super rt?
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Topic: super rt?
Posted By: baconking
Subject: super rt?
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 4:51pm
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i have a response trigger and i'm trying to figure out if i want to make it even faster. ive heard about the super rt but how much more air does it use? |
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 5:31pm
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It doesn't use any extra air, and the normal response trigger doesn't
either, it uses excess blowback gas, which is the result of blowback
from your gun.
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Posted By: Cheetos3254
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 5:31pm
| i think it uses the same amount but it just makes more air flow through the lines (faster) |
Posted By: baconking
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:10pm
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cool, so i just call up tippmann and tell them what? and i bet a wider hose wouldnt freeze up as bad as the little skinny ones using co2. and i guess i need a faster hopper. how fast can i expect this to shoot? also, how would i go about installing one? do i need bigger fittings? |
Posted By: gsw.3
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 9:33pm
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baconking wrote:Posted By: ultmate98
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 9:39pm
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search supre r/t. there is a ton of info in here on it ------------- Warning: Exposure to the Son may prevent burning http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72746bo6.gif">  Christ Krew
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Posted By: TippmanHotshot
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 10:08pm
| Well, for me, I would just use a VL Revolution, which is rated about 12 bps. Besides, the RT is rated at 15 BPS, and unless going full auto, is hard to reach anyways. |
Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 10 October 2005 at 11:43pm
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This is where i have to disagree. I know people say it doesn't, but when i have an RT on my a5 and get two hundred shots off a 47/3000, it makes sense that it munches more air. be warned or have a big tank. ------------- 
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Posted By: ekim98
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 1:02am
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you don't mention what marker you've got. if it's an a5 then you may
not see a big improvement. if you have a 98custom and only get 12 bps
you probably need to retune it. a super rt on a 98c should need a halo
b or an egg to keep up if it's tuned right. if your worried about how
much extra air it might use then you probably shouldn't even go to the
super rt,because you will be shooting more paint too.
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Posted By: baconking
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 4:04pm
| i have a 98 custom. i just got an AK so i'll probably wait a while to get a faster hopper. but what do i tell tippmann i need? |
Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:17pm
| Tell them you bought the LPK and the r/t and that you need the larger fittings. |
Posted By: baconking
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 5:23pm
| and theres no disadvantages to it? |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 6:06pm
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Uses no extra air. It just seems like it because your shooting more shots in a shorter period of time. Super RT requires polishing your internals, buying LP RT line, and putting the stock sear spring in. Call Tippmann and ask for "Low Pressure Kit Response trigger Line and Fittings." Expect 18-24cps, Halo B is pretty much mandatory. Although I have no Super RT mods, I have managed to get my RT up to 20bps. ------------- 
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Posted By: baconking
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 6:37pm
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cant i just get like an evolution and keep the rt tuned low? and i have to put the stock spring back in? i would think that i'd need a heavier sear spring to catch the bolt better because its going so fast. that seems like it would mess something up. |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:05pm
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If your using an EVO, theres no point in really having the Super RT. That hopper cant feed past 17bps which you can acheive without the mods. Doing these mods may only make it easier to sustain that speed. Putting in the stock sear spring allows less time for the bolt to fully reset the sear resulting in a slightly faster ROF, but perhaps some mis-fires. With the Super RT mods it will be much easier to sustain maxing-out your hopper. Heres my RT (no mods other than polished internals), starting at 17bps and as the burst lengethens gets up to 19bps. I have chrononed it at 20 on the feild. http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=mountains-summer-181 - http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=mountains-summer-181 -------------
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Posted By: baconking
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:27pm
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wait, i can see how many bps i'm shooting with a chrono? and are there a lot of misfires? how often do they happen? |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 8:13pm
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A lot of chronos measure BPS as well as FPS. I know those red ones do. If you shoot faster than 6bps it will automaticaly measure BPS. Iv never tried it with my stock sear spring in. I never get mis-fires with my RT although the bolt does sometimes stick back because of the stronger spring. I get double shots from the Halo B pushing balls past the detents occasionaly too. Nothing to worry about though. -------------
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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 9:51pm
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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 11 October 2005 at 9:53pm
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Posted By: ekim98
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 8:31pm
the a5 is known to be a gas/air hog anyway, and running the cyclone feed and a rt you probably have to turn up the velocity just to have it the same (fps)if your not using the rt. plus your using hpa which on my 98c doesn't shot as fast(fps) as when i use co2. not sure why !! i'm not sure if the super rt (lpk hose and fittings) will do any good on an a5 ------------- |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:16am
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A-5 has the same efficiancy as a 98. With any RT/Cyclone upgrades on either gun it remains the same. The blowback happens after the propelling stage. The extra blowback is a lot more than you think. Efficiancy has been tested and it has concluded same, or very close efficancy. You may experiance higher velocity with co2 because of spikes, inconsistant pressure, ect. -------------
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Posted By: Skitz
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 2:22pm
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Do you think an apache would be able to keep up with the Super RT? I've heard they can feed close to 20bps. ------------- Tippmann 98 custom RT Apache 14" J&J ceramic Black/green hybrid grip Broadsword vest Remote line Proto Switch EL |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 3:38pm
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Ricochets are agitating hoppers meaning they can not consistantly and steadily feed over 16bps. It should be fine for short bursts just under 20, but not very reliable for much if anything else. tigman250 has an Apache and Super RT, he could give you a more direct answer/advice. -------------
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Posted By: ekim98
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 11:14pm
whom did the efficany test you refer to. i've heard that an a5 with it's cyclone feed and an rt will have more shoot down and to over come this you have to up the velocity , hence you would use more air/co2!! ------------- |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 9:14pm
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Nooooope. The valve has pretty much a two-step function. Step one is the propelling of the ball where the gas goes from the valve, through the recessions in the valve body, and down the powertube/bolt. Immediantly after this split second, the valve spring starts to push the bolt back, changing the path of the air from the powertube/front bolt to the rear bolt out of the valve body. Within this area is a "notch" like part in the valve body which leads to the hole in the powertube to the RT and out of the valve to propell the rear bolt. And even if you did have to turn up the velocity to cope with any loss, it changes no efficiancy. The velocity screw simply diverts flow through the powertube; the valve is still struck with the same force. A gun with the v-screw all the way in will get the same efficancy with the screw all the way out. Info on A-5s consistancy- http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index.php?act=ST&f=40&t=342&s=934417add87eee4fa6a63460904b10cb - http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index.php?act=ST&f= 40&t=342&s=934417add87eee4fa6a63460904b10cb Same (actualy more) shots with RT than without it. -------------
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 9:45pm
Even if that were true, due to the way tippmanns adjust velocity you still wouldn't be using any more gas. Tippmann simply adjust the flow of air instead of the amount of air itself when you adjust velocity, so your using the same amount of air wheather your shooting 180fps or 300fps Edit: darn you trig |