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Posted By: Aiid
Subject: My Topic (Warning: Religion Thread)
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:38pm
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I am a Deist, which means I believe in a Creator that I can worship. I
can worship It by saying thanks for the things I have and by being good
and doing good things for other people. My question to you all is this: why do people fight for religious supremacy when we all can believe in the same thing? That thing is Deism. With Deism, those who believe in it are never wrong. You can't offend people of other religions because you believe in the same God as they do. You don't worry about making it into heaven, because the life God has given you is like a heaven anyway. Think about what has been given to you. God could have chosen to have created no life at all. The fact that you are alive today should be enough to be thankful for. Even if you are handicapped or cannot do the same things a perfect person can do, you still can enjoy this life. And if there is an afterlife that God has created for us, for after we die, then that's super. But there's no way of telling. And that's not an important thing to spend time thinking about anyway, because it hasn't been formally promised to you. It's best to assume that the life you have now is the only life you have. You should not seek a reward for doing good deeds, the good deeds in themselves are a reward for both you and those that you have served. And the Creator looks on those good deeds and It appreciates what It has created. You have the choice to be good or bad. But it's not like God will think any less of you if you do bad things. You are only acting natural. God would rather see super-natural people, though. People who seek progress are the ones that God watches most. With Deism, you do not have to forsake science. God is a scientific Creator, a Creator that has designed the entire universe using scientific order. And with Deism, there are no tattered edges. You know that Something had to have created everything you see around you. It is the same thing as Atheism, except you just know that there had to have been something supernatural that created everything. P.S. About me trying to convert people to Deism-my warning was that this thread was going to be about religion. I think that Deism is a nice path to choose for those that consider Atheism just because organized religions have been too pushy to them. I suppose Deism is the same as Agnosticism, with less thinking involved. |
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:41pm
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I can see what your saying. But in all honestly, people can't believe in one God for everything. In my religion (christianity), theres a verse that says "no man enters the gates of heaven, but by me" meaning Jesus. That pretty much eliminates a universal God (unless it being Jesus or God). But thats just my opinion. I think it's cool that other people have their beliefs, at least it shows their thinking. Even agnostic or atheist. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:41pm
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Hahah.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:42pm
Don't mind him. Nobody else does. ------------- |
Cedric wrote:Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:43pm
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And how exactly does this fit in with an agnostic?
Well it doesnt and religious contention still would exsist so generalizing everyone to deism would be a waste of time. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:44pm
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i stopped readin when you said "why cant we all be deists." i am a tolerable person, i accept other religions, races and cultures, but when people try to convert others to their religion, it is just too much. i hate that with passion. in the old times most wars, in fact, were started because people tried to converst others to their religion. just be tolerable and accept other religions. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:44pm
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Are you trying to convert people on this thread? Edit: I am an athiest. I dont really mind others religions because its all up the individual. The only thing I hate is when people try to force thier religion on somewon else. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:45pm
Why would you care if people try to convert? I've never met anyone so pushy if you told them you didn't want to hear what they had to say, they wouldn't stop. All you have to do is simply not listen. ------------- |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:46pm
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go catholicism! ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:46pm
Amen. (no pun intended) ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:46pm
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So what happens to every one that believe in God when they die and find out, God doesnt really exist? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:48pm
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Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:48pm
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that wouldnt happen because God does exist. ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:48pm
What happens to everyone that doesnt beleive in a god and find that one does exist?  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:49pm
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i predict this is gonna be worse than the various sniper threads. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:49pm
Then you believed in false God your whole life and wasted alot of time that could have been spent doing something else. Now what happens to everyone that doesn't believe in God and they die and fount out he does exist? The odds are a little weighted.... ------------- |
Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:49pm
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you must be a terrible Deist if you dont know your OWN religion... Deist believe in a NON-MEDLING God...which contradicts many religious beliefs...which means all religions could not view your own belief ------------- http://www.freewebs.com/outlawspaintball/index.htm - Outlaws *Sponsors* http://www.abrika.ca - Abrika |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:50pm
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Supposidly they go to hell, but meh if God doesnt exist, neither does hell. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:51pm
Note that I said "A god", not the Christian god. Not all religions beleive in hell. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:51pm
But if he does, so does Hell. Honestly, even if God isn't real then you still have a hope, even if it's false. If you die and nothing happens, what have you lost? Then look at it Vice Versa, it just seems a little better to me on one side.... ------------- |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:52pm
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I have a feeling this is going to get locked soon. -------------
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:52pm
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About me trying to convert people to Deism-my warning was that this thread was going to be about religion. I think that
Deism is a nice path to choose for those that consider Atheism just
because organized religions have been too pushy to them. I suppose Deism is the same as Agnosticism, with less thinking involved. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:52pm
Then quit posting in it. As long as it stays between people like me and Hades, and nobody decides to post a "your religion sucks" comment, then nothing is wrong with a little debating. That is what a T&O thread is for.... ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:52pm
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Okay, then I will come back as a lower life form or face one of the other options that are out there. I am willing to take my chances, rather than live an oppressed life in fear of what might happen if I dont. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:54pm
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if you do believe in a god, and die, and there isnt one, then you wont be disappointed. you'll be dead. you wont be anything. if you dont believe in a god, and you die and there is one, then you'll be either greeted by eternal happiness or pain. the moral for this side is: be the best person you can be. dont risk it. im christian, and i hope there is a god, because if there isnt, then ive wasted my life... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:54pm
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What if I believe in multiple gods, and not a single creator? Am I also welcome in the deist church? |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:55pm
Theres no fear if you accept, or not for me. The bible says "those who have salvation, know so". I can see it from your point of view though. I wouldn't want to waste my time if I knew there wasn't a God out there. The problem is that I feel there is a God, so until I find out there isn't (which I am open to), then I'll choose religion. ------------- |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:55pm
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How can God punish you for not believing in Him? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:55pm
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:56pm
That sounds fine to me. But I'd at least thank the one that had created you for doing so. Just to be nice. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:56pm
To bad according to the bible, being a good person won't get you into heaven. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:57pm
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So your really not making the choice to be good, your choosing the better after life conscequnces and acting good because of it. That sounds like your being bribe and not makeing the choice freely, like free will would imply. Is this correct? Are you saying that if you knew there wasnt a hell risk in the next life your descision would be different? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:58pm
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im christian, but i hate going to church, and dont read the bible. this does not change my beliefs, but if being a good guy dont get you past the pearly gates, what does? edit=dont say nothing about the commandments, because that fits right in with what i said. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:59pm
Easy there. You're still going to hell. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:59pm
Not at all, I feel that Jesus died on the Christ for me, and everyone else because the shedding of perfect blood was needed for my sins. The way I see it, the least I could do is believe he did it, and trust in him for doing so. Even if hell wasn't a risk, he would still be my Christ, simply because of what he did, and what he's doing now. ------------- |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:59pm
thats not true. the catholic church believes that even non-believers can get into heaven if the lived a "christian" lifestyle, i.e. being a generaly good person. and what about all the people that have never heard of christianity? are they damned to hell because of ignorance? if they lived good lives, theyll probably get into heaven. ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:00pm
Having a trusting relationship in Christ. There are many "good people" who believe in Christ, but won't go to heaven. Satan himself "believes" in Christ. To trust and allow him to be your Lord is a completely different subject. If you ever wanna know more, all you gotta do is PM me. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:02pm
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And if God was so smart, why are there only small populations of people going to make it into heaven and the rest of them are out of luck? I would think the percentages would be more of 50/50. Rather than Small number getting in verses large number not going to heaven.
If the point was to get humans back to heaven why is the success rate so low? It doesnt make sense. Good think the God works in mysterious ways cop out will work perfectly here. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:02pm
Not according to the bible. I used to think the same thing.... There are mixed opinions on those who havn't heard, so I don't know for sure on that subject. But the bible clearly states about being "good". ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:03pm
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If the bible said it was alright to kill, would you do that..?
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:03pm
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Couldn't have said it better myself. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:03pm
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So if Jesus didnt die on a cross for you would you still act the same way if you reward was to get back in heaven? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:04pm
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so the catholic church goes against the bible? could you point me to the specific verse so i could look into that some more? ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:04pm
It's alot easier to not believe in anything than to devote your life to someone else. So naturally, less people are going to beleive. It's not God's job to force anyone to believe anything. Free will is the deciding factor. ------------- |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:05pm
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lol ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:05pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:05pm
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God was possibly invented by man too...
I am out for the night. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:06pm
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yeah, im gone too. this is too much for me. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:06pm
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Why doesn't he perform a miracle and make everywon believe again? -------------
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:06pm
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Here's what I believe. Hades, suppose God granted you supernatural wisdom, and sent you to Earth and had you preach to the people there. You REALLY wanted people to like you but it turns out that they cannot accept you, and so they torture and eventually kill you. The last few thoughts in your head would be what? "I died for you people." That's what I believe Jesus meant when he died on the cross. He was in agony and found people to be too stubborn to listen to Him. |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:07pm
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nothing like a good religous debate on a paintball forum, eh? ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:08pm
John 3:3 - Unless a man be born again, he shall not enter the kingdom of God. There are many GOOD people that havn't accepted Christ as their savior, therefore according to the bible, it isn't good enough. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:09pm
I dont aggree that it is easier to not believe in anything then it is to believe that there is some super being out watching your back every second. Hell, I would love to cave into that thinking but I dont because I dont think it is possible to know either way if that option is there so I dont count on it. Nor will I ever. I love religion debates, I just have other plans I need to go attend to. Dont worry. I will be back and arguing till the cows come home. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:10pm
Thats sad, I was enjoying your input. ------------- |
Posted By: TippmanHotshot
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:10pm
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I'm not what you would call religious, although I do believe that there is a Jesus, and a Muhummad, and I'd believe that there were all the other people that everyone believes in. I like to think that God is an all-seeing, an all-knowing, and an all-forgiving being, and that when I die, I'll go to a better place than Earth (preferably heaven, please) I don't mind other people's religion unless 1 of 2 things happen. #1. They try to force their religion onto others in any way, shape, or form. #2. They are willing to make war and kill thousands of inocent people just to prove their "just" cause. a Jihad (holy war) is nothing but an excuse to kill as many people of a different religion (Jewish, Christian, Catholic) as possible. That's my view on things. ------------- Overshooting, America's greatest pastime. |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:11pm
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:12pm
Christianity isn't part in a "jihad". ------------- |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:15pm
In my opinion it would be alot easier to live for myself, and not follow the rules of someone else, than to choose to follow someone. But I know what I believe calls that of me, so I'll do it, and theres a sense of relief that makes it easier. But living on both sides of the line, I would definently say it's harder being a christian, but its all opinion. ------------- |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:16pm
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Wait, are you one of those fruits that thinks that Catholics are "Not really Christians?"
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:16pm
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Are you not capable of thinking for yourself for a change? Or do you
need some sort of fatherly figure to hold your hand through life? It's
time to stop being a sheep.
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Posted By: TippmanHotshot
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:18pm
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To: Here's to you, If you think about it it is. Who are all the religious activists and terrorists fighting? Well, they are killing anyone who isn't Muslim. I believe they call those people "Infidels." ------------- Overshooting, America's greatest pastime. |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:18pm
who? ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:19pm
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Harry Potter is the devil.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:22pm
Did I say that? I think that any religion that thinks God is the savior, and chooses him to be their savior is a christian. Take that for what you will  ------------- |
Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:22pm
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. isnt being good the will of God? ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:24pm
The will of his father would be doing what he says, and he says to place trust in him. I believe in Satan, I don't place trust in him. But I'm out you guys, thanks to everyone like Da Hui, Pbmuz, Hades and the others who were mature about the debate. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:26pm
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Posted By: PbMuz98
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:27pm
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yea, SNL is on soon, so im gonna go too. its fun having debates with mature people where it doesn't turn into a big flamefest. ------------- 98c drop j&j ceramic 12" derder sticker on hopper= +2bps |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:28pm
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Maybe God
doesn't want to interfere on what It has created, maybe It just wants
to watch it grow. You can try to alter God's will, but It makes no direct promises to us. Anything written by man, even the Bible, is purely subjective compared to the righteousness of God alone. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:28pm
In my mind, making a decision big enough to devote your life to someone else is thinking for yourself. You had to think pretty severely to make a decision that big? And the bible says we are sheep unto the lord. So thanks, I guess I'm doing what Im supposed to be. Whats wrong to have a hand through life? Nothing, Nothing at all. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:30pm
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Well, when that hands an imaginary one coming from a cloud, then you need to start thinking more "maturely".
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:33pm
One more question: do you believe that Something created everything you see and can't see? |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:34pm
Call it what you will, but my lord is not "in the clouds" as you seem to think. I think choosing to follow someone is a "Mature" decision. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:35pm
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What was your first username on the forum?
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:37pm
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Erik, Serafel, Geoduck... etc. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:37pm
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Yeah.. I'm not taking this clown seriously at all.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:38pm
In reference to who? ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:38pm
Geoduck. -------------
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Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:39pm
Just because of a spam here and there on past accounts, because of boredom... but this topic is a serious one. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:39pm
What have I said that turned me into a clown? ------------- |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:40pm
| Here's to You, he's talking about me. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:41pm
Do you even freakin' read anymore before posting? -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:41pm
My fault, just asking. Either way, I don't see what you've said to be a "clown" either. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:42pm
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He's geoduck. He's a complete asshat.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:43pm
I figure if you can insult in an attempt to be a serious debate, I can skip over a post or two. ------------- |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:44pm
LOL, nevermind. You weren't around when I spammed under my alternate accounts. I think I might have offended Cedric sometime in the past but I don't really remember. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:47pm
Guess not then. ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:49pm
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He gave me 3 strikes. Tried to guest me. Changed my avatar and my sig. He was just a retard with power. Edit: Here's to you, I liked you better when you were Tippy182. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:50pm
My fault, didn't know the circumstances. ------------- |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:54pm
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Oh wow! I remember that. That was when I found out the password of one
of the mods (which was the same password as mine at the time). But I
wasn't going to guest you, Cedric. I was just taunting you, trying to
rile you up and flaunt my new powers. He he he, I was bad... but you were too, you provoked me! LOL |
Posted By: Aiid
Date Posted: 22 October 2005 at 11:58pm
| But you killed my topic, so I guess we're even. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 23 October 2005 at 12:35am
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i'm agnostic. ------------- 
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