Ions are crap
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Topic: Ions are crap
Posted By: tightness79
Subject: Ions are crap
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:52am
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ok buddy, you wanted it, so here it is. Ions are poorly made guns and they are plastic crap. If you buy one then your stupid as no one will want them in a few months, ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:52am
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Tell me something new.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:54am
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im not defending em but atleast have a good point they are only plastic on the outside.....ever wondered why they are so inexpensive? |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:59am
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Because they are poorly made guns by SP. Way to go SP, they made a cheap gun that has sold very well. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:59am
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Actually the outside isent even plastic..i forget what its called but its not plastic..check the smartparts site or pbnation they talk about it alot there ------------- 
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:01am
It is plastic, plastic is just a broad term used to decribe what happens when stress is applied to it, not sure what kind though... ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
DracoPlasm wrote:Posted By: Psyrecx
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:10am
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It's plastic polymer, reinforced with a rubber outer layer. ------------- 
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:12am
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hmm i dont really care for ions, but there somewhat of good guns...
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Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:27am
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Yes, somewhat good, because they can shoot fast. That is all! ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:30am
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And your ANuS focker is better? I say, not. Edit- Consider price. |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:33am
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HAHA, ok buddy, i would take any cocker, with any body on it anyday over some crappy plastic gun. The price, yea, it cost more because it is made A LOT better. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:38am
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heh... ans is soo much worse than sp... plus it's a cocker... i mean... rip on it and the kick that the gun has will knock you on your butt..
ions are small, light, fast, consistent with a new reg. the only thing i see wrong with em are the internals... the noid is just hangin out there w/o any casing. |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:39am
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Are you kidding me!! KICK, on my cocker, how about.... no ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:50am
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Impulse > Ion Smart Parts made a good, and bad move at the same time. I like there move because it gets more people into the sport without paying for the hefty price tag. But I also hate it because alot of companies/people are now drooling over them, instead of the Impulse. Alot of companies felt a Hit when the Ion came out because most of them were geared toward the impulse, but the Ion has made countless ammounts of money for shop owners which is good. I don't care what people have to say about the Impulse it is a fantastic marker sure they need a little bit of TLC and money, but some of the best markers I have shot were Impulses... Now I'm not saying the Impulse is the messiah of paintball which it is far from, but the Ion is also not king crap of the neighborhood either, I find it funny when people just completly get on there hands and knees for the Ion, and throw $400 into it, when they could of bought a Shocker, or an Intimidator. Besides the $300 price tag I really don't see how the Ion could keep going in sales... Unless you use a QEV the thing will never hit over 17bps+ So why the Hell spend all the extra $$$ thinking it will? But with the Shocker/Impulse you know when you spend just $250 into it(Magnetic Trigger, WAS board, Derlin Bolt etc..), they will perform incredible. Smart Parts is doing somthing to the Impulse right now... I don't know what there thinking of, but since this Ion is out why keep the Impulse around? I've heard rumors of somthing odd is going to happen to it in 06' but I don't know yet... ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:54am
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I concur Panda Man ------------- 
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Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 2:11am
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Me too ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 6:17am
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i'm not much of an ion person either. ------------- 
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 6:57am
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Ahahahahaha he has a GX3. Glad I got a B2k4 w/ PDS instead of an Ion.
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Posted By: blandpart2
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 7:05am
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Ions are good.
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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 7:08am
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 9:41am
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the thing with smart parts is they release their gear before its ready. or with magor defects that need upgrading before they can preform.
the new shocker had a recall on the bolt or ram within the first year dident they? tape worm/lpr they put an upgrade into the 02 shocker after how many years of it being out? then took it off the market... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 9:50am
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they also did a recall on most Nerves, somthing went sour on there LPR's and they craped out.
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:37pm
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I don't mind ions, I think they are ok. Not the best, but ok. ------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: Mephistopheles
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 1:43pm
Now I may not be a fan of the Ion, or Smart Parts' business practices, but at least have a good arguement. You just look foolish when you make comments like these. Plus I guarantee you've never even seen an Ion, let alone taken apart one to see the design, to base any judgement on them. So congrats on criticizing that which you know nothing about, again see point about looking like a fool. Otherwise you would have known that the interior is indeed metal, it's just an exterior shell that is plastic. But you would only know that if you've seen an Ion yourself. Oh yeah, you didn't, gotcha! ------------- http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=166647&PN=1"> 
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 2:11pm
hah... meph makes a surprise appearence to own the kid... 
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 4:42pm
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My Ion is 1000% more reliable then my Impulse...the Ion is lighter smaller and is super upgradeable ------------- http://www.freewebs.com/outlawspaintball/index.htm - Outlaws *Sponsors* http://www.abrika.ca - Abrika |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 4:42pm
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So,
your saying that Glocks are cheap plastic peices of crap also?? Cause
if im not mistaken, Glocks are made out of the same material, and can
withstand hell and still fire correctly.
