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Topic: Ya, don’t know what to call it.
Posted By: plasoccri
Subject: Ya, don’t know what to call it.
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:01am

So my mom is Jehovahs Whitness and I collect 12" military action figs. Conflict right their but it works out fine, she no longer trys to convert me. I happened to be doing some invintory and stepped out when in come 2 of her friends who are also Jehovahs Whitness and some what of religious snobs. So they come in and right in front of them is the dining room table, looking like a miniturized armory with M16's, Ak 47's, Pistols, sniper rifles, explosives, heavey machine guns... whatever, its their, I even had my AH-6 attack copter out. The look on their faces, you would have thought their was a dead body on that table! They had a few words with my mom (quietly in the other room) and left. My mom wont say what they told her but I know it has something to do with my little gun show in the dining room. It seemed they were offended. I think next time I'll be cleaning my 1:1 scale guns out. I love pissing off overly religious people, ya know, the ones that think they are better than you based on their religion vs yours. I should tell them I worship the devel too... Maybe thats is to much for now, save it for another day.



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Posted By: Geoduck
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:03am
Ha ha, you play with toys.

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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:08am
My best friends' father is a Jehova. I love reading the propoganda made for teenagers that his father gives him. He's got like a pile of magazines made for teens put out by the Jahovees. I like their stance on masterbation. Brings a smile to my face.


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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:14am
Ya, I like reading all the magazines and stuff too, some stuff is really good actually, I've used some articles on reports before, and whats so great, is that they don't credit anything so the works sited is easy to do.

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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:16am
Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

My best friends' father is a Jehova. I love reading the propoganda made for teenagers that his father gives him. He's got like a pile of magazines made for teens put out by the Jahovees. I like their stance on masterbation. Brings a smile to my face.


do tell, do tell

is it "that is concentrated evil coming out of you"?


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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:18am
I too enjoy reading their propaganda, and how their beliefs do a complete 360 about every 10 years or so.

And forbidding blood transfusion is about as bad as Shakers forbidding intercourse/procreation, married or not (no joke.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:32am
Yeah. I should got right in there faces. I dont like religous groups like that, shakers, jehovas witnesses, people that just blatenly disreguard the bible like these groups. I love it.

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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:39am

i think these groups are way to drastic and cult like...

anyways toys are awesome dude... G.I.Joe The Real American Hero!



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Posted By: AragornZ15
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 3:09am

wow... i couldnt imagine what that would be like, ya know having a parent whos going around all day like an in-ur-face telemarketer, but on the other hand i woulda had my guns out on the table to show off in front of her lol

dude if her friends wana be weird like that.. next time they come over start shooting some targets in the backyard or something hehe"



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 3:10am
Be like. "MOM! I joined the ARMY! Im going to drop Napalm for a living! Im so happy!"

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Posted By: AragornZ15
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 3:12am

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Be like. "MOM! I joined the ARMY! Im going to drop Napalm for a living! Im so happy!"

yeah lmao tell em your going to drop 1000 lb bombs on ppl



Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 9:16am
haha that's great. i hate it when my friends try to push god on me, i'm atheist and they refuse to accept me like that.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:05am
Originally posted by TruePaintballer TruePaintballer wrote:

i think these groups are way to drastic and cult like...

anyways toys are awesome dude... G.I.Joe The Real American Hero!

Tecnically, all religions are cults, but its really not so bad, and they don't dissregard the bible, trust me, they really, really don't; their practices are just different, other than no holidays, they are as christan as Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, ect. (hard to beleive but they are).

But My mom doesn't try and push it on me anymore, I think I made it clear to her that I was not a JW when I bought my paint Ball gun and started collecting guns and knives.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:10am
Yeah... They aren't christian. They may think they are, but they arent.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:21am

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yeah... They aren't christian. They may think they are, but they arent.

I was going to post some little remark, prove you wrong, but I don't want to start an argument over wheather or not they are or are not Christian. I hear that arguement too often, normally from people who are so extream about their little group its more anoying and "cult like" than the JW's. And they are often very ignorant of their beleifes too. Its kind of funny really. Not saying your some extream person like that, I don't know, can't make that jugement. 

My mom said some of her friends are comming over today, maybe I'l have a chance to test fire a rifle or two. Maybe spread army posters on the table and fill out some recruter forms, just for kicks.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:27am
I work in a church. They arent recognized by the catholic church. Im just glad i live in a secured building so they cant ring my door bell. I see them around DC constantly riding their bikes and such. When they cut through traffic it makes me want to open my door.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:46am

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

I work in a church. They arent recognized by the catholic church. Im just glad i live in a secured building so they cant ring my door bell. I see them around DC constantly riding their bikes and such. When they cut through traffic it makes me want to open my door.

Haha! Ok, Sorry but Catholic Chuch is messed up. Second, Mormons do the same thing, and are bigger pests about it. Do they travel on their bikes in groops of 2? Probably Mormon, JW are in like packs (its scarry) We once had 2 mormons stand on our doorstep for 5 minutes telling us through the door that we need to listen to them. They left when I got the dog. I wanted to send the dog out after them, but held back. I guess they came by a couple of days later and did the same thing so my dad pulled out his badge and told them if they didn't leave he'd arrest them for criminal truspassing. Haven't seen them at our house since. 



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:51am
Yeah, either way they arent Christian. I hate it when religious groups morman or otherwize come to my doorway. When i lived in alexandria i used to have them little creeps come around all the time. I turned the hose on them.

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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 1:18pm
we had JW's come to my house to try and talk.  My mom talked to them, but when she told me to come in the room and talk about jesus i just walked away and turned up my WW2 game really loud. 


Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 8:33pm

Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

we had JW's come to my house to try and talk.  My mom talked to them, but when she told me to come in the room and talk about jesus i just walked away and turned up my WW2 game really loud. 

I do the same often, I'll just sith their and trow grenades everywhere and shoot everything, but I don't think they notice all that much.

 



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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 8:46pm
How old are you plasoccri?

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 3:31am
19, whats it matter?

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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 12:06pm
some JW came to my house like umm a week ago, and my dad 9 (a cop) just started talking Jesus with them, considering im a christian, and my whole family is.....when my dad was done talking with them, he told me that they really know there bible.....so ya there pretty much smart with it......but its more of a cult like mormonism.....well ya

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yeah. I should got right in there faces. I dont like religous groups like that, shakers, jehovas witnesses, people that just blatenly disreguard the bible like these groups. I love it.


There are no shakers....
 

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Posted By: paintmagnet420
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 1:03pm
I had a JW come by my house one time at eight AM on a saturday. My dad's x army, he answered the door with his combat knife in his hand. *edited* never bothered us again!


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:23pm

Wait Dbibeau, how are JW's not Christians?

If you belive that Jesus Christ died and washed away the sins of humanity, you = Christian.

I fail to see how Jehovahs Witneses, despite there wackyness, are not christians...



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yeah. I should got right in there faces. I dont like
religous groups like that, shakers, jehovas witnesses, people that just
blatenly disreguard the bible like these groups. I love it.


There are no shakers....


Wrong again. Go to Maine and take a look around, there are still shaker parishes that still practise. And whale, that isnt the only deffinition. They arent christians.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:31pm

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:



And whale, that isnt the only deffinition. They arent christians.

Yeah they are.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:44pm
Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
             the Almighty, maker of heaven and
             earth of all that is seen and unseen.
             We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
             the only Son of God, eternally begotten
             of the Father, God from God, Light
             from Light, true God from true God,
             begotten, not made, one in Being
             with the Father. Through him all things
             were made. For us men and our
             salvation he came down from heaven:
             by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
             born of the Virgin Mary, and became
             man. For our sake he was crucified
             under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
             and was buried. On the third day he
             rose again in fulfillment of the
             Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
             and is seated at the right hand of the
             Father. He will come again to judge
             the living and the dead, and his
             kingdom will have no end. We
             believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
             the giver of life, who proceeds from
             the Father and the Son. With the
             Father and the Son he is worshipped
             and glorified. He has spoken through
             the Prophets. We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church. We
             acknowledge one baptism for the
             forgiveness of sins. We look for the
             resurrection of the dead, and the life
             of the world to come.

                Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:49pm

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
             the Almighty, maker of heaven and
             earth of all that is seen and unseen.
             We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
             the only Son of God, eternally begotten
             of the Father, God from God, Light
             from Light, true God from true God,
             begotten, not made, one in Being
             with the Father. Through him all things
             were made. For us men and our
             salvation he came down from heaven:
             by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
             born of the Virgin Mary, and became
             man. For our sake he was crucified
             under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
             and was buried. On the third day he
             rose again in fulfillment of the
             Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
             and is seated at the right hand of the
             Father. He will come again to judge
             the living and the dead, and his
             kingdom will have no end. We
             believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
             the giver of life, who proceeds from
             the Father and the Son. With the
             Father and the Son he is worshipped
             and glorified. He has spoken through
             the Prophets. We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church. We
             acknowledge one baptism for the
             forgiveness of sins. We look for the
             resurrection of the dead, and the life
             of the world to come.

                Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.

Wrong.

Ok, the Catholic church doesnt recognize them. Since when does the Catholic church get to decide whos Christian or not? Thats right, they dont. Ever since good ol' Luther got to posting papers on doors, the Catholic Church no longer remained the center of the Christian world.

Any group that belives that Jesus Christ died for the sins of Humanity are christians no matter what you or Catholic dogma states.

"We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church."

 

Oh, and I highly doubt Lutherns say that prayer.

Now lets try not making things up, shall we?



