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Topic: Marijuana is bad for you.
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Subject: Marijuana is bad for you.
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:17pm

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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:18pm


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:18pm
Terrible substance.

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:18pm
drugs r bad mmm'kay?

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:20pm
So whos gonna defend the pesky weed? Im actualy waitin for a rebuttle.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:21pm


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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

drugs r bad mmm'kay?


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Posted By: Mr.Shake56
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:24pm

does that mean if sum1 eating all those foods there doing that stuff



Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:25pm
LIES! haha yea dont do drugs.


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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:27pm

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(6) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(7). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

 

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One study has indicated that a user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana(8). The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

 

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A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways(10). Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase(11). A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14). It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells(15). Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco.


 



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:28pm
For the record, DARE programs are not successful in preventing at risk youth from taking drug. Every study ever to have been done on the program has proven this.


Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:28pm
Await my response tomorrow.
At the moment I have too much homework and sleep to do.

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:29pm


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Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:32pm



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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:34pm

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Await my response tomorrow.
At the moment I have too much homework and sleep to do.

Your sig is wrong.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:he8o1vkjzzha~T00 - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:he8o1vkj zzha~T00

A bunch of little kids sang that song. Almost a decade after Bob Marley died.



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Posted By: xteam
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:36pm
ha

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Await my response tomorrow. At the moment I have too much homework and sleep to do.


Your sig is wrong.


http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:he8o1vkjzzha~T00 - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:he8o1vkj zzha~T00


A bunch of little kids sang that song. Almost 2 decades after Bob Marley died.



pwnt.

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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:38pm
Yay another anti-marijuana thread. I think alcohol is 10x better....

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:04pm
Sorry, but I can't resist.
I read the articles, and they are so ridiculously easy to rebut that I'm going to do it today instead of tomorrow.

Article 1:
This article really does not say much about negative effects of marijuana use. It states that during periods of heavy use, the user's IQ may drop by an average of several points. However, it also says that this is ONLY during the time of heavy use, and that the user's IQ usually returns after ceasing use.

Paragraph 1:
BS. I'd like to see the sources.
I can guarantee you that I do more research (and I mean reading) on this topic than you do. I have read several articles which state that dopamine is not produced as a result of marijuana use.
Also, I have personally been a VERY heavy user of marijuana (their definition is 5 joints... I smoked at least 30 a week). That took place for almost a year, and the worst withdrawal symptom I got was mild annoyance at not being able to smoke weed (which I attribute to my anger at weed being illegal more than anything).

Paragraph 2:
Well then... Don't use marijuana if you're at high risk for a heart attack. Problem solved.
Cigarettes don't exactly reduce the risk of a heart attack, but we don't throw people in jail for smoking them.

Paragraph 3:
If you eat marijuana or use a vaporizer, none of the negative effects of smoking will be a problem.
The main reason people don't eat or vaporize is the price.
I don't want to put $100 worth of weed into some brownies to get the desired effect, and I don't want a $500 vaporizer confiscated.
I can guarantee that if it were legal, more people would have vaporizers, and if the price were lower more people would eat it.
That paragraph also doesn't mention the fact that THC is actually a http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21201.shtml - carcinogen blocker .

Got anything else?

*Edit: Dang. My rebuts to Articles 2 & 3 got deleted somehow. Give me a minute to retype them.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:06pm
Well Whale...
It sure as hell isn't a little kid in the version I'm listening to.
Maybe it's not Marley (it sure sounds like him), but it's an adult male.

There are kids in the song too though.

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Posted By: E-98
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:10pm

Link 1:

compared to gains in IQ points for light current users (5.8), former users (3.5) and non-users (2.6).

Well I uh...
If you only smoke a little bit of pot your IQ increases?



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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:11pm
oh dude...messing up musical youth and bob marley is just...

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:17pm
Had to retype rebut to articles 2 & 3... sorry.

Article 2:
This article is based on flawed science. 1.6 days is not nearly enough time for marijuana's effects to be measured. If you stop smoking weed, you will be high for several hours, and possibly feel the "afterglow" effect for up to a couple of days.
Show me the same results 15 or more days after cessation of smoking and I will be more likely to respect the findings.

Article 3:
This proves nothing.
I know many "stoners" who are far healthier than most people who don't smoke weed.
It's all about life choices.
Weed doesn't make you pick up that candy bar or that Big Mac. If you don't want to eat it, you won't.
I actually probably eat more unhealthy food now that I don't smoke, and I'm definately less physically active.

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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:18pm
My rebuddle: it's worth it.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:21pm
Marijuana is bad for you, just like alcohol and cigerettes and coffe and bacon and greese and smoke and acid rain and terrorists and blah blah blah.

Who cares really.

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Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:24pm

well thats new...



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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Marijuana is bad for you, just like alcohol and cigerettes and coffe and bacon and greese and smoke and acid rain and terrorists and blah blah blah.

Who cares really.



I don't know...nothing beats smoking a terrorist or two.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 1:47am
God bless Denver. 

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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:25am
I used to be a D.A.R.E kid...

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:46am
^I think 90% of US students at one time or another have been in that program, and probably only 5% of those kids actually havn't use some sort of Drug since then...(this includes Alcohol, tobacco etc...)

Edit: sporx whats with all the Nepoleon Stuff?


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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:47am
i still wear my dare shirt...i apreciate them exposing me to all these wonderful things when i was younger =]

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:51am
I wasnt ever a dare kid. And i dont abuse drugs.

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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 1:50pm
In fifth grade my entire class was in the D.A.R.E program. So ya I can
understand that a lot of people has been in the program some time or
another.

IDK what's with all the Napoleon stuff. I suppose I could say that I loved
the avatar and decided to created a sig to match it. My friends and I
always say "Heck yes" like Napolean...so....yeah.

Better excuse: I got bored.

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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 3:02pm
Funny, I was the only kid in the 5th grade class who resfused to take DARE because I thought it was a waste of time and I've probably done less drugs than 95% of the kids who did take it.


Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 3:12pm

Hey!

My opinion regarding the abuse of any controlled or illegal substance is...don't. I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.

Honestly, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc are gateway drugs. I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.

Yes, the Marine Corps knows about it.

Good luck.

Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

 I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.

Boot camp worked, apparently.

;)



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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Koolit32 Koolit32 wrote:

My rebuddle: it's worth it.


/me looks around for Koolits subs.


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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 4:34pm
D.A.R.E is worthless, it doesn't seem to effect that many people.

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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 4:37pm
my dare teacher would always tell us the good feelings of drugs then tell us how to use them, THEN tell us not to do them. but by that point, no one was listening...

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

Hey!


My opinion regarding the abuse of any controlled or illegal substance is...don't. I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.


Honestly, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc are gateway drugs. I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.


Yes, the Marine Corps knows about it.


Good luck.


Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



Hey. While i commend you on your service, we dont want pure machines, we want humans that formulate their own opinions and think forthemselves while taking orders. Dont blindly accept an ideology, orders yes, but keep your soul, dont let the corps take that from you.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 5:35pm
I was never in any kind of anti-drug group as a kid... I mean, I wore a ribbon on red ribbon week in elementary school, but eh.

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 7:04pm

<I really am an idiot>



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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 7:04pm
drugs are bad mmmkay?


Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 7:05pm
What do stoners need an IQ for? It doesnt take that much intellegence to live in a van and clean your bong.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

Hey!


My opinion regarding the abuse of any controlled or illegal substance is...don't. I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.


Honestly, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc are gateway drugs. I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.


Yes, the Marine Corps knows about it.


Good luck.


Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



Hey. While i commend you on your service, we dont want pure machines, we want humans that formulate their own opinions and think forthemselves while taking orders. Dont blindly accept an ideology, orders yes, but keep your soul, dont let the corps take that from you.


Or maybe they don't want past users who have a severe reputation of doing so in the corps.  The chances are more likely they will go back to it again than others.


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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by Koolit32 Koolit32 wrote:

My rebuddle: it's worth it.


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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 9:15pm
Get over it.

Live life before it turns for the worst.


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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:


Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

<p align="center">Hey!


<p align="center">My opinion regarding the abuse of any controlled or illegal substance is...don't. I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.


<p align="center">Honestly, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc are gateway drugs. I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.


<p align="center">Yes, the Marine Corps knows about it.


<p align="center">Good luck.


<p align="center">Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



Hey. While i commend you on your service, we dont want pure machines, we want humans that formulate their own opinions and think forthemselves while taking orders. Dont blindly accept an ideology, orders yes, but keep your soul, dont let the corps take that from you.
Or maybe they don't want past users who have a severe reputation of doing so in the corps. The chances are more likely they will go back to it again than others.


