The truth of the matter
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Topic: The truth of the matter
Posted By: Murdock
Subject: The truth of the matter
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:33pm
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Fact time. This whole war thing isn't about terrorists and crap, oil, liberating people or anything like that. The truth in the matter is that it's a religious war of Militant Islam VS Jews and Christians <in that order>. Everyone tries to sugarcoat it by saying how right or somthing it is, but the ugly truth is that it's just another holy war. Simply a modern version of the Holy Crusades. People on all sides should just admit it. And yeah, I'm sure they mixed the oil and other crap in it...but it's still just another religious war. ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:37pm
| ok...... |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:38pm
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Its just I had an eye opening thing...made me actualy not like Bush for once because all the reasons they give for war, that is the only honest one and nobody admits it. ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:41pm
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What's Bush have to do with the religious reasonings behind the war?
It's a "Holy War" because the Muslim Extremists make it as such. Bush isn't making this a "Christian War". I recall Bush's reasons for invading Afghanistan being to root out Al Qaeda and the Taliban regime that supported them. I recall Bush's reasons for invading Iraq to be Saddam's possession of WMD (which proved to be false), and to remove Saddam from power. It's a Holy War to them, it's never been to us. |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:45pm
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Bush Jr just wanted to give the man his daddy fought a spanking for his daddy ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:49pm
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Just talked with my best friend for a long time about it. I used to be all gung-ho about the war and now im not so sure because of that reason, so I figured mabye someone else would see it and might change their mind too. ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: Stormcharger
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:49pm
That was well thought out, maybe you should stick to arguing with the other mentally challenged children. |
Murdock wrote:Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:50pm
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I think you just like the thought of Men spanking other Men ammusing which is the real reason you made this thread. ------------- 
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:51pm
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mabye like how they spanked Jesus on Passion of the Christ, that was amusing ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:53pm
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So shouldnt this thread read, " The truth of the matter.... I like grown men spanking each other." -------------
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:54pm
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only within an inch of death with barbed whips ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:56pm
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Yeah, Your wrong on all of that. ------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:00pm
S&M huh... ------------- 
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:02pm
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at least tell the truth when ya go to war and bush should quit letting cheny run the country, its really him to blame ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:03pm
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yeah, i get all excited about torture im like the dude on clockwork orange, i can only see myself as being one character in the bible, the one whipping Jesus ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:03pm
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You listen to too much AM radio. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:04pm
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Ever wonder why they are all on AM radio? Because if they were actually any good [or knew what they were taking about] they would be on FM like Howard Stern. -------------
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:05pm
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Am radio? wats that? ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:07pm
Do you believe EVERYTHING that CNN feeds you? No, I am not and was not in support of the Iraq operation. Not out of any anti-military sentiments, but because let's face it ... the barn door was open and the horse was LOOOONG gone by the time we had the will to do anything about it. Look how long Iraq had to get rid of anything incriminating, and right under the noses of the U.N. (big shock there!) Yes, Saddam Hussein was (and is!) an blight on the butt cheek of humanity. However, I truly feel that resources could have been much better used elsewhere. Marching into countries in full force is impressive on T.V., no doubt about it. What our enemies are doing though is using guerrilla tactics in small organized groups. These cells should betracked, isolated and eliminated in the dark of the night with little media fanfare. Give them a taste of their own medicine, if you will. Our Special Forces troops have trained for decaddes to pull off these types of missions, and I say let them do what they have sweat in training to do. This is not a nation vs. nation conflict. This is not even really a religion vs. religion issue. It is order vs. anarchy, the have-nots vs. the percieved oppressors. This is a conflict that we CANNOT win without inflicting a complete and merciless destruction on Osama and gang. For you doves out there, I am not saying bomb schools, hospitals and civilians. God knows that THEY have perfected that strategy. Until we treat 9/11 like the wake up call it should have been and begin taking terrorism seriously, we are asking for more of the same and worse. Howeverm we seem to be content to rip each other to shreds and do their dirty work for them. How sad. How modern. how pathetic. United we stand, divided we FALL. |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:09pm
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just let the generals do their job and get the friggin politicians out of war, all politicians should be shot and im not saying pull out, we have to see it though to the end but at least do it right ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:12pm
Wow. You should really give yourself more time to absorb more propaganda. Cheney may be someone Bush listens to a lot, but he ain't the one running the show. I firmly believe that Bush wasn't lying when he brought this country to war. He was simply wrong. There's a difference between being wrong, and lying. Both are negative, but completely different. To think that he brought this country to war for a personal agenda is a bit simple-minded.
