ball chops
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Category: Paintball Equipment
Forum Name: Gun Maintenace and Repair
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Topic: ball chops
Posted By: bronco9588
Subject: ball chops
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 9:35pm
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I went pballing this weekend, and i choped a lot, a lot. It was easily once every game. And then i lost all acuracy. I use a 98c with a gravity hopper. Im thinking im outshooting the hopper. What do you think?
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Posted By: tigman250
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 10:14pm
what are your ups? do you have any firepower ups? were you using crappy paint?
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 10:37pm
Where is the broken paint?
Is it only in the barrel, or in the breech.
Breech
Barrel
- check your velocity
- check your paint
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 11:07pm
it was all in the breech. I have no idea how many BPS i was shooting, but i would chop quite often when the firefight got exciting. And my accuracy became like . The paint was awesome. I got a case of 2000 from countypaintball.com. 45$ included shipping, and it was as good as draxxus blaze, if not better. Since my gun crapped out on me (learning some lessons on the 98) I gave my more experienced frined (who shots a stock 98) my bigshot and 200 balls of paint. He became twice as good. 3 kills in 2 minutes. It was awesome to watch.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 11:25pm
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Sounds like you were outshooting your hopper.
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Posted By: Sureshot3091
Date Posted: 11 September 2005 at 11:29pm
bronco9588 wrote:
3 kills in 2 minutes. It was awesome to watch. |
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Do I even have to say it?
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:01am
OMG HE SAID KILLS THAT WILL END THE SPORT OF PAINTBALL AS WE KNOW IT!
Anyways, just buy a new hopper, that's electric, I'd reccomend a Viewloader Revolution, or an Empire Reloader 2.
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Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 4:16am
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bronco9588 wrote:
I went pballing this weekend, and i chopped a lot, a lot. It was easily once every game. And then i lost all accuracy. I use a 98C with a gravity hopper. I'm thinking I'm outshooting the hopper. What do you think? |
If you are running a 98C in stock configuration you are not out shooting your gravity feed hopper. A gravity feed hopper with good paint (not old with flat spots or sticky from moisture or heat) can handle 11+ bps. And if you are running a stock 98C you cannot fire faster than 11 bps.
Don't spend money on a new electric hopper until you solve the chopping problem. Check such things as the cleanliness of the hopper throat and the marker feed neck. Make sure the hopper is seated full depth into the neck. Make sure there is no trash, such as pieces of shell, partially jamming the forward bolt. Make sure the leading edge of the forward bold is not damaged (such as a nick from a squeegee pulled through the barrel.
I have had problems with chops that were fixed by replacing the forward bolt. Installed a new Tippmann part and the problem went away. Have also seen chopping problems go away when a Palmer Stabilizer was installed and pressures reduced to 550 psi.
Then again, sometimes when marker was working perfectly with one paint, switched to another and chopped every 5th ball. Went back to previous paint and all the problem went away. Some good paint is just too fragile to shoot well in a Tippmann. Paint that has been stored for a couple of months in too warm temps gets a little egg shaped. That will chop like crazy.
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 4:03pm
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first off, gravity only feeds about 6 bps. and i can walk this mech faster that 6 cps with the trigger mods ive done.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 4:37pm
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It is almost inevitable to get chops with a basic hopper if shooting even a little fast.
Yes, a gravity hopper can in theory feed 11-13 bps or so. But in real life balls get snagged, temporarily clogged, bump into each other, and generally don't fall smoothly into the gun. These are all the things that a Revvy fixes, which is why a Revvy can reliably feed 11-13 bps and a VL200 can not.
If you like to lay on the trigger on any gun, then an agitated hopper (at least) is an absolute must. For $35 or less you can get a Revolution, which should solve your problem.
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 6:59pm
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its not a problem anymore. I got a Q-loader which shoots 31 bps coming in the mail.
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 5:07pm
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Still chops with the Q-loader. Im thinking its the paint, velocity, or the ball detent. However, i dont see how an old ball detent would be the problem.
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Posted By: Sureshot3091
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:38pm
.....Why did you get a QLoader? There's no firepower upgrades at all are there?
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:30pm
i bought it with the intentions of upgrading later, and to get the hopper off the top of the gun. Firepower will be one of my last upgrades, but the mech is pretty walkable.
anyways, what are the chances of getting a case of paint prone to chopping?
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 11:10pm
I like evil paintballs. I would check to make sure that the ball detent is situated in the right spot. Make sure that there isn't any busted paint in the hopper, feedneck, chamber, etc.
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 6:10pm
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can the ball detent slide around?
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 4:49am
Sureshot3091 wrote:
.....Why did you get a QLoader? There's no firepower upgrades at all are there?
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The Qloader is considered by some to be a Fire Power Upgrade and it does what it is stated in Qloader.com, I have it on my 98c w/RT, Sweet Spotted the RT a few times, shooting 15 BPS and no ball chops.
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Posted By: bronco9588
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 4:12pm
they are beautiful. Where did you mount yours to on the 98?
Im having trouble deciding. Anyways, do you still use the stock elbow?
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Posted By: tpitman
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 1:00pm
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Newb question: what is "firepower" referring to here?
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Posted By: TIPPINMAN
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 12:38am
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i just got my 98c 2 day ago it shot fine the first day the second day it started shoting out paint i think it was because i was pull the trigger to fast for rapid shots to see want the gun can do before i get shot in a field game so that was the only time balls broke i am use some no name paintball that the guy at the shop say there were tippmann ball want is at good ball to use for a beginner an should i upgrade the hopper to the cyclone feeder or get the r/t added or just put a j&j barrel on it is not shoting ball straight want is up with that please help i love my tippmann it sounds mean when i shot it thanks 
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Posted By: A-5_massacre
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 1:34am
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Never use a gravity hopper when shooting 15 and higher. They dont load as fast and they chop alot.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 6:38pm
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A-5_massacre wrote:
Never use a gravity hopper when shooting 15 and higher. They dont load as fast and they chop alot. |

Are you serious?
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Posted By: A-5_massacre
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 1:11am
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Actually I am. If you are shooting faster than 15 get an electronic hopper. Your just dumb if you don't. You will find yourself chopping more paint then you are shooting it down the field.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:20pm
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Sorry, but Gravities feed like 5 bps.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 9:10pm
bronco9588 wrote:
they are beautiful. Where did you mount yours to on the 98?
Im having trouble deciding. Anyways, do you still use the stock elbow? |

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Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 2:07am
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 2:26am
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A-5_massacre wrote:
Actually I am. If you are shooting faster than 15 get an electronic hopper. Your just dumb if you don't. You will find yourself chopping more paint then you are shooting it down the field. |
Lets get a few facts on the table. A mechanical semi-auto trigger on a Tippmann cannot exceed 8-9 bps in the most skilled trigger-walking hands. An R/T properly adjusted can exceed that.
The most skilled pro shooter using an electronic double trigger set for true semi-auto mode (no bounce and no ramping) cannot exceed 15 bps. No one tested on Pro teams can even hold that for more than a split second. Best continuous is about 11 bps. A gravity feeder can actually keep up with 11 bps. It just tends to get clogged in the feed neck, which it does even when fired slowly, requiring you to shake the thing to get paint moving. A gravity feed with an agitator will easily do the trick. (even when a gravity feeder stops flowing, it usually doesn't cause a chop...there is just no ball in the chamber when the trigger is pulled)
Claims of 20 bps from an electronic set to true semi-auto mode are a prevarication. A semi-auto player exceeding 15 bps is not a fast fingered skilled player, he's a cheater with a marker modified to get around the rules.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 6:20pm
Bruce A. Frank wrote:
A-5_massacre wrote:
Actually I am. If you are shooting faster than 15 get an electronic hopper. Your just dumb if you don't. You will find yourself chopping more paint then you are shooting it down the field. |
Lets get a few facts on the table. A mechanical semi-auto trigger on a Tippmann cannot exceed 8-9 bps in the most skilled trigger-walking hands. An R/T properly adjusted can exceed that.
The most skilled pro shooter using an electronic double trigger set for true semi-auto mode (no bounce and no ramping) cannot exceed 15 bps. No one tested on Pro teams can even hold that for more than a split second. Best continuous is about 11 bps. A gravity feeder can actually keep up with 11 bps. It just tends to get clogged in the feed neck, which it does even when fired slowly, requiring you to shake the thing to get paint moving. A gravity feed with an agitator will easily do the trick. (even when a gravity feeder stops flowing, it usually doesn't cause a chop...there is just no ball in the chamber when the trigger is pulled)
Claims of 20 bps from an electronic set to true semi-auto mode are a prevarication. A semi-auto player exceeding 15 bps is not a fast fingered skilled player, he's a cheater with a marker modified to get around the rules.
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I am going to have to seriously doubt that, considering I (ME!) can hit 16 with no bounce or ramp.
Proof?
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