Classify my religion...
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Topic: Classify my religion...
Posted By: themovielife
Subject: Classify my religion...
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:40am
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Well...I am having trouble classifying what you would call my religion.
First and foremost, I don't believe in Jehovah. Second, I don't know if it could be possible to know weather we could know if there is some type of super-natural being. Third, I am open to possible chances that there could be a creator and a heaven. Would I be a "weak" Atheist or an Agnostic Christian? 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:41am
I don't think you could ever classify yourself as a christian, because the bible says you can't stradle the fence. (praphrased of course) ------------- |
themovielife wrote:Posted By: Kpoofs
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:43am
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Part of the The Movie Life?
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:45am
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When you say, you dont believe in "Jehova" but are open to the possiblity of a creator. What do you mean? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: themovielife
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:53am
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Posted By: themovielife
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:59am
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. If I had seen, I would know. I have not seen; I do not know. I have faith. Is it acceptable to have faith in things you admit to not being totally sure of? |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:10am
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Dont have a religion, have faith. I dont go to church or pray or follow the bible. But i do believe that the universe was created, and that some big diety thing likes to mess around with us now and then. Ive always been of the opinion that all the religions out there are talking to the same guy, theyre just mucking it all up with human emotions and jealousy. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:26am
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Good you asked, i work for a church and im writing a sermon for my pastor for this sunday and i have a bunch of books on my night stand.
Sure. Faith is the beleife and trust in god. 2nd Corinthians: Verse 5. We live by faith, not by sight. We cant see, we have to feel, thats why its faith, we are tested through out faith. Abraham was considered ritcheous when he offered his son Isaac. Faith isnt blindly believing. James 2:14. What good is it, my brothers if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Faith is not just believing something. Real faith is doing things that show our faith to be real. Abraham had real faith and showed his faith by doing what god said. We can show our faith by doing what god says as well. Faith is not just believing something, its also doing what the bible says, wich really in short is surprisingly simple, dont be wicked and love your fellow man and help those that need you. As you go along in life not being sure, your faith will be filled, it might not happen all at once, but it will happen sure enough. Follow the bible and you will see god in your every day life. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:27am
Enos you would love my bible class. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 5:46am
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Posted By: tippmannboy2
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 8:44am
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I will have my bible tonight so ill put some good verses in this thread. You not a christian unless youve accepted jesus christ as our savior. ------------- Long Live The Confederacy I am an AMERICAN AND IM PROUD OF IT! |
Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 9:01am
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I think that pretty much defines your basic Agnostic. You cant really be an Agnostic Christian because the two things contradict eachother. ------------- 
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 9:07am
Not an agnostic Christian... but just an Agnostic. You say you don't believe in God. That being the case, how can you be Christian? If you don't believe in God, then you wouldn't believe in Christ. You're not an atheist. Here's the difference: An atheist says outright that there is no God. Denies his very existance. You seem to be the definition of an Agnostic. You, yourself don't believe in God, but will not deny his existance, and are open to the possibility of his existance. I was raised Catholic... but consider myself Agnostic now. I do not believe in God, but will never say that he does not exist. I cannot prove his existance, nor can I prove he does not exist. If I did believe in God, I would follow along with Enos. I would not follow an organized religion, as I believe organized religion to be a product of MAN and not God. And given it is a product of man, it is inherently flawed. I refuse to believe that one religion is right, while others are wrong, and that one group will go to purgatory based simply on what they believe... while another goes to paradise. I'd like to think someone goes to either place based on how they've lived their life... not what they believe. In any case... long story short. Agnostic is how I would categorize you. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:36am
Agnostic seems the most likely..., and that little lecture kicked arse Shorty ------------- 
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:04am
| Religon is evil. Faith is great I have faith I believe in god. But religon is what causes wars and famine and all of that. When people force there beliefs on others it can be very destructive. I think that all god wants is for everyone to have faith and to not cram it down the throats of those who don't believe. To accept others for what they are is what we are truly here for in my opinion. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:12am
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:14am
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I think god made differen't religions so people would fight holy wars in his honor will he sat back and watched them. ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:35am
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I'de say you are agnostic.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 12:12pm
| Yeah, definitely agnostic. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 12:15pm
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Yourmomisim. ------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 12:56pm
