If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to run an ant's go-kart around the inside of a donut. Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

Obviously you've never played anything besides speedball, and you are one of those people who thinks the faster a gun can shoot the better it is.

As for the original poster there is a mask called the VForce Vantage Fieldvision in which there is no foam, instead there is a rubber material that is also found in swiming goggles. I would assume that means your face could get closer to the mask, however I have never used it. And just some hints: a flatline is more for laying down cover fire than for sniping, i hope you have a red dot sight, and have fun

thier is sniping in paintball....... that is if u play woodsball  the only problem iv had though is that the mask is too wide it might just be the mask im using

and talking about getting hit in the face with out padding my friend has this one mask that is pretty old but tha sides arnt even hard plastic its more rubbery and flops around n he said it doesnt hurt any more then the other masks

sum1 that understands that there are snipers in paintball.  yayyyyyyy

btw about ur mask problem get the l1a1 stock from ops  offer alot of clearence and u could get a raised sight rail taadaa

If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to run an ant's go-kart around the inside of a donut.

Darur wrote: sneaky_sniper wrote: darur u can make fun of me all u want but this isnt english class its a paintball forum And does that mean we are supposed to talk like "hey dud dd u c tat snipp-er dud!roflmafo".  Why do you think you have english class? To fill up free time? ya basically... i hated english class Tough, use it i agree other players do use stealth and practice but nothing compared to a sniper, The average woodsballer wears camo, his gun is also camoed.  Do snipers have "Acme Invisible Pants" or something that makes them so "sneaky sneaky"? well kinda incase u havnt heard about em its called a ghillie suit look it up BWHAHAHAHAHA! I have yet to see a paintballer use one correctly.  Players seem to think throwing on a ghillie makes you invisible.  I've seen players running in them thinking they are hidden, I have seen players with ghillies so mismtached they used a dark green ghillie in tall dead grass.  Ghillies are designed for use at a DISTENCE.  Only from a distance can you acctually move in one.  I dont care how awsome your "1337 snipp-er dud 5k1lz" are, you dont have the disipline to use one correctly. o and sorry i guess ill try to b like u and spend my time learning how to type in a correct manner instead of practicing paintballing You might find that to be a wise move.  Few companies will pick an "uBeR 1337 k3w1 5nipp-3r dUd3!11" over someone who can type in, and speak, English. well u may think my love, knowledge, and exspirience in sniping is unvaluble but the american armed forces have a differant outlook they like the fact that i have the ability to sneek past several guys in the woods to take out 1 important target and still remain hidden and they also like the fact that iv been around rifles since iv been able to walk and have lots of exsperiance with them I hardly think crawling around in a mismatched ghillie trying to shoot people usuing a scope will be considered seriosuly by an army recruiter. BTW, they also have intelligence tests. Further more, there is one (possibly two) former military sniper on this forum, his name is Oldsoldier, why dont you drop him a line abotu sniping in paintball.  See what he tells you. good try tho... Further more you havent dissproven or attacked any of my claims.

well i have now

i'm getting confused and kinda frustrated.  Noone was not saying snipers where better than any other play.  That's just his play style.  "Snipers" tend to be more patiant than your normal experienced player.  Most people (like me) love the idea of being in a huge firefight and putting our reflexes on display.  Others (like Sneaky) prefer not to use their gunfighting skills, but rather their accuracy and intelligence.  That, my friend, is the difference between a sniper and a regular player.  People may look down on snipers, but honestly, does it matter how you play as long as you just go out and do it?  Paintballers need to stick together and not flame people, but give HELPFUL advise to the newbs.  Our sport will die if it keeps going the route it's going.  I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but i'd kinda like it if everyone just let it go and let this thread die. 

lol do u c the intelligence from spaceballs... why hes one of them thur city folk who are well edycated and stand in the open yelling no one hide or be sneeky or shoot from a concealed position! after all them thur gellatin filled capsuls are suposed to have a nice big easily seen wide open shot to hit u with instead of being like those dumb hicks and hiding while wearen camo so u wont get shot and be able to sneek up on people!

(but ill at least give u a cool picture thing cuz i like sharks) but next time kinda think about what u just said

i'm getting confused and kinda frustrated. 

We all are, but it seems for different reasons

Noone was not saying snipers where better than any other play.
That's just his play style.  "Snipers" tend to be more patiant than your normal experienced player. 

