Do you Belive in Destiny?
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Topic: Do you Belive in Destiny?
Posted By: Panda Man
Subject: Do you Belive in Destiny?
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:25pm
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just curious, someone asked me that today and I really didn't have a
full answer. My belife(sorry I'm pushing my belifes on you) But I
really don't think there is, closest thing we have is luck.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:26pm
| Define "destiny". |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:27pm
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^You're born with your life planned out completely. ------------- 
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Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:28pm
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No I dont believe in destiny...I think if you want to do something you can those who say they cant and blame it on something are just looking for an excuss ------------- 
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:28pm
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Things don't happen for a Reason, there is somthing that has already
been predetermined about your life, you will end up the way you are
because of not Choice/Consiquence, but just because your life was
written before you knew it.
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Posted By: RollnROCK89i
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:30pm
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Why exactly is your life pre-written? |
Panda Man wrote:Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:35pm
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That was my eplanation, not my answer. if you wanna get dumb with this.... here is what the all mighty knowing dictionary wrote.
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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:35pm
Here we go. -------------
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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:37pm
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thats actually a deep question , i am not 100% on what i would say ------------- 
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Posted By: RollnROCK89i
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:38pm
Oh, sorry, thought you were giving your answer. |
Posted By: paintbusta
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:44pm
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its my destiny to be on dynasty some day i know it my mom told me ------------- 
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:45pm
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I dont believe in it. I dont like knowing that my life is planned out. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:46pm
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sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:46pm
No problem, Me personally I belive in Consiqunces and luck.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:48pm
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The dictionary definition only creates more questions. "Destiny" makes no sense in a vacuum. If we are talking true determinism, that requires a very specific religious belief to go along with it. It we are talking Chinese fortune cookie destiny ("you will achieve great things"), there are a variety of religious beliefs that could make that happen. Different varieties of "destiny" require different underlying beliefs as to the functioning of the universe.
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 5:55pm
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The only things I dislike about "Fortune Cookie" messages is that there
to broad, maybe great things WILL Happen but they will be such small
doses it didn't matter. But Belifes/Religion do Start to mix in with it, which I really don't like to discuss because everyone has a diffrent belife. My question is a Yes/No question with a small explination. I don't like when people get Judgemental towards others for a Religious vaule. -------------
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Posted By: Bounty
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:22pm
| I like to think Im in control rather than just following a set of directions. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:32pm
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:33pm
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Girls tend to believe in destiny. Guys are like "FORGET THAT I'M HARD I PLAY BY MY OWN RULES I DO WHAT I WANT". I'm unsure on how trannies feel about the situation. Hades? DaveEllis? |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:36pm
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Wow....beyonce has some boobs. Back to topic: I do not believe your life is planned out. People can say it is planned out, some people say it's not. If i say to you right now i'm going to go run around my house, is that planned? Maybe. There's no way of telling. I hate to get into this, becuase i'm just gonan mumble off about religion and my beliefs. So i'm ending it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:40pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:53pm
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Destiny Doesn't Exist. If there was a God and he had a plan for us and yada yada why is there seriel killers and rapists? ------------- 
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 6:55pm
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werd... anyways we have free choice! ------------- http://www.freewebs.com/outlawspaintball/index.htm - Outlaws *Sponsors* http://www.abrika.ca - Abrika |
Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 7:37pm
But thats an open opinion, because then you can say that you chose the thing because it was destiny. So in all reality there is no life. Case closed. Example: If i went on to become a professional baseball player and tehn decieded to do drugs and become an addict, what is the destiny? I didn't have to do drugs and i would have been fine. So there is a life choice for ya. ------------- [IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6924/willproducsv6.jpg"> |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 8:38pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if there were destiny on some level. Like, from a scientific standpoint. What if all the little tiny atoms or molecules aren't moving at random but are actually moving a specific path. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we discovered that. It's not like we're not making our own choices, it's just that our own choices are already made up based on how WE are made up. I also believe that I don't think you're ready for this jelly. ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 8:51pm
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I don't beleive in Destiny, I think we have free will. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 11:05pm
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Not if your destiny is having free will.
People are like "If there's destiny than I won't break open my monitor with this crowbar". And then they do it. Jesus meant for you to own your monitor. Destiny is real children. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 11:46pm
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i'm just very superstitiuos. (sp) ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:04am
You raise an excellent point... Is it my destiny to became a man/woman or was it my choice to change? Is it God's fault or mine? I would like a religious person, "that believes in destiny but thinks gender confused people are yucky" opinion on this... ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:07am
Thats also a good part of why I dont beleive in Destiny. Whats the point of Heaven and Hell if people wont have choices. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:10am
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But God know everything so, he know your going to hell before your born, so why are you being born just to be sent to hell? Does that mean you have a choice to go to hell or not? -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:12am
If God knew if you were going to Heaven or Hell before you were born then it would be the same as Destiny which goes against free will . . . EDIT : To build on my point, if you consider every second you make a choice be it "should I kill this person?" or "should I pick my nose?". An example : Sally can pick between going out with jake or going out with bill. If she picks Jake she may have to choose between going to the movies with him or going to dinner where with bill She can choose between going hiking or going swimming. Each of those choices would branch out into more choices and more and more. A single choice could have trillions of possible outcomes. Further more thats just one choice. In order for God to know if a person would go to Heaven or Hell he would have to know every single one of the trillions and trillions of choices a person would make and the trillions and trillions of possible results for each choice. Therfore, it would be impossible for even God to know is a person would go to Heaven or Hell unless their life is led by Destiny or Fate which rules out Free Choice. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:17am
Exactly the problem. I am trying to run in circles. 
