Nitro.Gun
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Topic: Nitro.Gun
Posted By: Pro_Carbine
Subject: Nitro.Gun
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 11:54pm
Why dont you need Nitro for electronic guns exept for phirana, spydr and tippmann? but for rest you do
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Posted By: Jackal14
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 11:59pm
nitrogen is cleaner and more consistant. but the real reason is because nitrogen is more stable and is kept at room temperature. the liquid co2 going through a gun or just the cold temperatures caused by it cause damn to o rings, electronics, and other such things in the more higher end markers.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 12:05am
The higher end guns have more delicate internals. These may be optimized for high speed and gas efficiency, but they are not built to handle C02. Hence, they need HPA/Nitro.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 3:06am
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 4:53am
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board
whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high
rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 10:38am
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board
whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high
rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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I just saw all of that as well.
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Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 10:42am
hybrid-sniper wrote:
The higher end guns have more delicate internals. These may be optimized for high speed and gas efficiency, but they are not built to handle C02. Hence, they need HPA/Nitro. |
It goes the same for a lower pressure...low pressure markers + HPA = Good.
It is also just more consistent. No one uses nitrogen gas anymore (at leaste pure nitrogen) because it is to spendy. The majority of the community use HPA (HIgh Pressure Air) because you just use the air we breath (which is 78% nitrogen anyway).
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 3:18pm
Pro_Carbine wrote:
Why dont you need Nitro for electronic guns exept for phirana, spydr and tippmann? but for rest you do
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Tippmann is not electronic and the other two are almost imposter electronic markers
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 4:53pm
hybrid-sniper wrote:
The higher end guns have more delicate internals. These may be optimized for high speed and gas efficiency, but they are not built to handle C02. Hence, they need HPA/Nitro. |
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Posted By: want my balls?
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 5:40pm
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 5:42pm
Jackal14 wrote:
nitrogen is cleaner and more consistant. but the real reason is because nitrogen is more stable and is kept at room temperature. the liquid co2 going through a gun or just the cold temperatures caused by it cause damn to o rings, electronics, and other such things in the more higher end markers.
Kevin | Exactly.
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Posted By: Unicorn
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 8:24pm
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board
whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high
rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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Compressed air is considered more stable with regards to temperature. CO2 will change pressure much more than compressed air. If you live in an area that has cool morning and hot afternoons, even a 20 degree difference, say 50's in the AM and 70's or even 80's by midafternoon, you will notice a difference in velocity because of the pressure differences.
HPA that is supposed to be used for the tanks is filtered to remove at least the moisture. It is supposed to be the clean breathable air as used by SCUBA divers and firefighters in their SCBA gear.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 8:37pm
Unicorn wrote:
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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Compressed air is considered more stable with regards to temperature. CO2 will change pressure much more than compressed air. If you live in an area that has cool morning and hot afternoons, even a 20 degree difference, say 50's in the AM and 70's or even 80's by midafternoon, you will notice a difference in velocity because of the pressure differences.
HPA that is supposed to be used for the tanks is filtered to remove at least the moisture. It is supposed to be the clean breathable air as used by SCUBA divers and firefighters in their SCBA gear. |
Right-o. The SCUBA/SCBA air is breathing quality air, as well as the air that comes from compressors. Most high pressure compressors put out "Grade E" (I think that's the one) breathing quality air. So unless the filters on the compressor are old and dirty, HPA is a very clean method of propelling a paintball.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 10:22pm
that doesn't make CO2 dirty....
and your definition of stability is really bending the term.
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Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 10:28pm
Well I'm guessing the only reason that people would think that CO2 is dirty is because there is carbon in it.
Carbon is the black stuff you see when you burn your pop-tart.
However I fail to see the difference in cleanliness.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 2:17am
I think this may come down to the FORUM MYTH BUSTERS!!!!!!
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Posted By: 98CustomMan0101
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 11:29am
You all seem to have bits and pieces but no one has the whole thing yet... not that I no the answer though.
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Posted By: Pro_Carbine
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 11:12pm
TruePaintballer wrote:
Pro_Carbine wrote:
Why dont you need Nitro for electronic guns exept for phirana, spydr and tippmann? but for rest you do
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Tippmann is not electronic and the other two are almost imposter electronic markers | E-GRIP AND E-BOLT AND E-TRIGGER?
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:47am
Pro_Carbine wrote:
TruePaintballer wrote:
Pro_Carbine wrote:
Why dont you need Nitro for electronic guns exept for phirana, spydr and tippmann? but for rest you do
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Tippmann is not electronic and the other two are almost imposter electronic markers | E-GRIP AND E-BOLT AND E-TRIGGER? |
haha silly goose there is no such thing as "e-trigger" as you call it the proper names are e-grip and e-bolt for the a-5 and 98c
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:40am
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board
whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high
rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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As they explained, it's "cleaner" as well, you can look it up. Also, with the cooler nature of the CO2, ice crystals may be present and create wear as well.
I remember reading about that in "the ultimate guide to paintball" at my library. It's also how I learned about the 300fps rule.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:54am
The Guy wrote:
bravecoward wrote:
liquid co2 is liqid, liquid+electronics is bad |
Thats gotta be the stupidest explanation ever.
Liquid CO2 is extremely cold. The CO2 will not affect your board
whatsoever. However it will kill every seal in your gun during high
rates of fire. You really don;t want -100 liquid CO2 in your solenoids.
Compressed air is not cleaner. In fact its probly dirtier, since CA is just pulled in from the atmosphere and compressed.
I am also curious as to the explanation to why Compressed air is more stable......
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Just a guess, but probably because it doesn't have to go from liquid to
gas like co2, and it doesn't change with the tempatures, just a random
guess though.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:20am
i feel stupid now, no mor ehelp after 12:00 am
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Posted By: G36 Monkey
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:36pm
who cares it all goes whoosh lol, jk, hpa is definitely more consistent in its fps than co2 is, my co2 on my a-5 jumps like crazy, one second ill be shootin 280 next one goes to 120 that may be a problem with my gun though. Im gettin nitro soon enough though.
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