While I certainly won't defend politicians... know that much of the debacle in Iraq today was caused by the poor planning of Generals, as well as politicians. Also keep in mind... in today's military, in order to move up the ladder to get your stars... you basically have to become a politcian. |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:20pm
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Yeah, I miss the old days. I wish Gen Patton was leading this campaign ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:32pm
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Wow... you're ignorant. Let us not forget that bush must go
through congress to declare war. So if we want to blame bush for something lets not be hypocrits and leave out the two-thirds that backed him. And what else was bush supposed to assume when that bastard Husien (who also broke several Gineva laws......including GENOCIDE AND CRUEL TORCHER) refused UN searches 3 times in a row and drew up false and contradictive documents? And how is a war agaisnt the worlds largest and most thouroughly established terroist group a religious war? They declared a jihad... we declared them a threat to the world for killing innocents... there is a difference. Grow up <tricycle>... quite eating drinking in liberalistic cnn bull**edited** propaganda. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:33pm
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Good luck lasting here for very long. Apparantly you must work for Fox news or something as well. So what if the UN declared that we must allow then to search our bases and outposts? I doubt we'd comply too. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:38pm
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I blame poor funding for public schools.
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:43pm
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I like these threads. Kids that can't vote arguing with adults. Didn't hussein send a 20,000 page document saying he didn't have nuclear weapons? What ever happened to short and sweet? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:45pm
Buddy i have been on these boards longer than you have known what paintball was. I havnt been here for a while, and thought i would ocme check to see how the boards where doing. I forgot my old password so i had to make this new name. So DON'T try to tell me what i will and won't do here ok? The reason we searched him is because the US suposedly sold wmd's to him ( chemical warheads) at the end of the Regan adminsitration before the UN implimented laws prohibiting that nation ( and several others) from owning wmd's because of their military history and because they had an insane dictator in power . After the show of terrorism and various threats of using the wmd's the UN reqested a search to make sure they didnt have ( and wernt illegally manufactoring) wmds. And since we hold one of the MAJOR UN SEATS we could veto any requests to search our bases. However, the request would never arise since we are permited to own atomic and chemical weapons. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:48pm
| Of course we could veto it, because we are hypocrites, and regard ourselves to be better than the nation of Iraq. I could care less how long you've been here, obviously you missed the updates of filter dodging and using the edit term for cussing. We're permitted? Who set that up, us? This neocon stuff hurts my head. |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:50pm
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If we didnt have stupid NATO around I'm sure we would of turned the countries that harbor terrorists into very large parking lots by now. ------------- 
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:53pm
That makes about as much sense to me as... hmmm... well... I guess it makes no sense to me whatsoever. And ryan, stop making me work! I find it difficult to control my Jersey-raised potty-mouth too, but somehow manage. One can argue a point without resorting to cursing, as hard as it might be sometimes. |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:03pm
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ryan rholes You are on dangerous ground! CEASE AND DESIST!! |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:11pm
sorry hway and shorty i assumed there was a swear filter. Ignorant people upset me  Dune- whatever... hway says i cant argue so im not going to continue this. I have my well educated views and you have your well...views. We are both bull headed so arguing is pointless. And i know you dont care how long i have been here....i was just letting you know that i dont need somebody like you explaining this place to me. Although i thought i remembered a swear filter. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:13pm
| Hmm, your views are educated while mine are not. I see the hypocracy does not only extend to the country, but to it's people. As well as the amount of respect we hold towards other countries and people with dissimilar views. I'm glad that you think your conservative views are superior to my bleeding heart; however, ignrance does not play a role here. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:23pm
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[QUOTE=Dune]Hmm, your views are educated while mine are not." well... maby we are getting somewhere.  Edit- BTW would you please cram the word hypocracy into your post one more time... i don't really think you have used it enough yet. |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:29pm
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well we've come this far, and i think bush wants to finish the war before his term is up. leaving a war unfinished when you started it is not good for his rep. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:32pm
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If we have to take the debate down to a matter of simple flaming because the arguments have thinned out that much, then find another forum. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:36pm
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fair enough hway. Im threw. |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:37pm
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I don't care about a spirited debate, but when you flame and treat people with no respect ... THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. Surely you can make a valid point without calling names ... ? As for a swear filter ... it's a SAFETY NET not a HAMMOCK. THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT. THEREFORE, AN "EXPLANATION OF THE PLACE" MAY INDEED BE IN ORDER. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:41pm
