Legal silencer (A5flatline) ?!
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Topic: Legal silencer (A5flatline) ?!
Posted By: 89JW
Subject: Legal silencer (A5flatline) ?!
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 11:32pm
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What if... this might be a very stupid idea (since i'm next to zero in aerodinamics), but here it goes... what if we could make a certain amount of holes (as small as possible) at a certain degree (45 to be more precise, facing same direction as the air flow of the barrel), on the horizontal plane, in the barrel of the A5 flatline, stuff the shroud with fiberglass (or other), and assemble it back?! In theory, it all works out, except for the: 1) Would the drilling damage to the interior of the barrel be very vital to it's performance? 2) And what would be the distance capability loos of the barrel? If i'm repeating someones idea, i'm sorry... I did a search though, nothing of the sort came up... Thank you for taking your time to read this. Would love to see your opinions. Andrei. |
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Posted By: TOPGUN 414
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 12:49am
hmmmmm....i dont know....cause if you drill into your barrel you might get burs on the inside witch could result in ball breakage....but me i would just get a old flatline barrel cheap from somewhere and experiment  ------------- A5 RT Mp5 clip Mp5 handguard dual offset rail tactical flashlight w p/s 42mm simmons redot polished internals maddman spring kit starfire bolt fx style stock 14in nightstik barrel |
Posted By: 89JW
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:02am
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Yes, I agree, but think about it this way... the barrel is metal, and when drilling metal, especially with a small (thin) drill bit, the burs might not be that segnificant + is the inside of the barel coted with ceramic?? is so, the there would be no burs at all... since I could simli pull something through te barell (like a squeege, only softer), and brush of the ceramic residue, resulting in virtually no burs... so is the inside of the flatline coted with ceramic (or other material that has ceramic (sand) properties?? |
TOPGUN 414 wrote:Posted By: cv222005
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:49am
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read this from the http://www.atf.gov - www.atf.gov aparently silecers are illegal for pball too.
(A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [ javascript history.back1 - Back ] A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax. ------------- 
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Posted By: 89JW
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 10:36am
I am aware of that... but <poopy>that (sorry about my language)!!! <don't apologize - just read the rules and follow them> If it's illegal, IT'S ILLEGAL!!! How does $200 not make it illegal anymore?! Do they have the same policy for cocaine? if so, how much is a dealer licence? Thank you. PS: Soda bottles or any other plastic bottles should also be illegal then since they can also serve as silencers for small caliber handguns... |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 11:04am
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You could easily make a silencer, but call it a "Fake Suppressor" Im making a "fake Suppressor" on the CNC Machine.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 11:34am
| This mod gets suggested every so often - somebody should actually try it and report back. |
Posted By: 89JW
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 2:45pm
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Ok. I get your point. As soon as i work out the detail and find a used flatline, I PROMISE ILL TRY IT AND POST MY FINDINGS... |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 2:49pm
Thats true, it does get suggested so much but, why take the chance in really trying to make one because, the last thing anyone wants is having BATF and the local Sheriff knocking at their door because someone reported that he/she was able to create a silencer/sound supressor for their marker but, failed to report it to the BATF to be approved for use. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 2:58pm
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I say go ahead and make it. The ATF has better things to do than chase down paintballers.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 5:09pm
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i dont know if this is true or not, but i heard that the atf outlawed paintball silencers because they can be used on real guns. i heard about a loop hole somewhere that says if the silencer is part of the barrel, and cant be removed (example, welding), then its legal. gluing doesnt count because its just attatching, not built in. using this loop hole, the flatline should be legal. also, you cant use the flatline silencer idea on a real gun because of the curve of the barrel. it might actually be a legal design. -edit- also, drill the holes on the bottom of the barrel, because the ball is forced to the top and will be out of the way. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 6:43pm
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ummm, the flatline shroud isn't welded on. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 12:14am
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yeah, i agree. make one when you get a chance and report back. You can still use it in back-yard paintball. I think it would be cool. ------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 12:46am
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evcen if burs develop at the end of the barrel its noting a sanding wheel couldnt get rid of?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 1:27am
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 3:30pm
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Apperently not enough stupidity is illegal in Texas since your not locked up yet....
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 4:15pm
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oh ha flippin ha... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: 89JW
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 10:02pm
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... and how exactly do you plan to use the sanding wheel? the burs will form on the inside of the barrel... PLUS: The interior of the barrel is coted with ceramic... so, burs can not form, because ceramic dissipates... but then again, thats all theory for now... I still havent found a used flatline to test my theory... :( SO THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR SANDING... theortically... :) |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 10:47am
No, do not report back. There will be no forum discussion involving directions to build an illegal silencer. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 11:06am
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Yeah. If you do report back, DO NOT include instructions on how to make it. Also It is true that if a silencer is part of a barrel it is legal. As long as the barrel cannot be modded to fit a real gun. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 5:36pm
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^^^ HA! i was right. that should make the flatline perfectly legal, so you can give instructions!!! personally, id like to know. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: O.F.Fascist
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 1:56am
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Silencer arent illegal, they just have to be registered with the ATF and you have to pay your $200 tax on them, just like with real machine guns. Kind of a pointless law as I doubt it does much of anything to stop real criminals from using silencers, but gives the government the authority to make life hard for otherwise law abiding citizens who might now know the law so well. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 12:43pm
It is illegal if "not registered" wit the ATF. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 5:30pm
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Face it, take the shroud off, and you can use any manner of ducttape,
and any silcencer scould be modified to fit on a gun. Oh and I bet it
could be attached to a musket. If it can be attached and used, its illegal. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 4:44pm
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if you use a pourus but firm fill inside the shroud, then it will take the shape of the curved barrel and not be able to be used with a real gun. also, using a the flatline on a musket wouldnt work. i think. the forces generated required for a killing speed on a musket would pretty much make the curved flatline explode, thus making it useless on a musket and extremely stupid. once again: i think. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 11:22pm
| how bout you make it, not tell us how to but post a video and that'd be cool |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:50pm
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Note: They DO NOT say that paintball silencers are illegal. They say that SOME THEY HAVE TESTED HAVE BEEN FOUND to be compatible with firearms. A paintball barrel could not be used with a musket. there's be far too much pressure, adn it would destroy the barrel. I guarantee the result would not be silent. You can't easily change the trajectory of a bullet using a hard barrel. (Caveat- 90* curved barrels were fielded in WW2. in limited numbers) A silencer needs to have a very close calibre match to be effective, otherwise the noise just gets out through the space between the projectile and the barrel. The ATF is wording their statement to try to scare people. They must prove that you can use it on a firearm if they want to charge you, and I guarantee that if a paintball will fit through the silencer, you'll be just fine using it without registering it with the ATF. NOTE: Under Canadian law: Prohibited devices include:
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Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 24 October 2005 at 12:24am
that is true but what many people dont realize is that a fire arm has to use fire or an exsplotion of some sort to get the projectile moving, like with a rifle the firing pin hits the primer the primer then makes a tiny "exsplotion" thats sets the gun powder on fire turning it into gasses that keep exspanding till the pressure is so great it shoots the bullet out the barrel, in a paintball gun there is not exsplotions or fire, so its not considered a "fire" arm its an air gun ------------- [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c128/sneaky_sniper/Invader_Zim.jpg"> |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 24 October 2005 at 12:40am
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yep. -------------
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