Cyclone vs. Electronic
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Topic: Cyclone vs. Electronic
Posted By: Flatfootedham
Subject: Cyclone vs. Electronic
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 6:58pm
| I have a Custom pro and I was wondering which was better, the cyclone feed, or an electric hopper that's under $100? |
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Posted By: fearpbteam
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:03pm
| Well it all depends on what you play speed or woodsball. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:05pm
| Cyclone, no batteries to worry about and it'll keep up with you. |
Posted By: Flatfootedham
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:07pm
| I play woodsball, and I really just need something to stop my gun from jamming, but will also keep up if I want an e-trigger or r/t. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:09pm
| Cyclone will keep up with either. |
Posted By: Flatfootedham
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:30pm
| thx |
Posted By: tekman
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 7:43pm
| try an electronic. yes it needs batteries, but they hold up better than the cyclone feeders (unless they changed it so the ratcheting internals arent made of cheap plastic), and it uses less air. eggs are good i hear, i used a halo tsa and that worked great. i use a halo b now for my ion, but thats over 100 and kinda overkill on a tippmann in most cases. |
Posted By: Flatfootedham
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 10:53am
| Does the cyclone use MORE gas, or just left over EXTRA gas? |
Posted By: FoRenSiC
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 11:08am
You'll never get an answer on that one... |
Flatfootedham wrote:Posted By: Flatfootedham
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 11:16am
| Will an electronic hopper stop my gun from jamming? |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 12:07pm
| What do you mean by jamming? |
Posted By: Tippyprouser
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 12:22pm
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If you don't want to worry about batteries and don't want to waste money on buying batteries then get the Cyclone feed system...but if you don't care about all that stuff then you can get an electric hopper.
Oh and if you get the cyclone and as you said get the r/t you will have to make sure to get a splitter to split the air supply ------------- Setup: Tippmann Custom Pro E-trigger 12" All American BT Folding Stock GTA Inline Expansion Chamber Kit Dead on Pro seal Cyclone Feed System Remote Line Polished internals |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 4:38pm
| This is my other account so it's still me, by jamming, I mean it doesn't shoot for 2 shots or so, I ndon't know why, I do regular oiling and everything, so I guess it's just the gravity feed jamming up, I'm not sure. |
Posted By: A-5 Empire
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 5:33pm
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Do not get cyclone ------------- A7X 4 LIFE! Synyster Gates=GOD 
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Posted By: yo!!
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 5:35pm
| well if u play woodsball than go with the cyclone but on the other hand cyclones probably better 4 both speedball and woodsball |
Posted By: 98customW
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 7:22pm
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cyclone,you don't need to worry about batteries , and it feeds at your shoting pace and if its a revvey thats cool to.
------------- 98custom -all-american -bullet dop -revvey -double trigger -camo graphics kit -trigger job |
Posted By: sealnavy68
Date Posted: 12 November 2005 at 11:49pm
| a splitter for a-5. i have a r/t and cyclon feeder.. whats the splitter for. were do i buy it. does it help to have one? |
Posted By: sealnavy68
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 8:22am
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waiting lol |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:19am
| This is my post and you robbed it, that's why no one's answering you, go make your own post. |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:40am
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Don't worry. It's the hopper, not your gun. Gravity feeds do this regularly. The balls jam up in the feedneck of the hopper, causing the balls not to feed. An E-hopper or Cyclone will fix this problem. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:57am
| Suzuki, would you recommend the cyclone? I've heard some people with A-5's talking about how their cyclone doesn't 'cycle' every time, does anyone know anything about that? |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 11:20am
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I actually wouldn't. I'd suggest you get an Evo 2. I just don't really like the Cyclone. I'm that kind of guy that always carries around extra stuff, so I don't really care about batteries. As for the Cyclone not cycling everytime.. this is mostly due to higher rates of fire. After 16 bps, the Cyclone will start missing shots. That's probably what those stories are about. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 12:14pm
| Ok, thanks. |
Posted By: devil-fire
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 11:57pm
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Yea... I had a cyclone but then i didn't keep it because a- it was to big for me, b- it isn't that great. I liked the cyclone while i had it then i didn't want it so i installed it on my bros 98. I got a revolution hopper(i haven't received it yet) But they are very nice for their cost. Egg hoppers are really nice also but are 45$ more. ------------- 98% of paintballers act gangsta', if you are of the 2% that are normal, put this this in your sig. |
Posted By: rebelsss
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 12:16am
| Stay far far away from cyclone. i'm having a sheety problem with it. Save yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 3:26pm
| could you tellme what's wrong with it rebel? |
Posted By: billybob123
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 8:31pm
| my cyclone isn't working too well either. i think its not fedding the balls fully causing them to be chopped. maybe due to the lack of oiling the inside of the cyclone? im not sure why, but i am chooping alont of paint latley |
Posted By: Cheetos3254
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 8:43pm
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E-trigger = Cyclone
Response trigger = Electronic Hopper Because I think cyclones are capped at 15 bps and an R/T can go like 20+bps if tuned right. making the cyclone feed useless if you get a Response trigger. And i think E-triggers are capped at 15 bps too. making the cyclone feed the perfect choice for the E trigger. ------------- 
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Posted By: tekman
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 12:09pm
| as far as the splitter goes for that other guy, if u have an a-5 with an rt, then it has the splitter already (its the piece that the 2 black tubes connect to on the back of ur gun) |
Posted By: JawCrusher
Date Posted: 17 November 2005 at 4:20pm
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My goodness... so much input and no one's mentioned some of the
obvious stuff... First off, all you people who are simply stating "stay away from the cyclone" or whatever... I sure hope you've tried it and aren't prejudging it. A couple things to start off... speedball/woodsball the cyclone will do just fine. It does have a cap of 17 bps out of the box HOWEVER, if you buy a QEV kit from Palmers your Cyclone will feed over 20 bps. NO ONE ARGUE with me on this as it's been tested and there's video out there so go search for it. Next, using a Cyclone also makes your gun lighter. Again, there's no argument for this because the batteries in an electro hopper make it noticeably heavier. I have both a Revvy and a Cyclone on two of the same guns and the Revvy gun is noticeably heavier because of the batteries. IMHO, with the QEV mod and the Cyclone you're in for a treat. The cyclone will feed well after your gun runs out of enough air to recock your gun. I have not had a single broken ball with my Cyclone. Also keep in mind that the Cyclone is a force feed hopper and the price tag that goes with it is $65. You try buying a force feed electro and you're easily spending over $80 for it. And the next point. Think of it this way... on every pull of the trigger, your valve lets out a certain amount of air. This air is going to exit the gun one way or another. So, does the Cyclone and R/T use more air? No. Does it take away from the air pushing the ball out the barrel? Slightly. Will you have to adjust the velocity (aka Putting more air through the gun each cycle)? Slightly. I think you get my point. It may use a lil more air but nothing that'll make or break you. Ah hell... you want to see how the cyclone and the R/T work on my gun? Here's a video. Keep in mind my gun is a little more custom than yours as it's a 68-carbine retrofitted with a cyclone and an R/T. However, it operates the same way. The video you will see is before I did the QEV mod and the "Super R/T" mod. Since then, my gun is shooting much better and faster. Here's the link... http://blacklightcompany.com/files/cyclone.mov - cyclone 68- carbine vid (it's kind of a big file but be patient... there's a funny part at the end ;-) ) Oh yeah, if you want more info on the QEV or Super R/T just post up or e-mail me. slanaconda@gmail.com ------------- No Obstacles, Only Challenges ~Christ Krew Luv~ |
Posted By: tekman
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 8:51am
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Jaw, have you made any custom parts for the cyclone that replace the cheap plastic internals that get worn down so easily? |
