let’s try this again.....
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Topic: let’s try this again.....
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Subject: let’s try this again.....
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:48am
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well, it seems our arguement was deleted....let's try this again...
All Im saying is that tippman doesn't carry the same quality as spyders...nor do they offer the large amounts of upgrades. They can't compete...even in semi mode...with a spyder. The spyder's faster. Period. They don't use as much gas as a tippy...more shots per tank. They are 4 x's louder than a spyder... They can't be rendered LP unless you buy $200 in prefabbed LP system...with a spyder...it's just a valve, reg, LPC and bolt. If a person needs a stock, sight or 21" barrel on a paintball marker...they shouldn't be playing in the first place. The Flatline system was designed as an attempt to compete with better markers...fooling noobs into thinking that "a 100' longer shot can mean the winning of a game'...kinda propaganda.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:48am
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My shockers better than a spyder
I win. |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:51am
| and my 03 Cobra angel is better than your shocker...so what's your point? |
Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:53am
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My limited edition Bonebrake angel is better than your angel. Where have you been at Dave? Have you seen the Devils Rejects yet? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:53am
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sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
druidsdecendant wrote:Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:55am
Yes - I stole the whole thread by accident in my rush to clean up the poop. Please proceed with the discussion. AND, for everybody's information, I just sent a letter to whatsisname's ISP. I fully intend to do this for any serious violations of our policy. So play nice. And now back to your regularly scheduled program. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:56am
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pant?...pane? Nape? w/e your name was... convince me how and why a tippman is better and I'll consider getting one...and which one? from what I've seen and used...Im not impressed with what I used...98C decked out like an AR15...remote lined...by far, the most UNcomfortable marker I ever used....Loud...Heavy... |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:57am
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Rambino,
if at all possible, take my posts from the last thread, and post them
here or pm them to me, I dont feel like proving him wrong right now,
too lazy to type.
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Posted By: Kpoofs
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:57am
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...you sir are an idiot.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:58am
Go buy Natural Newbie's 98. Its been modded with a double action ram, and an Intimidator board set-up. So its not a Tippmann that shoots just as fast a Timmy, which would be faster than a spyder without a similar set-up. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site 
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Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 2:59am
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well shockers def own tippys, but its all about preference. i traded my tippy for a pump cause i can play both woods and speedball with it. i hated my flatline in speedball. spyders= speedball tippys= woodsball imo. but i no longer have my spyder either, wasnt fast enough so im playing pump till i buy a new gun.
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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:01am
If
you seriously think a Tippmann is heavy, please, once you hit high
school in a few years, start lifting weights. Or if your lucky and they
let 7th graders in there to lift, do it now.
And where did Nape from from?? Theres not even a "n" in my name... -------------
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:02am
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by the way, I own 1 spyder and 4 Tippmann's..... before you start trying to call me on a lack of experience. Stock spyders are decent entry level guns because they are really really cheap. 98's are just more durable. If you think Spyders are so superior then why are they almost universally used as rental guns? ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:02am
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Ok I must say this, both of them stock are newb markers. Both stock, SUCK for a intermidiate, advanced player. ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:04am
that was a little rude considering it says hes 35
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:07am
He's not. I promise. Until a few days ago, my profile said I was born on March 25, 1930.
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:07am
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Plentiful...... e-bolt what? the esp and ipi frames are still faster...without a modded switch.
my source on the gas usage is a full day of swapping guns with the guys I play with. The tippy I used, used up co2 (antisiphonned) twice as fast as my (then) stock spyder...was just over half the shots I can get with that spyder. That is my source. we could put stocks and barrels on spyders but those of us with any brains...don't. Tippman started marketting 21' "sniper" barrels to fool noobs into buying them. In reality, the longer barrel is nothing more than a waste of good air/co2. and I've never been taken out by a tippman...sorry to burst your bubble. I HAVE been by other spyders, angels, shockers and a phantom (once) but not the tipman. |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:10am
Do
you have a really good memory, and saw every single person that saw you
to say that?? I doubt it. Or, have you only played once...
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:11am
Tippmann does not make a 21 inch barrel. There are barrels that long that will fit a Tippmann, but the company that makes those barrels has a model with Spyder threads too. |
Posted By: Cheesus
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:14am
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ugh, who woke me up. I thought I sensed a disturbance in the force. return from where you came Kingman fanboy.... -----SMITE-----  ------------- Forum God |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:15am
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I dont see why you need to shoot so fast, I can keep someone down shooting 5bps....I dont need 15+. Does Tippmann make 21" barrels...I know they had 14 and 16 Sniper barrels, but dont think they have 21". Why do you rag on stocks? Does our military not use stocks...maybe if you knew how to fire a gun properly, you wouldnt mind it. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:18am
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actually yes I am 35. And my home field specializes in 98's as rentals. this is it... http://www.skirmish.com - www.skirmish.com Now...Impulse is right that both stink as stock markers. TheGuy posted this: Go buy Natural Newbie's 98. Its been modded with a double action ram, and an Intimidator board set-up. So its not a Tippmann that shoots just as fast a Timmy, which would be faster than a spyder without a similar set-up. what is this and where can I see pics/specs of this marker? |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:20am
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Heh, you reside in PA? I live in Philly, how about you? -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:21am
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model98.net You know why I stopped using my spyder...... It would be because I snapped the gripframe on it. The handle broke right off. Tippmann's don;t seem to have problems like that. Kingman pretty much told me to go screw off and buy a new grip after that happened. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:21am
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:24am
I've used a 98 with a stock on it, and the stock never interfered with my mask. And I know there arent snipers in paintball, and it is obviously a marketing tactic to get noobs to buy the barrels. But atleast Tippmann doesnt pump out a new gun every other week where the only difference is the paintjob and a sight rail. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:24am
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go quote juvenile movies somewhere else. I hear a swamp calling your wannabe ghillied sniper fool-self. WE are trying to convice me why tippmans are better and I am trying to convice you why spyders are better. If you can't contribute to the conve, stay out |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:25am
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I hate Philly. but I did like the Godsmack/Metallica concert at the wachovia center...I live 54 miles North of Philly...Near Easton...enter Lehigh U |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:26am
| I fail to understand why your field uses 98's as rentals, while you hate their guts and worship Spyders? Why not rent out the Spyders? |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:27am
Haha, dont worry, im not a huge fan of Philly either. I live in the NE, its not so bad. and concerts at the Wachovia center=eeeew. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:28am
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because they are cheaper to fix when things break...remember that the tippys are more 'durable'...as you say |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:30am
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There are no snipers in Paintball..... aww you just ruined my party. what about this Spyder sniper rifle then? http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf03559ek.jpg">  ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:34am
Uh...wait a minute...between the 98, the 98C came the a5 and flatline. except for the a5...they are the saaaaame old boooooooring marker. and they ARE heavier...no not to the point where it feels like you're hauling a spare tire around...but i play all day. and the spyders are lighter...even with co2. They use better metal...aluminum not white metal (screen door handles) |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:38am
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That's one person's attempt at being different...and if Im not mistaken, I believe it was spec ops or ariakon that designed it first...this would just be a copy |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:38am
Uhmm...actually, Tippmanns use higher grade aluminum than Spyders. And if their metal is better, how come you can run over a tippmann with a car and have it work perfectly? Or smash it against a tree by the barrel? Try that with a Spyder. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:41am
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This is the only picture of NN's gun that I have. This was his first version. But this picture does it no justice.
Oh, and model98.net went down for some reason, no one know swhy.  -------------
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:44am
and I never said I used their rentals...I use their fields because the kick tail. 700 acres and 52 fields...yes, most are wooded-but I don't just play in the woods. Of all the markers I've seen since 1986 (87?). theirs are the most whooped POS's Ive ever seen. Do they work? yes...they can lob paint down field and if you're lucky, hit someone before they move out of the way of the 5 balls per second you cannon-balled at them. Ropes are harder to get away from. And since I'm on the subject of ROF...all of you scenario players...you'd think you'd embrace the sheer speed of a Kingman electroframe over the Tip...simply to simulate the machine-gun nests... |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:44am
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same old boring marker......... haha you make me laugh. Every Spyder is the exact same gun. They just come with different milling and different accessories. They throw a drop on the gun and call it a new gun. Or slap a gas-through grip on it. Tippmanns have all been innovations. Tippmann made the first full-auto and semi-auto. Also the firtst gun to run off of a Constant Air source. Next came the beginning of the carbine line. They used semi-auto with a hopper. Then came the rest of the series, each gun was an improvement over the previous. The F/A allowed the use of mechanical full-auto with the use of a regular hopper thanks to the star feed system. Then later on came the 98 and 98c. The 2 most upgradeable guns ever made. The a-5 also came with new stuff, like the cyclone feed, and moveable front grip. letsee now. The first Spyder I can think of was the TL+ which just came with a beavertail and expansion chamber. My compact came with nothing. I had to go buy a bottomling kit just to run it effectively. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:46am
Lob paint downfield? Tippmanns and Spyders have ssame power and distance (unless Flatline i sused). 285fps is 285fps. And I never said i couldnt shoot faster, I said i didnt need a billlion balls per second. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:48am
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:51am
Now THAT is a marker I might be interested in....any more info on that?
Plentiful...what moron would smash his marker against a tree?? ESPECIALLY on purpose? Or run over it with a car?? what dillhole would even try? but to answer your question, I have taken spills and hit the ground during slides...and have never had a problem with my ANY of my spyders...they are plenty durable as u say the tipps are... |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:53am
Way
to open a whole new can of sardines on the ROF topic. Accuracy by
Volume only means you have skill at buying a fast gun, and having it
able to throw X amount of bps down field. You talk about not being able
to hit a moving target unless you have a nice rope of paint. First off,
I can put down a line of paint in my mech tippy, over your capped POS
spyder any day. Secondly, If you need to put down a rop to hit one
person, thats sad and shows no skill. I could go all sniper and say one
shot, one kill, but you will retaliate "ZOMG DER R NOE SN1PRZ IN TEH
P8NTBALLZ0RZ!1!111ONE!11!!1 SO Ill say you have no skill cause you cant
take down a moving target within 1-2 shots.
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:58am
I dont know, there are some really dumb people in the world, and people have ran guns over in cars before. Physically they even look more durable, compare the thickness of the frames of a Spyder and Carbine. -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 3:59am
Well since nobody has manufactured an all-out rifle in the last 10 years or so, and it definatly wasn't spec-ops or Ariakon, then you would definatly be mistaken. So quit making up your facts, ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:05am
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:05am
haha, yeah right. Thats what all the newbs resort to when we question their maturity. Thats ok, I'm not the middleaged man arguing on the internet at 4am. So what happened... did your kiddie porn site get shut down for the night? Or are you finally gonna admit that your some prepubescent fanboy/troll? ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:08am
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sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:08am
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grr talk about flaming..... ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:09am
http://www.specopspaintball.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=587 - http://www.specopspaintball.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRO D&ProdID=587 Now shut up |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:09am
Uhmm...i see no flaming...just debating.... Longbow doesnt seem like an all out rifle, more like a Spyder with a stock and super lame feed system. And yes, i realize that it is a TAC-ONE -------------
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Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:11am
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well i guess are opinions are different. in the last few months ive been going thru alot so i see things different from alot of people. ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:15am
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:16am
Ypu thats just a mag with a long barrel, feedtube, and stock. I see nothing that resembles an all-out rifle. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:16am
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:22am
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annoed Tippmann's work fine. I thought you liked Natural Newbie's 98..... that was powder coated. and I have seen numerous annoed Tippmann's in the marker gallery. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:23am
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well, it 'seems' like an all-out rifle to me...although, I must admit I never saw one except in that link. The point was...motor-mouth was implying that there weren't production 'rifle' markers and there are...and whomever created the first one. and as far as a 'Lame' feed system...I'd take someone on using that marker...timmy, angel or whatever...if just for the experience of having used it because it's something different. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:26am
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careful guys, hes teh superl337 newbzorz. He must be using the matrix f hes never been hit by a Tippmann..... OMGZORZ teh Matriks exists........ ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:27am
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How does it "seem" like one? it isnt at all, its a tac-one with stupid
feed system. it ahs a 21-ball magazine. Have fun reloading every 5
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:29am
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:29am
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well the way his ubersized spyders shoot, he must have to reload every
second. because his spyder can shoot 1,000,000,000,000,000 balls a
second... ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:34am
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Ok...I'll have to take your word on annoed tipps because I never saw one. BUT...based upon 98's I saw with the black paint-fake powdercoating scratched off, the metal looks way cheaper than mine. It looks pitted...dark gray and just ugly. And I DO like that marker and I WILL be looking into that. HOWEVER...I thought the A5 was a promissing new marker until a buddy bought one and traded it away in under a month. "another gas hog" to be specific |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:37am
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hmm.. Two members of the Kingman forum come over to the Tippmann forum at the wee hours of the morning to rag on tippmanns? Coincedence, I think not. -------------
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:37am
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I like how all your "facts" come from friends and buddies..... I havn't seen any hard facts come from you yet...... this a-5 owns your ass  ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:41am