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Well, to be a Christian you must believe AND be baptized, as it says in Mark 16:16. After that you must live a faithful life. You can't just think after you are babtized that you are saved. This is the basic criteria for being a Christian. Another thing, Atheistism is a religion. Darwinism is a religion. It all depends on wat you believe in. Atheists believe that there is no God, they BELIEVE in that. Thats all I have to say.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 1:37pm
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Does it matter what you are classified as? I think what you believe in would be just a little more important.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 3:32pm
No, babtism is a sacrament but not a requirment of being Christian. Movielife, maybe you are Jewish 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:04pm
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I just dont understand all the people that think you have to do this
that and the other thing to go to heaven. Like the guy that says zomg
you have to be baptized. Are you that narrow minded? If there is a god, and hes up there keeping an eye on all of us, do you think he really gives a damn if you get water sprinkled on your head? Dont you think he would rather care if you actually believe that he exists and thats it? Religion is so stupid it blows my mind. If you want to believe in something, then BELIEVE. But dont take some pompous preachers word for it. Make up your own mind and stop being a follower. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:07pm
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Yep, thats what it comes down to. A baptism is largely symbolic, its more for recognition in the eyes of the church. Sure your sins are forgiven, but you can have that through prayer as well. Its more for being recognized as a member of the church if anything. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 5:17pm
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 5:42pm
| Tell me theres no god, and Ill show you a suicide bomber that has a bomb go off too early. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 5:44pm
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That doesnt prove God, that proves crappy bomb building... -------------
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 7:08pm
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Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be comdemmed"
Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them," Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit" So Baptizism is not just a sacrement, it is a must, as you can read for yourselve in these two verses. And being baptized is being emursed in the water, not just sprinkled. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:04pm
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No, no where does it say you are submurged and no where does it say it is a must. You are arguing with the wrong person on the wrong subject. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:43pm
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Actually the word baptise means to be immersed in water so if the bible
says to be baptised then it means you must be immeresd in the water.
And it does say you have to be baptised for your sins to be forgiven so
unless your baptised it doesn't matter what you do you still won't go
to heaven. By the way, joetheman98 do you go to a Church of Christ?
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:48pm
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You do not have to be emersed in water.. Ive helped perferm many a baptism, and no where does it say the body must be emersed, there are things called baptismal fonts, its basicaly a glorified bowl of water. So shut your mouth kid.
And you do not have to be baptised for the forgivness of sins. It is done, and practise, but in no way is it a requirment, it is a way to afirm your faith. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:50pm
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Agnostic.
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 10:50pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:49pm
| Not sure what religion that makes you, but I am pretty sure you will burn in Hell for eternity. Sinner. |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 11:57pm
(By afirm I assume you mean confirm because I can't find it in an online dictionary.) I don't really get this. Most people are baptised at a young age, either a baby or young child correct? Well, at that age you are force fed what you are to believe, so in the eyes of god would it really be the correct way to confirm someone's faith if they don't understand what they are believing? ------------- |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 12:35am
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Well, in the eyes of the church you are a member, its a way of marking the child as a christian. Its a way of afirming your faith and becoming a member of the church. Baptism means different things for different churches. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 1:34pm
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ya soonerdude05 I do go to a Church of Christ, and dbibeasu, read the verses, it says in Acts 2:38 Repent and be BAPTIZED everyone of you. If you just read that and understand it. And there is a verse concerning that baptism is being emursed in the water, I will find it and PM you. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 1:37pm
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i spelled that wrong,lol immursed* ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 2:06pm
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That's what the EDIT button is for. ------------- |
Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 3:12pm
Well since the word baptism means to be immeresed then ya you do have to go fully under. Acts 2:38 says "repent and be baptised for the remission of your sins" that means that you have to be baptised for God to forgive your sins. Have you ever even read the bible? -------------
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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 3:14pm
For baptism to be effective you must hear, believe, confess, and repent then be baptised. I don't a small child or a baby can do all 4 of those so baptising a baby won't do them any good. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 3:16pm
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They should hold people under the water longer during baptisms. -------------
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Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 3:18pm
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Long enough so they can see if they are wrong or not. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 4:33pm