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:51pm
Lutherans say that prayer. If you want i can pull out my Lutheran Catecism and scan it for you. That line is part of the prayer. They do not have Christian beliefs.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:54pm

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Lutherans say that prayer. If you want i can pull out my Lutheran Catecism and scan it for you. That line is part of the prayer. They do not have Christian beliefs.

Yeah, Belive in Jesus saving your sins = Christian.

Not some human kept dogma.



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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 4:55pm
JW's believe Jesus was a rabbi and nothing more.

They've believed that since around the turn of the century.


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 5:00pm

Originally posted by Homer J Homer J wrote:

JW's believe Jesus was a rabbi and nothing more.

They've believed that since around the turn of the century.

...No?

You are very wrong...



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 5:36pm
•       Belief in Deity
There is one God Almighty--a Spirit Being with a body but not a human body. There is one God and no Trinity.

•      Incarnations
Christ is Lord and Savior, but not God (Jehovah) incarnate, not a God-man but inferior to God, not part of a Godhead. He was a created spirit being, God's only begotten son, sent to Earth as a perfect human. His sacrifice became the "ransom" price to redeem mankind from sin and death. God created all in heaven and on Earth through Christ, the "master worker," God's servant. After Christ's resurrection by God, he was "exalted" to a level higher than angel.

•      Origin of Universe and Life
God created the heavens and earth in six days, but each "day" is equal to thousands of years. God created and controls all processes and events.

•      After Death
No soul remains after death. Soon, Jesus Christ will return to resurrect the dead, restoring soul and body. Those judged righteous will be given everlasting life on a paradise earth. Those judged unrighteous will not be tormented, but will die and cease to exist.

•      Why Evil?
The original sin caused humans to inherit death and sin. Satan and his demons pervade the earth as spirits tempting all to sin, which God allows as a test of faith in Him.

•      Salvation
You must show faith in God and in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Adhere to the practices, requirements, commandments, laws, and sacraments of the faith. "Witnessing" and active sharing of their faith with others is fundamental. Avoid behaviors that God dislikes, including celebration of birthdays and holidays originating from false religions.

•      Undeserved Suffering
Much suffering is caused by the inheritance of mortality from Adam and Eve, which includes vulnerability to illness and disease. Also, those who choose to succumb to Satan's temptations may suffer self-inflicted damage to their health. Satan and his demons cause great misery. God has allowed the situation to continue so that mankind can discover that God's rule is better than independent human-rule. He has allowed Satan to cause suffering to challenge Satan's claim that God's creation, humans, would turn from and curse God under pressure.

•      Contemporary Issues
Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is a serious sin. Gender roles are defined: Men are the head of the household and women are loving caretakers who assist the husband in teaching the children. Divorce is permitted under certain circumstances, but Jehovah hates remarriage unless the divorce occurred as a result of adultery. Service in the armed forces or any form of allegiance to government is prohibited; one must show allegiance only to the Kingdom of Christ. Blood transfusions, along with ingesting blood, are considered wrong, as God said the soul is in the blood. Bone marrow transplants are left to the individual conscience. (Note: all other forms of medical treatment are acceptable.)


Yeah, upon reading more about it. They are heritics as well. And i really dont care what they or anyone else says about the matter.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witness - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witness

It really doesn't matter what they call themselves.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 6:29pm

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
             the Almighty, maker of heaven and
             earth of all that is seen and unseen.
             We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
             the only Son of God, eternally begotten
             of the Father, God from God, Light
             from Light, true God from true God,
             begotten, not made, one in Being
             with the Father. Through him all things
             were made. For us men and our
             salvation he came down from heaven:
             by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
             born of the Virgin Mary, and became
             man. For our sake he was crucified
             under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
             and was buried. On the third day he
             rose again in fulfillment of the
             Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
             and is seated at the right hand of the
             Father. He will come again to judge
             the living and the dead, and his
             kingdom will have no end. We
             believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
             the giver of life, who proceeds from
             the Father and the Son. With the
             Father and the Son he is worshipped
             and glorified. He has spoken through
             the Prophets. We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church. We
             acknowledge one baptism for the
             forgiveness of sins. We look for the
             resurrection of the dead, and the life
             of the world to come.

                Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.

I live with one, I've gone to many meetings (most if not all against my will) and holy cow! Thats the beleife system, God is father to Jesus Christ, born to the Vergin Mary, he died for our sins... And I've been to Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, and Presbitarian (sp) churches many a time as well, and the Catholic Church is the only place I have ever heard that prayer.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 6:37pm
That prayer is said in Lutheran churches. You are getting hung up on the phrase "Catholic and Apostolic"

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 6:38pm
I'm sorry but I have never heard that prayer in a Lutheran Church. It may be recited where you live but not where I am. I'll listen a little more cloesly next time but I'm positive its not said.

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Posted By: BuffaloSolda1
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by AragornZ15 AragornZ15 wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Be like. "MOM! I joined the ARMY! Im going to drop Napalm for a living! Im so happy!"


yeah lmao tell em your going to drop 1000 lb bombs on ppl



Then drop some F-Bombs.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by plasoccri plasoccri wrote:

I'm sorry but I have never heard that prayer in a Lutheran Church. It may be recited where you live but not where I am. I'll listen a little more cloesly next time but I'm positive its not said.