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well, if you go by the "realistic" factor...it seems more like on...tac1 or not. and the magazine is only a challenge... I failed to tell you that I still play woodsball...although, not as much as I used to. ANd I don't always lay down ropes...especially when I play stock. So ROF only applies to those who CHOOSE to lay paint...like the back player that I am...or when simulating a machine gun nest during scenario play...or the majority of my team has been eliminated and use the 'firepower' factor to my advantage. Don't confuse tactics with inability. I could take out "theGuy" with a slingshot and a handfull of paint.... |
Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:42am
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wo wo wo if your talking about me. i have been a member of tippmann and kingman for quite awhile. i had both guns and i sold them both. not saying one is better then the other. im over on kingman to help. ive been there a shorter time then ive been here on tippmann. i just took a break from here cause i felt like it. again i gave my opinion, im not bashing a gun i liked both for when i needed them ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:44am
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yes, i bet you could. Because opinions on an internet forum show your skill on the field. -------------
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:44am
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and I did say that I thought an A5 was a good attempt...but just that...an attempt...still is a gas hog compared to other markers of the "low-cost class" see, now that LOOKs cool...but what are the PERFORMANCE upgrades?...none, I'll wager... |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:45am
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wristrockets are the official backup guns of FUBAR..... So you go to your end of the field with your slingshot and paintballs. I'll take my slingshot and a handful of rocks instead. Not that I need a slingshot when my Tippmann's never break down. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:47am
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not totally...... and im not saying i dont like that paint job on the a-5, but its chipped and bubbled. but it looks better then my imagine did when i painted it. my imagine turned out bad so in reality it doesnt matter what gun you have as long as you have fun, the game wasnt made for people to bash every single gun. yes ill agree i hate some designs but im not gonna bash them all the time. there no point to it. ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
.Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:48am
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I believe I did ask for someone to convice me why I should buy another tippman product |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:50am
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by the way, the receiver halves are pitted because they are cast.
Spyders are machined. Therefor its a lot cheaper to make tippmann's. And lets not even mention Kingman's customer service...... I've never been sworn at over the phone before that. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:52am
Why should we need to convince you...... you're on OUR turf. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:56am
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:00am
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:04am
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because I actually thought there might be some intelligent dialogue from people that obvoiusly,know more about them than me. Pardon me from asking questions. On your turf huh...Hmmm...sounds like the juveniles on the Nation... |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:12am
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well...MY OPINION is that (except for that one marker posted...and until I research it more) kingman products are better OUT OF THE BOX than tippman...albeit they NEED upgrades to make them PERFORM better...regs and barrels...but for the most part that's it.
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:15am
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:17am
Wow 33 posts on this useless arguement.  ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 9:41am
i beg to differ. put in a different board or something or an e-bolt and blade trigger and you have yourself a speedball tippy. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 9:49am
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First off, play nice. Calling each other names is not helpful - and in fact generally not permitted. But if I may add my own explanation as to why I own a Tippmann, and why it is my preferred gun in the woods, certainly over any Spyder, and also over the cocker and mag that I own. - My A-5 RT w/Flatline gives me 15 bps, with no breaks or skips - ever. - I don't have to worry about batteries, since the whole thing runs off gas. Without the batteries I can also play in the rain (and I do love to play in the rain) without worries. - I get almost 1000 shots from my 68/45, which isn't cocker-effecient, but certainly respectable. - Cyclone gives me the lowest profile in the woods of any gun that doesn't have an expensive and bulky feed system (warp/Q/ATS). The width is irrelevant to me, I need low. - The Flatline lets me shoot under and through trees and bruch with astounding effectiveness. Forget about distance - the Flatline is about shooting through stuff. - All this, including the feeder and barrel, for $300. 15 bps without electronics, perfect loading, flat trajectory, low profile. I love it. Add the general ruggedness and reliability of my gun and it makes me happy indeed. I can't speak for all Tippmanns, but I certainly like mine. As to Spyders - they are certainly very upgradable guns, and it is difficult to judge all Spyders in one sentence, since there are endless varieties. I have seen some very nice Spyders, and they have done a good job bringing electronics into an affordable range, and their centerfeed models make a good entry-level speedball gun. I personally prefer the longer, lower Tippmanns for woodsball over the stacked-tube design, but that is mostly my personal preference. I also prefer the sturdier metal construction of Tippmanns (although many Spyders are very sturdy and solid). Ultimately, I suspect it comes down to personal preference. I like my A-5 because of some features unique to that gun, not because of any particular brand loyalty. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: CHiKUN PiMP