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 7:46pm
| This coming from a guy with a ANS focker |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 8:30pm
Dear god, do NOT get me started on what is wrong with the impulse* *everything ------------- 
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Posted By: ultimatetrooper
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 8:37pm
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Ions arnt plastic..they are allumnium under their shell..You noob, do your research. ------------- 
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Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 8:41pm
| I've been against ions ever since the board problems and severe leaking screwed my friend on a gameday. And no, he didn't have too high of pressure or get it wet. I don't like the feel or the looks either. |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 8:46pm
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I'm so glad that I did not get an Ion as well, and I also went with a Bushmaster, go me! ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 10:02pm
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thank you! |
Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 10:20pm
| iv had my ion for a few months now and i havent had a problam yet |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 11:00pm
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hey look, a typing testical
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 11:31pm
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they fall apart in your hands and you get a new unheard of malfunction everytime you are out on the field ------------- http://www.freewebs.com/outlawspaintball/index.htm - Outlaws *Sponsors* http://www.abrika.ca - Abrika |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 12:55am
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Ok, so what does that mean, my body is ANS, so if i had a EGO, you gonna call it a focker and make fun of it? ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:14am
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I've had most all of smart parts guns and I would agree totally with
the point that they release relatively untested guns. I am still
upgrading my Nerve. Yes, the upgrades may be free but they are still a
pain in the butt. I would have and hoped they would have learned from
the past to test and retest and then release thier products. In their
defence they do have pretty awesome guns once you get past all the
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:28am
yup... cause an ego is a cocker knock off... you can just stop replying to this thread now... you are just digging yourself into a hole |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:29am
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Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:49am
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HAHA, nope, its not going to happen. Yes, it is a cocker knockoff, but you and I and everyone knows that it is a lot nicer gun than the Karni, so dont say that since the body is non-wgp that it is a pile of crap. And the point of the thread, has been made, Ions are crappy guns, and for the most part the only people who like them are people who have spent the money on them and are trying to make themselfs feel better about spending the money on that junk. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:55am
| i still don't think that you really made your point... i have shot one... it's a nice gun. the important parts aren't plastic. they are fast enough to keep up with most high ends speed and consistency wise. i agree that there is a lot of hype that was incorporated with the release of this gun, but it is not a pile of crap. and the only argument you have put up is "oh it's plastic... it's junk. |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 2:08am
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Ok, they are cheaply made is the biggest thing that i am trying to say. THey make the inner shell out of cheap aluminum and the outter one with plastic. The board is capped at 17 bps, haha, thats a joke. The stock Reg is crap, the stock barrel blows, the trigger is plastic too, and the noid is not covered. I could go on and on, look, if you drop a lot of money into the gun it might preform ok, but it is still not worth the 285 for the gun in its stock form. And for that price you can pick up some nice used guns that will have less leaks than an Ion out of the box. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 2:11am
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But i will give you the fact that the gun is much lighter compared to my cocker and runs at a lower PSI, but the 200 PSI difference I dont notice. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: Mephistopheles
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 8:22am
Sort of like you and your 'cocker. It's junk but you're trying to defend it. ------------- http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=166647&PN=1">
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:06pm
| well they make new alluminum bodies for the ion so if you get one of those doenst that leave you with no argument? theres nothing wrong with the ion, its just an entry level high end gun if you will, they shoot well and its compact and light. yeah its plastic... but when was the last time you threw your gun down on the ground, or tried to melt it? didnt think so, having the body made of plastic doent make it a flaw. and after all of this, it comes down to the fact that, its the player not the marker. |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 1:19pm
ding ding ding we have a winner! i'll give you the argument about the reg and the barrel, but with any gun that price you can't expect to get a ultralight and a 2 liter reg. the ion i've played with was actually quite consistent with a mac dev adjustable tank on it with the stock reg. the trigger... yeah it's plastic... but set right can still rip. what's wrong with 17 bps? between rof caps in tournaments that allow ramping and the select few that can pull a legit 17 it's fine... the noid argument i brought up earlier... that's the only thing i see wrong with it for the $285 price tag i think it's fully worth the money... look at the other guns you get for that price... bushmasters, bko, a-5... it's lighter, smaller, and probably faster than all of those. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 2:24pm
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2 things
1 isent the noid inturnal? that makes a cover null because the grip acts as a cover... just like the impy, brick, bushy, probly shocker, all electro spyders and electro tippmanns... and 2 ive heard alot of bad things about glocks... after some of the things ive heard and seen i would much rather get a USP or 1911...mabe even one of those new fangled XD pistols ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 2:54pm
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What?! Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Ions kick worse than autocockers dude. |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 2:34am
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I have to say I agree with most of what you said...but disagree that an upped Ion is still a "cheap imitation" (that's my assessment of the nay-sayers' opinions). It's true that the Ion will only shoot 17 bps...but not because of the lack of, or addition of, a QEV...but because that's what the board is capped at. The QEV only allows the marker to achieve it's max-out faster. I'm not much of an Imp fan myself, but I absolutely LOVE a good Shocker. The Ion (and Wrath) is to paintball, what the Glock is to firearms...an inexpensive alternative to a comparable item. I'm sure LaSoya won't be shooting an Ion...but then, most of us aren't LaSoya...an ubercheater with a lousy idea of "fair-play." I'd be willing to bet that the Ion (and Wrath as it's competitor)was produced to draw the crowds in from Kingman and Tippmann. However...the Ion and Wrath weren't really designed for woodsball or scenario games. They were introduced as a cheaper alternative for those of us who really can't afford the high-enders and engage in tourney-play. And since alot of fields are adopting the 15bps rule, a cheater board isn't much use to anyone. The difference between an upped Ion and any other high-ender is that...most of us can't afford the high-ender right off the bat. Timmies, Shockers, Angels...I'll even go as far as to say an Imp...is alot of change at one time...where-as, we can get an Ion at +/-$280 and slowly add the ups---as we
I dare to say that...as I view the pages of this forum, I see as many upgrades to the various Tippmans--almost as many as other markers including the Ion. I often see posts about "tippmans in a tourney?" or "full-auto **this-and-that**" and have to laugh when I see "Ions stink because______!" The fact remains that the Ion (at least, mine anyway) is good right from the box...as are Spyders, Mavericks, Phantoms, Shockers, Imps or Angels and yes...Tippmans. So the Ion is a good "entry-level Tourney gun. It's got a polymer outter shell...really...so what? It's just as good for the woods as it is on an X Field. Sure it doesn't have the look everyone wants...but then again...a Camaro and a Stang...performances being equal, which of the two do you like? |
Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 2:43am
I disagree completely. My team mate's 02 Cobra Angel kicks more than my Ion...although, I've not shot an AC, so I can't speak to that. And the stock reg isn't all that bad...it does tend to creep some and I changed mine to a CP reg...a world of difference IMO. Oh...the stock barrel is actually pretty good with bigger paint, but I shoot medium paints and it's horrible with that. And the Ion's noid is inside the frame...what's the problem with that? I think I'd rather have the microlines in there, rather than take a direct hit to a 3-way and loose the hose and barb(s)...taking me out until repairs are made. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 2:50am
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out of all the guns I've shot, cockers have the most recoil. However
its not even noticeable on many other guns. My tribal has a decent
amount of kick too. I barely notice it. Mainly because on the back block's (or bolts) return trip, any kick is compensated for by moving in the other direction. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 1:37pm
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IMO the best thing about the Ion is that it made all other manufacturers decrease the cost of the mid level markers.
You can now buy a Proto Matrix for $600 or a Blob Long Defiant 2 for $650 or so, even SP has 2k5 Shockers for $600 or so. The B2K4 is less than $300 now that the Ion has set the precedent that you do not need to spend more than $300 or so to get a fully functional tournament (entry) level marker. I have even seen Angel G7s for less than $800. So...I say good job Smart Parts on making paintball more affordable to the average person who wants a nice electro marker. Edit: I have had an Ion since February and have had no problems...so what if it is made of plastic...I don't care if it is made of jello...if it works everytime I want it to with no problems, I really don't care And I can't shoot 17bps anyway on any marker(without help). ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 2:14pm
| the problem with the noid that i'm talking about is that inside the grip frame there's no casing besides the frame itself. you take the gun apart and theres a little coil of wires just chillin in the harness... when you're playing its not a big deal... but i would rather have a plastic or metal cover over it so i can't see the wires... it would make me feel safer about rippin apart the gun. |
Posted By: shiftykyle101
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 4:14pm
| Ions are great guns. Fake autocockers are not. |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 5:26pm
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I'm pretty sure that the board was intentionally capped so it wouldn't exceed the Shocker. Not sure if that's been said but oh well. I like my Ion even though I could've gotten something much better with $300. The body is plastic... so? I'd rather scratch a plastic body than an aluminum one that costs $100+ to re-anno. Oh well this has pretty much been beat into the ground... Ion > mech cockers. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> 
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Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 5:47pm
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HAHA, yea the Ego is a pile of crap because WGP did not make it, and all turtled cockers. The only thing that an ion has over a MECH. cocker is the speed, thats all. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 5:52pm
Weight? Size? You don't have to time it? Quit defending your case, you're aren't going to win because the facts are against it. BTW, the Ego is an Electro-Pneu, not a 'Cocker. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 8:18pm
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They are not cheaply made just because they are plastic and you don't like them. They are a much more succesful gun than whatever you have. ------------- 
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Posted By: tightness79
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 9:11pm
Much more succesful than an E2'ed cocker (go ahead and call it a focker, the only differnce is the body, and that is all) yea, your smart. ------------- Ans GX-3 Dye ultra light E2 JAckhammer LPR ANS gen-x 2 reg eclipse QEV's nexus ram Egg 2 68/3000 carbon fiber tank Uni-mount |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 9:16pm
He's not the one who thought an Ego was a Cocker. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Cormier
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 9:28pm
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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 3:51am
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I'm getting this...black to blue fade
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 3:55am
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