It could be Church Structure. Lutheran churches in Virginia are different. There are two kinds, High Church and Low church. Generaly speaking the closer to Pennsylvania you are. The higher church you are. High Church refers to adhering to tradition more. But there are churches now, the Low Lutheran Churches, some of them want to merge with the Apiscaple Churches.

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Posted By: mysteriousone
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 7:23pm
i live on a fairly large peice of land. so one day some jw's stop by to talk and try to convert us. so my turkey decoys just magically appear in the field.a few minutes later they run outside screaming saying "What are you doing?!?" i asked them if they wanted to take a shot.pretty muych i haven't seen them since.

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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
             the Almighty, maker of heaven and
             earth of all that is seen and unseen.
             We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
             the only Son of God, eternally begotten
             of the Father, God from God, Light
             from Light, true God from true God,
             begotten, not made, one in Being
             with the Father. Through him all things
             were made. For us men and our
             salvation he came down from heaven:
             by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
             born of the Virgin Mary, and became
             man. For our sake he was crucified
             under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
             and was buried. On the third day he
             rose again in fulfillment of the
             Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
             and is seated at the right hand of the
             Father. He will come again to judge
             the living and the dead, and his
             kingdom will have no end. We
             believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
             the giver of life, who proceeds from
             the Father and the Son. With the
             Father and the Son he is worshipped
             and glorified. He has spoken through
             the Prophets. We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church. We
             acknowledge one baptism for the
             forgiveness of sins. We look for the
             resurrection of the dead, and the life
             of the world to come.

                Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.


Not every Christian church says that prayer. I go to a Christian church and we don't say that prayer. No where in the Bible does it even use that prayer. I could see someone mistakingly saying the model prayer in church. Even thought it doesn't even say to repeat that exact prayer I could see where someone would make that mistake. But the prayer you said has to be said actually doesn't. I don't care what some old guy with a funny hat says.


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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:03pm
I must agree with DB that the JW's aren't Christians. No Christian church will say they are either. I don't believe mormons are either. I have an interesting story. We are Catholic (except my Protestant dad), but anyway, the JW's came to my grandmas house who is a Catholic Religious maniac (in a good way). Now the JW's never come alone. It's normally a younger person and an old spinster who has been a JW for a long time. So she invited them inside and basically almost converted the younger one into a Catholic, however, before she could totally get her the old spinster lady pretty much dragged her (the young JW) out of the house. It was funny. My dad is pretty much a religious scholar and he always gets the JW's when they come over. He starts asking them questions they can't answer and then they get all get mad and leave. Watching it was a blast.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want,
but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church.
They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final.
Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
               the Almighty, maker of heaven and
               earth of all that is seen and unseen.
               We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
               the only Son of God, eternally begotten
               of the Father, God from God, Light
               from Light, true God from true God,
               begotten, not made, one in Being
               with the Father. Through him all things
               were made. For us men and our
               salvation he came down from heaven:
               by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
               born of the Virgin Mary, and became
               man. For our sake he was crucified
               under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
               and was buried. On the third day he
               rose again in fulfillment of the
               Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
               and is seated at the right hand of the
               Father. He will come again to judge
               the living and the dead, and his
               kingdom will have no end. We
               believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
               the giver of life, who proceeds from
               the Father and the Son. With the
               Father and the Son he is worshipped
               and glorified. He has spoken through
               the Prophets. We believe in one holy
               catholic and apostolic Church. We
               acknowledge one baptism for the
               forgiveness of sins. We look for the
               resurrection of the dead, and the life
               of the world to come.

                   Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said
in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say
this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs
that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If
anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like
mormonism.


Not every Christian church says that prayer. I go to a Christian church
and we don't say that prayer. No where in the Bible does it even use
that prayer. I could see someone mistakingly saying the model prayer in
church. Even thought it doesn't even say to repeat that exact prayer I
could see where someone would make that mistake. But the prayer you
said has to be said actually doesn't. I don't care what some old guy
with a funny hat says.


No its said in many many churches. Protestant and Catholic alike. Listen for the Nicine creed. Chances are your church says it every sunday.

