War 101 Second Lesson
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Topic: War 101 Second Lesson
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: War 101 Second Lesson
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:30pm
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Many on the last War 101 posting turned it into the they said, we say game, missing the intent of the original post, the method of war called logistics.
Iraq, and Saddam, had at one time chemical weapons, more than likely a total NBC WMD program in various stages of developement, before the 1st Gulf War, after the 1st Gulf War, and up until when, who knows. But the violations of the Cease Fire Agreement over 10 years, whould lead any rational person into suspition mode. And like any good criminal, still hides his gun, and uses his lawyer to convince and prove that he does not have a gun each time he is brought in on suspition of whatever, and Saddam had his gun hidden and the UN was a perfect lawyer, doing what lawyers do, saying he has no gun, never had a gun, and would never own a gun, and is not obligated to say where if he had a gun where he would hide it, that is if he had a gun. Because he used a gun once, does not mean he would ever use a gun again, and no you can not look in his room, but guess what we executed a "search warrent", and we found evidense that there was a gun, and there still may be one, just well hidden and we prevented its eventual use, good enough for most Americans. Beyond that the Logistical battle on the Infastructure of the Terror Networks is the primary method we have to defeat the movement. So the War in Iraq may be unpopular, the reasoning and reasons will be questioned by many, but Saddam did nothing to prevent what happened and more than not facilitated the response. Rather there than here, for now. By the way Goodsmitty, what was your motivation for joining our all volunteer army, the education bennies? No-one in your view actually sees duty to country as a motivation, just poor dumb slobs lookin for a collage education. Narrow view of our youth based on your personal opinion isn't it. I joined in my day knowing I was going to war, and did it for reasons you probably could never understand. Guess I come under the dumb hick definition you see us all as. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:32pm
| We have a duty to fight against a foreign enemy that is less powerful than the freaks we already have in our country? Man, when did this come out? |
Posted By: redneckdeerhunt
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:33pm
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saddam hs alot of guns he had some gold ak47 ------------- i love to hunt and lite things on fire 98 custom smartparts progressive double trigger lapco bishot pen spring mod 20 oz rocket cock dye invision mask |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:33pm
| I dont know why, but OS, I always agree with you |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:34pm
| And I always disagree, funny how the world works. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:37pm
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------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Dune wrote:Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:38pm
he also had a gold plated kalashnikov sniper rifle. dont rember the whole name of it. someoen has one in thier profile... i think its thompson shooter. i also recall gold plated rpgs. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:40pm
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He also had a Koran writin in blood, wich by muslim religious law is a serious no no. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:50pm
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Yeah, it was written in his blood. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:53pm
I heard it was Bat Boy's blood. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:54pm
Ah, the beauty of sarcasm. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:54pm
| I heard he eats babies. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:00pm
Seriously, that made no sense whatsoever. Number 1 : The freaks you mention are elected by the people Number 2 : Why would the army attack the people its protecting Number 3 : That addresses none of the points made by OS ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:02pm
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Read before you write. The freaks I mentioned were those criminals in our own country in which we as Americans come into contact with daily, not terrorists. I was making fun of the fact that OS believes we have a duty to "protect" our country by fighting people that will do less harm to the country than those already living here, such as the molester next door, or the burglar down the street. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:05pm
I heard he ate a whole family size bagful in one sitting. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:05pm
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Haha, he did, he's got quite an appetite. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:32pm
I agree with OS totally on this post. And most of the regs know that me and OS never get along... ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:35am
How is it ironic? Maybe a little advice you should take into consideration. |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:05am
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Nobody cares. Your war sucks. wrap yourself in the flag and dance the bugaloo in the city park on the 4th. I joined to pay for college, but I am very proud of my service. I did it, it's over. I quit living in the past and I don't expect everyone to gush with unquenchable indebtedness to my military service (as do you). We both volunteered, whatever our motivations. If your motivation makes your military service greater than mine, and that makes you happy, then good for you. Kudos to the patriots who serve out of zeal for their nation. My nation got their investment back with interest with my service. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:29am
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Goodsmitty, I do not care what you believe about me or my service, and my concern is again your current personal/political bigoted reference to our servicemen and woman in thier service motivation, just seems a tad illresponsible, from a veteran, but I expect nothing else from those such as yourself who saw and see service to the nation as only a personal gain not a period of comraderie, loyalty, pride, and respect.
There are those in our society who have volunteered today and in the past, to protect your right to have these bigoted views of them. And to target them in political retoric for serving as ordered, again shows the true nature of the those who only see the military as a political target of scorn, to further thier leftist political agenda, no matter what the cause the military is sent to defend/protect. No matter, people such as yourself will never see the justifacation of this or any conflict (unless it is a Dem in office using the military as a meals on wheels, political legacy building exercise, 11years later still in Bosnia, after a promise of a 1 year mission, and not a peep from the left on that "occupation"), until that conflict is at your front door, then you will blame those who tried to keep it over there, for not doing all to protect you over here, nature of the leftist political beast. Both of you try to make it to Realms Of Ruin Aug 20/21, just would be fun to share a few beers, and we could both understand the true nature of "the enemy". BTW I am the General for the "human" side (so bet if you show you will sign up as "alien", nature of the beast). -------------
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:37am
for some of us its different than patriotism. For me its a tradition. Everyone in my family has been in the army, including my mother. Now im a sophmore(high school) and im working my grades to get into West Point. Now i might end up being the first officer in my family. So make a long story short. It's not about being a patriot and dancing the buggaloo or whatever. It's about tradition,freedom, and what our brothers fought for in the first place. Now if they had a flag smiley id shove it up your bum hole |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:49am
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Didn't you join because you had committed some felony, and a judge gave you a choice between hard time and joining the military? That, and your draft number was just about up anyway? |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:28am
Take a breath Lt. Dan. He's having a dispute with O.S. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 12:02pm
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Seriously, it's kinda disgusting the ay some of you slob on OldSoldier's knob...get your own opinions and stop being such a lemming.
OS's point is real simple, he just takes a few paragraphs to get to it. We have already been declared war upon, so either we sit back and keep getting atacked, or we take the fight to their homw land....would you say that's correct? I'm just tired of reading a few long-ass paragraphs, and at the end I realize it's just some more OS dribble that could have been wrapped up in a sentence or 2. It seems to me the only difference between Goodsmitty and Oldsoldier is open-mindedness. OS lives ina world where he can never be wrong....what's the use of debating with someone like that? If you aren't growing, you're dying! |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 1:44pm
We're totaly shocked to hear that, mostly because he didn't think you could talk with your head always in his crotch. ------------- 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 2:08pm
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Well, I'm more talented then you give me credit for Mbro... -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:25pm
| ^^^haha, just when I start to hate you, you always make a funny one. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:26pm
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I always saw the war on Iraq as being something along the lines of...
"Well, we're already here in Afghanistan... I mean, cmon, you know we really don't like Saddam... and he's right next door anyways, might as well." 
But seriously, I think the next time another conflict like this happens, just stand down and do nothing, and then when the opposing country gains enough power and finally attacks the US, the damn anti-war, anti-everything hippies will be begging for help, and realize why prevention was necessary, whether or not Saddam had this "gun", there was always the chance he did, and the fact that he didn't co-operate was just adding to America's decision to invade. America is like a condom, and Iraq was a potential case of AIDS... better safe than sorry. Just thought I'd let it be known that I'm applying for the reserves in 2 days (wednesdays are meeting days for the reserves) casue I turn 16 (Minimum age for reserves) on July 7th. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:31pm
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K if i shot 30 people with an UZI one day. Then a cop sees me, and recognizes all the wanted posters. Hes not just going to walk up and ask me to take a walk down to the pricinct. Hes going to takle me and all that. Twist my arms behind my back blah blah blah. Its not like i can say "But i didnt even have my gun! GOSH!" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:33pm
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Uhhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but saddam wasn't responsible for 9/11 attacks....Osama Bin Laden was.
Why have we caught some dude that wasn't directly involved in the attack, while the guy who takes responsibility is still at large? Why not take care of the guy who is actually openly planning(and carrying out) attacks on your country? Rather than the guy who is a "bad guy" but doing nothing directly to our country? I have no problem with getting Saddam if he is such a bad due, my problem is that we have Osama Bin Laden who is actually attacking our country, and no one seems to care about him. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:36pm
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I never said he had anything to do with 9/11. I dont think he did. And i want to hear more about the search for Osama Bin Ladin. I think he should have been higher on the priority list. It could be that Saddam was a target of opurtunity on a long time line. I dont know what going on over there. But i know we have people in Afganistan and Saudi Arabia. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:36pm
| Saddam had commited war crimes and the like, his people were dying and thought we were the cause. We also believed he had WMD's. It is in fact like taking two birds with one stone. Im repeating superxero but he's bad and so is osama. We saw it as the oppertune moment to take them both....but we only got Saddam |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:38pm
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And there were and still are terrorists in Iraq. Weather they are homegrown or foreign, i dont know. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:39pm
| homegrown haha |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:40pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:40pm
Well, what else do you want to call them?  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:48pm
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So does anyone else think that's weird?
We have one man who has been open about his hatred of America and its people for years now...Osama Bin Laden. He organized a bunch of terrorists to hijack American planes, full of American civilians, and crash-land them into American builings containing THOUSANDS of innocent Americans....one of those buildings was the freaking PENTAGON for christs sake! THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT AMERICANS have died as a direct result of Osama Bin Laden's beliefs, leadership, and subsequent attacks on our country as a whole. What has Saddam done to our country that even remotely comes close to this? |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:50pm
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Because last time I checked, we got Saddam, and no WMD....and Osama is still out there plotting.
I really don't see how the world is a safer place. The real threat is still at large. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 3:53pm
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He has been networking for decades. He wont be found, he is on his own terf, he knows the area. He knows the caves, the valleys and the mountains. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:18pm
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History Lesson: Bet our Grandfathers thought it was "weird" that prior to Dec 11th, 1941 (look up what happened on that date) Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany did nothing close to Japans attack on Pearl Harbor. By todays left logic, why should we have gone to war against Germany, it was a European War, no threat to us over here this side of the Atlantic, no way he could invade or do any real military harm to us, only the dastardly Japanese were the true threat.
Were we at war with France in 1944 when we invaded thier peacefull country? Many then as many here now with Saddam and Iraq, saw Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany as a threat to us, and they activally protested our involvement assisting the British prior to Dec 11th. We had a "League of Nations" who assured us Hitler and Germany were no threat to world peace, even negotiated the annexation of Austria, and Czechoslovakia to Germany for a promise of "Peace in our Time". The rumors of FDR's knowing of the oncoming Japanese attack, the violations of the Neutrality Act by FDR's approval of the "Lend Lease Act", no simularities in history to today are there. And after that war the rumors were proven true, the Holocaust, Nuclear Weapons programs, the jets, the rockets, everything that The German American Bunde did all to disprove before our military involvement. Appeasement to evil, just allows evil to gain power strength and time, over those who only try to see the good in the world. Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany never attacked America either, yet we went to war with Germany, and look at what history proved and we prevented by doing so. -------------
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:23pm
| i think we made a wee bit of a mistake by taking on the tojo's. The nuke should have been our first line of defense on the japanese. Did anybody else hear that historians say that america missed its chance to take over the world. They say that when we bombed hiroshima and nagisaki that we could have made the rest of the world surrender because of fear of getting nuked. Anybody think that's true? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:27pm
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Yes Dune, I was convinced to "enlist" in the armed services by the judicial system, but I still had the other option available. I also won the "lottery" of 1968 as number 2 date pulled in the draft.
I did enlist, recieving a "RA" designation as a enlistee who had choice of Military Ocupation Speciality, and initial duty assignment, where my "US" designated draftee brothers did not. But I did volunteer for 11B Infantry, then Airborne School and then combat service in Vietnam, where I could of chosen a nice safe stateside "clerk and jerk" MOS and still got the same GI Benifits. My reasoning was if you join the football team, you would prefere to play in the game instead of being the waterboy. And it "Twas the best of times, twas the worst of times". "Each to their own, each only need to believe in self and what he did was right." Would rather hunt as a lion, than be led to the slaughter with the sheep. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:32pm
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"My motto is: Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to thier level and beat you with expierience." -------------
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:35pm
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It's not like they haven't been trying to capture Osama, but no one knows what he looks like underneath that beard and turban, so chances are, he's in the US Senate unnoticed (I saw a documentary).
