What ever happened to?
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Topic: What ever happened to?
Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Subject: What ever happened to?
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:27pm
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The old days...
You know. Ya can't turn on a comedian anymore without hearing 2 hours of stupid sex jokes with about 15 minutes of funny stuff mixed in. People didn't over use the "quote" funcion. (This is really starting to annoy me.) If you want to qoute someone make sure that you have something to say after you quote them... 
You had fun things like knome wars, and poetry battles. Rap music was poetic, and not about how many people you wacked, or how many "ho's" you had...(that was a long time ago). If you want to listen to good rap, it has to be underground / Christian. People didn't actually try to dodge the filter...can't you people talk without saying something vulgar or inapropriate. 
I know that there are those here that do not like me at all, because of my political views and my religiouse beliefs, and you people don't have to read my posts if you don't want to.
HOWEVER, This place has turned into a pit of mire. Aren't there any still left to save this place?  ------------- 
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:29pm
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what are your political views and religious beliefes? and about the comedy stuff......im with you 100% on that
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:33pm
I'm a Christian and a Conservative...This has put a black label on me...can't see why though. 
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:35pm
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Yeah and all black comedians talk about these days is making fun of white people or talking about how "tough" it is being black.
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Posted By: Savior_six
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:40pm
Exaclty, Blacks make fun of whites, whites want to make fun of blacks but dont want to offened anyone. And then mexicans come out of nowhere and blind side us. ------------- Team Salem, Kuwait 08 |
oreomann33 wrote:Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:42pm
You see, that doesn't bother me that much. Anyone who has lived in the getto knows how tough it is. Regaurdless of your skin color. The fact that they poke fun at white people only bothers me because, if a white person were to poke fun at black people you'd hear about that "horrid" act for years. -------------
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:46pm
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How many black comedians came from the ghetto? Dave Chapelle was born in Washington D.C D.L Huegly was born in South Carolina. I cant think of any others right now... -------------
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:47pm
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It is said that what is called "the spirit of an age" is something to which one cannot return. That this spirit gradually dissipates is due to the world's coming to an end. In the same way, a single year does not have just spring or summer. A single day, too, is the same. For this reason, although one would like to change today's world back to the spirit of one hundred years or more ago, it cannot be done. Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation. -Hagakure
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:47pm
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Good point.
Reif...I would take the best of this generation. If I could find ANYTHING good. It's been really hard. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:48pm
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Oh my. This thread is full of hate.
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:50pm
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Towards whom? I don't hate you. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:52pm
The black community... You're just sterotyping them. Do you want everyone to think that you are all typical white people and cannot dance? -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:52pm
Mountain Dew? Coolatas! Surge!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:52pm
Ya.. I liked it back in 03.... 03 was the best year of the forum since I've joined. Don't know about old blue though... ------------- 
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:53pm
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It just needs some work is all. It is harder for anybody old enough to remember different ways to accept the way things are now, especially with how quickly things change. And we can't 'take' the best of the generation unless we 'make' the best of this generation. We're not so far removed from it that our influence is lost. We can influence our young relatives and friends, and young society itself by our actions.
It would be a profound movement that could be seen from our individual perspectives. We're the butterflies trying to raise storms in faroff places with the beat of our wings. We only lose our influence if we give up, and by giving up we actually hurt instead of help. There isn't much middle ground. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:55pm
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Well who in the hell let you out of your hole? Where is Rockslide, isnt he supposed to keep you in there? ------------- Hey, nice marmot!  |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:55pm
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Now that the mods don't care much anymore, reclusive runs amok away form his hole. I'm glad we have him back... -------------
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:59pm
sweet, im also a christian and conservative..... ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:02pm
HOW?! I never said anything about how "black people" behave... We did comment on some of the black comedians. This could, I suppose, be interpreted as a "stereotype". Black people are just like anyone else, there are good ones and bad ones...of course if you want to label me somemore, you have the right. -------------
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:04pm
I broke out...rock is not my keeper anyhow. Daddy Carrr is.  -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:05pm
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What I'm tired of is whens ome of them play the slave card.