I dont think it is possble to logically answer the question from a religious view point. Thinking deeper I dont think science could answer it either. -------------
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:24am
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It basically comes down to the person. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:30am
Read my Edit. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:13am
Because along with the angels, saints and prophets. There are also demons, imps and natives, and the fallen ones. I beleive in destiny, and i beleive in fate. If you are talking about the theory that god has already planned out my life. Then, when i look at this glass sitting on my table, what i will do, has already been writen, weather i, choose to pick it up and drink from it, do nothing, spill the water, or chuck it against the wall and shatter the glass. In the end, in a spur of the moment impulse i pick it up and throw it behind my shoulder, i was destined to do that from the moment i looked at the cup. That is destiny. But fate. It is my fate to die young. It is my fate to die old, it is my fate to get shot in the face by my uncle by accident during a hunting trip. Fate is really a term we use for "causality". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:32am
God is said to be all knowing. Also God is said to be all powerful, making nothing impossible for God to do. Therefore God does know all the choices people are going to make. In theory, God knew at my birth that I would be typing this right now, and you would read this when you do. Sure there are billions of choices out there and God but followoing the logic god knows which one your going to pick at any given moment, therefore no "free" will. -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 5:47pm
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Excelent point. -------------
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 6:52pm
I could think about this forever and never come to a conclusion, it can't be proven.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 7:46pm
On the contrary God is said to have given us Free Will, the same way he is said to be all knowing. Your statement does not override the free will statement, it simpley clashes with it. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 8:21pm
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God has given you free will, but he knows what you are going to do with it. Does that answer your question?
And, the people that are going to hell, they still impact other peoples lives, they do serve a purpose. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 8:48pm
But if everybodys life is already planned then how would it impact people? ------------- [IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6924/willproducsv6.jpg"> |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 8:53pm
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What are you talking about?
People are like gears, we all interact and impact eachothers lives. The actions of one person impact another person that impacts another. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 8:57pm
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But if a person believes destiny, how does it matter what other people do ifluence you if life is already planned? Therefor, if nobody serves a purpose, why is there life? It's a continuous cycle. ------------- [IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6924/willproducsv6.jpg"> |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:04pm
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Eh, i went to school to understand this. You have free will. But got is all knowing, but he is all knowing, he knows what you are going to do before you do it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:10pm
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But in order for god to know what you are going to do, your action must be fixed... which leads back to determination, even if not by the hand of god. Knowledge of the future requires a predetermined future. A predetermined future requires lack of true choice. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:13pm
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No. No it doesnt.
I am free to do what i like. But god knows what i am going to do. Its my choice, but somehow, he knows what i will do. People have studdied this for hundreds of years. I barely understand it myself, its a lot to wrap your head around. I cant teach yall this over the internet. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:16pm
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But in order for god to know something, there must be something to know. In order for god to know my decision, my decision must already exist.
That's a bit presumptive, don't you think, to "teach" us? Mayhaps you aren't the only one to have studied epistemology, metaphysics, and determinism... The issue is not nearly as settled as you make it out to be. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:20pm
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You are thinking logicaly. God is anything but logical. He can do anything he likes. You arent dealing in normal rules. He knows, what you will do and how you will do it, because he is god, he is all knowing and all powerful. Hes a pimp like that i guess.
Yes i know to many the jury is still out, even with class and training it is still a matter of personal faith and beleife. Like most of the worlds religions. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:28pm
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Sure - any debate involving an all-powerful entity can be punted with the whole "god transcends the rules" bit. But if we suspend logic, then this whole discussion is moot. You can't suspend logic only when it suits your purpose. Of course, the whole issue of omnipotence and omniscience is tricky. It has been argued by some, rather forcefully, that if god is truly omnipotent and omniscient, then necessarily we don't really exist at all, in any meaningful sense of the word - we are only figments of god's imagination. That would be one way that you could have your determinism cake and eat it too - since we in fact ARE god (or v.v.), it is both true that we have free will and god knows our actions. But, as you point out, arguing logic with god is tricky, because of that whole omnipotence thing. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:36pm
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Yep. I mean, the way i see it. When i teach religion at church, im at a loss. I dont know when to use logic, and when i cant. I have a lot of knowledge on the subject, but i dont know when to impliment logic, and when not to. What if i go through my entire life, or teach my students that way, but then in reality, i was using logic, when god plays by completely different rules?
God knows what we will do before we do it because he knows us. He knows the decisions we will make before we do. He knows whats in our hearts, and what doubts we have. Yes we have free will, but what we chose to do with that choice is up to us, but because god knows what is in our hearts and minds, god knows what we will do, before we are aware of it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:53pm
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Its a cricular argument. No end all stement, just statements we can either refuse to accept or accept. Its sister argument: The chicken and the egg. ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:05pm
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Mostly, of course, any discussion of determinism is useless. I mean - hey, if your future is already set, what are you going to do about it? |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 12:06am
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Not necesarily. If I died tommorow would it have an impact on your life. Probably not. Our lives are only impacted by choice, you choose everything that happens to you. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 12:12am
Sure it would. It's the old butterfly in the rainforest. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 12:24am
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 12:51am
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Butterfly Effect - a fundamental principle in chaos theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect (also popularized in a crappy movie by the same name - starring tighty-whitey guy) |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 9:57am
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I liked the Butter Fly effect. -------------
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