Posted By: JawCrusher
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 10:57am
I have not since my cyclone is fairly new. I would think a good aluminum ratchet might be the way to go however, I'll figure that out when the time comes. I'm also not in the business of making such an intricate part so I may have to ask a guy from the pro/carbine forum to mill something like that for me. ------------- No Obstacles, Only Challenges ~Christ Krew Luv~ |
Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 3:44pm
| Thank god you came Jawcrusher. I don't even know what any of these people are talking about. They have obviously never used the cyclone. My r/t and cyclone are unstoppable. The cyclone is great and so is the pricetag on it. |
Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 7:43pm
| Thanks guys |
Posted By: goats_896
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 11:22pm
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agrees with jawcrusher. Thanks for telling them. ^_^ ------------- Zafira |
Posted By: JawCrusher
Date Posted: 19 November 2005 at 4:48am
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Damn, I re-read my post and the grammar I used seemed like it came
from a 2 year old. I edited it so it should be more coherent. Oops! "I'm smart... s-m-r-t!!!" Just so I don't completely jack this post... About the fittings you need for a 98 Cyclone... If you're planning on JUST doing a Cyclone upgrade w/out an R/T or w/an E-trig, the supplied fitting that comes in the kit will be sufficient. If you do plan on doing an R/T you'll need the "T" banjo fitting. Tippmann sells these and if you ask them "nicely" they may send it out to you for free. Also keep in mind, if you end up buying the Palmer QEV and want to use it in conjunction with the Cyclone, you may be able to order the "T" fitting from Palmer. I hope this made sense. Just to recap: R/T + Cyclone=Requires a "T" banjo fitting. Cyclone by itself or w/ an E-trig = Supplied banjo fitting will be sufficient. ------------- No Obstacles, Only Challenges ~Christ Krew Luv~ |
Posted By: 2pac
Date Posted: 19 November 2005 at 12:57pm
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I would have to disagree with you on this one, the RT does use excess air the cyclone does not. The cyclone is noticable more inefficient with air than using a standard ehopper. I have two friends who have a-5's and they go through air much faster than I do with my 98c and revvy. The cyclone is directly linked to the air system. the old tippmann site showed this in better detail. |
Posted By: JawCrusher
Date Posted: 19 November 2005 at 6:38pm
No Dude. I hate to burst your bubble but that's simply not true. Both the Cyclone and the R/T operate with the same excess gas. Look at an A5 or 98 that is running both an R/T and a Cyclone. You'll see that they both are tapped into the same hole on the gun (uses a "T" banjo fitting). Ugh... ok... lets do a lesson 101 w/pictures!!! Here we go class!!! Here is a CVX valve that the A5, 98, and the Carbine all use... 
Do you see that opening on the right side of the o-ring? Well that's where gas comes out into the power tube to push the ball forward out of the barrel. If you tap into that location ON THE GUN you can "steal" a little of that gas to power the R/T and the Cyclone. Here is an animation to help you understand. http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/tippmann/valvedesigns/cvxvalve.gif - CVX Annimation You have to realize that if you had a direct port into the gas system where the gun was receiving constant air (like you are assuming) the cyclone would simply complete half a cycle and then just be stuck there. Same with the R/T... it would push out against the trigger and then be stuck there since there is constant pressure going against it. Both the cyclone and the R/T rely on a burst of air to complete half a cycle. With the Cyclone there is a return spring in the rap to complete the cycle. With the R/T, your finger's pressure completes the cycle. To answer why your A5 friends are running out of air faster than your 98... Like I stated before, since some air is being stolen from what would otherwise be propelling the ball out of the barrel, an A5 will have to run its velocity setting a little higher causing more gas to be released from the valve. Also, the A5 has a few more operating parts on it so it MAY need more air to complete a full cycle (not completely sure about this one). But in any case, the Cyclone and the R/T both use the same excess gas. I completely, 100% positive, know this is true. If it weren't.... this gun I MADE would never have worked.  (Yes, this is a Cyclone and an R/T built into a 68-carbine with a CVX valve) Not trying to flame you but (and this goes for everyone), try not to assume something until you have a complete understanding of how something works. Hey, you live and you learn! Hope this makes sense now. Have a good day! :-D ------------- No Obstacles, Only Challenges ~Christ Krew Luv~ |