Flatline vs Apex
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Topic: Flatline vs Apex
Posted By: Lt. Wolfwood
Subject: Flatline vs Apex
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:56pm
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Im sure this quesiton has been asked already but i wanted to know my self couase im going to get one of these barrels, so witch you think is better ------------- Marker Setup: -Tippmann Custom Pro E -12vlt Revolution Hopper -Model 98 Flatline Barrel -20oz Pure energy tank |
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:57pm
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Lt. Wolfwood wrote:Posted By: Cheetos3254
Date Posted: 01 October 2005 at 11:00pm
| I'm gonna have to say flatline! |
Posted By: Lt. Wolfwood
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 8:17am
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LOL you wont see me, your probably right. I didnt really think of that, but thanks. ------------- Marker Setup: -Tippmann Custom Pro E -12vlt Revolution Hopper -Model 98 Flatline Barrel -20oz Pure energy tank |
Posted By: Mr. Heckler
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 12:30pm
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I'm a Flatline fan. What about you YWSM? ------------- The Tippmann Forums.....My Anti-Drug. -98Custom -Flatline -6-Position Collapsible Stock -32 Degrees Remote Hose -Crossman Red Dot |
Posted By: ThunderPants
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 12:36pm
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apex= super flatline and you dont have to take apart your gun to install it like a flatty, i would deffinetley go with the apex its been awhile YWSM, did you get mean? ------------- teamtriggerhappy.com eatonpaint.com wevopaintball.com |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 1:10pm
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Everybody will have their own opinion on this question. But I persoanlly think the Apex is better. I mean is has the capabilities of the Flatline and more. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 2:08pm
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I'd rather take the flatline. The apex is illegal in tournies(not sure why you'd use one in it anyway) and by teh time you sit there and adjust it you're going to end up getting flanked/bunkered.
And sorry if the first post sounded a little harsh. I posted it right after flaming that ollie guy and probably was still a little mad. |
Posted By: ThunderPants
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 3:35pm
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apex's arent tourney legal? why? ------------- teamtriggerhappy.com eatonpaint.com wevopaintball.com |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 3:58pm
| According to mike from county they arent. |
Posted By: ThunderPants
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 4:08pm
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thats stupid, just because they can "hook" around bunkers? ------------- teamtriggerhappy.com eatonpaint.com wevopaintball.com |
Posted By: TippmannBro
Date Posted: 02 October 2005 at 4:59pm
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Yesh, my friend, it can hook around bunkers. Wow. Yet another way for bad paintball players to cover up their lack of skills. ------------- WAR EAGLE!!! |
Posted By: County
Date Posted: 03 October 2005 at 11:40pm
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The Apex is pretty much an adjustable flatline. You can adjust the amount of curve and the direction. It's really an awesome barrel - but it IS illegal in tournament paintball.
You can use it in scenario and most other rec-style games though. It does give you a big advantage. ------------- http://www.EZOfficePool.com - Free NXL and NPPL Office Pools, pw: 'gogged' http://www.CountySports.com/shop/news.php - Newsletter - Coupons |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 10:16am
Pwned! Good reply.  ------------- 
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 12:32pm
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Go with the Flatty... its proven... not some lame cheater gimmick like the Apex. What is the point of having bunkers, if you can't have good cover, because some no skill cheaters got a trick barrel? We might as well start playing paintball like pre-Revolutionary War... just line up and shoot at each other... ------------- Xs. A5, GTA; Flatline, Double Trigger, R/T, Tapco Stock, 32° Remote, Attitude Forum: meeting place or medium for discussion of matters of public interest. NOT INTERESTED? DON'T POST! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 1:50pm
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I wonder why spyderman keeps calling the Apex a "cheater gimmick"? Could it be that he just got his Flatline, and now wishes he had waited for the Apex, and his defense mechanisms are in full effect? I don't think anybody should be calling an Apex a "cheater gimmick" - least of all people with Flatlines. Whiner Luddite. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 6:54pm
You know, some people think the exact same thing about the Flatline. It shoots farther and flatter than a standard barrel, so don't you think Tippmann was trying to create an unfair advantage by creating it?! Lots of people feel the Flatline is a "cheater gimmick" barrel, just FYI. Now, Ben Tippmann has left and owned them with a barrel that is just plain superior from the looks of it, and instead of admitting the Flatline is inferior, you rip the superior product. basically anything bad about the Apex you could say about the Flatline, and the Apex has some clear and distinct advantages over the Flatline. Also, I would dare say the Apex will improve all forms of paintball! No more little cowards hiding behind the safest bunker on the field hiding behind their firepower! One Apex barrel could wrap around and clear his lazy ass out of there. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 6:55pm
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"I don't think anybody should be calling an Apex a "cheater gimmick" - least of all people with Flatlines"
^^^^^^exactly^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
Posted By: monty_sniper
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 8:44pm
kent i bet your a noob and don't know what your talking about. For my backup gun i have both i like flatline better. Apex is for n00bs. Everyone knows that. ------------- 98% of ion owners think ions are better than any high end gun. If you would like to bonus ball these idiots put this in your sig. Proud owner of 3 guns and counting. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 9:30pm
| That must be it. I'm a n00b. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 9:51pm
| I must be a n00b as well, because I sold my A5 Flatline after using it for a few months, and I think the Apex looks like a more promising barrel. |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 9:57pm
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I think neither are all that great and over priced. Standard barrels
are much more accurate and not as loud. That Apex looks goofy, as far
as appearence the A-5 Flatline has it beat hands down. And as far as
durability I think the Tippmann Flatlines will out-last the Apex.
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-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 04 October 2005 at 10:40pm
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I don't think either is really overpriced, but I do prefer a quality one-piece.
Looks are personal preference, but I actually like the looks of the Apex. Have you ever shot an A5 w/Flatline? They may look kinda cool, but they make the gun very front-heavy and unbalanced. And I'm 6'2" and not weak by any means, it just makes the gun uncomfortably balanced. I haven't seen the mechanics of the Apex, so I can't comment on the durability. But it's made by Ben Tippmann for christ's sake! just because the dude doesn't make "Tippmann" paintguns anymore doesn't mean he changed his views on reliability. With all the people complaining about their A5 Flatlines needing re-texturing, I wouldn't want to harpe on their durability. |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 05 October 2005 at 10:31am
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^ I've seen both, The Apex is all plastic up front at the business part
of the barrel, With a good jab into an Air bunker or the ground or
whatever I bet it breaks. As far as refurbishing the Flatline I had mine for over a year and shot a bunch of paint through it and never had problems. And I dont care what Ben Tippmann makes or whatnot. -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: aGUYnamedLARRY
Date Posted: 05 October 2005 at 10:51am
| I heard flatlines are pretty worthless after about 20,000 rounds, is that true? |
Posted By: neocool00
Date Posted: 05 October 2005 at 3:03pm
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My brother-in-law has an original Flatline (bought it two days after it was released to the public). I don't know how many shots he's put through it, but it still works as good as the day he got it. ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom 14" J&J Ceramic Q-Loader Lapco Direct Feedneck Dye Sticky Grips 20oz w/ on/off valve coiled remote line JT Spectra 260 Thermals JT Tatical Gloves Olive Green Flight Suit |
Posted By: Alienbow13
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 12:34am
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The Apex is tourney illegal is because teams can "dial them in " and then every player on one team could focus on a specific bunker and the person in that one bunker could be getting shot at from every angle. well atleast that is how it is explained to me. But i really like the concept of the Apex barrel even though i have my flatline and havent really used teh apex much. ------------- One step I leave an imprint, Two steps is commitment |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 11:03am
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Well, Like I said I haven't seent he Apex to compare, but I did own an A5 Flatline which promptly sold to Kreeper-X.
Quite honedstly, I find it hard to believe that Ben Tippmann would make a product anything less than totally durable and reliable. The Apex has been out for long enough that we would have started to hear reports of barrels snapping and breaking, but we haven't and probably aren't. Just because BT left doesn't mean his dedication to quality paintgun products has changed! It's funny, when he's producing stuff under the "Tippmann" label, you love his stuff. Once he tries to do his own thing, he gets no respect. personally, I would show some more respect for the man that was a big part of the Tippmann Co. well, if you enjoy shooting your Tippmanns that is. I had the Flatline and was unpleased with the accuracy, the weight of the barrel, the bulkiness, how hard it was to clean, and the fact that you can't tilt your gun or the balls will wing al over the place. the Apex seems to have addressed nearly all these issues, from a Manufacturer that we know and trust, all for no more than $20 extra, and you get adjustability to top it off and completely own the Flatline...why are you hating? ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 3:17pm
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^ I traded (2) Tippmanns for an ION with ups. So like I said I dont
care what Ben Tippmann is doing or WHATNOT! I mainly come here to help
the newer players because when I was new to the sport and my A-5 I got
alot of advice here and I try to return some of that. I heard the Apex isnt all that accurate anyways, plus it's made from plastic (the working part) so in my book it's a waste of money. They want nearly $100.00 (right?) for that thing? BAH! -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 8:34pm
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I paid $100 for my Flatline, and it was made of metal, but it wasn't all that accurate either.
I still wouldn't call it a waste of money. It did what it was advertised as, just those features came along with some drawbacks that I couldn't really comfortably/enjoyably play with. I haven't used an Apex, but until I hear solid confirmation otherwise(the video on it looked pretty primising, IMO), I don't have any reason to knock its performance. I would personally trust Mike from CountyPaintball, and if he says it's "an adjustable Flatline", I will take his word for it. I personally give Ben Tippmann props for putting his company on the map in a big way. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: County
Date Posted: 06 October 2005 at 9:32pm
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I know a lot of people knock something if it's made from plastic. These days, plastic can be very strong. In most cases with paintball, something that's made of plastic is still more than strong enough. I wouldn't turn away from a product simply because it's plastic.
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Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 4:43pm
I'm sure the first few guys that got tagged by the flatline at 150' thought it was a cheat. I'm sure the same was said about the semi, the first e-grip, and the R/T. This is just my opinion. If I were a field owner, I would not allow the Apex in any type of game. One basic premise of paintball is that you will be allowed to have cover. You think it will prevent some from nesting behind a bunker for to long? An Apex user could find cover and theoretically own most of the field wthout ever moving, and in some cases shoot without leaving cover... blind firing from cover which is cheating... I can only truly respect full mechanical markers... no batteries, no field adjustable crap. I set my R/T and FPS in the chrono shack and play... not allowing adjustments in the field is a fundamental rule of paintball. ------------- Xs. A5, GTA; Flatline, Double Trigger, R/T, Tapco Stock, 32° Remote, Attitude Forum: meeting place or medium for discussion of matters of public interest. NOT INTERESTED? DON'T POST! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 5:08pm
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All these "basic" premises and "fundamental" rules... You don't get out much, do you... At my preferred field, there isn't much cover - concealment, yes, cover, no - and we play with whatever adjustable stuff we want. And guess what - we all have lots of fun!! I stand corrected - you are not a Luddite. You are myopic. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 5:10pm
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I really just can't see how someone could support the Flatline but not this barrel.
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 5:27pm
| I'd say Apex. You can adjust it to be like a Flatty, and other ways if you need to. I'd deffinetly say Apex. |
Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 5:27pm
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CK! Hostile much? ^^^^ I "get out much" to one of the most respected and well run paintball facilities in the USA... Hell Survivors in Michigan... Home of the Tippmann challenge, Global Conquest, Monster Game... I also play at other local fields with rules and safety first policies that keep the game fun and fair. We have one field locally that has a free for all atmosphere. It is very poorly run and a hazardous environment for all that cross into the parking lot, let alone the playing fields. Luddite? I live by new technology... my carreer is all about it... and why would someone who has myopia need a Flatline? Nice big words though... we are all impressed. BT Apex users probably need the compensation... I could see someone that who was handicapped being allowed to use one... maybe someone with a physical disability. It could make a nice equalizer for someone with special needs. Did I mention that the Apex is really ugly to boot? Atleast my Flatty looks cool. ------------- Xs. A5, GTA; Flatline, Double Trigger, R/T, Tapco Stock, 32° Remote, Attitude Forum: meeting place or medium for discussion of matters of public interest. NOT INTERESTED? DON'T POST! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:10pm
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Not hostile - astounded. You clearly have a very specific view of what paintball is and ought to be - with your "fundamental" rules that somehow I manage to do without. Your posts simply speak of complete lack of perspective, that's all. But that's fine - you play your way, I'll play my way. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 7:12pm
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As a former A5 Flatline owner, I came to the conclusion that all it does is compensate for laziness, and offer a cheap way to get eliminations with no chance of being hit yourself.
If you want to harpe about fair play, why would you support a barrel that shoots farther and flatter than any other? Shouldn't you be consistent in your demand for fair play? ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 7:36pm
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I think we all should play a game with some BE Talons. Yeah the Apex is fugly in my eyes too! -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: alucardhellsing
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 9:11pm
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what do u mean by hook?? like it can go around corners?? wow that like stupid i say STOCK BARREL ------------- shooting is being able to hit your target. |
Posted By: Jackal14
Date Posted: 09 October 2005 at 9:27pm
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In my own opinon the APEX is much better looking then the flatline. Also since my cousin owns an APEX and i used to own a Flatline, i can say it feels alot less front heavy. The plastic feels very durible as well. Overall i hope some airsmiths start selling them for the Phantom because i would love to try it out on that.
And why do you feel the need to say that APEX users need the compensation. Compensation my @$$ for one, my cousin is 22 he has played tourney ball for about 6 years, then he left and started playing woods for 3years n counting. And i can asure you hes not trying to compensate for anything. The barrel is fun to use and he likes to mess around with it. Why do you use the flatline ? To get more range? so you can hit poeple when your out of thier range? APEX is same concept jack@$$ just it also allows you to curve the ball in different directions. Stop bashing a product you have never tried. OHHH GOSH ITS PLASTIC that means it sucks... get you head out of you @ss. You dont always have to like new technology.... but your going to have to deal with it. It only makes it worse when you b!tch about it. peace Ohh yes, back to the same question. Dont ask for advice from those who never used that product in question. Since i used both, i would have to say the APEX, as for it being plastic, the plastic is durible and wont give you a problem unless you smash it against concrete. Kevin ------------- -Tippmann 98 Custom 14" J&J Ceramic Palmer Stab (Female-ASA) -Tippmann 98 Custom 12" Teardrop |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 12:38am
| ^I agree. |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 11:23am
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Nice filter dodging there Jackal. I've seen the Apex in action I still
think it sucks. Its not that accurate and is louder than a standard
strait barrel you can buy that is cheaper and more accurate. So go
waste your money on one, see if I care.
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-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 2:16pm
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^You seem to care. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 3:08pm
Dude, you are so far up Ben Tippmanns butt it's not even funny. -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 3:11pm
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^hehe, you just have an agenda, because he broke you off with an Apex and no lube. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 3:55pm
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-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Jackal14
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 4:35pm
lol I will add to what i had said yesterday. I like the APEX and i also kinda like the flatline, but APEX MORE! But non of the two barrels are worth what they sell for to be honest. Its a damn barrel ------------- -Tippmann 98 Custom 14" J&J Ceramic Palmer Stab (Female-ASA) -Tippmann 98 Custom 12" Teardrop |
Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 8:06pm
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Forget about them both and buy a Freak kit. ------------- 
It's been changed jackass. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 8:16pm
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^I'd buy a Sceptor before I bought a Freak. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |