpose.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:44am
| What purpose? Makes you feel fuzzy inside? There is no justice whatsoever. I do not fight against you because you have a different opinion. I fight those who act as if they have the power of the almight to choose who dies and who stays. That decision should not be given to anyone, not even the government. There is no logical reason to KILL our own civillians. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:46am
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When that person took anothers life, or several, they made a choice. If
they got caught, they knew they would probbally be put to death. They
chose it. Not somebody else. Therefore, their life should be taken
away. That my opinion. Obsiously you think differently and we aren't
going to change each others opinions.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:47am
| It just makes no sense. You think you are able to choose whether or not a murderer should die, you are no better than the murderer. It takes an objective person to look at the issue logically. Especially when the system has killed 23 innocent people to begin with. To look at that figure then continue to support the system is scary. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:51am
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How far back does that go? How many of those innocents have been in say, the recent 20 years?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:51am
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12 Only those that have been absolutely proven as of now. Plenty more cases are still standing. The death penalty is a waste of time, money, and effort. It should be trashed. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:53am
| I should also point out that 200 convicts that had spent over 18 years on death row have been released because of proven innocence since DNA testing came onto the scene. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:52am
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Dune wins, with the help of the Innocence Project. Any claim that everybody on death row is guilty is idiotic. |
Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:27am
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That's why I said more evidence should be presented before a man can be sentenced to death.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:46am
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An internet poll with 25 responses is your basis for the claim that you just "proved" that "nearly 50% of all people aged 10-40, male" are deterred by the death penalty? Lord help us if you ever go into research. |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 12:04pm
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What happens when a recently freed con, who has already killed, kills again? -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:47pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/04/ipod.killing.ap/index.html - The threat of the death penalty didnt deter the two teens. -------------
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 2:45pm
It was based off the information here. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 2:58pm
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Yeah, i think if you are ready to kill someone, the death penalty isnt going to deter you. The decision to kill a person is a big big decision for most people.
Or theres the other end of the spectrum. You dont care about killing. You could kill the waitress monday-friday to get out of the lunch bill. These people ae just crazy, and couldnt care two shakes of a lambs tail about the death penalty. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:36pm
| The death penalty is only there to serve those that feel "better" when someone is murdered by their own government. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 12:42pm
Ahh, someone had done their research. Someone that knows this much about it must have a stake in law in contemporary society. Hmmm. |
Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 12:44pm
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For once Dune, I agree with you. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 12:48pm
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I know, it's scary isn't it? |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 12:58pm
| I don't know about you guys, but I'm still waiting to hear an answer from Murdock as to why cops are the lowest life forms on earth? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 1:52pm
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Because you're like, mean and stuff. Duh. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:05pm
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You give us traffic tickets.
Maybe he had a bad brush with cops with something he didnt do? Ive had something similar, really as far as im concerned, cops are just people with badges, they arent any different from any other average person. They arent flawless they arent saints. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:10pm
| Kind of like soldiers. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:13pm
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Kinda like teachers. They are just people. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:14pm
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I had a bad experience with a forumer so using the forum logic, I think all forumers are all rotten people... -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:18pm
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K you are a smart alec, this much we know. Fact of the mater is, most people dont like cops, until they catch someone trying to open the door to their shed, then cops are there to save the day and everyone loves cops all over again. Or a whole bunch of them die, then again, everyone loves cops. I guess its a love hate relationship. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:22pm
Agreed, also Hades empty thee PM box... ------------- 
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