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Posted By: Badsmitty
Subject: 100k protestors this weekend.
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:02pm
Anti-War Demonstrators March on Washington
By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press WriterSun Sep 25, 3:35 AM ET
Crowds opposed to the war in Iraq surged past the White House on Saturday, shouting "Peace now" in the largest anti-war protest in the nation's capital since the U.S. invasion.
The rally stretched through the day and into the night, a marathon of music, speechmaking and dissent on the National Mall. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that."
Speakers from the stage attacked President Bush's policies head on, but he was not at the White House to hear it. He spent the day in Colorado and Texas, monitoring hurricane recovery.
In the crowd: young activists, nuns whose anti-war activism dates to Vietnam, parents mourning their children in uniform lost in Iraq, and uncountable families motivated for the first time to protest.
Connie McCroskey, 58, came from Des Moines, Iowa, with two of her daughters, both in their 20s, for the family's first demonstration. McCroskey, whose father fought in World War II, said she never would have dared protest during the Vietnam War.
"Today, I had some courage," she said.
While united against the war, political beliefs varied. Paul Rutherford, 60, of Vandalia, Mich., said he is a Republican who supported Bush in the last election and still does — except for the war.
"President Bush needs to admit he made a mistake in the war and bring the troops home, and let's move on," Rutherford said. His wife, Judy, 58, called the removal of Saddam Hussein "a noble mission" but said U.S. troops should have left when claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction proved unfounded.
"We found that there were none and yet we still stay there and innocent people are dying daily," she said.
"Bush Lied, Thousands Died," said one sign. "End the Occupation," said another. More than 1,900 members of the U.S. armed forces have died since the beginning of the war in March 2003.
Thousands of people attended smaller rallies in cities on the West Coast, including Los Angeles, San Diego, San Franciso and Seattle.
In Washington, a few hundred people in a counter demonstration in support of Bush's Iraq policy lined the protest route near the FBI building. The two groups shouted at each other, a police line keeping them apart. Organizers of a pro-military rally Sunday hoped for 10,000 people.
Ramsey said the day's protest unfolded peacefully under the heavy police presence. "They're vocal but not violent," he said.
By early evening, police reported three arrests, all for minor offenses.
Arthur Pollock, 47, of Cecil County, Md., said he was against the war from the beginning. He wants the soldiers out, but not all at once.
"They've got to leave slowly," said Pollock, attending his first protest. "It will be utter chaos in that country if we pull them out all at once."
Folk singer Joan Baez marched with the protesters and later serenaded them at a concert at the foot of the Washington Monument. An icon of the 1960s Vietnam War protests, she said Iraq is already a mess and the troops need to come home immediately. "There is chaos. There's bloodshed. There's carnage."
The protest in the capital showcased a series of demonstrations in foreign and other U.S. cities. A crowd in London, estimated by police at 10,000, marched in support of withdrawing British troops from Iraq. Highlighting the need to get out, protesters said, were violent clashes between insurgents and British troops in the southern Iraq city of Basra.
In Rome, dozens of protesters held up banners and peace flags outside the U.S. Embassy and covered a sidewalk with messages and flowers in honor of those killed in Iraq.
Cindy Sheehan, the California mother who drew thousands of demonstrators to her 26-day vigil outside Bush's Texas ranch last month, won a roar of approval when she took the stage in Washington. Her 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Iraq last year.
"Shame on you," Sheehan admonished, directing that portion of her remarks to members of Congress who backed Bush on the war. "How many more of other people's children are you willing to sacrifice?
She led the crowd in chanting, "Not one more."
Separately, hundreds of opponents of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund danced to the beat of drums in the Dupont Circle part of the city before marching toward the White House to join the anti-war protesters.
Supporters of Bush's policy in Iraq assembled in smaller numbers to get their voice heard in the day's anti-war din. About 150 of them rallied at the U.S. Navy Memorial.
Gary Qualls, 48, of Temple, Texas, whose Marine reservist son, Louis, died last year in the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, asked: "If you bring them home now, who's going to be responsible for all the atrocities that are fixing to happen over there? Cindy Sheehan?"
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:04pm
I saw that. Stupid, really, it's not like it will do anything.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:18pm
HIPPYS!
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Posted By: Frank Zappa
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:24pm
I heard that Bush has a ton of stock in hotels, and he started this war so that protesters would stay at all the Washington hotels.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:28pm
Frank Zappa wrote:
I heard that Bush has a ton of stock in hotels, and
he started this war so that protesters would stay at all the Washington
hotels. |
I heard that you are a MORON.
Now, which of our two statements is more true?
exactly.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:35pm
Good luck to the protesters. I may not aggree fully with their opinions but I definately support their voice.
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Posted By: mysteriousone
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:46pm
pfft hippies...
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Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:57pm
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Hades wrote:
Good luck to the protesters. I may not aggree fully with their opinions but I definately support their voice. |
Thank you, I am thouroughly pleased that that statement came from you.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:57pm
Silly protesters and thier bad timing.
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:02pm
Hades wrote:
Good luck to the protesters. I may not aggree fully with their opinions but I definately support their voice. |
I'm probably the only one to say this, but how does that make sense? You support what they're saying, but you don't agree with them? Explain.
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Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:05pm
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bluemunky42 wrote:
Hades wrote:
Good luck to the protesters. I may not aggree fully with their opinions but I definately support their voice. | I'm probably the only one to say this, but how does that make sense? You support what they're saying, but you don't agree with them? Explain. |
Dude, read. He doesn't support what their saying but rather their right to voice their opinion.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:13pm
Let me put it another way....
Just because I think what someone is saying is stupid, doesnt mean I am going to tell them to shut up.
***Example given in this post may or may not reflect posters opinion of topic in this thread.***
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:15pm
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More specifically (in my case), I would encourage people to demonstrate. Not only should people have the RIGHT to demonstrate (as they do), but people actually SHOULD demonstrate.
Demonstrations are good for a democracy. Regardless of the subject of the demonstration.
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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:17pm
Go Republicans!
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 6:06pm
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dont forget about the anti anti war protest.
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 6:10pm
Clark Kent wrote:
More specifically (in my case), I would encourage people to demonstrate. Not only should people have the RIGHT to demonstrate (as they do), but people actually SHOULD demonstrate.
Demonstrations are good for a democracy. Regardless of the subject of the demonstration. |
I'm going to start a large demonstration in IHoP's parking lot because their service sucks.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 7:43pm
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i'll be next to demonstrating on how awesome their pancakes are.
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 8:39pm
I love IHoP. Great place to go for breakfast, lunch, or dinner. The only complaint I have about there is they once gave me some crapass orange juice.
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 8:40pm
I love IHoP. Great place to go for breakfast, lunch, or dinner. The only complaint I have about there is they once gave me some crapass orange juice.
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 9:19pm
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Their dishes are always dirty, it takes 3 hours for them to bring your order to you, and then it takes them another hour to remember to give you your silverware.
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Posted By: Frank Zappa
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 9:25pm
Gatyr wrote:
Frank Zappa wrote:
I heard that Bush has a ton of stock in hotels, and
he started this war so that protesters would stay at all the Washington
hotels. |
I heard that you are a MORON.
Now, which of our two statements is more true?
exactly.
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I think that you're jealous that you aren't on the inside.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 9:50pm
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http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,170344,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,170344, 00.html
400...
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 9:59pm
Thats from FOX, it must not be true.......
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:04pm
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The Lib news is saying 300... Thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:23pm
Too bad the anti-anti war demonstrators are not sponsored profesional demonstrators. I guess Cindy and crew do not need jobs when some leftist group foots thier bills as they travel the country demonstrating against the war and the President.
I guess many pro-troop parents, freinds and family do not feel the need for media exposure, for they know the cause for which they stand, and don't need to take the spotlight away from the troops.
400 took the time..thats enough
What is the truth, still waiting on the tankers loaded with "stolen" Iraqi oil to dock, the lefts explination of the mass graves, torture and rape rooms, where the previous stocks of chemical weapons and or the required documentation as required by the Cease Fire Agreement went to.
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Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:38pm
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oldsoldier wrote:
Too bad the anti-anti war demonstrators are not sponsored profesional demonstrators. I guess Cindy and crew do not need jobs when some leftist group foots thier bills as they travel the country demonstrating against the war and the President.
I guess many pro-troop parents, freinds and family do not feel the need for media exposure, for they know the cause for which they stand, and don't need to take the spotlight away from the troops.
400 took the time..thats enough
What is the truth, still waiting on the tankers loaded with "stolen" Iraqi oil to dock, the lefts explination of the mass graves, torture and rape rooms, where the previous stocks of chemical weapons and or the required documentation as required by the Cease Fire Agreement went to.
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Right on!!!!
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:39pm
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I did see one of the pro-war people with a sign that had the twin towers going down and it read "how can you forget the infamy?" Judging from that logic, perhaps the pro-war people couldn't find their way out of their counties?
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Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:51pm
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Or perhaps we're busy trying to keep freedom in our country, rather than pulling us apart. If you want to HONOR OUR DEAD, stop calling the Commander-in-Chief names and start coming up with ways to defeat those that would want to destroy and take away our freedom. Remember, we've never flown planes into buildings full of innocent people or tested chemical weapons on hundreds of thousands of people for the sake of disagreement.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 10:58pm
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Ahem...
1. Who was on the planes?
2. Are you sure you want to stand by your statement that the U.S. hasn't tested N.B.C. on innocent people?
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Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:04pm
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Exactly, innocent people were on the planes too. But they weren't Americans flying them into the building...or is that what you're implying? Remember the AMERICAN heroes that stopped the last plane in PA. Or I suppose that was a hoax. AHEM!!!
And what chemical weapons have we tested on innocent people? You're damn straight I will stand by my statement...
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:05pm
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Hang in there, we'll work our way through this. Who piloted the planes?
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Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:08pm
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So you are implying AMERICANs flew the planes into the buildings? Wow, even after BinLaden admitted his terror network did it...I can see you aren't to be reasoned with. I take it you have not served? Lucky there are people protecting YOUR freedom...Have fun playing paintball!!!
BTW, can you answer any of oldsoldier's questions???
Are we having fun yet???
Sorry people, this is a Paintball forum, not a political forum. I will stop pushing my beliefs. That's what makes this country great. We ARE free to speak our mind, with freedom from retribution.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:15pm
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1. BinLaden is not Iraqi. No Iraqi's were on the planes.
2. My implication is that you are ill informed.
3. Assuming I'm not a vet is wrong.
4. Assuming I play paintball is wrong. I used to. Now I play airsoft.
5. O.S. and I have argued for years.
6. Anything else you'd like to be wrong about?
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Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:25pm
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Did I say he was Iraqi? But Cindy wants people out of Afghanastan, too. I know he wasn't Afghani either, but that's were he trained terrorist and that's who harbored him. Did Hussien harbor terrorist? YES...(believe what you will), but do not imply I'm ill informed. However, if you are a vet, your sevice is appreciated. Did you serve in Iraqi, I did!!! I saw the torture that these INNOCENT people went through under Hussien's reign, including the mass graves. Do not be disrespectful!!!
With all due respect, I would say the majority of OUR comrads in arms do not agree with the anti-war demonstrators and feel we were justified in what we, along with our allies have done. Also, seeing people protest outside of Walter Reed (which Cindy Sheehan supported) was pitiful and an embarrassment to our country.
I'm done. I do play paintball and would like to get back on those kind of discussions. Have fun airsofting...
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:50pm
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I stand by our president and the war you are all going to have to live with the fact for peace there must be war
By the way mysteriousone Fall out Boy sucks.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:57pm
What hades said, even though I'm starting to agree more and more that we need to get out.
Anyway, OS said "pro-troop". That illudes to my pet peeve. FOLKS,
ANTI-WAR DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-TROOP. Also, anti-Iraq-idiocy doesn't
equal anti-War-On-Terror. From where I stand these things are exact
opposites.
Oh and hating your administration/president doesn't equal hating your country.
I Hate Bush and I Hate the War in Iraq because I Support Our Troops, Love My Country, and Support The WoT. Understand that.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 12:00am
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You're done, spudcrazy? I thought we were really hitting it off, too.
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 12:11am
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Right place, wrong time. That's my opinion.
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 12:44am
Go them!
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 12:55am
Homer J wrote:
Right place, wrong time. That's my opinion. | Wrong time?
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 2:03am
bluemunky42 wrote:
I love IHoP. Great place to go for breakfast, lunch,
or dinner. The only complaint I have about there is they once gave me
some crapass orange juice. |
Acctually, I sort of liked IHOP, their corn bread is really good.
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 7:40am
Hella Cool wrote:
Homer J wrote:
Right place, wrong time. That's my opinion. | Wrong time?
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As in, while we aren't already in another war.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 7:47am
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Darur wrote:
bluemunky42 wrote:
I love IHoP. Great place to go for breakfast, lunch, or dinner. The only complaint I have about there is they once gave me some crapass orange juice. |
Acctually, I sort of liked IHOP, their corn bread is really good.
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How did we go from political demonstrations to ihop?
I like those pancakes with whipped cream and strawberrys. mmmmm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:14am
There are still those who do not understand. In order to fight a determined enemy you must limit or destroy their logistical bases.
True, Saudi Nationals flew the aircraft, trained and sponsored Radical Islamic Fundimentalists, now where did the training happen, who funded the training, who supplys the safe havens, the logistical base.
Fighting a Nation State is easy, fighting an Idea is a tad more difficult.
Afganistan had a Radical Islamic Government in place, the Taliban, provided safe havens for terror groups to train, and limited funding.
Iraq, for those willing to connect the dots, also had an interest in anti-western activities in order to facilitate Iraqs goals in their sphere of influance. A Totalitarian Government oppressing by fear and intimidation, proven previous use and possible resurgance of WMD programs (again where did the stocks go, and where is the required documentation as required by the Cease Fire Agreement of 1992), rearming and modernizing of Iraqi Military, incidents of AAA fire on UN aircraft engaged in operations sanctioned by the UN in the "No Fly Zones" as established by the Cease Fire Agreement of 1992. And we can go on.
No the rational thought here is to limit the logistical base of any terrorist organizations in order to limit and or degrade thier operational abilities. Take away the money, no weapons and or training, take away the safe areas, no area to train or base, take away the fear of the people and the "required" support of the Radical Islamic Faction drys up.
But there are those who actually prefere we pull out, let those who bode us harm regroup, retrain, and try again, appeasement, another failed "Peace in Our Time" with an enemy who by thier own admission persue the doctrine of "Death To America", because we are the infidel, and need to die under thier set of beliefs and the belief they must be free to impress by force and intimidation on the people of the mid-east.
Badsmitty and crew, where do you suggest we make a stand, Iraq or Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, we already saw London take a hit recently, where would you prefere we fight this war on terror, and how. It is easy to say what is going on now is wrong, now come up with a way to do it "right" and maybe we can actually consider those views of peace,that man has dreamed of for centuries.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:19am
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Well said OS.
Reading your post just made me want bubble gum. mmmm bubble gum.
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Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:17am
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I love how OS expresses damn near every point I believe in, only ten times better than I could say it.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:22am
^^^Yeah same here.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:57am
oldsoldier wrote:
There are still those who do not understand. In order
to fight a determined enemy you must limit or destroy their logistical
bases.
True, Saudi Nationals flew the aircraft, trained and sponsored
Radical Islamic Fundimentalists, now where did the training happen, who
funded the training, who supplys the safe havens, the logistical base.
Fighting a Nation State is easy, fighting an Idea is a tad more difficult.
Afganistan had a Radical Islamic Government in place, the Taliban,
provided safe havens for terror groups to train, and limited funding.
Iraq, for those willing to connect the dots, also had an interest
in anti-western activities in order to facilitate Iraqs goals in their
sphere of influance. A Totalitarian Government oppressing by fear and
intimidation, proven previous use and possible resurgance of WMD
programs (again where did the stocks go, and where is the required
documentation as required by the Cease Fire Agreement of 1992),
rearming and modernizing of Iraqi Military, incidents of AAA fire on UN
aircraft engaged in operations sanctioned by the UN in the "No Fly
Zones" as established by the Cease Fire Agreement of 1992. And we can
go on.
No the rational thought here is to limit the logistical base of any
terrorist organizations in order to limit and or degrade thier
operational abilities. Take away the money, no weapons and or training,
take away the safe areas, no area to train or base, take away the fear
of the people and the "required" support of the Radical Islamic Faction
drys up.
But there are those who actually prefere we pull out, let those who
bode us harm regroup, retrain, and try again, appeasement, another
failed "Peace in Our Time" with an enemy who by thier own admission
persue the doctrine of "Death To America", because we are the infidel,
and need to die under thier set of beliefs and the belief they must be
free to impress by force and intimidation on the people of the
mid-east.
Badsmitty and crew, where do you suggest we make a stand, Iraq or
Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, we already saw London take a hit
recently, where would you prefere we fight this war on terror, and how.
It is easy to say what is going on now is wrong, now come up with a way
to do it "right" and maybe we can actually consider those views of
peace,that man has dreamed of for centuries. |
See OS, your argument would make sense if we had invaded Syria, Iran,
Saudi Arabia...or practically any other mid-eastern country besides
Iraq but the fact is that Saddam ran a secular regieme and although he
was an evil man who did horrible things to his people and didn't listen
to the UN much he was probably the least appropriate target in a war
meant to take the base support away from terrorists.
He may have had
anti-west tendencies and hated isreal and even payed some suicide
bombers families and whatnot but I can think of atleast five other
nations that take and/or have taken a MUCH more active role in
supporting terror defying the international community. If
anything by invading Iraq we've turned it from what it wasn't to what
we said it was. We have done more for bin Laden than any mideastern
country has. We're freakin proving his point in the minds of those
people when they see us invade Iraq for illigitimate reasons. I'm not
convinced that we should pull out because I don't like to see my
country lose but the fact is that this is a bad war. I didn't like
Kerry anymore than many republicans did but he hit it right on the head
when he said "Wrong War, Wrong Time". No, I don't want to see us
fighting the WoT in Chicago but I don't want to see it fought in Iraq
either. How about Syria or Iran or our beloved Saudi Arabia? Or
anywhere else that makes any sense at all....
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:21am
From a strategic standpoint who would have been considered the larger threat. A state with a growing manpower and quality standing army (Iraq) with aims and goals of dominance of the area. Or a nation with a stagnant or non-exsistant military (Saudi Arabia/Syria), without the ability to project thier military power in the area. The Iraqi Army was rearming with modern weapons (Thank you France/Germany/Russia) and Iraq in violation of @1400 UN resolutions relating to the Cease Fire Agreement of 1992, was thumbing its nose at UN and World authority. How far would you let Iraq go, (relate to 1937 Europe) before the world was forced to react, and at the cost of how many.
With the vast amounts of logistical resources to arm and train either a traditional and or guerilla force, Iraq was a greater threat militarily. And the potential threat of WMD also made Iraq a greater threat. (we can fight the have/have not war all day, the question is if they have not, where are or what happened to known exsisting stocks of chemical weapons, and where is the required destruction documentation as agreed to by the 1992 Cease Fire Agreement)
One of the prime considerations is also the physcological effort of fighting in the "holy lands" of Islam, where the Radical Islamic Movement is more inclined to assemble and fight there, than in Syria. As long as the primary front is fighting the Western Infidel in Iraq, the radical movement will concentrate there instead of spreading in small cells throughout the world, harder to localize and or fight.
Militarily it made and makes sense to fight Radical Islam in Iraq, the current operations destroyed a vast logistical base of operations for Radical Islam, and it localizes the fight there instead of all over the world.
Fighting wars effectively is to limit and prevent your enemy the ability to wage war, trading bullets and bombs is secondary.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 12:39pm
Yeah... That protest really ticked me off. Made traffic completely bedlum..
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:15pm
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Project Irene wrote:
I love how OS expresses dang near every point I believe in, only ten times better than I could say it. |
I don't care much for protests. I think they are unpatriotic. I know the whole freedom of speech thing, but to me protest are unpatriotic. I know it would make me feel pretty crappy if I were fighting, wether I wanted to be fighting or not, and thousands of people back home didn't support me.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:40pm
whack-a-mole wrote:
Project Irene wrote:
I love how OS expresses dang near every point I believe in, only ten times better than I could say it. |
I don't care much for protests. I think they are unpatriotic. I know the whole freedom of speech thing, but to me protest are unpatriotic. I know it would make me feel pretty crappy if I were fighting, wether I wanted to be fighting or not, and thousands of people back home didn't support me. |
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:55pm
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Seriously - the county was founded by protesters.
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:56pm
whack-a-mole wrote:
Project Irene wrote:
I love how OS expresses
dang near every point I believe in, only ten times better than I
could say it. |
I don't care much for protests. I think they are unpatriotic. I know
the whole freedom of speech thing, but to me protest are unpatriotic. I
know it would make me feel pretty crappy if I were fighting, wether I
wanted to be fighting or not, and thousands of people back home didn't
support me. |
You probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for protests.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 1:56pm
DBibeau855 wrote:
whack-a-mole wrote:
Project Irene wrote:
I love how OS expresses dang near every point I believe in, only ten times better than I could say it. |
I don't care much for protests. I think they are unpatriotic. I know the whole freedom of speech thing, but to me protest are unpatriotic. I know it would make me feel pretty crappy if I were fighting, wether I wanted to be fighting or not, and thousands of people back home didn't support me. |
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lol. agreed. protests are necessay. if there is no protest then freedom of speech can diminish. and then well here comes a dictatorship or worse.. communism.. actually thats like the same and just as bad. you dont have to like the protesters. or what they are protesting but its necessary. i personaly think the iraq war was needed and still is. we can take care of North Korea soon. then Iran.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:00pm
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I think protesters should just shut up until we lose another 58,000 patriotic zealots in a another losing war like Vietnam. I imagine if you ask those dead 58k soldiers if it was worth their lives, they will point to the tag on the back of your shirt that says "made in vietnam" and tell you absolutely. 58k dead for cheap communist textiles in Walmart, conveniently located near every metropolitan trailer park. Seems worth it to me.

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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:23pm
And I bet you typed your little rant on a personal computer with componants made in The Peoples Republic of China, by slave laborers and not a complaint or protest from you.............
You are right, lets bring our troops home now, Radical Islam will see that as a show of Peace and leave us alone. And then we can bury our dead right here in Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, as the war again surfaces here, keeps the costs down. Or wait till a Dem is in office then the war will be a just war.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:26pm
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My computer was made by intelligent design. It is far too complex for Cletus and Lulabelle to understand so it has to have been made by some deity.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:27pm
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oldsoldier wrote:
And I bet you typed your little rant on a personal computer with componants made in The Peoples Republic of China, by slave laborers and not a complaint or protest from you.............
You are right, lets bring our troops home now, Radical Islam will see that as a show of Peace and leave us alone. And then we can bury our dead right here in Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, as the war again surfaces here, keeps the costs down. Or wait till a Dem is in office then the war will be a just war. |
Yeah, but it didn't cost the lives of 58k troops failing to liberate China to make my computer. The market took care of my need without misguided intervention by a draft dodging president.
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Posted By: PaintballkidEPS
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:32pm
godsmitty but seriously, i hate liberals, they hate anything violant, i wonder do they hate shooter video games too?>
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:35pm
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PaintballkidEPS wrote:
godsmitty but seriously, i hate liberals, they hate anything violant, i wonder do they hate shooter video games too?> |
Liberalism is open mindedness. You are confusing it with pacifism. I am a bleeding heart liberal who served in the military, did my duty in a combat zone, and play DOOM on my pocket PC. I believe in intelligent military intervention as a last resort to diplomacy.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:35pm
What does Clinton the draft dodger have to do with this point.....
And as a last resort the tried and true name calling and charactor assasination......Liberals....go figure.
And your answer to the current world sitution is?
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:38pm
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As opposed to the whiny victim stance that you always take?
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 8:41pm
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oldsoldier wrote:
What does Clinton the draft dodger have to do with this point.....
And as a last resort the tried and true name calling and charactor assasination......Liberals....go figure.
And your answer to the current world sitution is?
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I didn't tell Bush to have his daddy pull strings so that he could bypass 500 people ahead of him to hide in the National Guard during Vietnam, only to be AWOL for half of his service. He committed character suicide.
Now you worship a guy that was laughing at you and the other soldiers who went off to serve and die in Vietnam. If you can't see the irony of that, that's your problem.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:38pm
Still no answer to the world problem, other than Bush and those who believe in him are wrong. Come on all that education and class, and no ideas, where us uneducated, Fox News watching, Cletus types at least did something, other than wait to get attacked again to see if they were really serious, the educated Kerry approach.
As I did along with biting the bullet through Carter, and Clinton (a real draft dodger and demonstrator in europe). Serving under Clinton was a true irony for many as he deployed forces across the globe now that he was not going, thank god I retired late 92.
Be you a cook at Ft Dix, or a Air National Guard member through possible favoritisum, or even a questionable naval officer, If you serve you served, and are a veteran.
Still waiting on the true leftist answer to todays world situation, other than Bush is wrong.
Oh, and 295,000 died in another unjust war just so we could have Toyota dealers on every corner, Sony Playstations in every trailer park kids bedroom, and BMW and Mercedes Dealerships for those more fortunate than Cletus. Japan only killed 3435 at Pearl Harbor, we forced them to attack us by economic sanctions, and Germany never attacked us, so under todays logic, an unjust war. Not one accusation of Roosevelt was wrong.
History will judge this war someday in the future, and if western society survives, we won the first battle here in Iraq, and maybe, hopefully there will be no other wars needed.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 9:47pm
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:09pm
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oldsoldier wrote:
Still no answer to the world problem, other than Bush and those who believe in him are wrong. Come on all that education and class, and no ideas, where us uneducated, Fox News watching, Cletus types at least did something, other than wait to get attacked again to see if they were really serious, the educated Kerry approach.
As I did along with biting the bullet through Carter, and Clinton (a real draft dodger and demonstrator in europe). Serving under Clinton was a true irony for many as he deployed forces across the globe now that he was not going, thank god I retired late 92.
Be you a cook at Ft Dix, or a Air National Guard member through possible favoritisum, or even a questionable naval officer, If you serve you served, and are a veteran.
Still waiting on the true leftist answer to todays world situation, other than Bush is wrong.
Oh, and 295,000 died in another unjust war just so we could have Toyota dealers on every corner, Sony Playstations in every trailer park kids bedroom, and BMW and Mercedes Dealerships for those more fortunate than Cletus. Japan only killed 3435 at Pearl Harbor, we forced them to attack us by economic sanctions, and Germany never attacked us, so under todays logic, an unjust war. Not one accusation of Roosevelt was wrong.
History will judge this war someday in the future, and if western society survives, we won the first battle here in Iraq, and maybe, hopefully there will be no other wars needed.
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1. The "they" that attacked us weren't Iraqis.
2. You support a president who dodged the draft by hiding in the NG and then was AWOL for half of his service. Cut the semantics.
3. Germany declared war on us. Didn't you say something about the education system a couple of posts ago?
4. If you are looking to the Tippmann website for an answer how to fix the world, then you may be let down. I don't have an answer, but I do know that Bush is an idiot, cannot speak English, ignores people who are smarter than him, and is a confirmed draft dodger. The first step in fixing the world is firing HIM.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:15pm
goodsmitty wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
Still no answer to the world
problem, other than Bush and those who believe in him are wrong. Come
on all that education and class, and no ideas, where us uneducated, Fox
News watching, Cletus types at least did something, other than wait to
get attacked again to see if they were really serious, the educated
Kerry approach.
As I did along with biting the bullet through
Carter, and Clinton (a real draft dodger and demonstrator in europe).
Serving under Clinton was a true irony for many as he deployed forces
across the globe now that he was not going, thank god I retired late
92.
Be you a cook at Ft Dix, or a Air National Guard member
through possible favoritisum, or even a questionable naval officer, If
you serve you served, and are a veteran.
Still waiting on the true leftist answer to todays world situation, other than Bush is wrong.
Oh,
and 295,000 died in another unjust war just so we could have Toyota
dealers on every corner, Sony Playstations in every trailer park kids
bedroom, and BMW and Mercedes Dealerships for those more fortunate than
Cletus. Japan only killed 3435 at Pearl Harbor, we forced them to
attack us by economic sanctions, and Germany never attacked us, so
under todays logic, an unjust war. Not one accusation of Roosevelt was
wrong.
History will judge this war someday in the future, and
if western society survives, we won the first battle here in Iraq, and
maybe, hopefully there will be no other wars needed.
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1. The "they" that attacked us weren't Iraqis.
2. You support a president who dodged the draft by hiding in the NG
and then was AWOL for half of his service. Cut the semantics.
3. Germany declared war on us. Didn't you say something about the education system a couple of posts ago?
4. If you are looking to the Tippmann website for an answer how to
fix the world, then you may be let down. I don't have an answer, but I
do know that Bush is an idiot, cannot speak English, ignores people who
are smarter than him, and is a confirmed draft dodger. The first step
in fixing the world is firing HIM. |
If hes so awful why did he beat the best the lefties had to offer?
Or are you going to say it was because of "daddy"?
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Posted By: AgentWhale007!`
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:16pm
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Just remember you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Ever.
Just ask the Irish Republican Army...Oh wait, they would have to still exist for you to ask them...
Scratch that, dont ask them, that would be negotiating.
Carry on, fellow proud 'Mericans.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:19pm
Darur wrote:
goodsmitty wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
Still no answer to the world problem, other than Bush and those who believe in him are wrong. Come on all that education and class, and no ideas, where us uneducated, Fox News watching, Cletus types at least did something, other than wait to get attacked again to see if they were really serious, the educated Kerry approach.
As I did along with biting the bullet through Carter, and Clinton (a real draft dodger and demonstrator in europe). Serving under Clinton was a true irony for many as he deployed forces across the globe now that he was not going, thank god I retired late 92.
Be you a cook at Ft Dix, or a Air National Guard member through possible favoritisum, or even a questionable naval officer, If you serve you served, and are a veteran.
Still waiting on the true leftist answer to todays world situation, other than Bush is wrong.
Oh, and 295,000 died in another unjust war just so we could have Toyota dealers on every corner, Sony Playstations in every trailer park kids bedroom, and BMW and Mercedes Dealerships for those more fortunate than Cletus. Japan only killed 3435 at Pearl Harbor, we forced them to attack us by economic sanctions, and Germany never attacked us, so under todays logic, an unjust war. Not one accusation of Roosevelt was wrong.
History will judge this war someday in the future, and if western society survives, we won the first battle here in Iraq, and maybe, hopefully there will be no other wars needed.
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1. The "they" that attacked us weren't Iraqis.
2. You support a president who dodged the draft by hiding in the NG and then was AWOL for half of his service. Cut the semantics.
3. Germany declared war on us. Didn't you say something about the education system a couple of posts ago?
4. If you are looking to the Tippmann website for an answer how to fix the world, then you may be let down. I don't have an answer, but I do know that Bush is an idiot, cannot speak English, ignores people who are smarter than him, and is a confirmed draft dodger. The first step in fixing the world is firing HIM.
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If hes so awful why did he beat the best the lefties had to offer?
Or are you going to say it was because of "daddy"? |
Because the idea of a unintelligible moron making president in Cinderella fashion inspired at least 51% of the population.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:20pm
goodsmitty wrote:
Darur wrote:
goodsmitty wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
Still no answer to the world problem, other than
Bush and those who believe in him are wrong. Come on all that education
and class, and no ideas, where us uneducated, Fox News watching, Cletus
types at least did something, other than wait to get attacked again to
see if they were really serious, the educated Kerry approach.
As
I did along with biting the bullet through Carter, and Clinton (a real
draft dodger and demonstrator in europe). Serving under Clinton was a
true irony for many as he deployed forces across the globe now that he
was not going, thank god I retired late 92.
Be you a cook at
Ft Dix, or a Air National Guard member through possible favoritisum, or
even a questionable naval officer, If you serve you served, and are a
veteran.
Still waiting on the true leftist answer to todays world situation, other than Bush is wrong.
Oh,
and 295,000 died in another unjust war just so we could have Toyota
dealers on every corner, Sony Playstations in every trailer park kids
bedroom, and BMW and Mercedes Dealerships for those more fortunate than
Cletus. Japan only killed 3435 at Pearl Harbor, we forced them to
attack us by economic sanctions, and Germany never attacked us, so
under todays logic, an unjust war. Not one accusation of Roosevelt was
wrong.
History will judge this war someday in the future, and
if western society survives, we won the first battle here in Iraq, and
maybe, hopefully there will be no other wars needed.
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1. The "they" that attacked us weren't Iraqis.
2. You support a president who dodged the draft by hiding in the NG
and then was AWOL for half of his service. Cut the semantics.
3. Germany declared war on us. Didn't you say something about the education system a couple of posts ago?
4. If you are looking to the Tippmann website for an answer how to
fix the world, then you may be let down. I don't have an answer, but I
do know that Bush is an idiot, cannot speak English, ignores people who
are smarter than him, and is a confirmed draft dodger. The first step
in fixing the world is firing HIM.
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If hes so awful why did he beat the best the lefties had to offer?
Or are you going to say it was because of "daddy"? |
Because the idea of a unintelligible moron making president in Cinderella fashion inspired at least 51% of the population. |
Which would make your candidate even more of a moron?
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Posted By: AgentWhale007!`
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:21pm
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Nader split the Democratic vote.
Same thing Perot did to the Republicans in 92 and 96.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:24pm
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Darur wrote:
Which would make your candidate even more of a moron?
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Unintelligible jibber-jabber, my point entirely. Please continue to prove me right.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:27pm
goodsmitty wrote:
Darur wrote:
Which would make your candidate even more of a moron?
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Unintelligible jibber-jabber, my point entirely. Please continue to prove me right. |
Acctually most people would call it common sense. If the people
liked person A more then person B and (as you put it) person A was a
moron thus person B must have been a greater moron then person A.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 10:29pm
Darur wrote:
goodsmitty wrote:
Darur wrote:
Which would make your candidate even more of a moron?
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Unintelligible jibber-jabber, my point entirely. Please continue to prove me right.
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Acctually most people would call it common sense. If the people liked person A more then person B and (as you put it) person A was a moron thus person B must have been a greater moron then person A. |
Not if you are in fact a moron, and are intrigued with having a moron president. Which 51% of the population evidently is.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 8:05am
Another wonderfull posting and comment from those who are the self proclaimed masters of diversity and understanding.
If you do not agree with me and what my group believes in you must be a moron, true diversity and understanding from the left.
Maybe 51% of the country saw your candidate as the moron, and voted accordingly.
Just a hint next election, pick a stand, any stand and stick with it more than two days straight, maybe you have a chance for a win.
As a side note:
Watch as Hillary promises NY she will serve her term and then as her hubby did abandon NY (as he abandoned AR)for her personal goal.....CARPETBAGGER
And your next choice is?
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 8:19am
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Im Lost. So what makes Kerry any better than Bush? I would rather have someone who is wrong and makes mistakes sometimes than someone who changes his stand everyday.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 8:22am
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Here's why he's an idiot:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushdumbquotes.htm - http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushdumbquotes.htm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 8:44am
Since when is it a crime to be human, guess that to have a fault of anykind is an automatic permission slip for those perfect among us to target them.
Personal hatred of the individual, illregardless of any accomplishment, now there is diversity in action from the left.
More examples of idiocy (works both ways):
The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country." - John F. Kerry
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - John F. Kerry
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." -
John F. Kerry
I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." - John F. Kerry
We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a
firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." - John F. Kerry
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the
polls." - John F. Kerry
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 8:50am
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pwned!!!!
Lets see what smitty has to say about that.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 9:07am
I agree. Vote for me next time. I am quite eloquent.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 9:11am
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And what will your position be?
Oh let me guess "Republicans Suck"?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 10:54am
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oldsoldier wrote:
More examples of idiocy (works both ways):
The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country." - John F. Kerry
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - John F. Kerry
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." - John F. Kerry
I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." - John F. Kerry
We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." - John F. Kerry
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." - John F. Kerry
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Snake6 wrote:
pwned!!!!
Lets see what smitty has to say about that.
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I'll take this one...
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.asp - http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.asp
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 11:11am
so now were back where we started.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 12:10pm
You wanna know the funny thing about this?
Bush is still in office!
The 100 thosuand protestors can do NOTHING about that but complain their big bloated heads off.
And whats more funy is Bush was ReELECTED! That's called OWNAGE!
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2005 at 12:13pm
So true.
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