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Invading Iraq under the information we had simply because he didn't want HIS country to be searched by a coalition of other countries does not hold water. Your arguments for the invasion pay little hommage to those countries with leaders more powerful, more corrupt, more homicidal, and more dangerous than Iraq. In simple terms, Iraq may be a place that needed a regime change; however, it does not even come close to topping the top ten list. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:47pm
Ok although im not really sure what you meant by the second sentence here i am going to assume that you meant our military actions are disrespectful to the jihadist because they hold different views than us. I am just wondering why you would say this? I personally would assume that respecting people who's main goal in life is to die killing infidels ( a.k.a US!!!) wouldnt nbe a major concern of yours.... unless you are yourself a jehadist and don't qualify as an infidel. Besides... how is declaring war on an affiliation that a direct attack on our nation an affront to their beliefs and not their actions? |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 4:51pm
You do know that this man is responsible for the torture and death of about twice as many people as hitler and the third reich right? So if this man wasnt worth taking out of power.... do you regard world war 2 ( the european front... not the conflict with Japan) as a tact of corruption implored by corrupt ol' Roosevelt? THe only other dictator who is as crazy as husein was is the guy running north korea... who coincidentely threatened to drown the us in a "rain of fire" with the 3 atomic weapons owned by that country. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:00pm
| Saddam is not responsible for the death of 12 million people. That is simply not true. While he has killed his fair share of people, and is certainly bad, you are definitely exhaggerating his evilness. Saddam is crazy, but certainly not stupid. There are many other countries with worse leaders that needed our "liberation" way before. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:06pm
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I never said Sadam was stupid... then again Hitler was also a Genuis. Tell us about some of these countries whose leader is worse than a maniac who is responsible for genocide, torture, and MILLIONS of murders. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:06pm
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Hrmm. "ryan rholes" Is now on the '12 year olds that make information up' list.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:14pm
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Whale, do you want to take this one or should I? Zaire for one. Unless you want to go through all of Africa and parts of S. America first. Saddam is responsible for millions of deaths? I'd like to see the facts on that. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:16pm
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Sudan comes to mind. Liberia is the second big one. Haiti also, closer to home. But heck, why try to help these places that need more than a millitary invasion, when there are sandy countrys to overrun! Yehaw! ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:16pm
| Lol would you like me to google it and prove everything i have said? |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:17pm
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Yes. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:20pm
| I could google naked pictures of the president and find them too, doesn't make them real. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:21pm
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If you check the sources on so much of the "Proof Stats" that peple on here post, they are usually horridly biased trash sites.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:24pm
Yes, it does. All naked pics online are real.  -------------
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Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:25pm
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http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/09/iraq-000918.htm - HERE- some view i hold backed by an official http://www.hrw.org/editorials/2002/iraq_032202.htm - |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:25pm
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Aparently from the neck down Bush is African American. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:26pm
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And this proves...what? He was a bad dude. Yeah, nobody denys that. You are the kind of person that thinks that just because somebody wants stricter gun laws we want an outright banning of all guns. There is no grey area with you. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:29pm
| Now prove to me that the rulers if Liberia or any other place are any worse than saddam hussein was. Also... how have they directly threatend the united states or broken UN treaties. I hate the aspects of war... if i didnt i would be no better than saddam... but if mere thousands die to keep hundreds of thousands or possibly million/s from dieing and being tortured then i support that. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:31pm
And you are the kind of person who uses euphamisms and analogies to undermine the severity of the situation. There is a differnce between gun control laws and stopping a man from commiting such horrid atrocities. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:33pm
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Heh. You are obviously unaware of the conditions in Sudan. Try your google powers on that. Saddam, although bad, was no threat to the USA. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:35pm
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thank you murdock. you can stop making threads containing any current
political views because obviously our forum can't handle them. SO STOP
IT! i'm enjoying watching whale pwn people though...such fun ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:36pm
I think you have control now. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:45pm
How can you say this when he not only made direct threats toward the us which ARE documented by the UN and he also OPENLY harbored terrorists? |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:47pm