And there was all that tal kabout Saddam supporting and funding the Taliban and Al Qaeda etc... ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:37pm
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I know where Usama is, hes driving a cab in NY or hes working at a 7-11 at DC metro. Under that beard, he could look like a texan with a tan. He could easily blend in anywehre, especialy in the middle east. He could shave his beard then walk up to you and do your bank transaction and you wouldnt ever know. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: zak
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 4:59pm
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hes damn near 7 feet tall. he blends in no where. osama is hideing a hole right now fearing for his life. the whole time the were fighting the russians he was on the front lines fighting. we rolled into town and started kicking asses and takeing names and he hid like a little girl. and if any of you kids were half the man OS is you would be twice the men you are now ------------- |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:06pm
| ^WTF, when have you ever met me? OS would be someone to be respected if he didn't jam his war hero jive down your throats at every opportunity. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:09pm
So that means im 1/4 of OS? Shut your mouth. Osama isnt scared, people have been trying to kill him since before you were born. He knows what hes doing and hes in his element. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:10pm
I know Sadam is a "bad guy", "evil-doer" whatever your right wing catch phrase is for the day. That's a given. My point is simple...where is Osama? We have government officials saying they "have a very good idea" where he's at...why not catch him first before Saddam? Why not catch him now months after we've caught Sadam? Do we even still care about Osama? Or is it all about saddamm now? I just think it's funny how you demand respect for your service, and put yourself on a pedestal above all us civilians, yet you openly disregard GoodSmitty, whom if I recall correctly, has actually served in Iraq. So, do war heros deserve the utmost respect, like you expect? Or do they deserve to be disrespected, like you do Goodsmitty? |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:13pm
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:22pm
I have a lot of respect for you OS, but that example doesn't seem to apply to our current situation at all. Germany declared war on our allies in Europe and World War Two was raging when we declared war on them. German subs also were attacking American ships. In the Iraq situation, Saddam was sitting around watching weapons inspectors go around his country. Nobody was dying. No threat, no world war. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:29pm
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Lots of people were dying in Iraq, his sons were spycholic and he was a megalomaniac. He was killing people and hiding them in mass graves and secret prisons. But other than that you are right. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:31pm
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he is really tall. I think id recognize him if i saw him. Anyways if Saddam, the leader of a nation was forced into a hidey hole, i think that Osama is too. Lets think about the fact that almost all of Osamas video tapes have been inside caves. THis could be so that we dont see any landmarks or anything though. Still i think he seldom isnt in a cave or hole. Doesnt osama have like a disease or kidney faliure happened or something? |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:33pm
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Yeah he needs a dialysis machine. And he has been operating out of caves since before our war on terror. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:35pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:51pm
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 5:53pm
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Boy, you sure make a lot of assumptions about somebody you never met!
I took every tough assignment handed me and earned four ARCOMS in three years. Not bad for a selfish bastard.
Point out to me, anywhere, in any post that I have scorned the military.
Wrong, I would still call the war stupid. Why is that so hard to understand? Scratch this down for your future reference when your assumption machine goes kablooie again: 1. Goodsmitty is a moderate, not a democrat. He voted for Bush in 2000. 2. Goodsmitty shares many beliefs of both political parties. 3. Goodsmitty supports the soldiers, not the war in Iraq. Hope that helps. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 6:02pm
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Hmm, so you enlisted to avoid going to jail. That seems self-serving to me. I went ROTC to avoid being kicked out of college and so my old man could take early retirement. Now, what is the difference, Capt America?
Now I can see how you rate yourself so superior over all other veterans. RA means "really awe-worthy".
I see that you are indeed superior to all other MOSs who, BTW, took care of your chow, laundry, paycheck, and every other necessity.