No.

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Posted By: bigmike102
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 9:52pm

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

no way... I used to go to those schools....good find.



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Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:04pm
i was to busy looken my dare teachers 9mm in the 5th grade to pay attention, *i have a strange obsession with guns...*

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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 10:24pm
Uh?

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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 2:45am
Ugh, Go go anti drug people!

Just smoke a jay and be happy. And if not, shut your mouth.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:38am
I wonder where TKD went to rebut my post....

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 9:33am
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:


Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

<p align="center">Hey!


<p align="center">My opinion regarding the abuse of any controlled or illegal substance is...don't. I'm not sure why, but the Marine Corps says so, so that's what I have to say about it.


<p align="center">Honestly, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc are gateway drugs. I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.


<p align="center">Yes, the Marine Corps knows about it.


<p align="center">Good luck.


<p align="center">Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



Hey. While i commend you on your service, we dont want pure machines, we want humans that formulate their own opinions and think forthemselves while taking orders. Dont blindly accept an ideology, orders yes, but keep your soul, dont let the corps take that from you.
Or maybe they don't want past users who have a severe reputation of doing so in the corps. The chances are more likely they will go back to it again than others.


No.

Heres to you, that is not the reason why the Marine Corps doesn't want its personel to veer from its policy. Look at it this way, if HO went around saying that he thinks weed is good, but at the same time is a Marine, how does that reflect on the Corps? Not Good.



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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:19am

Hey Guys!

Exactly. Marines are Marines 24/7/365 and we attempt to be professional at all times and in all circumstances.

If I am walking around with a Budweiser ballcap, Corona t-shirt, or maybe a Skoal jacket, some trash like that (I like all three), people will think all Marines and the Marine Corps supports such things. This reflect badly on myself, the Corps, and the individual Marines.

I may be the only Marine those people ever meet or interact with. If I'm being stupid, then they'll say, "Dang, guess all that trash in the commercials is total bullcrap!" Which hurts the Corps.

And thinking...I have opinions. But the opinion I share openly with civillians is the one that the Corps has. To diss the Iraq war (I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anything regarding it, but for example) would look bad. People would think..."What the heck, the Corps itself doesn't even believe in it!"

Good luck!

Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:24am
Wow...

You are not a mouth piece for the corps. You are a marine and you are entitled to an opinion. If you have no opinion and blindly accept what the marine corps tells you. Thats really just what the natzis said they did, they blindly accepted orders and didnt voice their opinions on what was going on.

If something happens that you dont agree with, speak up, chances are more people are thinking exactly what you are.

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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:33am

Hey!

These are the rules of the Corps!

We do not wear any thing or support anything dealing with controlled or illegal substances and we do act professionally at all times and in all places. If I could walk around and bum with holes in my pants like the new style is, Corona shirt, and cap on backwards, I would, but I can't. Nobody may know, but that's where integrity comes in.

And again, we were cautioned very strongly on what we say. We are not permitted to wear or promote anything anti-war or anti-American (or anti-our Allies), so why would we be able to say anything like that?

Good luck!

Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:37am
My entire family is military or works withe military, my mom works in the pentagon right and no my grandfather is a retired 06.

No military person i know acts like a robot, if they have something on their mind, they say it. We dont want robots, we want people that can make up their own minds, make their own decisions and think for themselves.

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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:58am

Hey!

[Edited]

This is way off topic

Good luck!

Hell's Oracle, Semper Fi



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:59am
Yes but the opinions of the corps dont have to be your opinions as well.

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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by HOInfantry HOInfantry wrote:

I started with tobacco, then to alcohol, and then to weed.
So you went from pointless addiction; to blurred vision,stupid choices, and spending half the night above the toilet, and most likely not remembering it; to chilling out, having a good time, and waking up feeling great. I don't see the problem with that one.


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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 3:37pm
I still wish TKD (or someone anyways) would respond to my posts on pages 1 and 2...

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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 3:42pm
My brother was telling my about an article he read that says frequent use of a computer kills more brain cells than marijuana, I'm trying to find it.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 3:51pm

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

I still wish TKD (or someone anyways) would respond to my posts on pages 1 and 2...

The fact is, I dont care.

I saw you were online, so a bunch of us posted this to get a rise out of you.

Besides, taking the smoke of anything, be it tobacco, marijuana, wood, coal, nything, into your lungs is bad. That can not be argued against. Which is why I dont smoke anything.



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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 3:56pm
Indeed.
However, there are other ways to consume marijuana (as I discussed in my earlier posts).

It doesn't really get me too upset.
I DO however, like to present my arguments.

The only thing that makes me mad is "Zomg, you're going to hell because you smoke pot. You're a terrible person you damn hippy dumbass!"

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:00pm

I dont mind people who smoke marijuana for the most part, but I dont like people who get super defensive when you say it is bad for you.

It is not good for you. How bad, we dont know, but it is not good for you.

That said, lots of other legal things are also bad for you, so take it with a grain of salt.



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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:07pm
I know exactly what you mean.
And if I come off as super-defensive sometimes, sorry for that... I kind of tend to argue a lot.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yes but the opinions of the corps dont have to be your opinions as well.


Maybe people actually agree with the rules before hand, and thats why they joined.

Maybe HO joined because he liked the image the marines presented, and he wanted to be like them.  Just a guess, but I would bet that is the case for a few.


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:20pm
Great post TKD. Getting a rise out of people who view pot as a holy substance is always good for kicks. I drink and totally accept the fact that it isn't good for me, why is it pot heads not only need to portray it as harmless, but even as benificial? Admit it, you just do it becuase it feels good and don't really give a crap if it's bad for you. Then you compare it to other, legal substances that are worse for you. If something is worse than it, does it actually make pot better for you? And seriously, who, on a regular basis, uses it in any way other than smoking it? It's just too much of a hassle. People who get super defensive about pot and really have nothing exciting to talk about except pot are what keep me from doing it on a regular basis.


Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:46pm
Actually Rednekk, I know several people who use marijuana in vaporizers.
By using vaporizers, you eliminate all potential respiratory hazards.

Also, alcohol is a very different chemical than THC. Alcohol poisons your brain.
THC bonds itself to the cannabinoid receptors in your brain, and that's how it causes its effects.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 4:59pm

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Actually Rednekk, I know several people who use marijuana in vaporizers.
By using vaporizers, you eliminate all potential respiratory hazards.

Also, alcohol is a very different chemical than THC. Alcohol poisons your brain.
THC bonds itself to the cannabinoid receptors in your brain, and that's how it causes its effects.

Vaporizers are a risk in themselvs.

They have to be kept VERY clean. There have been cases were people using vaporizers for medical reasons, and entertainment (Those Breath-Booze things) have been seriously hurt by not keeping them clean. Spores and mold can grow inside the tubing, and when you breathe in you are sucking the toxin right into your lungs.



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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:06pm
Sorry, I figure if we only use 10% of our brains, how much danage can I really do with the amount I drink? Besides, you get used to going after the gatorade first thing in the morning like how a poisoned rat goes to water to die. I do know that smoking while drunk is a great way to ruin your night. It doesn't come on slowly like alcohol normally does, and when it hits you hard you can't just give up and go to sleep, because you get the spins. I don't have a problem with it other that I find it rather unpleasant to use, and it's more illegal for me to use than alcohol. I still feel no need to try to justify using it to myself. I really don't feel that it's worth my time to aquire it, try different varieties of it and methods of using it. If I want to spend some time being totally non-productive, I'll spend it here.


Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:06pm
Quite true.
However, that is an avoidable risk.
Most people who use a vaporizer use it frequently enough to keep that kind of stuff from accumulating. Additionally, vaporizing marijuana is different from alcohol in that mold and fungi don't usually grow unless the surface is put away while it's wet. That's not likely to happen with marijuana since marijuana doesn't contain that much water.

Also, anyone who buys a $500 device to vaporize marijuana is not likely to take bad care of it.

I owned a $50 bowl, and I took care of it like it was a baby. It had a safe, padded pouch, and I boiled it to clean it any time I had a chance.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:06pm
Make some brownies. Problem solved.

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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:11pm
Yeah, pot brownies, but who's going to go through that much trouble to get stoned? Besides, there's always the risk that your dog will eat a whole tray and deficate all over the rug.


Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Sorry, I figure if we only use 10% of our brains, how much danage can I really do with the amount I drink? Besides, you get used to going after the gatorade first thing in the morning like how a poisoned rat goes to water to die. I do know that smoking while drunk is a great way to ruin your night. It doesn't come on slowly like alcohol normally does, and when it hits you hard you can't just give up and go to sleep, because you get the spins. I don't have a problem with it other that I find it rather unpleasant to use, and it's more illegal for me to use than alcohol. I still feel no need to try to justify using it to myself. I really don't feel that it's worth my time to aquire it, try different varieties of it and methods of using it. If I want to spend some time being totally non-productive, I'll spend it here.


I suppose it's all personal preference. I know many people who prefer alcohol over weed, but I also know many other who would rather smoke a bowl or two than drink any day.
I can honestly say that I've never had a negative experience caused by weed.
Also, for myself, weed is not non-productive. I have actually (as corny as some may think it is), used weed in order to reach a deeper understanding of myself.
Don't get me wrong, I've also used it just to "trip balls," but that's not the only thing I've used it for.

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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:20pm
Yes, deeper understand of yourself "After much pondering and soul search, I've discovered that I.......REeLLY LIKE P0T!111!"


Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Yeah, pot brownies, but who's going to go through that much trouble to get stoned?



A lot of people. It's a completely different high.


TKD--stop pissing me off with your pretentious "I don't indulge in substance abuse posts." I don't care. Go punkXfloggingxmollyXcore somewhere where I don't have to read about it.


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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Yes, deeper understand of yourself "After much pondering and soul search, I've discovered that I.......REeLLY LIKE P0T!111!"



Come up with anything more philosophical during those nights where you needed Gatorade in the morning?


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Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 5:51pm
You don't trip off weed, not unless it's laced with something. I've heard you trip off AK-47(a strain), but it's expensive as heck and isn't meant for every day use.

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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 6:02pm
You trip off weed and salvia O_o

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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

You don't trip off weed, not unless it's laced with something. I've heard you trip off AK-47(a strain), but it's expensive as heck and isn't meant for every day use.


Oh belive me, you can trip off mids.


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by newport newport wrote:


Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Yes, deeper understand of yourself "After much pondering and soul search, I've discovered that I.......REeLLY LIKE P0T!111!"
Come up with anything more philosophical during those nights where you needed Gatorade in the morning?
No, but I don't make claims that alcohol boosts my philisophical powers.


Posted By: bl@nd
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 6:24pm
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEED


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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 6:44pm
Marijuana has changed my life. At this point in time I am still way to young to know if it was bad or good.

- It has made my grades go down. Directly and indirectly.

+ I have many more friends that I can either directly or indirectly link to the fact that I consume said substance.

I used to be very anti-social until I began to smoke. My weekends for the most part were invovled with me staying home and medicating myself with video games. Who needs friends when you can dive into fantasy worlds where you can be anything you want. MMORPG's were my first addiction.

It started with a little bit during the summer. Then school came back and started talking to people I never knew before and even talked to some friends from ages ago.

But now, it's december... I'm failing adv. math and physics is slowly going down. I'm trying to decide if I should quit or not. The biggest problem I see is that with my current friendships in place. It will be hard to find things to do on weekends that don't involve it.

I am a very introverted person. This decision alone makes me want to forget the world and go light up now.


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Posted By: bl@nd
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:06pm
Marijuana has not influenced my grades, I have 3 A's and a B.

Yes I only have four blocks.


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Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:16pm
Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

You don't trip off weed, not unless it's laced with something. I've heard you trip off AK-47(a strain), but it's expensive as heck and isn't meant for every day use.


Oh belive me, you can trip off mids.

I never have, I used to smoke mids all the time. Maybe it's just me.


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Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Marijuana has changed my life. At this point in time I am still way to young to know if it was bad or good.

- It has made my grades go down. Directly and indirectly.

+ I have many more friends that I can either directly or indirectly link to the fact that I consume said substance.

I used to be very anti-social until I began to smoke. My weekends for the most part were invovled with me staying home and medicating myself with video games. Who needs friends when you can dive into fantasy worlds where you can be anything you want. MMORPG's were my first addiction.

It started with a little bit during the summer. Then school came back and started talking to people I never knew before and even talked to some friends from ages ago.