Who cares? Jews (whites/arabs) were slaves to Egyptians (Blacks/Arabs) ... everyone was a slave to someone.. drop it already. -------------
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:06pm
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I was a slave for a week...no kidding.
Not going into it though. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:06pm
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Racist. ------------- Hey, nice marmot! |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:07pm
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Christian rap? Does that even exist?
But yeah, i dont really go for all this "Save the forum" type stuff. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:08pm
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I'm not talking about saving the forum really, though that would be nice. I'm talking about saving society as a whole. Making it better. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:11pm
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:14pm
You are a racist. You make me sick. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:17pm
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Really, if you guys are going to be that ignorant and closed minded as to not understand what i wrote, but just comment on what I wrote, I'm done trying to get through to you guys. -------------
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Posted By: mysteriousone
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:22pm
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i really do not see how linus is being racsist maybe somebody just thinks he is because they do not fully understand what linus means -------------  "Where is your beer tonight? I hope its a heineken."
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:39pm
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Whale and Cedric are just pushing Buggs buttons Mysterious, You will learn this soon enough. As for saveing society, there are a few good people left, but now adays it seems influence comes from the majority, and the majority seems to be smacktards. |
Posted By: mysteriousone
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:41pm
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lol smacktards.... ------------- "Where is your beer tonight? I hope its a heineken."
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:47pm
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I blame it on the schools.... And Politics |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:58pm
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There's really a bunch of great stuff about the times if everyone would shut up about how bad it is and look for it. Good music is still being made, good causes are still being fought for, good books are still being written, good movies are still being made, good culture still exists out there, etc. I have not been bored in God knows how long, and it's all because I've been doing something rather than **edited**ing about everything I'd rather not do. |
Posted By: For Honor
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:01pm
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What happend to those good old family values, on which we used to rely..... ------------- 
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:12pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:16pm
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What happened to the old days? They went away, thank god. The old days sucked. Today > Old days. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: paintballu
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:43pm
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my xchat died...... no more irc :( |
Posted By: For Honor
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:48pm
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HES A FAMILY GUY!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------
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Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:03pm
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Anyone remember Crystal Pepsi (attempting to change the subject) ------------- 
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:04pm
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Yeah...it was nasty. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:07pm
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DMX - Where the Hood At Dangerous minority infighting! -------------
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Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:09pm
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They tried testing it in my town...the malls had Crystal Pepsi machines
setup to give free cans...but I guess people just found in to be weird
having clear cola
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:13pm
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is that a joke?!?!?! If you are black then you need to know something i saw on the history channel this february. In africa, tribes who captured other warriors would use the prisoners as slaves. Then they would buy, sell, and trade them. Thus starting the slave trade of your own people. There was slave trade in europe too. So if you think just being white and talking about slavery makes you a rascist, then we are a very rascist people. -Heywood jablowme |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:19pm
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Yeah... Tribes in africa used to inslave eachother constantly. And there is still slavery there. We didnt just run on over, round us up 200 people and come back. We bought them from the slave trading tribes. Race didnt come into until peoples conscience got the best of them. Then they decided because they couldnt read(because no one tought them) that they were less than human. Kind of a weird twisted logic. And some places they used the bible to justify slavery, but in that passage they wre talking about the relation between man and god in parable form. Back then acording to religious law you couldnt talk about god directly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:19pm
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OH I give up....Leaving this one to the MODS
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:34pm
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Mods is not an acronym, it doesn't get capitalized.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:35pm
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If you think something in this thread requires my attention, please point it out to me... I am slow today. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:54pm
Sorry, I just see it going bad once the "racist" name calling starts. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:58pm
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Linus is doin his best to not get baited into any silly arguments. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:36pm
What about in the 1800's in New York when gang fights would take place daily in the Five Points? Violence has always been here and always will. |
Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:38pm
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That was really good movie (gangs of newyork) Its crazy that you can
still see the areas that that kind of stuff happened so long ago.
