Debate time- clark and the rest come play
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Topic: Debate time- clark and the rest come play
Posted By: Predatorr
Subject: Debate time- clark and the rest come play
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:47pm
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So i was watching WJLA which is news 7 here in virginia. The director or the owner (I dont know his status) of the NAACP was on the news today. He stated his thoughts on the response time of rescue personnel. He said and i quote " The slow response time by relief forces was based completely on race. If there would have been a majority of white folks there, we wouldn't have a catastophe". Now i also saw a mother with a baby on her hip on the news complaining that she now has no food, water, clothes, and her car was washed away. I personally think that if she listened and fled Louisiana instead of trying to sit this one through, this would not be an issue. Now after stating her needs she blamed the government for not bringing her these supplies. I call foul play on her part. Discuss |
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:50pm
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Of course! Us Racist, White, Christian Rebublicans built a giant hurricane machine to wipe out New Orleanes.
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:53pm
Exactly. I've been trying to kill every last white person I see, but I let a few get away. ------------- Something unknown is doing we don't know what. That is what our knowledge amounts to. - Sir Arthur Eddington |
Darur wrote:Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:54pm
| Meh, Its true. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:55pm
The argument was against african-americans, not whites . . . ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:58pm
Yup and it has been named, God.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:00pm
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I programmed the hurricane to not count the French as white.
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Posted By: Dead_George52
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:01pm
You're right, The smart people with MEANS to do so fled before the hurricane hit. The thousands that didn't flee are mostly poor people who couldn't afford to get out and miss work |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:03pm
Although the French Quarter (I think) was not really hit. I think you need to work on your programming skills, you kinda messed up our gas supply and now Bush wont make as much money. Smooth. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:04pm
Should have seen that comming from you  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:10pm
Well its a good thing that they stayed to keep their jobs running smoothly. -------------
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:11pm
Eh. Maybe I'll do better next time. -------------
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:11pm
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You think that the slow relief time was because new orleans is a predonminantly black area? I think personally that if anythings to blame its the constant looting. Our forces would be waiting with open arms and food instead of straight faces and M-16s if it werent for the looting. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:12pm
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yeah well if a bunch of **edited**ers weren't shooting at the helicoptors, they would be getting rescued quicker wouldn;t they????
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:13pm
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They were trying to attract attention. silly -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:15pm
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Uhh, Theguy, might want to edit your post . . .
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:28pm
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I think The Guy was being sarcastic... I'm sure the Mods will allow delicate use of "**edited**ger" in the appropriate context, although I figure The Guy is probably dancing on the line... Unless he isn't being sarcastic, in which case he's probably gonna get guested. It might be wise to edit anyway... |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:31pm
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seriously dude, but in all seriousness if it wasnt for the looting the help would be getting there. Im about to post something for you all to think about, its got stupid myspcae crap in it but think about the pictures....
HOSPiTALS HAVE NO POWER. THE DEATH COUNT RiSES EVERY MiNUTE. THiS iS NOT A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY, THiS iS THE UNiTED STATES.THiER ARE SO MANY PPL WHO READ THiS BULLiTiN AND THiNK NOTHiN OF iT AND JUST BRUSH iT OFF LiKE NOTHiNS HAPPEN ALL THEY THiNK iS GLAD THAT DiDN'T HAPPEN TO ME AND iF YOU DON'T RE POST THiS YOU HAVE NO HEART !!!!!!! |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:34pm
Bah I still dont see how shooting would help... -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:35pm
| I tend to agree that shooting at the rescue helicopters is probably counter-productive... People do strange things. |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:37pm
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I don't agree with the of showing dead soldiers, and I don't agree with the showing of dead victims.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:55pm
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IT'S AUTOMATTICLY RACIST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HELP RIGHT AWAY AND THE POPULATION JUST SO HAPPENS TO MOSTLY CONSIST OF BLACK PEOPLE! The people in the NAACP are dumb. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 12:25am
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Us not rushing in has nothing to do with race. People will do anything these days to draw attention to their cause. Do you know how long it takes to mobilize forces, they cant teleport or anything, stuff takes time. And ya know what else. People running around with guns, shooting at helocopters and hospitals and rescue personal and police officers WILL NOT GET YOU SAVED. As far as im concerned its their own fault it took so long. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Baroque-Urban
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:13am
yeah dont you know all us whiteys got together and had a big sacrifice to the white gods to smite new orleans.....
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:18am
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While I think the government completely dropped the ball as far as
Katrina goes and think that there should definately be heads rolling
after everyone is safe, I think the NAACP and basically the rest of the
black culture needs to get over themselves. Ok, you're black and you were done wrong 200 years ago, we get it and we're sorry about what our great great great grandfathers did to you. Also, you guys did right and faught for equality and finally got it about 50 years ago, and I agree that that was way over due too. That does not mean we owe you everything and that does not make you better than me. People of all races have been victimized over the years but that doesn't mean we have to become a culture of victims. Most of us are over the race thing, why can't you be? -------------  |
Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:20am
Exactly. Well that settles that. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:40am
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The only thing I'd like to point out is that a large number of those who didn't evacuate couldn't do so.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:08am
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Yeah, and a lot of the looters had to do so to survive too. ....for whatever thats worth...it's 3:08.. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:33am
Dont tell that to some people here. They believe that anything is possible. -------------
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:32am
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New Orleans is 70% black. ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: RedLion56
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:39am
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Maybe they were smokin the Rifa and got a lil bit high because no one in the right mind would shoot BANG BANG at people trying to save them maybe the people thought that the rescue personell were mini tornadoes (the thought scares me ------------- A5 12"Bigshot Pure energy 20ozCo2x2/AntiSyphon 32 degrees Black X_chamber Pen spring mod Polished Internals |
)Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:53am
beat me to it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:57am
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Once again, staying for your job was pointless.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 10:02am
The only thing that I think about is thst since they live on the zmississippi, they don't have flood insurance, and all their homes were flooded. So basically, the insurances companies won't pay a dime because of a loop hole... ------------- 
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Posted By: Frank Zappa
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 10:07am
| So could they torch their house and get through the loopholes loophole? |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 11:59am
It's easy to talk when you don't deal with the prospect of two or three hurricanes per year. Katrina killed thousands of people, many of whom live forty-five minutes away from the gravel in my driveway. If it had veered a little to the West at the last second, would you really be able to critisize me for not leaving? If it hadn't moved but still a tree had fallen and crushed my house, killing my little sister, would you really be able to critisize me for not leaving? Those two scenarios are extremely plausible, by the way. Here we deal with hurricanes all the time, and almost never does something like this happen. Further, during the hurricane, New Orleans wasn't nearly as bad off as they are now; most of the problems came after, when the levees broke. Private companies without engineers built some sections of that levee a long time ago, and overall it's rated to stand up to category three hurricanes. It just so happened that it was a category four. Do you know how rarely a hurricane, especially one so wide, keeps that much power after hitting land? Very rarely. It was bad luck. While in retrospect, it wasn't extremely prudent to stay, consider the situation in its entirety, not just what you see on CNN. Final Thoughts: The evacuation warning was issued only a day in advance. Around 1.3 million people used to live in the Greater New Orleans metropolitan area. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 11:59am
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If all those who couldnt get out went to the superdome and the other respected safe havens before NO was hit, and everyone with the means to leave did so, like we told them i might add, this would not be an issue. So i find it hard to feel bad for anybody but the elderly, sickly, and the children. You should have left, and if you couldnt, you should have gotten to the safe havens. And the forces with guns instead of food is from your poor descision to loot and steal and kill. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 12:00pm
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All I know is that we occasionally get tornado warnings up here. I always ignore them. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 12:43pm
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I lived in florida for 5 years.. I've been through my fair share of hurricanes.
If you live on the ocean and you are told to leave, and have thew ability to do so, but don't, and you die, I reserve little remorse for you. Sure, bad to see an innocent die, but all the people in New Orleans had two days of warnings to evacuate. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:02pm
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Yeah. Ejp, it wasnt the huricane that killed that many people. From my understanding, the death and destruction came after the huricane, because the levees broke. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:23pm
| A lot more of death was caused by riots in the streets. I hate to say it but mother nature is laying out the darwinian theory. She is also helping us to rebuild a city that was going downhill. When people die, there is a little less need for food and other supplies so it helps others. When something this big is destroyed, we are forced to rebuild and we usually do so very well. I hate to say it but we're giving more life than death. It would be smart if we put in a law making a two child limit. This way, our country would be balanced and the mass loss of life would bring room for a better change. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:24pm
Or they starved to death or dehydrated or weren't given proper medical care or were shot by gangstas...And I do not care what you say about "stuff takes time" it should not take that much time to help these people. This is supposed to be the most powerful, richest, best country in the world but we still allow people to die on the side of the road while they wait for water. The fact is that the government dropped the ball. In my opinion it is thier responsibility to not only be prepared for this type of stuff but to respond properly as to not see the same kind of crap that goes on when this stuff happens in the 3rd world. And rather these people should have evaced before the storm or not is irrevalent, that has nothing to do with the government's responsibility to help them. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:30pm
Hah! Instead of blaming God, you blame the woman, Mother Nature... I think this forum needs to feel some of this woman's wrath to cleanse it too. DISCLAIMER!!! I know I twisted pred's post for the sake of the joke! Dont get all worked up about it. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:31pm
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No.. This amount of devistation has NEVER happened. Do you remember last year? It took a while for the cherry pickers from up and down the east coast to get to florida.. These things take time. They dont have the proper stuff to deal with tens of thousands of people needing food and water just sitting in a warehouse next door. And on top of that, people were SHOOTING AT THE PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP THEM. I would have just as soon said, "Ok, screw it, make do if you are going to shoot at us." And leave them to their own devices and watch them all kill eachother. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:32pm
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I like how the Mayor of the New Orleans blamed the murderers and the crimes being committed on the crackheads looking for their drugs. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:34pm
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Eh, who cares what they were looking for. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:36pm
| The mayor blamed the government and the president on the radio last night. But then when the pres. came he was all warm and fuzzy. I think the mayor is a douche. In all honesty, hes a loser. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:39pm
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The mayor is frustrated and frazled, his town was trounced my the weather and he was helpless for like 5 days. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:41pm
| Yeah but still if youre the mayor of a big city like new orleans you shouldnt be bashing the government thats giving you help and support. Biting the hand that feeds you gets you nothing. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:44pm
I stated that very fact in my post, didn't I? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:12pm
Yes... I'm agreeing with you.. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:34pm
Ah, misunderstanding then. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:45pm
| Any one else hear what Kayne West said during a live concert that was raising money for the victiams? |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:56pm
Yes. He is an idiot. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:57pm
Agreed. I lost a lot of respect I had for him on that one comment. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:59pm
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Yeah, you can't be all that smart if you honestly believe that the president just "Doesn't care about black people." ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:52pm
  To add to predatorr's pics on the first page.... Simply horrible that our governemnt wont go in and save these people..just...despicable. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:55pm
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I just thought of something. You are knee deep in sewage and you want shoes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 4:29pm
| those are pictures of looting i might add. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:11pm
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:38pm
It is despicable. It is despicable in the same way that it is despicable to give robbers capital punishment, in the same way that it is despicable to let a wounded enemy soldier die in the scorching desert sand. They are robbers; do you let a robber die? These are not serial killers. These are citizens turned robbers amidst a national tragedy—looters. And in this way I could relate the current situation to the tax collector's whom Jesus defended in His own time. I'm not even a Christian. Imagine that. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:50pm
Show me this 'despicable act'
DId we not send Blackhawks and Coastguard choppers in right after they got the green light? Did we not send a convoy of busses? Didn't we just send more then 20,000 national guard soldiers there? -------------
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:59pm
Bugg: What is being labelled despicable is the hypothetical, "Let's not help them" attitude exuding from several forumers' posts. That is, it would be despicable to give robbers capital punishment, and it would be despicable to leave an enemy soldier dying and bleeding into the sand when there would be no problem in helping him (whether you agree with this statement or not, it is an objective fact that leaving a dying man to die in such a situation is an immoral act, as is believing someone is "lower than rats," and the Geneva Convention has no bearing on human morality). The actual rescuers, the ones who are not hypothetical, are given too little credit, in my opinion. It seems that we are in accord here from your post. I apologize for not making myself clear on that point. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 7:05pm
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And I apologize from jumping to conclusions.
Now I see you're point. But the whole thing is neither here nor there. Yes, the rescuers, coastguard, army, airforce and coastguard operating there, aren't given the proper thanks. I've heard stories where the choppers were actually shot at when helping people. It was earie, this morning I was watching the news and it showed two national guard soldiers walking down a street, and it was totally barren. Reminds me of Day of the Dead. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:15pm
Slight sarcasm, but seriously, look at the pictures. they are stealing shirts shoes and other non necessities, and the man has enough beer to kill him. They are obviously not concerned about the current situation they are in, so why worry about them? they seem fine to me, lets worry about the ones who want saved and deserve it. -------------
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 9:14pm
| I hear that, i see the people looting and whatnot, but what are you gonna do with all those shoes, and furthermore, where are you gonna put em!!?!?!? But if i was a rescue crew, id take everybody but the looters and people who killed and beat others. Then when they were near death id take em out. Just to teach them a lesson. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 10:07pm
Aren't you a conservative? It would save a lot of money to just take them out right away, rather than to make two trips, and plus you could put a stop to their looting if you arrest them immediately. (This post is semi-light-hearted.) ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 September 2005 at 12:59am
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Eh. The minute they started shooting at my rescue teams. I would have pulled the rescue teams away. I woulda come back next week. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 04 September 2005 at 1:05am
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I'm kinda surprised the national guard hasn't shot anyone yet....
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 September 2005 at 1:10am
Im waiting in eager anticipation. But, i dont think these morons have the testicular fortitude to start something with a man in camies carrying an M-16. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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