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:12am
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You say you don't like the stock barrel? Does anybody like the stock barrel of any starter gun? They all suck. Tippmann is saving you money by not spending production money on things you're going to upgrade anyway. ------------- www.TexasPumpAndPistolGame.com www.pettyPb.com MCB:Chickun |
Posted By: redneckdeerhunt
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:14am
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the stock barrel on the custom pro is vary good ------------- i love to hunt and lite things on fire 98 custom smartparts progressive double trigger lapco bishot pen spring mod 20 oz rocket cock dye invision mask |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:46am
| Wow, The Guy and Plenti totally pwned you. |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 12:15pm
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I can't believe this guy came on here using a Spyder and called a 98 Custom crap. I have never seen a spyder that I would even think of trading my gun for. Sypders break all of the time, no matter how much you clean them. I have only had one problem with my 98, and that was fixed in under 5 min. I school all of my friends' Spyders 9/10 times on the field, and my Tippmann (which cost me a total of $180 at the time) was way more accurate than the Spyders that my friends/people at the field spent anywhere from $160-$200 on. I've never seen a mech spyder outshoot my 98, and my 98 with a $70 R/T would demolish an E-Spyder. To sum all of that up, Tippmanns>Spyders in quality, and that is more than enough reason to spend the extra $. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 12:29pm
I disgree with you about the speed of a stock gun....a mechanical Tippmann has a better trigger pull than a mechanical Spyder, and can be shot faster easier. The Tippmann is faster, period. Also, do they offer an RT for the Spyder? i didn't think so. What's the need for more upgrades when you like how your gun shoots? The only reason Spyders offer a lot of upgrades is because the stock marker is lacking and breaks down. But since you brought up upgrades, let's talk about some USEFUL ONES! Can you get a Flatline or RT for your Spyder? Didn't think so. Spyders are more efficient, I'll give you that.....but by how much? I cn get 1000 shots from a 20oz co2 tank with my A5RT....I don't feel I'm missing out on anything! Tippmanns are louder, that's nother reason I like them better than a Spyder! They are black, mean, loud, and scary looking...kinda like a real gun! A Spyder is more like a "Roy Rogers/CPT. Kirk" ray gun...I actually like the high volume of my Tippmanns....I even put LAPCO barrels on my Tippmanns, makign them basically the loudest guns on the field....helps me scare the Spyder users  .
What good is LP anyways? Oh yeah, it's because Spyders chop like mad stock. My A5RT can rip 15+ bps without chopping, so what do I ned a LP kit for? If your HP gun isn't letting you down, what's the use of another senseless upgrade? I don't need a 21" barrel, but I have been known to use a Simmons 42mm red dot scope on my Tippmanns, and I do very much recommened the JCS flding stocks. What kind of stocks and sights have you tried out? Or are you just bashing something because you don't use it? I personally think a stock or sight, used properly, is a big asset. I am not a Flatline fan, and I've actually owned one(have you?). But, it does what it is advertised as doing, it shoots farther and flater than any other barrel that isn't named "Flatline"! Teamed with the RT, you have a gun that shoots as fast as anything, farther and flatter than anything, with unmatched reliability. |
Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 12:41pm
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in all the time i owned both my spyder and tippmann both and yes both! broke down only once. and i cleaned them every single time i played and some just to say i cleaned it. the tippmann only had a bad o ring on the back bolt. the spyder just couldnt operate with the reg i bought, because when i bought it i knew nothing about regs. i dont know why everyone seems like you have to post oh well its better cause i say so stuff and just accept the fact both guns have there hangups but they can be fixed. like spyders for instance stock there horrible but once you upgrade then there quite nice. same with tippmanns my a-5 was decked out, the only thing i didnt like was that flatline in speedball, it was a little heavy but i can handle it i played almost whole scenario with it at night i played pump. ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 12:43pm
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I owned my 98 custom for two and a half years, in all that time, it was
cleaned TWICE. On the day I sold it, the thing was still firing just as
well as the day I bought it. Can you say that about a spyder? ------------- 
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 12:45pm
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Please, Im sorry, but save the hippy love fest for another thread...we are here to discuss the pros and cons of each gun.
I will say for my purposes, it gets no better than my A5RT....less than $300 for a gun that can actually cycle, feed, and fire at over 15bps...all without batteries. *Edit* My bad, responding to pilot007. |
Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:12pm
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woah watch your mouth. dont call me some crack head hippy.im full blood american not some johnny depp doper. i never said tippys were bad. and this doesnt seem like discuss it seems like flamefest...... ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:14pm
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Enlighten me, what 'hangups' do tippmann's have when it comes to pulling one out of it's box and shooting it?