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:40pm
| I know the movie isn't entirely real, but there was something on the History Channel the other day about it too. |
Posted By: CHAOSS
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:41pm
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that would be cool to see also...I love those kind of shows
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:42pm
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You completely missed the FG reference?
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:42pm
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How did this thread get here? -------------
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:43pm
| Somebody wrote about 'good ol family values' and I was saying that times really haven't changed. Read my first post. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:48pm
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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:49pm
| Oh. I don't watch to much of family guy. Well, ignore my last few posts. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:07pm
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 8:42pm
Well, what do you know. I was about to say something along the lines of "I don't think that's the next line of the theme song," but figured that your post was some Family Guy quote that I had never heard before. Hm. Oh well. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 8:48pm
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What is wrong with 2 hours of sex jokes? If you dont like it change the channel or pop open http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0517587165/103-5909730-2538259?v=glance - Milton Berle's Private Joke File : Over 10,000 of His Best Gags, Anecdotes, and One-Liners but to be honest I have read them all and was bored 97 percent of the time. I think some of society is tired of being censored and told what they can and cant joke about and crack jokes at things that were previously forbidden and tabboo to joke about.
I can respect that your a conservative and christian but there are tons of option in this day and age were within your finger tips, you can find entertainment to suit your needs. I do wish the swear filter dodging on this forum would stop, not because I find the words offensive but it gives a greater chance for some people to expand their vocabulary. ------------- 
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 7:54am
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I wasn't talking about censorship...You're right I can change the channel. It doesn't really offend me, it's just tiring because I don't find them funny. My whole original question was really trying to get to the subject of honor. The sexual humor doesn't offend me it degrades women. Where has the honor gone? I, personally try to live my life with respect to others.
Kids don't need to hear degrading remarks about women. And they don't need to hear degrading remarks about men. My generation seems to get it's jollies off of making others look and feel bad...and it's gotten worse. What is the ultimate outcome of degrading "humor" and foul language? What is the outcome of all the violence seen on tv (every show that is not a "reality" show seems to dwell on murder.) What ever happened to the desire to teach our kids what is good. What happened to teaching kids to respect each other and their elders (granted I know that there isn't much to respect at times when talking about 'elders')? I mean listen to these kids in here... Take a look at the stuff that they find 'funny'. Some of it is funny, most of it is dispicable. I know that it sounds like I'm wining, but I'm only trying to make some of the people in here aware of what's going on. Hades, me and you have been at odds before, but I still respect you very much. And (believe it or not) I listen (read in this case) to your statments. I really hope that the people that decide to respond to this post READ the whole thing before responding. Later -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 9:59am
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If we take degrading jokes about women as an example, my experience is that we have improved drastically over the last few decades. While TV may have gotten more raunchy, the public acceptance of what is a kosher attitude about women has improved significantly. The general view of women is much more egalitarian and fair now than at any point in the history of this nation. Sandra Day O'Connor, upon graduating from Stanford law school in the early 70s was offered a job as a legal secretary. That would never happen today. No matter how much you disapprove of degrading jokes on TV or in rap music, I don't see how one can possibly claim that the treatment of women in American society has done anything other than improve drastically. |
Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 12:02pm
I think that I've caught you actually agreeing with me...
The attitude towards women has not really improved, but changed. I'll admit that in general it has changed for the better. However, my point wasn't simply to use women as a primary example. I only thought about that as an example of a degrading generation, because of some of the recent movies that have come out, and jokes that I've heard on tv. I've got a friend that watches comedy central while the rest of us play WOW. I've just overheard some pretty bad stuff specifically reguarding women. Reguardless, my entire point was to say that people of this generation seem incapable of feeling good about themselves unless they can put someone else down. Clark...I am aware that my mere existence convicts you in many ways, and that you desire to try and bate me into a petty argument that doesn't matter. You will not admit that I convict you by just being here and believing in things that you have sworn to hate... but deep down you know that my beliefs are right, and you are trying your hardest to deny it. That's fine, I love you anyway. No matter what you say as a reply to this post will change that... I hope you at least read this. Later -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 12:33pm
RT. I resect you as well. I wasnt trying to sound harsh or anything, it is just hard to nail tone through writing for me at least...