In other words snipers are campers?  I think we are all in agreement that campers are newbs who hide in brush and shoot people that come nearby.  Face it, patience isnt a skill needed in Paintball.  Patience in paintball means fear to move.  Players get locked in a comfortable spot where they feel safe, they become campers and call this patience.

Most people (like me) love the idea of being in a huge firefight and putting our reflexes on display.  Others (like Sneaky) prefer not to use their gunfighting skills, but rather their accuracy and intelligence. 

We've already covered the accruacy issue, it doesnt exist in paintball.  Hell, a paper clip on a rubber band is probably more accurate.  Intelligence?  I could make many rude comments on that but I'll stick to facts.  Do you mean to say that only "snipers" use "intelligence" and the rest of us listen to our testicles?  I think every move you make on the field takes a certain amount of intelligence and certinetly teams think before they move or act.

That, my friend, is the difference between a sniper and a regular player. 

In other words ones a camper and one acctually plays?

People may look down on snipers, but honestly, does it matter how you play as long as you just go out and do it? 

No, but the point is when they waste their time trying to be a "sniper" and further more convince other players to do the same, it takes the fun out of the sport.  They arent playing, they are sitting on the side pretending to play.

Paintballers need to stick together and not flame people, but give HELPFUL advise to the newbs. 

Hence what I am doing  . . .

Our sport will die if it keeps going the route it's going.  I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but i'd kinda like it if everyone just let it go and let this thread die.

End the sniper threads and I'll let em die

ok, so update, got pics of my mask, maybe something to think of if u like to sniper, or ect. I DO NOT SNIPE, I KNOW ITS NOT PRAT....! BUT STEALTH AND RECON FOR YOUR TEAM NOW THATS AN IDEA EH??

Do you communicate with your team?  Do you work with your team?  If you answer yes to that question then clearly you arent a "sneaky sneaky sniper player" because if you work with your team you call things to them and they call things to you.  If you answer no your probably being honest and admitting that you crawl in the brush while they play and if they get ambushed you might crawl over to give them a hand.

Seriously folks, you cant exercise teamwork unless you are all working together and can see and communicate with each other.  No plan lasts longer then a few minutes into the game (a few seconds in speedball), plans change and a team needs to be flexable.  When that plan changes and your crawling in the woods what good are you doing for your team?

Honestly, all you need camo wise is a a shirt and pants, maybe a little camo on the mask if its purple like mine.

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Darur wrote: Styro Folme wrote: Darur wrote: Styro Folme wrote: i'm getting confused and kinda frustrated.  We all are, but it seems for different reasons Noone was not saying snipers where better than any other play. That's just his play style.  "Snipers" tend to be more patiant than your normal experienced player.  In other words snipers are campers?  I think we are all in agreement that campers are newbs who hide in brush and shoot people that come nearby.  Face it, patience isnt a skill needed in Paintball.  Patience in paintball means fear to move.  Players get locked in a comfortable spot where they feel safe, they become campers and call this patience. Most people (like me) love the idea of being in a huge firefight and putting our reflexes on display.  Others (like Sneaky) prefer not to use their gunfighting skills, but rather their accuracy and intelligence.  We've already covered the accruacy issue, it doesnt exist in paintball.  Hell, a paper clip on a rubber band is probably more accurate.  Intelligence?  I could make many rude comments on that but I'll stick to facts.  Do you mean to say that only "snipers" use "intelligence" and the rest of us listen to our testicles?  I think every move you make on the field takes a certain amount of intelligence and certinetly teams think before they move or act. That, my friend, is the difference between a sniper and a regular player.  In other words ones a camper and one acctually plays? People may look down on snipers, but honestly, does it matter how you play as long as you just go out and do it?  No, but the point is when they waste their time trying to be a "sniper" and further more convince other players to do the same, it takes the fun out of the sport.  They arent playing, they are sitting on the side pretending to play. Paintballers need to stick together and not flame people, but give HELPFUL advise to the newbs.  Hence what I am doing  . . . Our sport will die if it keeps going the route it's going.  I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but i'd kinda like it if everyone just let it go and let this thread die. End the sniper threads and I'll let em die whatever makes you sleep at night..... Admitting defeat?

Sounds like it. DARUR FOR THE WIN!!!!!!

i agree with u darur, if you do not work as a team, give your team info you are gonna fail at what ever your goal is. usualy when i play i play as a scout. scout = going out ahead of the team or just searching away from the team for the enemy.... dont usualy go to far so that i can back em up or they can back me up, but i go in search of the enemy as quietly as possible. also i am never alone when doing this... this is called using a scout team... 2 or more, for me its me and 2 others going on a light patrol of an area to flush and flank. so i guess that is what i am a scout...?

and p.s. please stop the reposting of an entire argument/conversation over and over.... cant even enjoy what im reading here .

   Did anybody read my first post?

Yes . . . .

Sniping or not paintball is a game, a GAME!

Yes, however when you take real military possitions and throw them in paintball they dont suddenly automatically work.  You cant take a B2 from real life and say "I'm going to be a B2 in paintball" and run around in circles making airplane noises (well, you can but you look like a tool).

It's not war, it's not life or death and it's not a compition in which you get payed insanely like the pros, it's a friggin game.

Acctually, every "pro" has a day job, they dont get payed "insanely".

Let everyone do whatever the hell they want and if you get mad about it don't say anything.

Well, no one gets mad at "snipers", we simpley tell them why their views are flawed and then they tend to hold little hissy fits because they cant argue back.  Sort of like this post.

We waste too much friggin time arguing about snipers and poor grammer in this damn forum and I'm starting to want to leave.

Did you or did you not just start a thread in T&O abotu snipers? Click my sig then if you dont like it here.

Hey I found it!!  I am of course referring to the sniper criteria I mentioned above.  The original poster listed 6 requirments the potential paintball sniper had to meet to be considered a sniper.  They are shortened and in my own words, but I have not changed the meaning by doing so.  Any difference would be in application, that is I apply the rules to the concept of being a paintball sniper, not a sniper in general.  Without further ado, here is what Sr Crewchief (I believe) said a sniper must possess :

1. Superior marksmanship skills
   
2. Expertise in camoflage and concealment
   
3. Ability to approach a target undetected
   
4. Ability to engage targets beyond effective range of return fire
   
5. Ability to engage target without revealing position
   
6. Ability to egress area of engagement without being identified/engaged

The first 3 requirements apply with varying degrees of capability to all woodsball players.  We all know people who run the gamut from scary to sucky in one or more of those areas.  

Item 4 is a little trickier since all markers fire at a pre-determined maximum limit on most fields.  The flatline is one way around this when used to engage targets in thick brush where arced return fire is not feasible.  But the two people I know who best meet this criteria use different approaches with standard barrels.  The gentleman I mentioned in my original post is very effective at stalking his prey and firing a single shot through a small opening in the intervening cover to get his elimination, after which a simple step to the side or back removes any chance of seeing him or returning fire at him.  The other one is a young man who can lob paint in a phenomenal manner.  His accuracy with single shots launched at a 30 degree or greater angle is just unbelievable.  Couple this with the fact that he usually stands under a tree and fires through an opening in the canopy above him and he is able to eliminate others at long range with complete impunity.

Point 5 is mainly timing, i.e. not taking your shot when your location is under observation.  A quiet marker helps, but is not mandatory if the shooter is good enough to eliminate his chosen target with the first shot.  (It's usually the second shot that reveals location.)

Criteria 6 is the one I see the most people (not just would-be snipers) screw up on.  Any engagement should not be initiated until an effective egress route (and an alternate if possible) has been selected;  this applies to both lone individuals and teams.   As Darur pointed out, communications is vital, so in the case of teams preparing an ambush, it is good practice to verify that everyone knows all aspects of the plan before implementing it, no matter how simple it is. 

P.S.  I'm not trying to stir up this discussion again, I think I've already agreed to disagree with those that think differently than I do.  I did however, feel obligated to post these criteria, and how I apply them, since I brought them up earlier.

P.P.S.  Brihard's comments got me started considering some flatline related issues:  I won't hijack this thread by bringing them up here but I may start a thread specific to my questions over on the T&O forum.  I would ask anyone with serious input to please keep an eye out for it.  Considering the quality of their input here, I would be especially pleased to hear from Darur and Brihard.

P.P.P.S.  Someone mentioned "pwnage" above;  I wasn't aware that this was a game where points were tallied.  I  don't feel "pwned", and I definitely don't think I "pwned" anybody.  I just think some of us had a very good internet discussion.