your pushing a moot point; I never said there wern't other bad situations in this world... i asked you to prove to me "DUNE" how any of these situations were worse than the situation in iraq under Saddams regiem. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:50pm
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Worse is a perspective and varies from person to person... I could argue that forced female genital mutilation is worse than killing 1000's of civilians. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:53pm
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Saudi Arabia openly harbors terrorists, and has killed almost as many civilians as Saddam. Even the UN took his threats to the US with a grain of salt, much like we are taking threats made by N. Korea. If we were seriously anticipating an attack we would already be there. Whale is right though, the Sudan is a much more distrought region that needed help way before Iraq. All you've seem to have stated is that he killed some guys and threatened us. That makes him the biggest threat? Hardly. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:57pm
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"He killed some guys and threatend us" ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!! God you have gift for understatment. And if the un took it so lightly then why did around 30 nations aid us? And we can't "already be there" because our military is already stretched so thin. Im sure once the iraq situation is stablized and the us can retract all of its troops they will handle those situations also. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 5:59pm
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Thirty nations aided us? We have by far the largest force, and contributing a adequate force is Great Britian. Hardly any other countries are sacraficing the men they are. Most of them, such as Japan, have soldiers there to protect their embassies. The scare tactic of Saddam's capability really got to you didn't it? The government is pretty good at scaring us into going along with stuff. Korea, Vietnam, now this. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:06pm
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Did i ever say anything about supporting either the korea of vietnam
wars? NONONONONONONONONONO and just to reiterate NOOO! Don't even
try to go there ummmmk! And no the government didnt use the media to slam me with false propaganda and aligations to scare me into suporting this war. I can read... i know what has happened in this world. I made my own decisions about this man and his regiem and was glad to see bush take action. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:09pm
| Action against a country with no WMD's, no ties to 9-11, and some empty threats. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:11pm
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I think I remember your old username. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:17pm
They've got oil, and remember, Saddam tried to kill Dubya's Daddy |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:18pm
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For as liberal as I am, I have a hard time believing those are the real reasons. However, with the profits these oil companies are turning out, it probably is a perk for them. However, I still believe it was a misguided mistake. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:21pm
this is precisly why we will never get anywhere. I consider harboring factions of the terrorist group that destroyted the trade centers and a tie to 911 and how do you know the threats were empty? We could have simply invaded iraq befoer he got a chane to invade or attack the us? Its all going to be hypothetical and guess work so we will never make either of us understand. I simply hate liberals who attack bush when most of them where screaming for action in the first place...so ill argue with you until i pass out from lack of oxygen or until my fingers fall off. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:23pm
| They did not harbor Al-Quaeda members until after we invaded them. That was because Al-Quaeda saw it as a way to be closer to us to attack. Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have twice as many terrorist groups within them than Iraq, and they are "allies." Bush's excuses were getting harder and harder to believe until the pushed the "lets liberate the people" crap. If that was the original reason, then be honest. If not, don't try to lie to me. |
Posted By: ryan rholes
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:30pm
| ok... whatever you say. Yes they did harbor them because before hand and had training camps for them. Im threw with this crap. I think your an idiot and you think i am an idiot so lets just call this stupid crap quits. Ill be happy to argue with you through pm's but i am tired of spamming up this thread. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:31pm
| I don't think you're an idiot. Just a little too enraged and not quite open-minded. Oh well. |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:47pm
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Is there any valid reason that this train wreck ... er, THREAD should stay open any longer? |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:48pm
Becuase there is no reason to close it? ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:52pm
And you got voting rights when? |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:56pm
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If Whale were a woman, he could say, "1920." -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:56pm
I dont, Im just saying everybody has stayed fairly sane in this thread, I dont see any reason to axe it. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:56pm
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What if I used to be a woman....wait.... ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:58pm
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There for a while it was touch and go, but yes, calmer heads have prevailed. Let's hope it stays this way. Part of our problem in society is that we can't have a discussion without going completely postal about it. You know I love ya, right Whale? ------------- If I flee, kill me If I die, avenge me |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 7:01pm
I know, your the only mod that wouldnt guest me back in the day. You need to come back to the chat. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |