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Topic: War Or No War
Posted By: Aggie
Subject: War Or No War
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:19pm
Who here is for the war like me? If you ain't, tell me why.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:21pm
If it gets me cheaper gas prices, I am for it.

[/please note sarcasm.]

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:21pm
Yes i am for the war. But im against colon cancer.

Dune, it raised our gas prices.

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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:21pm
I'm not crazy about it, but I guess it's alright.

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:23pm
Kill um, Kill um all. 


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:30pm
Which war?


Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:32pm
here we go again with another 1 of these


Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Which war?


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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:34pm
huuuuuuuuhhhh im for it

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Posted By: Aggie
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:19pm
The War On Terror, or the street battles in Iraq.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:43pm
Im with hades, without the sarcasm. If it helps me with cheaper gs prices, nuke the bastards and take the oil.

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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:53pm
I could care less really. Last thing we need is some more terrorists, so i guess ill change that to im all for the war.  Final answer.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:58pm

Originally posted by Aggie Aggie wrote:

The War On Terror, or the street battles in Iraq.

Is that a question or an answer?



Posted By: TRC1040
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:03pm
I am for the war, but i think that it should get done really soon. it would be easier if more than 3 other countries actually cared about it

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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:07pm
i dont car about it...unless Gas Prices suddenly decrease

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Posted By: mutt98
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:20pm
i say bazooka them bimbos

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Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Im with hades, without the sarcasm. If it helps me with cheaper gs prices, nuke the bastards and take the oil.


You cant just nuke then take the oil.... Notice that nukes put big holes in the ground... It would pretty much waste the oil... Unless you plan to biohazardly nuke them.... which could damage the oil also?? but i could be wrong there


Posted By: TRC1040
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:33pm
i say just drop a hydrogen bomb, then we will have the buildings and the oil rigs. nothing will be touched

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:38pm

Err...

http://www.google.com - www.google.com

 



Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:44pm
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar all of the time! In the shaddows of the New York skyline! We grew up to fast! Falling apart! Like the ashes of american flags.

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Im with hades, without the sarcasm. If it helps me with cheaper gs prices, nuke the bastards and take the oil.

if we nuke them the oil will all burn up and we will be screwed twice and again

i'm against it because i don't think we are getting anywhere. we got Saddam out, we helped the Iraqis build a government, now let's leave before we lose another thousand soldiers. what else are we trying to accomplish?

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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:05pm
I am for the war them towel heads are crazy


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:06pm
Go back to your trailer.

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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:10pm
There isn't just one war overseas right now, if you didn't notice.

Afghanistan was a success, except losing that bin Laden guy, but overall good.

Iraq was a mistake and we need to get out as soon we're sure the country won't implode on itself.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:18pm

Originally posted by Hella Cool Hella Cool wrote:


Afghanistan was a success, except losing that bin Laden guy, but overall good.

 

I thought that was the whole point to the Afghanistan invasion...?

We actually issued a demand to the Afghani government - turn over bin Laden "or else".  Had they turned over bin Laden (and his people), I don't believe we would have invaded...

Failing at your primary objective doesn't make a mission a success, just because you happened to hit a couple of targets of opportunity, I would think.  No?



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:21pm
You ever go to the beach and beat against the waves? It seems thats basicaly what we did.

Take a glass of water, shoot it, break it, whatever. Glass of water is broken, the water is spread out, but its deffinatly still there. Same with the terrorists.

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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 6:53pm
^^^^^^^^^ good analogy

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by Dye Playa Dye Playa wrote:

^^^^^^^^^ good analogy

i concur.

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Posted By: Bounty
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:12pm
Im not so much for the war in Iraq but I support our troops and always will.


Posted By: FoRenSiC
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Hella Cool Hella Cool wrote:


Afghanistan was a success, except losing that bin Laden guy, but overall good.

 

I thought that was the whole point to the Afghanistan invasion...?

We actually issued a demand to the Afghani government - turn over bin Laden "or else".  Had they turned over bin Laden (and his people), I don't believe we would have invaded...

Failing at your primary objective doesn't make a mission a success, just because you happened to hit a couple of targets of opportunity, I would think.  No?


Bin Laden is probably dead, the passed videos that were issued were said to not have Bin Laden present but to have another guy(the leader after bin laden). And I am for the war because Iraq was a total disaster but now might be about the time to get out of there??


Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:29pm
The "War" is crap.

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by FoRenSiC FoRenSiC wrote:



Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Hella Cool Hella Cool wrote:

Afghanistan was a success, except losing that bin Laden guy, but overall good.



I thought that was the whole point to the Afghanistan invasion...?


We actually issued a demand to the Afghani government - turn over
bin Laden "or else". Had they turned over bin Laden (and his
people), I don't believe we would have invaded...


Failing at your primary objective doesn't make a mission a success,
just because you happened to hit a couple of targets of opportunity, I
would think. No?


Bin Laden is probably dead, the passed videos that were issued were
said to not have Bin Laden present but to have another guy(the leader
after bin laden). And I am for the war because Iraq was a total disaster but now might be about the time to get out of there??

that's probably their evil plan: make us think bin Laden is dead, we pull our troops out, they blow us up again.

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Posted By: iXteam
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:37pm
"War" what is it good for


Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by iXteam iXteam wrote:

"War" what is it good for


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:53pm
100% for it, even though it took forever to finish it. c'mon, 13+ years? Shoulda just displaced him the first time.

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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by Aggie Aggie wrote:

The War On Terror, or the street battles in Iraq.


Exactly, that is why people asked "which war"

Those are 2 different things, deserving of 2 different answers.


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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar all of the time! In the shaddows of the New York
skyline! We grew up to fast! Falling apart! Like the ashes of american
flags.

If the sun doesn't rise
We'll replace it with an H-bomb explosion
A painted jail cell of light in the sky
Like three-mile-island nightmares on TVs that sing us to sleep
They burn on and on like an oil field
Or a memory of what it felt like
To burn on and on and not just fade away
All those nights in the basement, the kids are still screaming
On and on and on and on


BRad

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Posted By: Fat Stalin
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 11:26pm
For. 

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 1:57am
Iraq: Never should have went, can't leave now.

WoT: An absolutely good thing that is being half-assed and lost.


Our only hope with Iraq is to get rid of King George and get someone that the world doesn't hate, that way maybe we can get some more help and fix things quicker. Right now all we can do is equip and support untill the job is done.

I just wish some justice would be done around here and someone would be held accountable for us ever going in.


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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:52am
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Hella Cool Hella Cool wrote:


Afghanistan was a success, except losing that bin Laden guy, but overall good.

I thought that was the whole point to the Afghanistan invasion...?

We actually issued a demand to the Afghani government - turn over bin Laden "or else".  Had they turned over bin Laden (and his people), I don't believe we would have invaded...

Failing at your primary objective doesn't make a mission a success, just because you happened to hit a couple of targets of opportunity, I would think.  No?


Mary Poppins says: A spoonful of sarcasm makes our failures seem ok, our failure seems ok.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 9:15am
:)


Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 12:02pm

I have mixed feelings about the war. But bottom line we are there so we need to support our troops and president.



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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 1:53pm

War suck's but I can't confidently say that our government is more wrong/right than the people that they are after.  



Posted By: Jinxed
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 1:55pm

I am for the war because the towel heads are gonna keep
driving up the gas prices. If we destroy Iraq, take the rigs for
America, gas prices will go down. Also, it's the fault of
corporations. They know that if they keep the gas in this country
scarce, people will pay more for it. Scarcify the gas, make
millions in cash. They're gouging us and until the gorvenment
does something about it, they'll keep doing it.

<and buh-bye to you.  complaining about the "towel heads" is not forum appropriate.  come back after you have read the rules.>



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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 1:58pm

Scarcify?