Oh.. i get it.. your a baptist.. that explains a lot. A baptism is performed by blessing the child with the sign of the cross on the for head 3 times. One for each part of the trinity. No where does it say it is a necesity to be baptised, and no where does it say you must be fully emersed. It is a stepping stone of faith and a milestone in the church as far as your religious growth is concerned, but no where does it say you must be baptised. There are several people in my church who have no been baptised and still take comunion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 4:51pm
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I need to say it again, Acts 2:38, And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." So everyone one of us must be baptized. Read Mark 16:16 too. I'm still looking for that verse thats says you must be fully immursed, it is in there somewhere,lol.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:11pm
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Hmmm. An agnostic thread somehow turns into a Christianity debate...... This reminds me of all the missionaries out there trying to conivince me that their religion is what I need in my life... I am not saying what happened here is wrong, just that I find it interesting. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:13pm
| Missionaries....good lord. That's what Africans and South Americans need....to be "encouraged" to change their faith. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:15pm
And what i am telling you is, you will not find any verse that says you must be fully emersed and quit raming that verse down my throat, no where does it say you must be baptised for the forgiveness of sin. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:17pm
I consider anyone that tells anything about their religion without me first asking them about it, as a missionary regardless of what part of the world is.  -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:21pm
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Agreed. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:25pm
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You both are right. I dont know a lot of missionaries, i only know one. Jacki Pulinger. She did some work in Hong Kong, and she wrote a book about her work. Its called chasing the dragon. Its a good book. The kids from the walled city asked her, she didnt push. Its a good book. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:30pm
I did find verses about a baptizim being fully immursed in the the water. Act 8:38-39 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. -So they went down INTO the water, he was immeresed and baptized, them came UP out of the water. So the eunuch was fully immersed. This is one example of a immersion. Another.... Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. -When you bury someone, you fully cover them with dirt. When you baptize someone you fully cover them with water, as Paul said, but he used the word buried to decribe it. -So from what I know and understand you must be fully immersed to be baptized, and that you must be baptized as it says in Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16.You guys can keep your opinions, I'm just stating mine. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:35pm
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... No.. Just no, they say they go into the water, they say nothing about being submerged. It says NOTHING about being submerged ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Stop, you are wrong. Millions of churches do baptisms every single day, and they dont all completely submerge anyone. You. Are. Wrong. Just stop. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:37pm
| Wow, Joe - that is some SERIOUS stretching... |
Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:56pm
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Well I can't go any further on this, I stated wat i believe in, theres no more to it. You guys can believe in wat u want, and I believe in wat I want. And we shouldn't consider this as a arguement, but as a debate.It is good learning more about God and wat he did for us. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:58pm
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No, your taking what your church tells you as fact. They are opinions, go to another church, you will see a font used for springling water on peoples head. No where does the bible say anyone has to be fully submerged. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:13pm
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No, Im taking what the BIBLE tells me as a fact, not what people tell me. You must first read the Bible and learn from it. Don't always trust what people say to you. People make mistakes, Jesus doesn't. And Jesus gave us the Bible for that purpose. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:17pm
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Jesus made the mistake of having himself killed so I can sin all I want then repent on my death bed and be okay. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:18pm
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You read the bible, and what you got was that Jesus and god dont make mistakes? You need to hit the books again and study up, because no where does it say anything about full submersion or infalibility. Point in fact, god made the biggest mistake of all, its in genisis, see if you can pick it out. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:20pm
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Creating man {kind} is his image when God is infact a woman? -------------
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:29pm
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Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. As it says in the latter part of this verse, The Father is perfect. Since Jesus is the father, the trinity( God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) that means he is perfect. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:29pm
Parable of the vinyard my friend. The parable of the vinyard. I read it while i helped preside over my grandmothers funeral. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:31pm
Says mathew. Jesus is not the father. God is the father. I went to school to learn about the holy trinity and i still cant explain it to you. God says in genisis that he made a mistake. So look it up, then come back. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:44pm
No I'm not baptist I'm Church of Christ. And are you just not reading the posts? Acts 2:38 "repent and be BAPTISED for the remission of your sins" It don't get no plainer than that my friend. You think that you can just take the parts of the bible that you like and then leave the parts out you don't like. That's why you think baptism isn't neccessary. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:51pm
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No, you havent shown me one passage where it says someone is going to hell if not baptised. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:54pm
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Well people will go to hell if they aren't saved and you aren't saved
untill you're baptised so I guess it doesn't get much plainer than that.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:55pm
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Nope, baptism is not a requisite for being saved. Its not required, its a good idea, but not required. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:59pm
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I agree with sooner
I will try to clear up the Trinity Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. In this verse God is pural. You are all gonna say that you must have an s after a word to be pural, wrong. You must understand Greek to understand why it is pural. The original word Elohim, God, is certainly the plural form of El,or Eloah. This implys a plurality of Persons in the Divine nature. As this plurality appears in so many parts of the Bible to be confined to three Persons, which is the Trinity. So the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:01pm
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Hey DBib are you catholic? Just wondering.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:02pm
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They are one and they are seperate. Its the holy trinity.. If Jesus was just plain ole god, he wouldnt need to speak to god in the bible. They are one in the same but they are also seperate entities. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:02pm
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Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It says EVERY ONE of you Repent and be Baptized. So everyone of us needs to repent and be baptized. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:06pm
Yes and i work in a chuch. Yes it says repent and be baptised, for the forgiveness of sins. The forgiveness comes from repenting, baptism is a way of telling everyone that you are christian. Its not mandatory for the forgiveness of sins. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:09pm
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Jam 1:14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
Jam 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. So these verses show that sin brings forth death(spiritual death). So if we do not take care of our sins by forgiving, we will die in them. ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:10pm
| There is no god. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:13pm
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We take care of our sin during church on sunday by asking forgiveness. No where in those passages does it say anything about forgiving.
In the lords prayer, it says "forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us." this is trying to encourage us to be christlike. Its urging us to turn the other cheek. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:16pm
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dbib show me a verse that says that you only have to repent, but we do have a verse that says all of us need to Repent and be baptized, Acts 2:38, back your points up with scripture ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:23pm
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None of those scriptures are saying baptism is mandatory. If anything, baptism is a way of washing away your sins prior to being baptised, remember, when jesus was baptising people, it was their first time being baptised.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved." Acts 16:31 "Repent ye therefore ... that your sins may be blotted out." Acts 3:19 "With the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom. 10:10 "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life." Rev. 2:10 "Those who hope on the lord shall renew their strength, they shall rise up like eagle with wings of great length." Iseah 40:31 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:30pm
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I am confused, with what you said, "baptizim is a way of washing away your sins away prior to being baptized'? That doesnt make any sense ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:31pm
| DiBownage. |
Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:32pm
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oh, the sins that were commited before you were baptized, i think that was what you were saying ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:32pm
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Jesus went around baptising people. These people werent baptised before, they were sinning and unclean and all that. They were baptised and their prior sins were washed away. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:40pm
i agree with that, but why would one person only have to repent to be saved, or to believe to be saved. I know verses may say believe and you will be saved, yes that is true, if you believe you will be saved, but there are others steps to it ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:44pm
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Accept jesus as your savior, and thats it. Some people cant get baptised for one reason or another, they die before they are baptised, whatever, its not a necesity. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: joetheman89
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:50pm
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well i cant agree on that, we may never agree on it, i believe in wat i believe in, and you believe in what you believe in, thats the furthest we can go, we don't wanna get in a huge agruement about this, and it was a pleasure talking about this subject, but i gotta to go anyway ------------- 98 Custom Armson Stealth 13" Flatline GTA Expansion Chamber GTA Double Trigger Ben Tippmann Sealed Bolt Lapco Drop APP Sling |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:51pm
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Can you be baptised twice or more times?
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 11:53pm
Sure, but generaly you only do it once. Sometimes people do it when they are older. Its a personal decision. Some people get it done a second time so they feel they got baptized and they wanted to be baptized, not just because they got it done when they were a todler. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 30 July 2005 at 1:27am
I hear this is going to be a double feature and the second show is
going to be about politics. Sits down with munchies and
waits. 
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