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Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:24pm
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The only thing about Tippmanns are the barrel, big whoop! Get a $50 barrel and you have a HIGH QUALITY mech marker, add another $70 and you have a gun that is accurate and can compete with the high end markers easily. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:32pm
 Don't you DARE call me a hippy! hahaha.
Anyway, these kind of "discussions" always end up nothing more than Flamefests. Go to a Spyder forum, and try to defend a Tippmann... you get eaten up. Go to the Tippmann forum, try to defend a Spyder... you get eaten up. No real surprise. My experience with both... When both are working without issues... one can argue performance til they're blue in the face. Guess what? It's a paintball gun. So long as it's working... they'll essentially perform the same. They're both blowback semi-autos, and as such... have the same limitations and abilities. Typically, what leans me away from Kingman products is not so much performance... but quality of product. While, like a lot of other guns, most people end up replacing most parts anyway... overall, in regards to stock components, the Spyder series has typically been "chincy". Durability is the second typically issue where the Tippmann comes out ahead. In regards to relative fragility... the Spyder is more prone to damage/issues after a trauma, than the Tippmann is. Aside from that... I personally don't see any other advantages/disadvantages between the two. I have, and continue, to recommend Tippmanns to new players based on the durability and out-of-box reliability. Not because it shoots faster, looks cooler, etc. I will give the Spyder this much... they are very easy to maintain. So long as you have spare cup seals, springs and a steady supply of O-rings (mostly tank o-rings), you're in good shape. Disassembly is quick and easy, replacing these parts is simple, slap everything back together and you're good to go. As for the "better" debate... it's been around as long as each company has been around. And everything that's been stated here (I haven't bothered to read through) I can guarantee has been argued in the past... MULTIPLE times. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:32pm
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$50? pffft..... J&J Ceramic>* -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:35pm
Watch my mouth?! I think it would be better if you just learned to take a joke and accept a debate! I thought hippies were American?! I smoke dope and am a full blooded American, born and raised in Central Coast California....I guess I don't get your point there. I know you never said Tippmanns are bad, and you never said Spyders were bad, that's why I called you a hippy...we are trying to address the points this dude is making about Tippmanns, and you just want everyone to say,"Okay, they are both equal, end of discussion." It doesn't work like that. I hate it when we're in a debate, trying to make points, and some dude comes out and says,"Come on guys, let's all stop arguing and be friends." I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to discuss things. It's not an argument, it's a debate....sorry you got all offended by such a simple joke....I'll make sure to remember that you are sensitive next time. My apologies. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:36pm
| I personally would say durability, reliability, and quality of product kinda play a part in performance. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:39pm
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My experience with Spyders hasn't been bad, but it isn't as good as with the Tippmanns.
For one thing, Spyders are really no lighter, and they are hardly 2" shorter than a Tippmann. I feel like the Spyders mechanical trigger is inferior to the Tippmanns. I feel Spyders require more maintenance, and still "go down" far more often than a Tippmann. Basically, I guess I just don't see much tha you can do with a Spyder that you can't with a Tippmann, and I can think of a few important differences that make the Tippmanns a better line of paintguns. And also, I don't think hippies smoked crack! LMFAO |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:39pm
Overall... yes, they play a part only because with the breakdown of one of those three components... you therefore have a gun that no longer performs. BUT... if the gun is working, performance difference are negligable. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:43pm
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I guess that's the big point..."when both are working without issues."
I would say this heavily favors the Tippmann. I do agree with you on the quality issue....Kingman seems to have poor QC, sending out brand new guns that don't seal correctly or just plain don't work properly out the box. But then again, you can't buy a Tippmann for $60! But then again, is Tippmann still made in the USA? And Kingman in Taiwan or someplace like that? I'm not sure. |
Posted By: A-5 08
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:45pm
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Flame fest?
Come to a tippmann forum to try and discuss how spyders are better than tippmanns, you will get some nasty remarks. Bottom line is opinion. One can out preform the other with the right regime ofupgrades. Opinions opinions. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 1:46pm
Kingmans are imported. The price difference is what gets a lot of people onto Kingman's side. Tippmann 98 for $140? Or Spyder for $70? Sorry to say... a lot of people won't be willing to pay twice the amount... even if it means more downtime later down the line. (Sucks to be them) |