For some strange reason scarcify reminds me of hypmotize



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

War suck's but I can't confidently say that our government is more wrong/right than the people that they are after.



Right or Wrong is ultimatly in the eye of the beholder.

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Posted By: RedLion56
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:11pm

i say we end this war because the reason for this war is not good enough for us to sacrifice our own lives and family and also soldiers

as for america taking all the oil no offence but i think it's just greedy america already takes up to 50% of the worlds recources and is the main reason for global warming and the U.S.A doesen't seem to be doing anything at this moment.So if you want to take the gas prices down the use less fuel



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:23pm
Using less fuel wont drive down gas prices. But quitting the war would. Gas prices always skyrocket during times of war.

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Posted By: RedLion56
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 2:43pm
that's because tanks and navy ships and other military vehichles are not very fuel efficient

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Iraq: Never should have went, can't leave now.

WoT: An absolutely good thing that is being half-assed and lost.
Now.. if you want to be a technicality argueing liberal dove, then yes, they are different. But tell me how.

Last I checked we were fighting Al-Queda among other forces over in Iraq right now. Al-queda is a terrorist group, is it now?

We are fighting people that target civilians and government officals. They are people who try and scare people fromliving as normal of a life as you can over there.

Now, doesn't that definition mean terrorist?


IF this isn't a battle in the war on terror, then neither was Afghanistan. We went there to displace their current government as well, did we not?

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Posted By: Baroque-Urban
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Im with hades, without the sarcasm. If it helps me with cheaper gs prices, nuke the bastards and take the oil.


oh yeah


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 8:56pm

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


Last I checked we were fighting Al-Queda among other forces over in Iraq right now. Al-queda is a terrorist group, is it now?

But we could have set up camp anywhere, and Al-Qaeda would have come to us - they always come to us.  We could have invaded Toronto and we would be fighting Al-Qaeda right now.  Going into Iraq in the first place was not motivated by Al-Qaeda at all.



Posted By: ArmySyko
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 9:11pm
I voted 'no' and I don't think I have to qualify it for any of you.  I've served with pride for 12 years and I'm ready to call it quits after two deployments including "the box".  Live by what the vets that came home after Vietnam and that opposed the war would do:




Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 9:59pm
Clark, you're point is only mildly true.

Al-Queda is in force in iraq becasue they consider that land holy. Saying that wthye would have gone ot canada to fight a 'jihad' is just mollarky.

Yes, they would, and have, attacked us anywhere, but not in the same concentration, not with the same vigor, as they are in iraq.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 10:12pm
No, I agree - we made it easier for them to get lots of recruits by providing an excellent excuse for the local malcontents to hate us and join Al-Qaeda.


Posted By: theShocker
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 10:18pm

"I will not send American boys; to do a job that Asian boys otta be doin for themselves" LBJ

NO WMD at all, not event the ones we gave them back in the day.

NO ties to Al Queda, none whatsoever.

Freedom and democracy!? Not with 3 groups that can't agree on anything but hate agianst the US.

If anyone can post a good, logical reply as to why we should be at war I would like to hear it. If you want lower gas prices, you go die for them....

 



Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 06 September 2005 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


Last I checked we were fighting Al-Queda among other forces over in Iraq right now. Al-queda is a terrorist group, is it now?

But we could have set up camp anywhere, and Al-Qaeda would have come to us - they always come to us.  We could have invaded Toronto and we would be fighting Al-Qaeda right now.  Going into Iraq in the first place was not motivated by Al-Qaeda at all.




    Exactly. We made Iraq into a WoT front. It's like if the bloods and the crips came to your house for a gun fight. You had no love for either but your house is the one gettin shot up. We difinately are fighting the WoT there but the initial invasion had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. That is why I make the distinction. Not to mention some of those insurgents actually are Iraqis fighting for what they think their country should be, not just against the US. We're in the middle of a whole separate civil war on top of the AQ threat....Not that AQ isn't trying to sway the civil war but yeah...


And I really do think that we'd be fighting AQ in Toronto if we had invaded....Assuming NATO didn't get in on it first....lol...


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:10am
Shocker, you ask and you shall recieve.

"No WMD's"

Keep telling yourself that. He had them in the first Gulf War, did he not? He used them on the kurds in the 90's after the Gulf War, did he not? He never gave proof that he got rid of them, did he? He didn't lt the weapons inspectors do their jobs like he was required to, did he? He only let them go to certain places AFTER atleast a 2 week notice, didn't he? He threatened to use chemicle weapons on us when we first started sending troops into Kuwait, didn't he? He launched SCUD missles at us when were were bases in Kuwait, did he not?

I'll give you some time to get back to me on those questions.


"No connections to terrorist"

Really?

http://college.hmco.com/currentconflict/students/terrorism/timeline.html - No connections at all, huh?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp - Here


"Freedom and Democracy" Umm, correct me if I'm wrong shcoker, but don't we ALSO have 3+ groups vying for power? Republicans, Dems, Green party, etc etc


Have a nice time with that one, I'm off to school and football.



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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:59am

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

"No WMD's"

Keep telling yourself that. He had them in the first Gulf War, did he not?

The http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=3396 - President's own commission said that our intelligence was WRONG, as has been reported consistently for the last six months.

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

"No connections to terrorist"

Really?

Allow me first to point out what shocker said: 

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

NO ties to Al Queda, none whatsoever.

"Terrorists" =/= "Al-Qaeda"

Now, as to your point - yes, Saddam had dealings with terrorists.  Yes, Saddam had dealings with Osama.

A more accurate statement would have been that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.  But yes, Saddam did like to hang out with terrorists on occasion.

But if guilt by association is the standard, we should be invading Washington, D.C., no?  After all, Washington created, trained, and equipped both Saddam AND Osama, and was involved in the installation of the Taliban as well.

Yes, Saddam is a bad man.  But isn't that is a rather shaky and arbitrary standard to go invading countries?  Especially when we, and most of our allies, do the same thing all the time?



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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 11:44am
True that Ramb, there are a lot of countrys out there that are worse than Iraq ever was, North Korea for one, not to mention Iran and our beloved Saudi Arabia....

And yeah, Saddam had dealing with terrorists including Osama but you also have to understand that Osama hated Saddam as much as we did. He called him a communist and said he was going to hell for running a secular government. I bet Osama was dancing when we invaded....


And I'd like to see a photocopy of that memo....


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 12:34pm
In order to be more PC in this forum, I guess I must go no war (as long as Bush is President).


Yes, in order to justify the next phase in this "war on terrorism" we should pull out of Iraq, and any and all other theaters of counter terror operations and allow any and all terrorist organizations to wage thier war against America, here in America. American isolationism would serve many missions, first rid the world of American Occupations, provide safe and secure locations for radical Islam to claim thier initial victory against America, recruiting would be greatly enhanced based on thier victory, training would be uninterupted, and would provide a more extensive as well as safe logistical base for their war on the Great Satan.

And to please many we here in America will no longer call it a war, but a criminal prosecution. Our legal as well as media proffesions would be delighted. Would be easier to justify a apprehension of these criminals, we could then try them in our courts, use the American taxpayer dollars defending thier civil rights to hate America, quell a lot of the political debate, but we may have to suffer the loss of American civilian lives and maybe even some personal freedoms, while we battle on our streets and in our courts, against those who would do harm against Americans here in America. Many in America prefere it that way, as thier heads stay buried in the sand, and blame America (really George Bush) as the worlds only terrorist.

Or, we can wait for a Democrat to get into the White House, then the war on terrorism throughout the world will be instantly justified as legacy building.



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 12:35pm
Huh?


Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 12:59pm
Oh shut up....OS, you're partisanship gets more mind boggling everytime I read it...