Sounds like you would rather hide in the jungle instead of protect your fanny in the prison. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 6:06pm
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Somewhere between the jaded rhetoric, the unjustified insults, and the
awful grammar, the point of the original post—the second War 101
"lesson," if you will—is hidden. Unfortunately, I could not find it
with a couple quick skims, and I am not fond of sifting through Bravo
Sierra, to use the term that OldSoldier so affectionately brought to my
vocabulary some time long ago when I read his splendid articles on
paintball. So, Linus, you agree completely. What is it that you agree with, exactly? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 6:06pm
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owned by godsmitty.
Dear godsmitty you criticised the war and enlisted to pay for college, you hate the military............... Love, Captain America EDIT: Also oldsoldier, learn how to spell the word "their" cripes every fricking time you type it wrong. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 6:44pm
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Im just an unedumacated, typing challenged, too dumb to us the GI bill vet, ask Goodsmitty.
Actually I have admitted here several times that I am spell and grammar challenged. And vision going two, bifocals now, so cant easily read the keys before my typin finger hits em. BTW..Goodsmitty, on 4 ARCOMS, whose corn flakes did you P in in the modern self generating NCO/Officer feel good about promotion point awards world. Jeeze, dissappointed in the lack of desire and effort. Just rambled in being bored at truckstop again, holiday, nothin to do nowhere to go....will leave you all to the leftist we are the only one who are right world, and we can prove it....even if we have to fabricate it, right CBS.................. Also hope you two can make it Realms of Ruin Aug20/21...interesting mix of beer, paintball and political views, a good "know your enemy" get together. Like all soldier "bravo sierra" contests, nother ever personal on my end............... PS: Another self admitted charactor fault is my youth, yes military over jail time, but have done time here and there for interesting events, still retentive, and accidents have happened to those around me who happened to have had unique ideas. Being 11BooBoo is the only way to go for as I debated while at the Command and Staff School, "no matter what else you do in the military, or how important you feel, till I the lowly infantryman, am able to stand on the enemy's piece of ground, rifle in hand and say, this area is now mine, the rest of you have not done your job." Oh one more thing....All wars suck when you have to fight em, know that by expierience, just hate repeating that expierience because as we have seen recently we have never been allowed to finish what we were sent to do, without the media and political rectal exams at every thing we do, as required by the left. -------------
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 7:31pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States - I think we declared back. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 8:23pm
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Boy, way to be modest about your achievements OS. Are you demanding respect rather than conventionally coming up with logical arguments and receiving it through relative points and positions? |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 8:47pm
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^Thank you.
OldSoldier, I'm not here to rip or rag on you, I know you probably don't care about what I have to say, but this is my passing opinion of you: You have served this country, and that's appreciated. Since I have come to this forum, you have had this "high and mighty" attitude, and the only people you seem to respect are the ones that brown-nose you. Basically, if you were a bit more humble about it, I would have no problem giving you some "props" on your actions/achievements. But instead, you jam it down our throats at every opportunity, trying to make your service time something that makes you better than the "rest of us". After reading that you were forced into the military rather than go to jail, I was shocked....you act like someone on a real high-horse, when it comes down to it you wouldn't have even served had you not got into trouble with the law. Then you have the nerve to rip on someone that did volunteer with good intentions...WTF? remember, I'm no combat veteran, and I probably can't snap your neck with my bare hands in a half a second, so don't feel obligated to answer lil 'ol me. But wait, when I turned 18, I signed up for the draft....does that make me better? Who cares. |
Posted By: zak
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 9:14pm
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i really dont think he forces hes heroism on us or what ever the hell who ever said thats said. and weather or not he was or wasnt forced to join he still sereved and i think some of yall need to show a little more respect. zesty i wasnt talkin about you. you make inteligent arguements and your not a total asshole like some otheres. and im not slobbing his knob i just get pissed because some of the these kids have no idea about life war or anything ------------- |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 9:33pm
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No, actually I was planning on joining before my run in with the law...military family tradition...just probably would have gone collage ROTC and the Officer route as my father USAAF, USAF, but would have served either way, expected by tradition, was important in my family.
I am no better no worse than anyone else here, but my opposite members on thier "high and mighty" know more than anyone else horse is just as offensive to many, but thier views are the more popular here, so less scrutiny is paid to thier thoughts and opinions. It is my mission here as the resident "right wing conservative wacko" view, to counter the oppositions "left wing liberal", views. My opinions and views are no less radical than my opponants here, but just the opposite view, and just review the suspect signatures for proof of bias, and as we can see confrontation and conflict is the true nature of the beast, be it in war or forum debates. Yes, I had a very colorfull and eventfull career, I know little else and I am a fish out of water in the "look out for yourself only" civilian world, where my soldiers were and still are first in my mind. One of the reasons I drive a truck is I can not deal with the office politics and "bravo sierra" in todays bussiness world, tried, but my take care of your subordinate employees over self was not considered being a "team player" in the Werner management view, ask Hywayhzd on my reputation at Werner Enterprises, I took care of the drivers that I dispatched, and was not popular in the management eyes. I am not formally educated like many here, no time in my career, and tried again but todays collages really do not appreciate 50plus year old conservatives in thier classes with contrary expierience ideals to thier views on the world and how it "should be", as compared to how it truely is in the world, as flawed as the real world is outside the campus walls. Those here who have met me personally, played the game with me on the fields, and shared the comraderie off the field, know the true me, and not base thier view of me on any perceptions the few here care to cast on me. My knowledge and expieriences on the field of battle has greatly enhanced my game play, as well as my teachings of those skills to others, that is what I enjoy, and the fond memories of days long past. Yes, there is a book at the publishers for final review approval, "Play the Game" an Oldsoldiers Way of Scenario Paintball, tentative title. And after wifes vast proof reads, various editor changes, and rewrites hopefully fall 05. There is a passion to the game.. -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 9:45pm
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The thing is, you are delussional...from what I see, most these forumers have kissed your rear end since I've been here...at least the majority of them.
You are not seen as a conservative whacko, just a semi-dellusional person who selectively reads. Basically, I actually agree with many of your points, but the way you present them makes me feel "violated" to even try and side with you....you know you're right, so what's the use? ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 9:51pm
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wow harsh words, I think I walked in at the wrong time. *slam* (walks out the door) ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 10:35pm
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I'm sure you were referring to me, and first off, don't call me a kid. Secondly, what do you know about what I know of war? I may not have been in the service, but handing out respect just because of a position they served is like handing the silver star to Pat Tillman just because he was famous and got himself killed. I never said OS's post weren't intelligent; however, it's too difficult to even read through them when I constantly feel as if I owe him something. My views are radical, and I understand that. Wanting freedom for all is very radical to those that want to restrict it for themselves. However, handing down respect just to him because he was in the service seems like a brown nose that serves no true purpose. |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:04pm
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Respect. You give it, you get it. A universal concept ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:07pm
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Booya. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 July 2005 at 11:20pm
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Forget the "booya" what's up with a sloppy, lesbo-style kiss?
We can include another breezey if you insist. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:32pm
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 3:58pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 4:00pm
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Never said I gave it to everyone Mbro... -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 4:21pm
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 4:37pm
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Posted By: SR_Crewchief
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 12:26am
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Will that was "entertaining". With some stategicly placed words OS definetly has the "junior" element stirred up...again. Most of you failed to sift for the real content.
Most of you ask "why Iraq?" and "why hasn't Osama been cought?". Iraq was chosen for the second state to be hit in the "War on Terror" for several convinient reasons. Some being:
Those aren't perfect reasons but when added to the ones put forth for public consumption were adiquate from the administations point of view. And just to make it plain, Iraq was a correct target in a war against international terrorism. The method used wasn't ideal in my opinion though. Now for the rest of the diatripe that I've seen in this thread...I haven't witnessed so much uninformed drivel in quite a while. Probably has to do with my not being around as much as I used to be. This isn't a defense of OS, he's a good personal friend who already knows my opinions and where I stand, for he needs none. Take a look at the vitrol that most all of you have pored into this thread and others lately, then ask yourself if you honestly think that your conduct is in anyway honorable and intelectually honest. For those of you that don't understand... I pity you. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 12:35am
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And right there is, I believe, the central criticism of the administration. There was no need for all the made-up excuses for invading. Honesty would have been good. |