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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

•       Belief in Deity
There is one God Almighty--a Spirit Being with a body but not a human body. There is one God and no Trinity.
Actually there is a trinity. I'm pretty sure it mentions it somewhere in the bible but I don't remember where I'll look more into it. I do know though that whenever someone is baptised they say "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" but that doesn't really prove anything so I will look more into this.
•      Incarnations
Christ is Lord and Savior, but not God (Jehovah) incarnate, not a God-man but inferior to God, not part of a Godhead. He was a created spirit being, God's only begotten son, sent to Earth as a perfect human. His sacrifice became the "ransom" price to redeem mankind from sin and death. God created all in heaven and on Earth through Christ, the "master worker," God's servant. After Christ's resurrection by God, he was "exalted" to a level higher than angel.
Jesus was always higher than the angels. Jesus is God just in the human form.
•      Origin of Universe and Life
God created the heavens and earth in six days, but each "day" is equal to thousands of years. God created and controls all processes and events.
Not sure about the days being thousands of years long as the Bible never says this but it would make since with the whole dating thing and everything being old. God did create things with age though so they could have really been days and not years.
•      After Death
No soul remains after death. Soon, Jesus Christ will return to resurrect the dead, restoring soul and body. Those judged righteous will be given everlasting life on a paradise earth. Those judged unrighteous will not be tormented, but will die and cease to exist.
No there are souls after death. When Jesus returns the dead will rise first and then the living will go 2nd. All will be judged and all will confess that Jesus is lord. And yes there are souls(spirits)or the Bible wouldn't mention them.
•      Why Evil?
The original sin caused humans to inherit death and sin. Satan and his demons pervade the earth as spirits tempting all to sin, which God allows as a test of faith in Him.
Actually Satan doesn't neccesarrily tempt us. Man is tempted when he is lured by his own desires.
•      Salvation
You must show faith in God and in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Adhere to the practices, requirements, commandments, laws, and sacraments of the faith. "Witnessing" and active sharing of their faith with others is fundamental. Avoid behaviors that God dislikes, including celebration of birthdays and holidays originating from false religions.
What? God never said you couldn't celebrate birthdays. I don't know where yall get all of this stuff from that's not in the Bible but anyway. Yes you have to have faith but you also must be baptised. And then remain faithful unto death.
•      Undeserved Suffering
Much suffering is caused by the inheritance of mortality from Adam and Eve, which includes vulnerability to illness and disease. Also, those who choose to succumb to Satan's temptations may suffer self-inflicted damage to their health. Satan and his demons cause great misery. God has allowed the situation to continue so that mankind can discover that God's rule is better than independent human-rule. He has allowed Satan to cause suffering to challenge Satan's claim that God's creation, humans, would turn from and curse God under pressure.
Hmmm..... not sure about all this.
•      Contemporary Issues
Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is a serious sin. Gender roles are defined: Men are the head of the household and women are loving caretakers who assist the husband in teaching the children. Divorce is permitted under certain circumstances, but Jehovah hates remarriage unless the divorce occurred as a result of adultery. Service in the armed forces or any form of allegiance to government is prohibited; one must show allegiance only to the Kingdom of Christ. Blood transfusions, along with ingesting blood, are considered wrong, as God said the soul is in the blood. Bone marrow transplants are left to the individual conscience. (Note: all other forms of medical treatment are acceptable.)
Ok God never says not to join the army. He says to follow the laws of men so much as they don't interfere with his commands. And since he never says you can't join the army then it's not a sin. If they had a draft and you skipped out on it then you would be sinning for you would be breaking the laws man has made. And the Bible never says that blood transfusions are wrong. I bet that he would rather you give blood to someone and save their life rather than letting them die. And if ingesting blood is wrong (wouldn't do it either way) then is it sinning if you get punched and swollow some blood? And bone marrow is where blood is made so if blood transfusions are wrong then so is marrow transplants because that's where your blood is made.

Yeah, upon reading more about it. They are heritics as well. And i really dont care what they or anyone else says about the matter.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witness - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witness

It really doesn't matter what they call themselves.


Ok I also don't believe that the JW are christians but I also don't believe that most of the churches who say they are either.


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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:20pm

Like which ones?

 

and give me some reasons why too.



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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want,
but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church.
They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final.
Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
               the Almighty, maker of heaven and
               earth of all that is seen and unseen.
               We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
               the only Son of God, eternally begotten
               of the Father, God from God, Light
               from Light, true God from true God,
               begotten, not made, one in Being
               with the Father. Through him all things
               were made. For us men and our
               salvation he came down from heaven:
               by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
               born of the Virgin Mary, and became
               man. For our sake he was crucified
               under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
               and was buried. On the third day he
               rose again in fulfillment of the
               Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
               and is seated at the right hand of the
               Father. He will come again to judge
               the living and the dead, and his
               kingdom will have no end. We
               believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
               the giver of life, who proceeds from
               the Father and the Son. With the
               Father and the Son he is worshipped
               and glorified. He has spoken through
               the Prophets. We believe in one holy
               catholic and apostolic Church. We
               acknowledge one baptism for the
               forgiveness of sins. We look for the
               resurrection of the dead, and the life
               of the world to come.

                   Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said
in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say
this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs
that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If
anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like
mormonism.


Not every Christian church says that prayer. I go to a Christian church
and we don't say that prayer. No where in the Bible does it even use
that prayer. I could see someone mistakingly saying the model prayer in
church. Even thought it doesn't even say to repeat that exact prayer I
could see where someone would make that mistake. But the prayer you
said has to be said actually doesn't. I don't care what some old guy
with a funny hat says.


No its said in many many churches. Protestant and Catholic alike. Listen for the Nicine creed. Chances are your church says it every sunday.

Nope I listen believe my church doesn't say it. We take the Lord's Supper every sunday like we are supposed to do but we don't say that prayer. And it doesn't matter how many churches say it that doesn't make it right. It's like saying that just becasue alot of people commit murder then that makes it ok.


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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:25pm

What Church do you belong too. If your celebrating the Lord's supper every Sunday I can almost promise you say the creed as least once a year.



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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:29pm
I go to a church of christ and I can promise you that we don't say no stupid creed. We follow what the Bible says exactly to the letter. We don't invent new things to the Bible and we don't leave anything out. Like it or not that's what we are supposed to do.

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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:32pm

The creed is just saying what we believe in, it's what all Christian churches say. Maybe your not really a Christian j/k don't take that seriously. I'm sure that creed is somewhere in your Church.

btw, what other Churches do you consider "not Christian".



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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:32pm
Haha, you guys are arguin about religion.

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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:33pm
OK your right you don't have creed. I googled it (I think I looked up the correct one) So basically, your like the only Christian group who dosen't say the creed

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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:35pm
Trust me we don't say that creed. Sure it's nice to say I guess but what I was trying to get across is that we don't have to say it. To say that to be a christian you have to say the creed is untrue.

I don't consider the churches like the mormons and the JW's and really just any church that changes the Bible to fit their own personal agenda. And churches that don't do baptism because to be a Christian you have to 1st be baptised.


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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

OK your right you don't have creed. I googled it (I think I looked up the correct one) So basically, your like the only Christian group who dosen't say the creed


Ok that's because we are the only ones who follow the Bible exactly.


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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:37pm

The Mormons came from the planet Kolab. I think they seriously believe that too. I don't think as a Catholic I take the creed as "you have to say this to be Christian" but it basically sums up all our beliefs and saying it at every Mass is a great way to keep people reminded in what we believe.



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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:40pm
Lol the planet Kolab. 

If they managed to get here then how come they can't go back?

Actually that might be true but I don't know. We are having a summer series at our church this summer where we are having different speakers teaching about other churches. Not teaching like trying to convert us but teaching so that we can be better prepared to face the other religions among us.


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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

The Mormons came from the planet Kolab. I think they seriously believe that too. I don't think as a Catholic I take the creed as "you have to say this to be Christian" but it basically sums up all our beliefs and saying it at every Mass is a great way to keep people reminded in what we believe.


Ok sorry I thought that yall had to say that or something like you were saying that it was neccessary to be a Christian. Sorry.


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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:46pm
Yeah, its not that you have to say the creed to be a christian. No one is saying that, but many many churches say it reguardless of its denomination.

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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:48pm
Oh ok well I'm sorry I misunderstood you.

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Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 9:24pm

i love how we're arguing about religion on a paintball forum.

anyway, the catholic church believes that you are supposed to use the bible as a guidline to living your life; you're not supposed to follow it exactly. i forget the exact term for that, but that's what we learned that last year in religion class. (hahah i forget everything i've learned over the summer.)

edit: i just dug last year's religion book out of my closet. the word i was looking for is literal truth. "Literal truth is what the Scripture text says." It also says, " Errors can be found in the literal truth of Scripture. There is no error in the spiritual truth of Scipture." Spiritual truth is defined as "...the meaning of the text in terms of our understanding and experience of God."



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 9:26pm
Yeah.. Its T and O.. everything gets debated and argued over.

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Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 10:46pm

Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:



Ok that's because we are the only ones who follow the Bible exactly.

I go to a Church of Christ affiliated school, even though I am Adventist.

You guys are insane. You actually belive that your interpritation of the bible is the only one, and most Church -O- Christers belive that all other denominations are going to hell becuase they dont follow the bible 'to code' (Aka how they see it...)



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 11:00pm
No christian denomination follows the bible "to code" period.

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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 11:39pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:



Ok that's because we are the only ones who follow the Bible exactly.

I go to a Church of Christ affiliated school, even though I am Adventist.

You guys are insane. You actually belive that your interpritation of the bible is the only one, and most Church -O- Christers belive that all other denominations are going to hell becuase they dont follow the bible 'to code' (Aka how they see it...)



You know, I actually agree with you for once.

The part where you say what they are saying is insane.*


Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 12:59am
Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:



Ok that's because we are the only ones who follow the Bible exactly.

I go to a Church of Christ affiliated school, even though I am Adventist.

You guys are insane. You actually belive that your interpritation of the bible is the only one, and most Church -O- Christers belive that all other denominations are going to hell becuase they dont follow the bible 'to code' (Aka how they see it...)

True that. I never said he was going to hell thou, he probably will and I will too and we can argue more down their

 



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:04am
Originally posted by plasoccri plasoccri wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:


Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:

Ok that's because we are the only ones who follow the Bible exactly.


I go to a Church of Christ affiliated school, even though I am Adventist.


You guys are insane. You actually belive that your interpritation of the bible is the only one, and most Church -O- Christers belive that all other denominations are going to hell becuase they dont follow the bible 'to code' (Aka how they see it...)



True that. I never said he was going to hell thou, he probably will and I will too and we can argue more down their




Whatever.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:05am
They havent come to my house in a while, im disappointed, i like to mess with them.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:10am

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Whatever.

Sorry.
I personally beleive that no matter how true to god I am, or any of us are, we all sin, and god will send us where he sees fit. If its hell, so be it, if not, then Heaven here I come. But I'm not going to kid myself and say I'm going to heaven when I know I haven't been the best christan.



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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:14am

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

They havent come to my house in a while, im disappointed, i like to mess with them.

Point to the bushes and "Its the devil" then slam the door. If its the Jehovahs Whitnesses, they'll be their with their Awake and Watch Tower Magazines going, what the hell was that.



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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:20am
I like to threaten them with non threatening objects...like spoons.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:30am

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

I like to threaten them with non threatening objects...like spoons.

"back up or I'll get another and play them! I'm warning you! I learned from a man with a banjo and no front teeth, his name was LeyRoy!"



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:30am
Originally posted by plasoccri plasoccri wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Whatever.


Sorry. I personally beleive that no matter how true to god I am, or any of us are, we all sin, and god will send us where he sees fit. If its hell, so be it, if not, then Heaven here I come. But I'm not going to kid myself and say I'm going to heaven when I know I haven't been the best christan.



You dont have to be the best christian in the world to go to heaven, and there isnt a set number of people that are going anywhere. If you beleive jesus died for your sins and all that jaz and lead a good life and arent wicked, your going to heaven.

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Posted By: ninety8freak
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:40am
Originally posted by plasoccri plasoccri wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
             the Almighty, maker of heaven and
             earth of all that is seen and unseen.
             We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
             the only Son of God, eternally begotten
             of the Father, God from God, Light
             from Light, true God from true God,
             begotten, not made, one in Being
             with the Father. Through him all things
             were made. For us men and our
             salvation he came down from heaven:
             by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
             born of the Virgin Mary, and became
             man. For our sake he was crucified
             under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
             and was buried. On the third day he
             rose again in fulfillment of the
             Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
             and is seated at the right hand of the
             Father. He will come again to judge
             the living and the dead, and his
             kingdom will have no end. We
             believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
             the giver of life, who proceeds from
             the Father and the Son. With the
             Father and the Son he is worshipped
             and glorified. He has spoken through
             the Prophets. We believe in one holy
             catholic and apostolic Church. We
             acknowledge one baptism for the
             forgiveness of sins. We look for the
             resurrection of the dead, and the life
             of the world to come.

                Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.

I live with one, I've gone to many meetings (most if not all against my will) and holy cow! Thats the beleife system, God is father to Jesus Christ, born to the Vergin Mary, he died for our sins... And I've been to Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, and Presbitarian (sp) churches many a time as well, and the Catholic Church is the only place I have ever heard that prayer.

im lutheran and we say it at my church.


Posted By: God
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:45am
I changed my mind. I decided not to do a second tour of the earth. Your stuck without a second coming. Good Luck!

Oh, Mary isnt a Virgin anymore. She was needed as a reward for the one of the recent suicide bombers. We are getting low on virgins since they are getting swooped up at 7 a bomber. Mother Terrisa is in the next round of rewards.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:45am
Thank you, i been to plenty of lutheran churches, and they say it each sunday.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 1:48am
Im catholic...you guys should have a field day with that one...

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 9:57am

So our catholic says that JWs aren't christians.  We have had baptists in T&O say that catholics aren't christians.  I'm sure I could find a JW willing to claim that baptists aren't christians.

It's like rock-paper-scissors over silly religious semantics



Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 10:09am
Originally posted by soonerdude05 soonerdude05 wrote:

Lol the planet Kolab. 

If they managed to get here then how come they can't go back?

Actually that might be true but I don't know. We are having a summer series at our church this summer where we are having different speakers teaching about other churches. Not teaching like trying to convert us but teaching so that we can be better prepared to face the other religions among us.


Sounds like a great time...


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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 10:11am
I am Missouri synod-Lutherean, and we say a very close creed to what Dbib wrote.

And a lot of the time, Catholics and Luthereans are considered not Christian, because of little technicalities.


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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

I am Missouri synod-Lutherean, and we say a very close creed to what Dbib wrote.

And a lot of the time, Catholics and Luthereans are considered not Christian, because of little technicalities.


Yeah ive heard that school of thoght. It reminds me of a dog chasing its tail makes me sit and go. "..Wha?"

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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 6:00pm
You are all retarded. Let me summarize this, if your religion isn't the same as another persons, you are wrong. Zomg you interprit a book written by main and somehow accredited to god wrongly (as if there's a right way)

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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 6:28pm
wow... i missed alot... time to play catch up methinks.



Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
               the Almighty, maker of heaven and
               earth of all that is seen and unseen.
               We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
               the only Son of God, eternally begotten
               of the Father, God from God, Light
               from Light, true God from true God,
               begotten, not made, one in Being
               with the Father. Through him all things
               were made. For us men and our
               salvation he came down from heaven:
               by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
               born of the Virgin Mary, and became
               man. For our sake he was crucified
               under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
               and was buried. On the third day he
               rose again in fulfillment of the
               Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
               and is seated at the right hand of the
               Father. He will come again to judge
               the living and the dead, and his
               kingdom will have no end. We
               believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
               the giver of life, who proceeds from
               the Father and the Son. With the
               Father and the Son he is worshipped
               and glorified. He has spoken through
               the Prophets. We believe in one holy
               catholic and apostolic Church. We
               acknowledge one baptism for the
               forgiveness of sins. We look for the
               resurrection of the dead, and the life
               of the world to come.

                   Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.


you are correct in that churches that aren't Roman Catholic say that, but all christian churches definately do not say that every sunday, i've actually never attended one that does.

the hang up with the words "catholic and appostolic" are based on a misunderstand of what the word catholic means, the catholic church is the universal all encompasing church of God... all christians are included in the catholic church, the Roman catholic church is the division that is headed by the church of rome...



Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

The Mormons came from the planet Kolab. I think they seriously believe that too. I don't think as a Catholic I take the creed as "you have to say this to be Christian" but it basically sums up all our beliefs and saying it at every Mass is a great way to keep people reminded in what we believe.



thats correct... they believe that god lives on the distant planet, where he has "spirit children" with his many wives and sends them to earth to live as humans. they believe we are all from kolab actually...

mormonism is actually pollythiestic as well, they believe in many gods... but only one of them is "our" god.



to the core topic - do i believe Jehovas Witnesses (as a group) are "christian" well, lets define the word shall we?

Chris·tian   Audio pronunciation of "christian" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.

   1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
   2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
   3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
   4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
   5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.


n.

   1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
   2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.


probably the definition most people here are going by... quite possibly not the definition many of the christians are going by.

under the first definition there could be a pretty good arguement made either way... Honestly i find many of thier beliefs to be based of out of context, stand-alone, mis-representations of the new testament.

several points of contention between mainline christianity and JW's are

- The Divinity of Christ
- How Christ Died
- What hell is
- how many people can/will go to heaven

there are others as well but these seem to be the big ones...

under the first category (dictionary definition), i would say one could make a case that as a whole JW's are christian.

I personally would say no, in that though they do claim to follow the teachings of Christ, thier mis-representation of that scripture is enough to set them apart from christianity. that is my view, your free to disagree with it.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 6:29pm
All religions seem to hold the same amount of water with me.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

wow... i missed alot... time to play catch up methinks.



Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Nope. Look you can say. "Yeah they are" All you want, but the fact of the matter is they are not recognized by the church. They are an outside entity they are not christian and thats final. Their beliefs are not christian.

We believe in one God, the Father,
                the Almighty, maker of heaven and
                earth of all that is seen and unseen.
                We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
                the only Son of God, eternally begotten
                of the Father, God from God, Light
                from Light, true God from true God,
                begotten, not made, one in Being
                with the Father. Through him all things
                were made. For us men and our
                salvation he came down from heaven:
                by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
                born of the Virgin Mary, and became
                man. For our sake he was crucified
                under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died,
                and was buried. On the third day he
                rose again in fulfillment of the
                Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
                and is seated at the right hand of the
                Father. He will come again to judge
                the living and the dead, and his
                kingdom will have no end. We
                believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
                the giver of life, who proceeds from
                the Father and the Son. With the
                Father and the Son he is worshipped
                and glorified. He has spoken through
                the Prophets. We believe in one holy
                catholic and apostolic Church. We
                acknowledge one baptism for the
                forgiveness of sins. We look for the
                resurrection of the dead, and the life
                of the world to come.

                     Amen.

This is basicaly the outline of the CHRISTIAN beleive. It is said in Catholic churches, lutheran, presbytarian all christian churches say this prayer every sunday.

Jehovas Witness is not a christian organization, they have beliefs that go directly against what the bible states over and over. If anything, it is a perversion of christian beliefs, like mormonism.


you are correct in that churches that aren't Roman Catholic say that, but all christian churches definately do not say that every sunday, i've actually never attended one that does.

the hang up with the words "catholic and appostolic" are based on a misunderstand of what the word catholic means, the catholic church is the universal all encompasing church of God... all christians are included in the catholic church, the Roman catholic church is the division that is headed by the church of rome...



I know all that. And i never said all christian churches say that.

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