3rd debate on the same topic eh?

Gatyr -

I was referring to this transition:

OS wrote: we see that man will resort to whatever means to ensure his personal survival and power at the expense of another

to

OS wrote: an american "criminal" is no differant than an Iraqi "insurgent" in his use of terror as a weapon for his personal gain

In his first post, OS appears to be focusing, at least in part, on survival, which generally considered a reasonable excuse for questionable behavior.  In the next post, the "survival" is gone, and it is now all about selfish criminal behavior, which is not reasonable at all.

Whatever analogy OS was trying to make (which isn't quite clear), it is muddied by the inconsistent standards applied.  I am not entirely certain what point OS was trying to make in this thread, and I am further confused by this apparent shift in logic.

Clark Kent wrote: At a minimum we should send in a couple of divisions of Marines, and order up some air strikes.  The collateral damage should be at an acceptable level, I would think.

It's not murder if we are liberating them.

Kristofer wrote: If I am reading this right then the criminals are no different than insurgents. And If thats the case I agree 100%

You just read my mind

The way I see it from afar,  some are stealing for survival while some may have had basically nothing to begin with and see it as an opportunity to "snag a tv or a new pair of shoes"

I think it's more complicated than concluding that everyone in New Orleans, that is dealing with the aftermath of the storm has the same agenda.

oldsoldier wrote: Still waiting on the aid from France to the French Quarter, its their original design for a city below sea level. Maybe we can sue the French for a bad city design.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html#cool - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html#cool

Here you go... Viva la France!

WGP guy wrote: Badsmitty wrote: oldsoldier wrote: Still waiting on the aid from France to the French Quarter, its their original design for a city below sea level. Maybe we can sue the French for a bad city design. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html#cool - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html#cool Here you go... Viva la France! By chance, did you notice France wasn't listed as offering to help?

Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said.

I actually agree with Druid, he is politically correct. By defying the word of their governor, they brought this ****ing ****-*** situation on themselves. As for the looters that raided the Police HQ, I personally feel that they should be dragged out and shot. That is not politically correct, but I don't care. They felt the need to go and do that, without any reason besides blasting poor innocents, then they should be treated the same way that they treated others. Golden Rule baby.

<that's a strike for you>

bluemunky42 -

I did not mean to imply that everyone still there chose to be there. Of course there are those that couldn't leave. My whole contention and diatribe is aimed at the retards that chose to stay behind...their presence did nothing more than reduce the quantity and quality of help to those unable to leave. As for being 'poor'...I don't see how economic status should define or hinder good judgement. Even the poor have basic intelligence or understanding...and when told to "Get outta there" they should have used whatever means necessary (that are feesable and law abiding) to leave. I'll bet that many of them stayed with the sole hope that "....eh...it's not going to be that bad....I can stick it out"...and ended up in the middle of a craptstorm without an umbrella. Now they want to blame everyone else for their inactivity and dire situation? Bull...I don't think so. In every economic status across our Nation...the elderly have this notion that they will 'not be chased from their homes." Ask your grandparents if they would ever abandon their homes for any reason. You'd be suprised to learn how many wouldn't. These are the ones I speak of. Obstinate and thick-headed people shouldn't be pittied as they deserve everything they get.

<and a strike for you as well>

bigred76 wrote: Yeah, I personally like that idea. The only reason a person there would need a gun is to keep the sharks away...But oh yeah, there aren't sharks...never mind, I guess there isn't a reason.

not sharks...gators and croc's...oh and snakes.

Gators, rapists and violent, riotous behavior. I believe that any and everyone has the right to defend themselves and their neighbor with whatever-means necessary...including the use of deadly force. If I were told to leave and while in that process I encountered a riot...Heck YEAH I'm going to shoot to defend my (and my family's) lives. Firearms are not the problem...people's mentalities and social skills are. "Once a _____, always a(n) ________" ...fill in the blanks...

thug; moron; butt-oraface; criminal; Peace Officer; helping-hand; complainer;....and many more I'm too tired to think up.

Oh please...holier than thou should stay in the Bible Belt. The term used to describe a FEMALE DOG is not a cuss word...and the "H" word used to describe a Biblical place under ground isn't either. I corrected the one that meant "feces" but come on...lighten up...

but I forgot...I only have less than 150 total posts...so I must be a transient. Those with hundreds (or more) get away with everything short of murder. Enforce everyone or no one at all.

EDIT: oh...and I even edited myself---the swear filter wouldn't have even blinked.

Zesty wrote: I think that's the problem around here, and why things continue to go downhill. Instead of focusing on these spamming little kids who don't do anything but post spam in the T&O, and bring the intelligence level of the entire site down, we've got people worrying about cuss words. I'm not a parent, but if I had a kid, I would MUCH rather him hear a few cusswords mixed in with some intelligent thought, rather than hear some dipstick who doesn't cuss spew forth ignorance. Not saying we need to allow cussing, but IMHO the spamming annoying kids are way more a detraction from this site than any cuss words may be.

I am in complete agreement.

The problem is not the language...the problem is the person using it and in what context. I'd rather see someone use the (harsh word for) "Darned" to show passion, than see...

"...teh uber l33tn3ss of H4WtN3$s of PwNiNg N0obz @ 97bps+5000 BoNuSbAlLz MaK3z M33 GiDdyy !n Teh b3LlEe....and...you own an Ion? yer Anuberl33tnoobwithnocashandmommyisbroke

and other such nonsense posted all over the net.

Regardless, I will try harder to manage my language...for those truly ub3rh4wtsqueemish types...

bluemunky42 wrote: ^not true. i was given my second strike at roughly 3500 posts. and the first was around 1200. -edit- hell, a platinum member got a strike for "ludicrous game thread"

so...where's your "strike" for the "H" word?

Druid, you didn't get a strike for "hell".  You got a strike for "feces".  Inserting a couple of asterixes doesn't help, which you would know if you read the stickies.

Now stop whining.

FoRenSiC wrote: Yeah, druid made an intelligent thoughtout post and what does he get? a strike. Now that doesn't make sense at all...

thank you.

Rambino wrote: Druid, you didn't get a strike for "hell".  You got a strike for "feces".  Inserting a couple of asterixes doesn't help, which you would know if you read the stickies. Now stop whining.

My apologies. Perhaps I missed that and am heading to the "stickies" again

oldsoldier wrote: Ok with the events in New Orleans, we see that man will resort to whatever means to ensure his personal survival and power at the expense of another. Be it Bagdad or New Orleans the "insurgent" or "criminal" he who has the gun and means will use it to project his power over his neighbor or any government who that person sees as a threat to himself. A small percentage in each case but seeing an American City revert to a war zone simular to any Iraqi City, where a few terrorize the many shows the failure of the human animal to be civilized, be it in the Middle East or here in America when situations appear to threaten the fews percieved power over others. The looting, theft, and brazen criminal activity of the few, at the expense of the many, at a time of crisis both in Iraq and in New Orleans, shows that no matter where, no matter when, if threatened, man will revert to the primal predator he is no matter how "civilized".

No, I think the lesson to be learned here is that whatever the Bush administration gets their hands in goes to crap in a hurry, be it Iraq or New Orleans.

DBibeau855 wrote: Yeah. They were told to leave and they did the typical thing. "Oh ive been through a huricane before, no big deal." Im not buying that people were too poor to leave. If there is a will there is a way. If you want to get out of a city and your life depends on it, you will get out. Ask for someone for a ride, watever, people ban together, you arent just going to get told know. These people bit the hand that fed them when they fired on the help organization. I would have issued warnings. Leafletted the city saying. "If you fire upon us. We will leave." I personaly think that we should go in and say "If we see you with a gun, you are going to get shot." No one there needs a bloody gun.

Because you are so rich that you indeed, cannot understand. whiteboy.

DBibeau855 wrote: Watch your mouth. Whats the term for subs in the south? I think they call, "Po Boys"? Yeah.

Watch my mouth, oooooh. Are the secret service watching, or do I need to fear prepubescent silver spooners whom I can bench press? Quit trying to understand what it is like to be poor. Try empathy sometime.

Darur wrote: goodsmitty wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: Yeah. They were told to leave and they did the typical thing. "Oh ive been through a huricane before, no big deal." Im not buying that people were too poor to leave. If there is a will there is a way. If you want to get out of a city and your life depends on it, you will get out. Ask for someone for a ride, watever, people ban together, you arent just going to get told know. These people bit the hand that fed them when they fired on the help organization. I would have issued warnings. Leafletted the city saying. "If you fire upon us. We will leave." I personaly think that we should go in and say "If we see you with a gun, you are going to get shot." No one there needs a bloody gun. Because you are so rich that you indeed, cannot understand. whiteboy. Not to mention he was part of the evil Rebublican conspiricy to wipe out New Orleans and kill all the poor black people so the white christians can take over.

Admit it, if it were a coliseum full of teenage blond nymphs or brain-dead women with tube feedings, we would have had them out within 24 hours. As it stands, it took 7 days, because they were black. The french quarter hotels were evacuated without any problem-because they were full of tourists. The french quarter is about 4 blocks from the stadium and the convention center.

DBibeau855 wrote: Empathy is fine and dandy. But im not going to feel sorry for stupidity. I dont care if you can bench press me.. And i did get a silver spoon when i was born. It has St. Micheal on it.

HAHA! It took three posts to root our your neocon arrogance. Let us reflect on your comments:

1. You state you are a catholic, claiming allegiance to Christ.

2. You stated "yeah, I can buy your family" and then quickly edited it.

3. You stated that people deserve to die because of stupidity.

4. And you stated that they weren't actually poor, but just ignored the warnings, so they deserve to die because everybody can afford to rent a car, buy a plane ticket, or live in hotel for six nights.

Somehow, I don't think you are being called to evangelism.

Darur wrote: goodsmitty wrote: Darur wrote: goodsmitty wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: Yeah. They were told to leave and they did the typical thing. "Oh ive been through a huricane before, no big deal." Im not buying that people were too poor to leave. If there is a will there is a way. If you want to get out of a city and your life depends on it, you will get out. Ask for someone for a ride, watever, people ban together, you arent just going to get told know. These people bit the hand that fed them when they fired on the help organization. I would have issued warnings. Leafletted the city saying. "If you fire upon us. We will leave." I personaly think that we should go in and say "If we see you with a gun, you are going to get shot." No one there needs a bloody gun. Because you are so rich that you indeed, cannot understand. whiteboy. Not to mention he was part of the evil Rebublican conspiricy to wipe out New Orleans and kill all the poor black people so the white christians can take over.   Admit it, if it were a coliseum full of teenage blond nymphs or brain-dead women with tube feedings, we would have had them out within 24 hours. As it stands, it took 7 days, because they were black. The french quarter hotels were evacuated without any problem-because they were full of tourists. The french quarter is about 4 blocks from the stadium and the convention center. Yep, See, us dirty nasty Rebublicans planned the whole thing and we even take care to drive by the refugees in our caravans of supplies for the white folks. P.S - Been usuing this much?

Typical, you cannot argue with fact. Since you live in the most expensive state in the union, I am assuming that you are a neocon whitebread also and cannot understand poverty. Please argue any one of my points instead of posting spam.