I used to not watch the Howard Stern show because I felt it degraded women. After a while I realised that the women, he was attacking were guests that chose to be on his show. In a way I now feel that they are inviting themselves be to ripped apart for some moments of fame or whatever they can glean off him. I, personally, dont find jokes, bashings on other people to be offensive. I think it is healthy for people to learn to resolve conflict. I do find it is unforunate that there has to be a butt of a joke, but that is the way some humor works. I dont feel it is the fault of the comedian if jokes are taken for more than the lighthearted humor they are meant to be. Yes, unfortunately there are people out there that take jokes further than they should and apply them as philosophies of their lives, but overall I feel society can handle them in their proper context. Now, I feel like I am rambling and have gotten lost as to what my point was. :) I do agree that most of the time there isnt anything to watch on Tv. I spend lots of hours watching the Home and Garden Channel simply because nothing esle grabs me. As for the kids, I think as long as their guardians instill proper manners and respect before TV takes over their lives, they will be okay. As for the members and the forum. For the most part the younger members are truely a great group of youth. Most of them continue to get good marks in school and hold jobs, all while spending time on the internet. The humor they enjoy is partly do to the phase in comedy that is currently popular and taboo subject and rivially is what is exciting at their age. Hence the popularity of shows like then Bevis and Butthead, and now SouthPark. While I try to respect my fellow mankind, I dont have any qualms about pointing out differences. Heck, I would be happy to have made an impression on someone so much they would waste 20 seconds of their time to point out what they saw. To me that is flattering. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:13pm
| Listen to Mitch Hedbergs last cd before he passed away. It is some of the funniest stuff I've heard, and it's not even risqué. There is some language, but it's not sexual. Seriously, listen to it. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 3:22pm
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This may shock you, but I often agree with you.
I understood it that way, and I think women make a good example. Which goes back to my original point - while the media has gotten raunchier, societal attitudes overall have, IMO, vastly improved over the last few decades. We are, IMO, more inclusive, less rigid, more open-minded, more open to change and differences, and less stuck on tradition than ever before. And, in my view, those are all good things. Moreover, I don't view raunchy TV as degradation - I view it as improvement. I am a regular viewer of Comedy Central. In fact, it is my default channel. It is also the host of the very best shows on television at the moment - South Park. And South Park is the best show in large part specifically because it is raunchy and unafraid. Do my eyes occasionally widen in minor shock during a SP episode? Absolutely - and that is a GOOD thing. Not just because of the improved entertainment value, but because SP forces me to continuously reevaluate my values and beliefs. SP (and Howard Stern, and similar shows) will not let me be complacent and passive in my beliefs - they provide a challenge. And challenges are good. The fact that these shows are allowed to exist is further evidence of the improvement of US society. Instead of putting our heads in the sand and pretending that these issues don't exist, and portraying some made-up world as reality (a la Leave it to Beaver), we now embrace shows that depict and address the actual challenges of society. We have moved from "Gee, swell!" TV to "aw, crap" TV. And that is a GOOD thing.
I disagree completely with this point, at least to the extent that you are implying that there is more of this now than before. In fact, in my view, there is LESS of this now than ever before. In the US 40 years ago, our entire society was based around classes, whether they be based on race, gender or or socioeconomic status, and most people could take refuge in how they were "better" than group X. I believe our current pro-egalitarian cultural movement has taken us further from that than ever before. There certainly is plenty left, but I feel strongly that we are improving.
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Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 4:08pm
Then don't worry about it...I assumed wrong. Obviousely we're gonna has to agree to disagree on a few issues. But I'm glad to hear that you actually agree with me at times. I hope someday we meet on the field. 
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