Yeah man, us liberal commie terrorist lovers sure do want this war to come to the US...that would make all of us feel a lot better. You know it. God, how ignorant...


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:05pm
As well as the partisanship of all our resident leftests is mind boggling to me. What would out left leaning factions prefere in the current world situation.

We are not allowed to fight them over there, so where is this war to happen, choice is limited to there or here.

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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 1:29pm

It's really a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" argument.

Did our intervention overseas create their feelings twords the US or does their terrorist actions warrant our intervention?  I feel that it's a little of both but mostly the later. 

Like it or not someone has to "police"  this rock we call Earth.

I truely believe that our government's intention's are more right than wrong.  

 

 



Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 2:52pm

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:


... where is this war to happen, choice is limited to there or here.

I do not accept this soundbyte as evidence that we are in a binary solution set.  International power politics just aren't that simple, and I will not be lulled into accepting what amounts to a children's limerick as the foundation of our foreign policy.

I understand that Bush needs clever one-liners to punctuate his policies, and that's fine.  What is not fine is when people start taking those one-liners as literal truth.  That is nothing short of a blot on the claim of America as a land of rational thought.  We are better than this.

 



Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:


... where is this war to happen, choice is limited to there or here.

I do not accept this soundbyte as evidence that we are in a binary solution set.  International power politics just aren't that simple, and I will not be lulled into accepting what amounts to a children't limerick as the foundation of our foreign policy.

I understand that Bush needs clever one-liners to punctuate his policies, and that's fine.  What is not fine is when people start taking those one-liners as literal truth.  That is nothing short of a blot on the claim of America as a land of rational thought.  We are better than this.

 

You beat me to it Clark, come on!



Posted By: ArmySyko
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 4:17pm
We got totally upset over a couple thousand people.  Many more people have died in nations like Bosnia, Rwanda and Israel just to start.  Has the US intervened? Yes, but only have a wide media spread was put out there.

We didn't need to be there.  Now it's too late to do much about it.  It'll be our generations' Germany.  Don't just worry about a majority of you pre-18's that are out there.  You'll see the draft but our children will see the draft too.  People aren't flocking to the military with the huge bonuses.  2 out of 30 soldiers in my unit are looking at the bonuses but haven't accepted them yet.

Good luck to all-y'all and your Selective Service cards.


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 4:35pm
Would be interesting to see an actual idea from you two except your standard "anyone who thinks or believes differant than I is wrong, and this is why" approach. Just one idea from our freinds on the left, an actual plan to resolve these issues, a workable, fundimental peace plan, where man will finally respect his brother, and not desire what he has.(2000 plus years still hasn't happened)

I accept the fact that I did not spend my time nor have the opertunity, on getting all that formal education from our higher learning liberal establishments, and the repeated jabs on my grammer and writting skills are reflective of the "understanding" of my fellow man.

But it is still fun watching, reading and learning from the enemy, thier ideas, their believes and the way the belief in my fellow mans weakness has not diminished, as those who ridicule still believe they are superior in thought, mind and deed.

BTW, per my new disability (100% disabled per VA for both knee replacement), DOT disqualified, I am enrolling full time at the University of Nebraska Lincoln, per VA job retraining, 4 years, full paid with $1000 per month expenses on top of my retirement and disability. Broadcast Journalism or Law Enforcement (Parole, Probation Officer), so maybe one day I too can write and talk like all the more learned among you.

Keep paying those taxes, I am looking at a large cost of living adjustment.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:00pm
Once again why were you giving your name back after being guested? I'm trying to follow your arguments, but I can't find the points.


Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:08pm
Just proof that there is not justice for all, as in everything in the world, Real Life 101. My job is being the right wing agitator to combat the leftist indoctrination of the young here on the forum. To give them the other view, to balance the equation. Someone has to take up the cause and the mission, to voice the opposite view based on expierience and age. And yes, someone in the upper reaches believes it is a valuable asset to this forum.

And of course you can not follow, argue or find any points, for you only see the world through the limited prism of your own personal belief, just as inflexable as mine, only the foundations of our beliefs come from totally differant expieriences.

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Just one idea from our freinds on the left, an actual plan to resolve these issues, a workable, fundimental peace plan, where man will finally respect his brother, and not desire what he has.(2000 plus years still hasn't happened)


Silly man.

The only reason man fought each other is because there was no democratic party back then.
 

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:17pm

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Would be interesting to see an actual idea from you two except your standard "anyone who thinks or believes differant than I is wrong, and this is why" approach. Just one idea from our freinds on the left, an actual plan to resolve these issues, a workable, fundimental peace plan, where man will finally respect his brother, and not desire what he has.(2000 plus years still hasn't happened)

I will presume that I am one of "you two".

Well, OS, here is a suggestion:  Open your mind.  That, and read more before posting.

I am going to say this loud and clear, because apparently you missed it the first 1,000 times I posted this:

I SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ.  I SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.  I WAS HOPING THAT BUSH WOULD INVADE IRAQ.


(sorry for yelling)

So, OS, I actually AGREE with you on many of your substantive points.  And if you consider me "on the left", then you are someplace to the right of Hitler.  I hold many views that no Democrat would ever admit to, and even most Republicans will not voice in public.  If you actually read what I type, you would know this.

BUT - just because I agree with many of your conclusions does NOT mean that I have to accept your crappy reasoning and inane quasi-logic, and certainly does NOT mean that I have to accept your simplistic black-and-white view of the world.

Originally posted by OS OS wrote:

...the repeated jabs on my grammer and writting skills are reflective of the "understanding" of my fellow man.

I will not apologize for the occasional jab at your spelling.  Welcome to the internet.

But more importantly, I am usually not jabbing at your spelling - I am usually jabbing at your simplistic worldview and faulty logic, as well as your revisionist history.

Originally posted by OS OS wrote:

But it is still fun watching, reading and learning from the enemy, thier ideas, their believes and the way the belief in my fellow mans weakness has not diminished, as those who ridicule still believe they are superior in thought, mind and deed.

Again - this is the kind of "us vs. them" arrogant tripe that causes the ridicule.  And, believe me - when I am calling you arrogant, you have a problem.  Just because we are calling your bluff doesn't mean that we are wrong, or even that we disagree.



Posted By: agentwhale007.
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:21pm

Well its clear from what I can see that you hate America, Clark Kent.

I suggest you get out, and go live in France.

God Bless America.



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Posted By: ArmySyko
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Just one idea from our freinds on the left, an actual plan to resolve these issues, a workable, fundimental peace plan, where man will finally respect his brother, and not desire what he has.(2000 plus years still hasn't happened)


Silly man.

The only reason man fought each other is because there was no democratic party back then.
 


Wow, I hope there is sarcasm attached to this.  Religion existed long before government did.


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:24pm
I think you can safely assume that anything posted by Jim Paint or Whale is heavily coated in sarcasm...


Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by whack-a-mole whack-a-mole wrote:

I have mixed feelings about the war. But bottom line we are there so we need to support our troops and president.



Ill support the troops, you can support that scumbag all you want.


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 6:41pm
"scumbag"?, ye who maketh thy rules, follow not? Disappointment, in a moderator.

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

I think you can safely assume that anything posted by Jim Paint or Whale is heavily coated in sarcasm...


Once again.

I <3 Clark
 

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:


"Terrorists" =/= "Al-Qaeda"


Now, as to your point - yes, Saddam had dealings with terrorists. Yes, Saddam had dealings with Osama.

So wait, Rambino, you're saying Osoma is in no way, shape or form connect to Al-Queda? Can I have what you're smoking?



Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Oh shut up....OS, you're partisanship gets more mind boggling everytime I read it...
Wow, you're one to talk.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Can I have what you're smoking?


Who the hell says that anymore?



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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Can I have what you're smoking?


Who the hell says that anymore?


Linus
 

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Posted By: MoNkeY Hunter
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:48pm
Im for the war on bad folks but i DONT A GREE with us still over there and for the person incharge of this country, Gas cost way to much and to many people are dying so i suport the troops but not the War. The price of stuff is way to much.... not cool


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by MoNkeY Hunter MoNkeY Hunter wrote:

Im for the war.....so i suport the troops but not the War.


Re read what you just posted.


And we didn't go over there for gas like so many liberals claim.

Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:


Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Can I have what you're smoking?


Who the hell says that anymore?


Linus
Damn straight

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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

Originally posted by whack-a-mole whack-a-mole wrote:

I have mixed feelings about the war. But bottom line we are there so we need to support our troops and president.



Ill support the troops, you can support that scumbag all you want.
   Bush is not the best president, but he does take more than he deserves.

This a funny topic. Usually people on the internet are 100% against the war, and are huge Bush haters.



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It's been changed jackass.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:44pm
Yes, I agree, Bush isn't the best president we've had, but he's better then CLinton.

Plus, atleast Bush sticks by his decsions no matter who is against him. That's admirable and honorable IMO.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:47pm
Terrorists decided to stick to their plans and kill innocent people. Is that admirable and honorable?

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Yes, I agree, Bush isn't the best president we've had, but he's better then CLinton.

Plus, atleast Bush sticks by his decsions no matter who is against him. That's admirable and honorable IMO.


Also admitting when you're wrong.
 

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 8:53pm
Cedric, your ignorance astounds me sometimes.

Never take place in political discussion, you don't know how to.

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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Yes, I agree, Bush isn't the best president we've had, but he's better then CLinton.

Plus, atleast Bush sticks by his decsions no matter who is against him. That's admirable and honorable IMO.


Also admitting when you're wrong.
 
  He can't admit he is wrong when he is right.

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It's been changed jackass.


Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:59pm
Linus: Whatever, I personally don't like party politics and I hardly ever argue that way. I argue against the Bosh administration and the things they are doing that I view as wrong. That doesn't make me partisan....


OS: Even if it was "over there or over here" did ya ever think there might be better "over there"s out there to spend American blood and treasure on? Ya know, some we might have been justified in invading, like Iran or Syria or North Korea for instance?


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Cedric, your ignorance astounds me sometimes.

Never take place in political discussion, you don't know how to.

Hahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha. Jesus, that was good.


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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

"Terrorists" =/= "Al-Qaeda"

Now, as to your point - yes, Saddam had dealings with terrorists. Yes, Saddam had dealings with Osama.

So wait, Rambino, you're saying Osoma is in no way, shape or form connect to Al-Queda?

Please explain how on Earth you managed to extract what you posted from my statement. 

 



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Posted By: Geoduck
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:40pm
I agree with Cedric because flip-floppers will analyze things and make strategic adjustments rather than zerg rush until the game's over (which will take a long time and will cost several poor little zergling lives).

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:43pm


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Posted By: Geoduck
Date Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:45pm


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 7:18am
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

"Terrorists" =/= "Al-Qaeda"

Now, as to your point - yes, Saddam had dealings with terrorists. Yes, Saddam had dealings with Osama.


So wait, Rambino, you're saying Osoma is in no way, shape or form connect to Al-Queda?


Please explain how on Earth you managed to extract what you posted from my statement.


Look at what I quited.

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 9:29am

I read what you quoted.

Now please answer my question - how did you manage to arrive at your conclusion from my post?  Please explain your thought process.



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Posted By: Geoduck
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 2:35pm
Well geez maybe it's because Al-Qaeda are terrorists and that Osama is the Al-Qaeda leader.


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Calling Bush dumb is like calling a headless man blind.


Posted By: Geoduck
Date Posted: 08 September 2005 at 2:35pm
*shrinks away* PLZ DON'T BAN ME

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