I found myself debating this too, only it was when I was shopping for a gun. Back then, I decided to go with a 98C, because the way I figured it, one paintball one kill. But now I am moving into tournaments and I am definatley at a disadvantage. I now would rather have the option of shooting fast than not having the ability to.

aGUYnamedLARRY wrote: Well yeah I know that'd be fun  but I don't have enough money to shoot like that and besides,  how does it increase your chances of getting people out?

More balls in the air, more of a chance of one hitting your target...

One question: Have you ever played Speedball?

Yuck...speedball......

Nah, just kidding......  I'd play speedball if I could keep up with the younger crowd.  So that's why I prefer woodsball.  Completely different kind of strategy.

Cheetos3254 wrote: Umm say your shooting 20 balls per second. The balls are say maybe 8in. apart in the air. try running through a rope of paintballs without getting hit. you probably cant.

What the heck are you talking about?

300 FPS divided by 20 bps = 15 foot gaps.  Check your math.

To put it more realistically, 300bps would equal one ball per 12 inches.

The only thing i see helpful about fast shooting is purely intimidation.  So if your opponent is bold and unafraid, the person shooting 20 bps is probably going to get owned in the face and in the wallet.

The gap is actually quite a bit less than 15 feet downrange, as the balls start catching up with the earlier balls that have slowed down some...

But regardless - you won't be able to run through that 15-foot gap either.  You have 1/20th of a second to pass through the rope - your body is, let's say, two feet wide.  To move two feet in 1/20th of a second you would have to be moving at 40 feet/second, which is equal to 27 mph.  Or, to put it in Olympic terms, you would be running the 100-yard dash in 7.5 seconds, which would be significantly faster than the current world record.

And, of course, even if you could run that fast (with all your gear), you would still have to time it perfectly to make it through.

2 bps you can run through.  20 bps you can NOT run through.  That's some pretty good utility right there.

AND, while I'm at it - another situation that happens frequently, particularly in the woods, is that you are trading paint with another player in a low-probability situation.  This could be shooting at extreme range, but more likely due to obstruction - you are both trying to shoot through a bush at each other.

Let's say one ball in 3 will make it through the bush - and you still might miss, of course.  If your opponent is shooting 2 bps and you are shooting 20 bps, you have a significant mathematical advantage over your opponent.

Another example, from a personal recent speedball experience.  I was playing with my A-5 RT w/Flatline.  I noticed one of the back players on the other team casually walking across the back of the field (large field), thinking he was out of range.  Of course, with my Flatline I could reach him, but I had no meaningful accuracy at that range.  So I unloaded as fast as the RT would go.  By the time he realized somebody was shooting at him and went for cover, there were 50 balls in the air, and I got the kill.  Shooting 2 bps I would have had ZERO chance of getting him out, Flatline or no.

There are plenty of times when ROF is not particularly important.  But to say that it is never helpful is just silly.

aGUYnamedLARRY wrote: About bunkering people? I've bunkered people with 2 shots just as well as I've seen people do it with 100  so what's the use there?

Take out your passion on your enemy, mostly. Or to make SURE he's out.

Clark Kent wrote: The gap is actually quite a bit less than 15 feet downrange, as the balls start catching up with the earlier balls that have slowed down some... But regardless - you won't be able to run through that 15-foot gap either.  You have 1/20th of a second to pass through the rope - your body is, let's say, two feet wide.  To move two feet in 1/20th of a second you would have to be moving at 40 feet/second, which is equal to 27 mph.  Or, to put it in Olympic terms, you would be running the 100-yard dash in 7.5 seconds, which would be significantly faster than the current world record. And, of course, even if you could run that fast (with all your gear), you would still have to time it perfectly to make it through. 2 bps you can run through.  20 bps you can NOT run through.  That's some pretty good utility right there.

you actually pay attention in math class??

 PCF covered alot my point's. Overshooting works excellent for the battle against wiper's and creating a shooting lane thru brush.

For wood's ball I can dump 900 round's in under 15 minute's or spend 3 hours in the field and have some pods full when I walk off.

In speedball I rarely run out of paint.  Thing's just happen too fast.

Sometime's it's just fun.

Like Hway said I'd rather have access to the extreme BPS option rather than not have it.

procarbinefreak wrote:   in the tourny/speedball world you gotta take into account the chnaces of any WIPING that may occur... so you gotta sent a few more just to make sure :-D

Fixed.

;)

That's at your home field (Siege?).  What is your experience with wipers in tournaments at other fields?

I find that wiping varies quite a bit from place to place.  And despite my comment to the contrary, I must admit that I see most wiping in scenario games and big games.

Cheetos3254 wrote: DarkSideEchoes wrote: Cheetos3254 wrote: Umm say your shooting 20 balls per second. The balls are say maybe 8in. apart in the air. try running through a rope of paintballs without getting hit. you probably cant. What the heck are you talking about? 300 FPS divided by 20 bps = 15 foot gaps.  Check your math. To put it more realistically, 300bps would equal one ball per 12 inches. The only thing i see helpful about fast shooting is purely intimidation.  So if your opponent is bold and unafraid, the person shooting 20 bps is probably going to get owned in the face and in the wallet. O im sorry for my misleading information. Well its defiantely not 15 feet apart though buddy. try again.

prove me wrong and i'll believe it.

I think I already mentioned that it isn't 15 feet apart...

15 feet assumes constant velocity, which obviously no paintball has.  Each paintball is moving faster than the ball in front of it, constantly catching up.

The exact distance will depend on how far downrange you are, but the further from the gun, the closer the balls.

Clark Kent wrote: It's fun.

lol

the only time i would shoot fast is that i know where someone is and they are posted on me, and off the break, and if i see someone shooting at someone and they dont know im there, but i only fire like 8-10 balls in these scenarios

other than that i try to move around and get better angles so i can shoot at someone

also if you go to http://www.pigtv.net - www.pigtv.net and watch some of the videos you can notice that the team that lays out more paint will most likely win.

but thats speedball, the more paint you shoot the better your chances of winning are, in woodsball the more stealthy and the least amount of shots the better your chances are of getting someone out.