Tippmann made in China coming soon???
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Topic: Tippmann made in China coming soon???
Posted By: Xspyderman
Subject: Tippmann made in China coming soon???
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 4:42pm
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I've read in some other Paintball forums that Tippmann is going to no longer be made in the USA! Is this true? ------------- Xs. A5, GTA; Flatline, Double Trigger, R/T, Tapco Stock, 32° Remote, Attitude Forum: meeting place or medium for discussion of matters of public interest. NOT INTERESTED? DON'T POST! |
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Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 4:48pm
| It is a rumor. |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 4:57pm
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It's on the internet, it HAS to be true!
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 5:12pm
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I sure hope it's just a rumor. ------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 5:37pm
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So do I. If they're worried about increasing their net income (by
decreasing their costs of production), maby they should release a new
gun (not the Custom Pro), that would get people buying their stuff
again (what I mean, is that there are soooo many 98's around, most
people probably just buy used, and don't bother buying new. I know I
did).
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Posted By: tigman250
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 9:13pm
the sad fact is a 98 c cost $130 when guns like the ion are getting cheaper. the ion is probably made overseas (does anyone know for sure) i think Tippmann is going to have to come up with a equal gun (price and performance) to compete. i know alot of people don't like ions but lets face it they are a bunch better than a Tippy for not alot more. ------------- http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stickemup6of.jpg"> 
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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 9:14pm
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i hope not thats one of the best things about Tippmann , made in the USA ------------- 
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 9:36pm
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Im not sure what they would send overseas. Their production line is very small 20-30 people tops. The rest are people pushing boxes. |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 9:52pm
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Posted By: TRC1040
Date Posted: 30 September 2005 at 10:07pm
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well the people that assemble still have to be payed at least minamum wage, and in china they can be payed cents an hour, good for the comp bad for biss. ------------- http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img23741qy5.jpg"> 
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 12:39am
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Its cheaper for the company. So it will make it cheaper for the customor. |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 5:06am
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Yeah, but if I know a product is made in China before I buy it, then I dont buy it. ------------- Halo CDPaintbal.com One of the oldest running scenario fields in the southeast. |
Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 8:59am
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^^ Then you probably don't have too much stuff, as just about
everything is made in China.....unless of course you're refering to
high priced stuff, like paintball guns, electronics...... And I thought SmartParts was also one of these companies that built exclusivly in the US. If so, then the Ion would be built in the US. ------------- Ref: I want a nice clean game player: but it's paintball! |
Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:02am
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It better not be. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:10am
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But you have to factor in shipping back from china. It about equals out. ------------- 
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Posted By: tigman250
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:21am
no it dosen't equal out chinamen will work for a couple bucks a day! why would all the other companies go to China for their labor? that's why raw materials cost so much because China is expanding so fast they are buying alot of it and driving the prices up in the states ------------- http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stickemup6of.jpg">
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next time you go to wal-mart look at all the tags on the stuff in the store, a VERY large percentage of it is made in China, so you can't tell me it all equals out, all the companies wouldn't move their labor there if it wasen't profitable! be alert and try to buy stuff made in the USA if possible!Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:41am
I am not saying that it equals out for ALL products, but the shipping back to the US and the amount of money it would take to export all production equipment to china would even out in the short term. But it might make for cheaper production in the long term. You would hav eto worry about some retarded chinaman putting somthing together wrong and having the marker blow up in your face. -------------
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Posted By: Sureshot3091
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:29am
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I though SP was an American made company....
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 12:06pm
It was foundered and the headquaters are in America. But I believe that most SP factorys are in China and other countrys. Most products now a days are imported. Very few things are really "made in america" now. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:27pm
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Somehow I doubt that... ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: CapnBuzzKilr
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:54pm
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Hmmm You have a choice. Buy a gun for say 60 bucks made in China. Or buy a gun made in the US for a bit more. Keeps some guy who is a fellow American employed by a manufacturer. Actually being able to talk to someone from the factory is a bonus too. What's going to happen if China let's the hammer down and increases the price on all of that stuff at Walmart, etc? Our pay from Taco Bell, etc won't be enough. Scary
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Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:05pm
WRONG, thier world HQ's and FACTORY are in a small county in Western PA called LATROBE just outside of Pittsburgh, only an hour from me, they just built their new factory and Field there, it was on the news , the reporter chick was shooting a Nerve, she was actually pretty good, lol------------- 
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Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 6:34pm
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I wish someone in the know would answer my question! I've heard from more than one source it is true... but not from anyone I definitely trust. DOESN'T ANYONE AT TIPPMANN READ THESE FORUMS??? ------------- Xs. A5, GTA; Flatline, Double Trigger, R/T, Tapco Stock, 32° Remote, Attitude Forum: meeting place or medium for discussion of matters of public interest. NOT INTERESTED? DON'T POST! |
Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 8:45pm
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great here comes plastic paintball guns. ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: LoneGunman
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 11:29pm
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^^^so true, i know i would drop tippy like a rock if they were made in china. i would rather spend a little more here then ship my money oversees via walmart btw i have been walmart free for awhile...then my parents gave me a massive gift card for there when i left for college so i shop there only with that. not to mention who else thinks that it is ironic that the slogan of sam's club is we're in busniess for small busniess. MORE LIKE TO RAPE IT ------------- Jesus Rocks |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: 05 October 2005 at 1:26am
Exactly. ------------- Halo CDPaintbal.com One of the oldest running scenario fields in the southeast. |
Posted By: physcho_monkey
Date Posted: 05 October 2005 at 10:06am
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every1 get ure tippys now b4 the chinease make um
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 12:29pm
my boss used to buy stuff from there and sell it at retail. not to mention if you have a buisness account you get discounts or cash back. something like that anyway (at costco i dono about sams club but im guessing the have something like it) ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 2:02pm
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Rumors. "I have an idea! Since we spent a bunch of money building a new manufacturing plant only a few years ago, lets scrap it completely and have our guns built in China!" ~ Dennis Tippmann And Autocockers are made in Taiwan, Mags are produced in Mexico, and Angels are produced in Hond Kong. Really, look it up. Just another "Tippmanns are teh suxzorz, buy a roxzorz Ion and smokzorz everything!" And Tippmanns are impossible to use in tourneys (team Tippmann Effect are banned from tourneys and are just for marketing). And Tippmanns shoot so slow, so you should buy a gun that shoots 30 bps because it will make you win tourneys. Even though they're becoming capped at 15 bps, no one will ever notice you shooting twice as fast! Just stand up and shoot paint EVERYWHERE and the other team will slip and fall and not be able to hide behind bunkers because it'll be slick and they'll be afraid to play because they might get hit 30 times in the face if they look out. You'll be awesome, really! Open a paintball magazine. Do it. Look at the pics of tourneys- more specifically, look INSIDE all the barrels you see at tourneys. Its amazing how on one page it shows a tourney player with a bucket of paint oozing out of his gun, and an advertisement for the same gun is on the next page saying it never breakzorz any paintzorz! And yes, Tippmann employees do read them. However, they don't make any replies. Of course, this thread probably caused some employees to be written up for rolling on the floor and laughing uncontrollably. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: NasdaQ
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 6:39pm
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Ok one question. i know that some things made in china are crappy because they save money and since not alot of ppl buy the crappy stuff they woudnt b able to afford the businnes here. but anyways.... what would make you think that if tippmann is going to china the quality would change at all ? are you trying to say that chinesse ppl are stupid? because it would still be the same company with the same ppl actually thinking of the guns and making the plans so all it would change is that some sweaty china man would be putting your gun toguether instead of another hairy sweaty american. ONly a theory plzz correct if i am wrong cause i really have no clue what i am talking aobut. i just felt like posting. Woohoo for milkshakes ------------- No Sprinkles! for every sprinkle I find i shall kill you. Stewie Grifin |
Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 5:59pm
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Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:03pm
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 8:00pm
| because its CHINA! THEY ARE THE ENEMY! I HATE buying "Made in China" Products. Its only helping the Chinese Communist Government! I dont care if its going to cost me $10.00 more to buy American But I will if its over China. China is trying to get technology from our so called allies in europe which will be damaging to our armed forces. they know war with America is inevitable. which is why we need to stop moving to China for business. build more American. Only American. Sell only American. And Attack China! |
Posted By: NasdaQ
Date Posted: 08 October 2005 at 3:50pm
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UAHuhAUAUHA man.... now your putting rediculous theory in a subject about paintball. i am sure that if china wanted they could make a better paintball gun then tippmann.... i am sure that we are not really helping that much by giving maybe 30 ppl jobs. ------------- No Sprinkles! for every sprinkle I find i shall kill you. Stewie Grifin |
Posted By: Maj Tom
Date Posted: 08 October 2005 at 11:29pm
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It's all Bush's fault! You've paid more one taxes in the last month than GM will in the next ten years for moving plants over seas. Yeah that really helps use and our unemployed. If Tippmann goes over seas then who Edelbrock, Craftsmen, who? Every product has on average only one company in America that still produces it all the rest are forgien. And Mexico is going through the same thing. Ten years ago 80% of tvs were made in Mexico. Today less than 2% are made there. Its a sad sad world.
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Posted By: tigman250
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 1:23pm
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one example, Vise Grips, they USED to be made in the USA. Irwin a company that moved over seas long ago is making tools much cheaper than any US company can so they make a ton of money doing it. Vise Grip tries to hold on as long as they can making their product in the US but can't compete with these companies that move out. so they are forced to either move overseas themselves or sell the company, they sold to Irwin, guess where Vise Grips are made now?? the truth is American companies paying American workers cannot compete with China, the scary part is, in moving all these companies to China all kinds of technology goes with it, someday China is going to send these companies down the road, take their technology and machines and produce their own stuff. i'm afraid that 20 yrs down the road China will be the super power and we will be the ones living in huts. American companies HAVE to move to china if they want to compete but at the expence of the american economy, now with a war to pay for and a country to rebuild afterwards.......not to mention being trillions of dollars in debt already, the future of the USA dosen't look so good! BUY AMERICAN! ------------- http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stickemup6of.jpg">
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Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 10:16pm
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Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 10:43pm
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Never heard of anything made in Canada, As soon as it's announced that Tippmann is Chinese, my 98's (even though it's American made) getting sold and the rest of our extent of Tippmann gear and anything that says Tippmann on it. Why you might ask??, because of my morals, I hate China and those Commies and they are taking over our Economy, companies at a time. Who would I shoot you might ask?? Smart Parts, They are made 2 counties from me and are big supporters of our local paintball seen, and have a prototype "scenario/woodsball" marker, that will be tested and publisized at the field I work at. -------------
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 4:47am
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Perhaps some of the components might be made overseas, but I seriously
doubt all of the guns will be made in china. Tippmann just built a HUGE
building here in Fort Wayne 3 or 4 years ago, to handle all of their
production.
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Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 12:04pm
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THEN, they were sold to some investment company, If it was still 100% Tippmann family owned, then I would be REALLY surprised if they moved. But, now with Summit Partners and all the crap they do, I wouldn't be too surprised -------------
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 1:50pm
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Jesus. Why overseas products are "crappier" than American products- Quality Control (the guy catching all the mistakes) is generally poorer in most overseas manufacturing plants. However, there are some companies that move qualified Quality Control experts overseas. Materials. When a product's manufacturing is moved, it's source of materials also has to move. Instead of shipping metals made in Indiana or Ohio, the material instead comes from Beijing or Shanghai. Sure, they can make decent products. BUT, the problem is the majority of steel and other metals in Chind (for example) are going towards it's booming building construction. Entire citys are being moved for the largest dam to date (to match the largest wall ever made), and the higher quality metals are used for this. Therefore, trying to get these higher end materials for a mere paintball gun will actually be more expensive than in the states. So, in order for most companies that move manufacturing overseas to actually save money (don't forget SHIPPING costs back to the states) they have to cut down a few things. But of course, labor overhead (salaries and benefits) is the main factor for moving overseas. And to restate- anyone who actually believes this ignorant statement needs to stay in school or go back to school. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: Tippyprouser
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 1:57pm
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Well....atleast i know that i have bought my Tippmann made in america.... ------------- Setup: Tippmann Custom Pro E-trigger 12" All American BT Folding Stock GTA Inline Expansion Chamber Kit Dead on Pro seal Cyclone Feed System Remote Line Polished internals |
Posted By: Ethos
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 3:57pm
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Why do you ppl hate China so much? And if it's because of your fear that China will become a greater super power than America, then so what? You don't have the balls to admit someone, or something, is superior to you or America? It'll be quite some time before China overtakes American industry. Look at the market nowadays, everything is either from China or Japan (which is i.m.o. better off economically than America). This comment's more aimed at the racist idiots that automatically associate all things Chinese with "evil communism" and all crappy products. |
Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 4:02pm
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"evil communsim"??? what, you think communism isn't evil? then why dont you GO LIVE THERE for a year and see how it is like If they become a greater power then us by controling our economy, that they will stop the production of goods going to the US(remember they have the power to, thier commies), then screwing over our economy, they attack us. And becasue we have no economy anymore, we have nothing to fight back with -------------
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Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:10pm
Well, over 80% of Canada's trade is with America. And most of that are automobiles and parts. So if you have a car, or need some car parts, it probably came from Canada. Up where I live, we have a lot of tire plants, so maby even the tires you drive on are from Canada. Also Canada has a huge pulp and paper industry, so the paper you write on was probably made in Canada. Also wheat and potatoes make up a huge trade with America. ------------- Ref: I want a nice clean game player: but it's paintball! |
Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:11pm
Well, I do believe America still has a large stock pile of nukes. ------------- Ref: I want a nice clean game player: but it's paintball! |
Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:16pm
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Yea, but Who (talking about United Nations) would approve use of Nukes,
even though I HATE the UN, and that we have to get approved from Tincy,
wincy little countries on what we should do, It would never happen,
unless we were on the brink of no more US, but by then they would have
gotten to most of our nukes (if any)
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:34pm
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I see Chinese Tippmanns within 2 years. Tippmann already went from heavy well made cast and milled metal recievers to stamped metals and injected plastics, and even the grade of plastics is down from a few years ago.
Most heavy manufacturing is cheaper overseas even with import duties cost is still way under american manufacturing and labor costs. Lets see an "american car" made in detroit years ago costs $15,000, based on $20.00 plus an hour, now same car made in mexico (thx NAFTA) for $0.50 an hour now costs $20,000, and not as well made either. You all figure out when Tippmann will move, now that it is coperate owned. ------------- 
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Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 6:25pm
You make communism sound like a bad thing. Communism was created to be the perfect government where everyone had a job, every one was payed the same amount, everyone had food. It is only to be made bad by the people who only had the need for the greed. And the coruption that occured due to the vast amount of power they held. ------------- 95 base neon 3.0 cai, knifedged crankshaft 60 mill throttle body,14 crane cam crane springs/retainers eagle rods port matched/ polished intake p&p head shaved .015 phantom grip diff dohc exuast |
Posted By: SPtippmann98
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:43pm
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But that's the problem, "every one was payed the same amount" noone earns a higher salary by doing better or poorer in their job, here we have sort of the same thing, Union Night Shift Custodians getting paid $30 an hour to sleep in the locker room, when they're supposed to be working(seen happen personally), and the company can't fire him cause the Union will whine and complain until they get their way. Thats why companies are moving, cause of higher labor costs. Then you have Welfare(**the following is just an example, not meant to offend anyone with the recent events**) New Orleans, you have 3 GENERATIONS of families that have not worked a SINGLE day in their LIFE, why?? WELFARE, they are being supported by OUR TAXES. I'd be one thing if they were trying to get a job and spport themselves but they don't. You know why half of the residnets didn't leave before the Hurricane? (other then the fact their were no buses, *Cough* Mayor *Cough*) It was almost time for thier Welfare checks to come in the mail, so they needed their money -------------
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Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 8:49pm
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Well, SPtippmann 98 does make a good point. Everybody is paid equally,
so there is no "class". Of course, if you were a member of the HAZMAT
demolition group, constantly putting your life on the line, getting
paid the same as me, a secratary at the state library, something is
telling me you may feel a little "cheated", or "unfairly treated". Of
course, in capatilism, you get rewarded for how hard you work,
and also get paid well for dangerous work. To use another example, lets
say your a neurobrain surgen, and does open heart transplants on the
side. I'm again a secratary at the library. In a pure communist state,
we'd get paid the same. As soon as someone says "this doctor is worth
more than that secratary", were introducing capatilist idealogies. I
have to wonder, if there ever was a pure communist society, how long it
would last before the doctors, professors, firefighters, HAZMAT
demolitions and engineers started wondering why they were getting the
same as a secretarty. As soon as those thoughts come to mind, we'd be
looking at a revolution.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 9:47pm
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I guess none of you ever saw the utopia of East Berlin back in the day. A true Socialist/Communist paradise, gray, bleak, desolate, but they all got payed the same to stare at the lights and oppulance of the wicked capitalist society on the other side of the wall thier leaders deemed necesary to keep them in thier workers paradise. -------------
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Posted By: NasdaQ
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:40am
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Well its not like the US follows much of what the UN says anyway so what would it matter.... (did the UN aprove of US going into IRAQ i think not...) ------------- No Sprinkles! for every sprinkle I find i shall kill you. Stewie Grifin |
Posted By: Sargent Duck
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 11:28am
LOL, that's the best description of communism I've ever heard. I've also read about the looooooong line-ups for bread, the thriving black market for items that us capatilists take for granted (high quality bars of soap (like dove) was in pretty big demand I seem to remember reading, as well as other items like peanut butter had to be bought on the black market). Not to mention the fact that they all did get paid the same, bare minimum. So although everyone was equal, everyone was all equally poor. ------------- Ref: I want a nice clean game player: but it's paintball! |