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Topic: For ejp and company.
Posted By: Funky
Subject: For ejp and company.
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:42pm
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So, ofcourse, I love google, google's a great friend to me. So I was just reading all the swastika garbage and it got me curious about this good luck charm of yours. http://www.hostultra.com/%7EExidor/Swastika/Swastika.html - Well, after reading this lovely article... It makes me wonder why ejp posted the image representing the Nazi flag and not an image of this  .Clearly, he wants to make a stupid point, but does he really have to go through the trouble of offending some of the forumers in the process? I'm just curious why a mod hasn't reacted to it and any sensible mod would know there are many Jews on the forum and some would find it offensive. In any event, I present my sig, a good luck gesture to America... (and yes, I'm aware I'm sinking myself to his level by using a sig similar to his, but by his definition, it's simply a good luck gesture) I'll keep my eyes to the sky for Superman... ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:44pm
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Wow, You have changed your sig in ages. ------------- 
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:48pm
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He is making a point. Hes using the same arguement that the people who support the confedurate flag do. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:49pm
It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate. ------------- 
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cdacda13 wrote:Posted By: _TT_
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:51pm
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While I am aware of there disscussion going on about offensiveness of symbols and flags, turning this forum into a pro Nazi rally isnt the way to prove a point.
I will also take down the burning cross. If I have missed any PM me or post who has what in here. |
Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:53pm
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Beautiful.
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:55pm
No, its teh perfect way to make a point. The swastick(sp) did mean good luck. As the confedurate flag also meant state rights. But, people used them for thier cause and changed thier meanings. People use the confedurate flag as a way to show hate towards minorities. The swastick is now considered a symbol of hate. Personally, I would be very worried walking into a GOVERNMENT building that has a Nazi flag hanging up, as I would walking into a GOVERNMENT building that has a confederate flag hanging up. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:01pm
Yep, the Nazi flag is capable of only one interpretation. But the swastica image, has been a good luck charm for and unbeleivably long time. When dealing with symbols, you cannot use your own culture as a magnafying glass. We are all aware of what the Nazi flag means, and the feelings it carries, perhaps the nazi flag was a poor example. But the confederate flag is completely different. Yes it was a battle flag during the civil war, but it was also part of the flags before the civil war, the stars and bars do not only represent hate, or murder, or genocide. People have used it and twisted it to advertise white supremacy, but they have also used the swastica and cross and another of other images. They pick these images, these very serious images in an effort to be taken seriously. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:05pm
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I disagree. The comparison is perfect. The flag is a symbol of pride, of unity and determination, and of great strides in accomplishment. To others, it is a symbol of hate. Quick - which flag am I describing?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:07pm
Nail on the head. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:08pm
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The Nazi flag. You just described germanies nationalistic pride post WWI. Then you described the unity of the germans and how they were determined to create the german holy nation and such. Then the great strides in accomplishment refers to hitlers policies getting the country out of a rediculous amount of debt. Am i right? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:09pm
| He's describing both. Or possibly any flag for that matter. The people living under it see it as one thing. The outsiders see it for something else. |
Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:11pm
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I understand the different meaning of the swastika, but for me i can never look at it as a symbol of good luck. Its one of those things that has been drilled into people that just doesnt go away, i guess. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:12pm
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Funny, as a Suddam loyalist, I thought she was describing the American Flag. -------------
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:14pm
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The confenerate flag. People who supporrted the conferatcy still hang
that flag proudly. All southern states came together under that flag.
They fought to the last man to get what they wanted. But, it also can show hate towards minorities. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:23pm
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cda's spelling is atrocious. living in the south, i know plenty of people who sport the confederate flag proudly. i personally do not display it, just not really my heritage. my family roots were not here during the civil war. as far as the confederate flag goes, it can be interpreted many ways, as can any flag. guess it all depends on which side of the flag you stand upon. touchy subject, i'm not gonna get heavily involved in it. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:26pm
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Exactly, if you are a black person living in the north, there is a chance you are very against the flag. If you are an average joe living in the south. You probly wont pin it up everywhere but you dont think it represents hate. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:27pm
How many germans are proud to fly that flag outside their window these days? -------------
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:29pm
I know, tell me about it. Hooked on phonics did not work. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:30pm
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In germany their history books are very acurate. They acknowledge that it was deplorable and wrong. The Nazi symbol is outlawed. Funny, they have no neo nazis but we do. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Kpoofs
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:32pm
Thank you for helping me prove my point in the first place, Funky.
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:32pm
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Why does it matter if it's a swastika or a Nazi flag? The point remains
that some are more offended by symbols than others, and while I have a
right (or would have in the United States of America) to fly a Nazi
flag (or even only a swastika), whether the government buildings should
be flying is a different question entirely. Funky, you make me giggle. Keep it up, kid.
—So http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_pictures/symbols/images/swastika.gif - this , then, is perfectly cool? |
Posted By: eMike
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:50pm
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Ejp. Isn't it just easier to stop all this nonsense? Why
have these things in your sig if they offend people? Seems kind
of cruel to me.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:52pm
He's proving a point. ------------- 
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Posted By: eMike
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:55pm
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Seems like a stupid point to prove.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:56pm
That's your opinion. -------------
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:58pm
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EDIT: Removed Bowie KEEP IN MIND WHO YOU'RE ARGUING WITH HERE!  He's damned sexy, which means he has argument magic powers. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:11pm
Probbaly none. Isn't being a nazi illegal in germany? ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:11pm
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The flag has been banned. Its taken very very seriously. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: ninety8freak
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:33pm
| its offensive to some because they have those memories but, to some who find it as a good luck charm |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:35pm
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No one on this forum has memories from the haulocast. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:36pm
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holocaust you mean?
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Posted By: ninety8freak
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:37pm
| yea but, its still offensive to people |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:37pm
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Yeah sure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 2:56pm
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dingdingdingding But as Dune pointed out, it doesn't matter which flag I was decribing. The point stands regardless. To whoever asked how many German proudly fly swastikas - not many, because they get thrown in jail. But you better believe that there are plenty of people around the world who remain proud of that flag. Some are in Germany, many are in the US, and others hang out at Stormfront. But even if the number were zero, that would be irrelevant. It isn't the numbers - it is the principle. Listening to white Southerners explain how the confederate battle flag isn't really a symbol of hate is EXACTLY like listening to nazis explain how the swastika isn't really a symbol of hate. If you are trying to determine whether something is offensive, it is probably a good place start if you ask the people who are likely to be offended, instead of the excusers and enablers. Telling somebody why they "shouldn't" be offended by something is a silly and useless exercise. The FACT is that millions of Americans find the stars and bars just as offensive as a swastika - perhaps even more. Just because YOU happen to disagree with that belief doesn't make it any more real. |
Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:00pm
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Laaayylaaa, you got me on mah kneeees Laaaayyyllaaaa, I'm beggin' daarllin pleease! ------------- 
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:01pm
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So...does that mean the US flag should be banned from this forum?
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:03pm
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But being offended is not a crime. Some people are offended by homosexual marriage.. But at the rate we are going, it will be perfectly legal in the next 10 years. Being offended, who cares, people are offended by things every day. Its not hurting anyone. States rights and all that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:10pm
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More to the point, being offensive is not a crime. Absolutely. More to the point, a person's right to fly a swastika or stars and bars is protected (in the US) by the first amendment. But that just makes the conversation more important. Since the law can't (and shouldn't) stop people from flying confederate flags, we have to spread information about just how offensive it is, so that people will decide on their own to stop. That's how behavior changes in the US - through political speech and community opinion. May the best opinion win.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:13pm
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It is all about respect for others. If everyone tried harder at showing it to everyone else, this world would be a much better place to live.
I include myself in those that need to show more respect to others so if I need improvement, so do others. -------------
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:49pm
dingdingding I'm glad you agree with me: (a) It's refreshing to know that I'm not completely crazy and (b) You're writing my responses for me—and probably more eloquently. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 3:54pm
layla, darling won't you ease my worried mind!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 7:54pm
Well that's why they light the cross. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:08pm
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^^^^^ Assuming that's true (I have no reason to doubt), I don't see how anybody could ever be offended by such a symbol of love and independence. I'm going to light a cross on my lawn right now. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:10pm
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I have wanted to burn crosses on my front lawn during the christmas holidays but I cant cause it means something completey different from the offense I am trying to make with that statement.
/me shakes fist in the air. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:12pm
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I'm going to burn a lower case t on my lawn, for "tolerance."
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:12pm
| lol - yeah, I was trying to scare my black neighbors with my burning cross, but they came out and started singing Scottish independence songs instead while holding hands. Go figure. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:20pm
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Why not buy one of those light up plastic Manger sets and burn one of them? Burning baby Jesus > * ------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:21pm
I think about that every day. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:22pm
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Hahaha. Good Idea. Now I just have to get the proper fire permits. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:23pm
| That couldn't possibly offend anybody. Everybody likes a good re-enactment of the death of Jesus, right? Even if there is a little creative license taken. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:23pm
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Wear a pagen worship outfit and dance around it as it burns while shouting in tounges and saying Harry Potter made you do it. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:25pm
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If I'm going to kill Jesus I'm going to do it right. Dressed as a Roman. Maybe with a big smile on my face. |
Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:31pm
Kobe: Tee. T-time to leave? |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:37pm
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Look, i can understand that you all are atheists, and i can understand some of you feel wronged by religion. But saying you would like to reanact a persons torture is sick. Saying you want to burn any relgious symbol is wrong. Reguardless of its oragin, its in very poor taste. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:38pm
| So sarcasm and joking only works one way? Atheists can't joke? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:38pm
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Poor taste? Absolutely. Kind of like flying the confederate battle flag in public. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:39pm
| And I might be the only atheist in this thread right now. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:40pm
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So, the Passion movie was poor taste?
I am not Athesist, BTW. -------------
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:42pm
| I am not either. 8888 Hades. |
Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:42pm
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What if I draped the baby Jesus in an American flag first, THEN burn it? ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:43pm
Yes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:44pm
Truly made me laugh out loud.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:47pm
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Since we are discussing offensiveness in things, this bring up something I have been thinking about lately...
I work for 2 different local goverments. At both jobs I am not allowed to wear articles of clothing/jewelery that are considered offensive. Now if I was to wear a t-shirt with an upside down cross or a pentagram on it and was fired could I sue if the same place allows crosses to be worn? -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:47pm
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BTW - anybody noticed the strong apparent correllation between people holding these two views: 1. Flying the stars and bars is expressing national pride 2. Burning the Stars and Stripes is unamerican Kind of ironic... |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:48pm
Good point. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:48pm
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Depends on the specific circumstances, but generally yes. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:59pm
OH! Sorry 
Burning the stars and stripes. I dont think it should be done, i can understand how it can be used to express yourself, when you are so fed up with the government when the only way to express your anger is to burn it. I can understand that, but i also feel that flags should be respected, because of the people that fought and died under that flag. The stars and bars is not soley about racism, it is used by racist and skinheads who honesly believe "the south with rise again" but the average southerner knows that racism is wrong and should be avoided. A lot of it is southern pride, that flag is uniquely southern. It represents a large region called "The South" People are proud of it and they are not about to get rid of it because the NAACP doesnt like it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 8:59pm
| You misread, DiBi - Stars and Stripes, not the cross... |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:12pm
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What the HELL have i missed? ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:15pm
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DiBi - I can certainly see how those beliefs are reconcilable, but there is a certain irony to flying a treasonous flag while decrying those who express opposition to the government... Only a minor point. :) |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:16pm
You say that in every thread... Really, virtually every thread. -------------
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:19pm
I deffinately didn't post in this thread...? Well besides this post of course. ------------- |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:22pm
Why is it a treasonous flag though? It was around before the civil war. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:25pm
| It became treasonous as soon as the war began. When it was flown as a battle standard for a treasonous war, it became a treasonous flag. |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:38pm
I'm pitching my idea for a new southern flag. Still in it's early stages... but I feel it's effective. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:39pm
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*Giggle* ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:40pm
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I am too hypnotized by your sig to read your post.
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 11:48pm
That song was written for george harrisons wife.... For all yall that didnt know. ------------- 
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Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 12:23am
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That just made me Laugh.... ------------- SL68II Pro/Am 68 Carbine |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 12:26am
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It was funny. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 12:27am
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Just remember...14 Words... ------------- SL68II Pro/Am 68 Carbine |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 12:34am
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K.. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:45am
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I thought you were leaving? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:46am
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Im glad hes around. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:55am
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And oh, does anyone have a link to what I missed? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:56am
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Him and zesty got into it. And Seb got fed up with it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:57am
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Who's him? ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 2:58am
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Seb. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 3:07am
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Haha what a joke. I thought he would be back, but not that soon. ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 5:26am
aaahhh, you used to do this thing where you'd say "waite" when you were comming into a topic you had no clue about. Anyway, i think Frozen is right...i do say that in every post, dont I? I've been gone recently though, i've had some family stuff going on. So can anyone fill me in on what the hell is going on? ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |