A-5 or 98C?????
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Topic: A-5 or 98C?????
Posted By: Analog666
Subject: A-5 or 98C?????
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 2:25pm
alright, i know i had another post stating that i was getting the a-5, well im starting to think differently, i need as many oppinoions as possible, which gun would be better, the 98c or the a-5? but if u do state which gun u like better, can u give me some perks so i can compare the 2? for example--like mannuverability through forests (im playing woosball) i still have some time 2 decide, cause i dont have all of the money yet, thanks alot!!!!!! ------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
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Posted By: tinyman
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 4:15pm
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i have a 98c but if you play woodsball i would get the a5 becoz the flatline is vary easy to install |
Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 4:22pm
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I have a 98C that I use for my woods/senario gun. I love my 98C. It's
slightly smaller and lighter, but after you get a firepower upgrade,
revy, and the rest of the ups, it would honestly be cheaper to get the
A-5 and a barrel for woodsball only. The 98C and pro can and will make
for a better speedball and all around gun if you have to stay
inexpensive. I ended up getting a dedicated speedball gun anyway. Just
my two cents. Hope it helps. |
Posted By: G36 Monkey
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 4:24pm
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a-5 rocks hard but so does the 98, a-5 has more upgrades and comes stock with a good hopper (though you could take off cyclone and get an even better hopper) but the 98 is already set for those really good hoppers. The 98's e bolt would be harder to find but if you got a custom pro you could just get an e grip. Now if you dont want fire power upgrades i dont know which to reccomend, probably the 98 since you wont need as much. Just get what you think will be better, if you have more questons im here alot when im done with homework. Pm me or just post here. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Psycho Ballistics Double Trigger A-5 E-Grip (tweaked and resoldered) Lapco Bigshot 12 inch Barrel Remote (Brand unknown) Soon to come: G36c Scenario kit Nitrogen |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 5:29pm
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ok yea, ive been reading some reviews , and they all say that the a-5 is really good for woodsball, cause its ruggedness or soem junk like that, ok this is off topic, but whats scenario ??? everyione keeps saying it and i have nop clue what it is, i know speedball its when ur urnning around those big inflated things, and its liek really close, woodsball is like war, thats about it, alright,but what i like about the a-5 is that u can strip it in like a minute, and again when i was looking on at a bunch of sites and they said the cyclone feed like never failed in 100 shots, so thats what m thinking, im not planning on ordering anything off of sites cause i dont wanna get like uber serious, im just gonna get stuff from my local shop, and also do u guys think that a drop forward would be a good idea, cause i sw a picture with a tank on it and its like massive ------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 5:32pm
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woodsball? get an a-5(and you're hearing this from a 98 owner) ------------- 
http://www.freewebs.com/hazedinsanity - http://www.freewebs.com/hazedinsanity |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 5:33pm
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haha really, u can use 98 c for speedball?
------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 6:06pm
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Yes, you can use any gun for speedball. As for you I'd get the A-5. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: Saint
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 6:09pm
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Go with the A-5. I have both, and I like my A-5 more than the 98, for some reason it just feels alot more powerful.
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First to play, last to stay. MN Militia. SETUP Tippmann C98 12" All American - Opsgear M4 Foregrip - M4 Mag Kit - Solid Stock |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 6:50pm
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alright, thanks alot for you help guys, its realy helpful ------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: G36 Monkey
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 7:06pm
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A-5 will officially make you bun nuh nuh nuh nah, bad to the bone....lol Now i rattle this off alot to people and some people in here may have heard me say this. The gun doesn't make the player, the player makes the gun. You could be the best playe rin the world and be using a brass eagle sting ray and still wipe out a bunch of newer players with dm5s. So just remember that, if your good no matter what gun you have you will do well, granted with better guns you will do better. Hope i was of any help, and you asked what scenario was. Scenario games can go on for a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, long time or a really short time. They are point based where it doesnt matter about eliminations as much as how well you fit with the scenario. Like everyone is pretty much assigned a character and given a story line and you have to remember whos who or what not. You decide if it would be best to kill somebody or take them hostage, and a bunch of fun stuff like that, ive never played scenario yet because i dont have a scenario gun yet, but in april my friends and i are gonna try a bunch out (hopefully, if the 1 keeps playing and doesnt completely let runescape (online game) take over his life like hes been doing) ------------- Tippmann A-5 Psycho Ballistics Double Trigger A-5 E-Grip (tweaked and resoldered) Lapco Bigshot 12 inch Barrel Remote (Brand unknown) Soon to come: G36c Scenario kit Nitrogen |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 7:34pm
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hahah runescape, what a crazy gae, man scenario sound s wicked, but wquestion, y do u have to have different guns for a scenario game?? ------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: G36 Monkey
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 7:51pm
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a scenario gun is a gun with a scenario kit if that makes sense. A scenario kit is what i have in my avatar, is a g36c kit. Some scenario games require you to have certain types of scenario that would fall under spec ops or assault most likely. Some may require you to be like guns from a certain time like ak-47s or something. I dont need a different gun because many kits are offered for the a-5 and 98 both, i like to use opsgear to look, i have known about them for a while and they are legit. I havent ordered from them yet but they sound really cool. and about runescape i quit because it started to get boring lol, and i was wasting my money on membership. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Psycho Ballistics Double Trigger A-5 E-Grip (tweaked and resoldered) Lapco Bigshot 12 inch Barrel Remote (Brand unknown) Soon to come: G36c Scenario kit Nitrogen |
Posted By: fpoba
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 9:15pm
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My A-5 is awesome for scenario and its a fun gun to own ------------- A-5 Owner |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 11:59am
yea, seee im ubsesed with guns, so thats one thing y i wanted the a-5, cause u can mod it up like crazy, and it already looks like the Heckler and Koch MP5K if u take the barrel off mind you, but its sweet, so when i can go paintballing, i ccan just run around my yard with it  so yea, alright i just figured out what scenario is, yea, and i was looking at csome of the guns u can get, its pretty crazy, and it loks really fun!! so yea, if i ever ind agame here thats scenario, im sosoooo trying it, thanks alot guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: G36 Monkey
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 3:33pm
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not a problem. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Psycho Ballistics Double Trigger A-5 E-Grip (tweaked and resoldered) Lapco Bigshot 12 inch Barrel Remote (Brand unknown) Soon to come: G36c Scenario kit Nitrogen |
Posted By: Tippmann98mike
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 3:59pm
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y would u get an a-5 when the only advantages it has over the 98c is
the cyclone and the e-grip. because u can buy a cyclone for the
98custom now and i think the e grip is coming out soon. id say get the
98c it will make u happy. and i play woods to i have a flatline on
mine, the a5 is such a gas hog with the cyclone.
------------- Tippmann 98 custom flatline 12v revvy w/ x board java diamond grips |
Posted By: Tippmann98mike
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 4:03pm
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o ya and i more thing, runscape blows, go diablo 2
------------- Tippmann 98 custom flatline 12v revvy w/ x board java diamond grips |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 4:11pm
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ahahah well heres y i want the a-5, cause u have to like special order it from somewhere right, i lkive in canada so im not gonna get it forllike another few years, and im not that good with installing those kind of things, so ii decided to get that, and like i dont mind the gravity feed, but just all these stories of how the chop all the balls make me worry, and gor the c02 part, im getting a 20 oz tank so i dont really mind, and ill prolly carry a few little like 5 zoz c02s with me, like not to dis you or anything, but thats my way of thinking, but thatnks alot for the help, o yea, and the shop im going ot buy my gun at has none in stock at the moment, and its like the cheapest place, so yeabut im still gonna think about it, but im going into high school and i dont want to wait for like 2 years for th cyclone feed to come out cause im having a paintballing unit at my school, ------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: Analog666
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 10:33pm
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so yea, its alot easier to get the a-5 with al l the mods i want instead of special ordering the ones for the 98 custom
------------- Guns dont kill people, well i guess they do but, umm, yea i dont knwo where im going with this so im gonna stop |
Posted By: Shrec
Date Posted: 31 December 2005 at 10:19pm
| I say go with the A-5. No need for an auto-hopper or anything like that, and it's very fast for a Tippmann if you ask me. The 98 is just too common around my place, and I wanted something not many people had. |
Posted By: monty_sniper
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 1:12pm
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How does the A-5 really stack up against the Model 98 Custom? By Kreeper-X Updated 04-04-2003 Overall: 9 out of 10 I've discovered, since the release of Tippmanns' latest marker, that there are a lot of misconceptions about the A-5. One of the first things people said, before ever even seeing one in person was that the Cyclone feeder was far too large and made for a "huge" target on the right hand side of the marker. As you will read later on in this article, that's not true at all. The prevailing "wisdom" among those who don't own the A-5 is that it's nothing more than a "rehash of the Model 98 Custom with a fancy hopper" and that there are few, if any, improvements to the overall performance of what's looked at by many in the paintball community as "just another Tippmann blow back semi." It is for these people that I write this article. The Similarities Looking strictly at the design of the marker, the A-5 is what Tippmann has perfected and does best, an open-bolt blow-back semi-automatic paintball marker utilizing Tippmanns' extremely versatile CVX valve. The design is simple and extremely durable, so much so that Tippmann has changed very little in the valve and bolt system design since the 68 Carbine was released some time ago. Like all modern Tippmann markers, the A-5 utilizes a rear bolt that is driven forward by a drive spring and returned to the ready position by blow-back gasses. The front bolt which opens and closes the breech and releases gas into the barrel is connected to the rear bolt by a linkage arm. As the rear bolt comes forward to strike the valve pin and release the gas, the front bolt forces the paintball into the breech and seals off the barrel before releasing a burst of gas into the barrel, launching the paintball. The A-5 also uses Tippmanns' old velocity adjustment screw which works not by changing the gas output of the valve, but creating turbulence in the power tube, slowing the air down. This system wastes some gas and a good Rear Velocity Adjuster will fix this. The Look Once you get past the basic operation of the A-5, the similarities with the Model 98 begin to end the differences become apparent. The very first thing that anyone notices about the new Tippmann A-5 is the look of the marker. The M98 and M98c really didn't look all that great in my opinion but they were far from ugly (except those darned gills on the M98). The A-5 has a decidedly "real world" look to it without a hopper and tank on it, resembling an H&K MP5 right down the foregrip, cocking knob and trigger grip frame. Players need not worry about being arrested though, as the A-5 with the Cyclone and a hopper and a tank looks less like a real firearm and more like a paintball marker. Also noticeable is the MP5 style trigger grip frame which is made primarily for right handed players. Some people prefer 45 style grips so Tippmann made the grip frame removable to accommodate 45 grips or aftermarket Lefty grip frames. J&J performance is working on an aluminum 45 style grip, and Tippmann has recently released an electronic sear tripping E-Grip. The stock A-5 grip frame is made of a plastic polymer to reduce weight, but it's not just cheap plastic, it's ballistics quality stuff and can take a serious amount of abuse. In fact, a lot of the A-5 is "plastic" instead of aluminum both because of cost and weight. The grip frame and foregrip as well as the main cyclone body and cocking knob are plastic. This reduces weight, so it's not a bad thing, though some people are scared to death of plastic. Tippmann made this marker to last and you need not worry, it's not a Brass Eagle marker after all, it's a Tippmann Marker and we all know how Tippmann stand behind the products they make. The overall size of the A-5 is a little longer than the M98c and a bit heaver, but this is because the M98c is weighed without a revy hopper and the A-5 has the Cyclone built in. However, due to the low profile and the fact that the hopper and Cyclone feeder fit so close to the marker, the A-5 has a better overall balance to it than the M98c. The Cyclone Feed System The second thing that they notice is the Cyclone Feed System, which looks like about half of a soda can with a five arm "star" agitator inside it. The Cyclone Feed System resembles the Star Feed System on the old Tippmann Factory F/A markers from the mid nineties. In fact the Cyclone is the next generation of the same feed system. The Factory F/A was a fully mechanical Full-Auto paintball marker that, for the most part, wasn't allowed on most fields or in tourneys, and Tippmann needed a reliable and fast feed system to keep up with the F/A, and they came up with the Star Feed system. The Star Feed system came only on the Tippmann Factory F/A markers and used spring tension to load paintballs into the breech each time the bolt opened when a shot was fired. The paintballs rest in the gap of the star arm and as the bolt opens, the feeder turns one stepand loads a paintball into the breech. The main problems were that the F/A had some timing issues with the delay sears and shocks so the marker could fall out of time and become a blender and everytime you filled the hopper, you had to turn a crank on the bottom of the Star Feed that wound the pring so the marker could fire another 150 rounds before doing it all over again. These problems were solved by Tippmann by linking the Star Feed to a gas powered piston and thus the Cyclone Feed System was born. The cyclone Feed System works by directing a small portion of the excess blowback gas released by the CVX valve into a piston which forces the cyclone to turn one step. So each time you pull the trigger a paintball is force fed into the chamber and ready for firing again. No matter how fast you shoot, the cyclone loads the next ball just as fast. A common misconception about the Cyclone is that it sucks up extra gas, this is not true, the Cyclone requires a small amount of gas that is normally wasted in the normal operation of a Tippmann blow back. The Cyclone main body is connected to the marker by a single bolt on the left and two guide pins on the right side and connected to the CVX valve via a valve tap and banjo fitting. There is also a cylinder that houses both the air piston that works the Cyclone and a manual feed knob that you use to force the first paintball into the breach at the beginning of a game. As paintballs fall into the main feed body, they fall into one of five "star slots" that effectively pre-load the next five shots and keeps them in stand-bye to be fired, just like a gumball machine. As the trigger is pulled, the cyclone advances the "star" one step, forcing the next paintball into the chamber. The Cyclone acts as a force-feed system, not just an agitating hopper and was factory tested to 16bps and it can handle every bit of that and then some, though you will have to get the Tippmann Reactive Trigger Kit or E-Grip as well as a good flowing High Pressure Air (HPA) tank to realize that potential. To see the A-5 RT w/HPA in action, CLICK HERE and then download the video. Some of the earlier Cyclone Feed Systems could malfunction when used with HPA or in markers that cycled a ton of paint on a consistant basis, so Tippmann released a Cyclone Upgrade that fixes these problems and will install it free of charge if you send the marker to them or they'll send you the parts if you feel secure enough to install them yourself. The hopper for the A-5 is a little different looking and has an odd flat face, but it functions just as well as any other hopper. There were reports of Early A-5s having hopper that would break if they took a direct hit from a paintball. These hoppers will be replaced by Tippmann for free if you do break one, and Tippmann has replaced the old plastic hopper with a stronger hopper made with thicker plastic on all new A-5s leaving the factory. Now a lot of people have been yelling about the size of the cyclone system and how much larger it is that a "normal" hopper such as a Revolution or Evolution. But the facts are that the hopper has a lower profile and is tighter to the marker than any other marker on the market. The Hopper sits a full two inches lower on the A-5 than on a Model 98 with a Revolution on it. the hopper itself is smaller than a revy, only holding slightly more than 160 rounds, but the size difference is really telling. Check out the Cyclone Size Review, also on this reviews page, to see the pictures for yourself. The Bolt System and Rate of Fire At first glance, the A-5 seems to utilize the same bolt system as the M98 and M98c but that is far from the truth, A quick look at the rear bolt reveals that it's hollowed out and isn't the same as the rear bolt on the m98. The Rear bolt is just as strong as the m98 bolt, but it's slightly heavier. This heavier bolt is intended to stop the run-away trigger that the M98 had with the RT installed, but the rate of fire isn't effected. IN fact the A-5 can fire faster than the m98 because of the trigger system and the stream-lined design. The recoil is only slightly heavier than that of the M98c and is barely noticeable for those used to non-electronic markers, however, the rate of fire is radically different. Tippmann Factory Tested the M98 to 9bps and when they released the 98C, they addressed the complaints of M98 owners about how difficult it was to upgrade the marker and tweaked 11bps out of the 98C. With the A-5, the designers went all out and came up with a marker that can actually fling 15bps mechanically. They lightened the trigger pull and reduced the play in the A-5 trigger and that, combined with the re-designed bolt system, boosted the rate of fire into "high-end" territory. Now, the average human finger can't pull the trigger 9 times a second, let alone 15, but the potential is there and can be fully recognized with an RT or E-Grip and other upgrades. Field Stripping the A-5 One of the biggest gripes everyone had with the M98 and 98C series markers was how hard it was to strip down and clean. Even the precursor of the M98, the Pro Series markers, were easier to field strip and clean. The M98 cleaning process was a comlicated and tedious process, involving springs that liked to fly off in different directions and pins that liked to fall out. The Pro Series markers had a rear sight that held the linkage arm down on both the front and rear bolt. You simply had to remove the rear sight, pop the linkage arm out, take the barrel off and remove the end cap and the rear bolt would come out and the front bolt would come out and you would clean the marker out. The A-5 is like a mix of the two concepts, allowing you to strip the marker down in less than 60 seconds. Standard cleaning and maintenance can be done by turning the velocity screw all the way in and then pulling out four quick-pull pins, removing the grip and ASA adapter and pulling the entire valve system out of the marker. Though the A-5 is still a clam-shell design like the M98 and 98C, it can be stripped down and cleaned without completely disassembling the marker. Everything in the A-5 is very modular in design. This becomes evident when fully disassembling the marker. We find that the entire trigger and sear system is a single self-contained part. No more springs flying everywhere when you strip the marker like there was with the M98 and 98C. The one-piece trigger assembly can be broken down easily for installation of a double-trigger or for maintenance sake. You'll also notice that the A-5 utilizes a completely enclosed bolt system, meaning that there are no openings to the outside anywhere on this marker except the barrel and the breech. This improves on the design of all previous Tippmann markers which have a big hole in the rear-bolt area that allowed paint and dirt and other outside contaminants into the bolt system and that could result in wear and malfunction. The A-5 is completely closed off to the outside, making it harder for anything to get inside causing problems. Upgrade Options Out of the box, the A-5 features more upgrade options for the player than any previous Tippmann marker. Built into the valve system is a vertical Tombstone adapter which will accept any regulator or expansion chamber with standard threads. This eliminates the need to upgrade the M98 and 98C to accomplish the same thing. The A-5 also features a completely removable grip frame so switching to the E-grip of new J&J Performance 45 Style Grip frame is easy as pulling two pins and changing the bottomline ASA out. The fore-grip can be moved about an inch forward or back or can be completely replaced with any number of aftermarket front grips, including an adapter by Lapco that allows you to mount the front grip at a 90 degree angle similar to the old British Sten Guns or, in paintball, the old SMG-60 and SMG-68s that Tippmann first made back at the very beginning. The front grip can also be completely removed if you so desire, quite unlike the foregrip on the M98 and M98c which is a part of the receiver body. The ASA can be removed altogether and you can run vertical if you desire or you can get the Lapco universal adapter and use ANY drop forward you want. Also worth mentioning is that the barrel threads of the A-5 are removable and exchangeable. The A-5 is shipped with a Pro-Carb barrel thread adapter which accepts almost all Pro-series barrels and well as most F-4 barrels, but if you want, you can get a series of aftermarket adapters that allow you to use spyder, m98 and other style barrels on your A-5. Overall, the A-5 was built to be even easier to upgrade than the 98C which was released primarily due to demand for a easier-to-upgrade Tippmann marker than the M98. The kits that were supposedly "drop in" for the M98 and 98C are truly drop in kits for the A-5. The RT drops into the A-5 in less than 15 minutes if you are familiar with the marker and requires very little alteration to the grip in the removing of a single tab. The E-Grip can be installed in less than a minute. The A-5 Flatline comes as a one piece modular barrel system which twists on with a quarter turn and aligns itself to the marker easier than the old style M98 or 98C Flatline. You can do just about anything to the A-5 that you can do to an M98 or 98C unless the product hasn't been released yet. The upgrades are coming out all the time so just be patient and you'll have everything you could possibly want to add to your A-5 Conclusion In conclusion, the A-5 is the next evolution in the Tippmann line of markers. It corrects the majority of complaints players had with the M98 and 98C series markers, improves on the design and performance, and and does this without sacrificing any of the Tippmann reputation for building the most reliable and durable markers on the planet. If you do find that you have a problem, Tippmann has the best customer service on the planet and you can count on them to solve it for you, often free of charge and often for the life of the marker. In fact, Take a SMG-60 to a Tippmann Trailer at a big game than they'll do everything that they can to make sure it works like new for you. The A-5 out performs the M98c in every way and holds it's own against markers twice it's price. Oh yes, the price. People are always griping about the price. Well, since it's release, the A-5 has gone from $350+ down to $225 for a stock A-5. They argue that the "A-5 is basically an M98" and "any M98 can be modified to function just like an A-5." Let's face facts here. If you buy a Model 98 Custom ($125), a vertical adapter ($25), 12 volt Evo2 hopper ($85), a quick strip thumb screw set ($15), and a FullBoar rear cocking knob ($30), you're going to have spent $280+ and guess what, you still have the same bolt system and are still only going to get 9 to 11bps without further upgrades. You might as well save the extra $30 and get an A-5 which not only looks better, but also performs better and is easier to maintain. And even A-5s with RTs are selling for around $269 now, so the price is coming down. Remember, everything new is more expensive than it should be and once they age a little the price drop inline. The A-5 is a great High-mid-level marker that can grow with you as you grow as a player. It can hang with the "big dogs" out of the box, but with a little work, you can put together a truly awesome marker. I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions about the A-5. ------------- 98% of ion owners think ions are better than any high end gun. If you would like to bonus ball these idiots put this in your sig. Proud owner of 3 guns and counting. |
Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 4:09pm
| IF YOUR GANNA GET THE MODEL 98 MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO FOR THE CUSTOM PRO IT COMES WITH THE DROP FORWARD , DOUBLE TRIGGER AND A GOOD 11''INCH BARREL. |
Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 9:26pm
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wha monty sniper said should clear up everything! ------------- __||__ [ }------ =() =() //' || R THOSE MY BALLS ON UR FACE |
Posted By: Moneytofoldup
Date Posted: 05 January 2006 at 1:26am
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get the A-5 it is a awsome gun i would recomend it over any gun any where not just over the 98 custom. |