But now, it's december... I'm failing adv. math and physics is slowly going down. I'm trying to decide if I should quit or not. The biggest problem I see is that with my current friendships in place. It will be hard to find things to do on weekends that don't involve it.

I am a very introverted person. This decision alone makes me want to forget the world and go light up now.

How often do you smoke?


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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:19pm

If you want to smoke, smoke, if not, dont.

It doesnt really effect your grades because all of my friends who do it all the time have all A's, I myself have done it on and off (depending if I have money/time). Doesnt mess with me at all.



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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Marijuana has changed my life. At this point in time I am still way to young to know if it was bad or good.

- It has made my grades go down. Directly and indirectly.

+ I have many more friends that I can either directly or indirectly link to the fact that I consume said substance.

I used to be very anti-social until I began to smoke. My weekends for the most part were invovled with me staying home and medicating myself with video games. Who needs friends when you can dive into fantasy worlds where you can be anything you want. MMORPG's were my first addiction.

It started with a little bit during the summer. Then school came back and started talking to people I never knew before and even talked to some friends from ages ago.

But now, it's december... I'm failing adv. math and physics is slowly going down. I'm trying to decide if I should quit or not. The biggest problem I see is that with my current friendships in place. It will be hard to find things to do on weekends that don't involve it.

I am a very introverted person. This decision alone makes me want to forget the world and go light up now.

How often do you smoke?


Usually 3 times a day.


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Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Marijuana has changed my life. At this point in time I am still way to young to know if it was bad or good.

- It has made my grades go down. Directly and indirectly.

+ I have many more friends that I can either directly or indirectly link to the fact that I consume said substance.

I used to be very anti-social until I began to smoke. My weekends for the most part were invovled with me staying home and medicating myself with video games. Who needs friends when you can dive into fantasy worlds where you can be anything you want. MMORPG's were my first addiction.

It started with a little bit during the summer. Then school came back and started talking to people I never knew before and even talked to some friends from ages ago.

But now, it's december... I'm failing adv. math and physics is slowly going down. I'm trying to decide if I should quit or not. The biggest problem I see is that with my current friendships in place. It will be hard to find things to do on weekends that don't involve it.

I am a very introverted person. This decision alone makes me want to forget the world and go light up now.

How often do you smoke?


Usually 3 times a day.

Try cutting down for a bit, maybe to only 5 days a week or even only on the weekends, and see if that works. It probably will.


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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:43pm

Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

Marijuana has changed my life. At this point in time I am still way to young to know if it was bad or good.

- It has made my grades go down. Directly and indirectly.

+ I have many more friends that I can either directly or indirectly link to the fact that I consume said substance.

I used to be very anti-social until I began to smoke. My weekends for the most part were invovled with me staying home and medicating myself with video games. Who needs friends when you can dive into fantasy worlds where you can be anything you want. MMORPG's were my first addiction.

It started with a little bit during the summer. Then school came back and started talking to people I never knew before and even talked to some friends from ages ago.

But now, it's december... I'm failing adv. math and physics is slowly going down. I'm trying to decide if I should quit or not. The biggest problem I see is that with my current friendships in place. It will be hard to find things to do on weekends that don't involve it.

I am a very introverted person. This decision alone makes me want to forget the world and go light up now.

How often do you smoke?


Usually 3 times a day.

Jesus H. Christ!



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Posted By: Lawless
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:47pm

Hey!

I'm sticking to my old saying that it's only a matter of time before marijuana is legalized all together.

It's already gaining momentum slowly but surely.

Congress is starting to realize the reality  of the situation and that is that marijuana has, is, and always is going to be present in society no matter how many laws are imposed to stop it.

Alcohol is responsible for far more violent crimes and deaths than marijuana has ever been and ever will be.

So why not ban alcohol or even cigarettes at that which contribute to a huge number of deaths every year as well.

This reality will soon be realized fully and when it does...this country's gonna be a whole lot happier!



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Posted By: TheSpookyKids87
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:48pm
I never smoked in my life

but 3 times a day does seem a bit too much.


Posted By: Lawless
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 7:54pm

Originally posted by newport newport wrote:

You trip off weed and salvia O_o

YES!!!! I always have a bag of 20x with me and my weed!



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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Yes, deeper understand of yourself "After much pondering and soul search, I've discovered that I.......REeLLY LIKE P0T!111!"


Let me guess... You probably think that LSD (acid) can't teach you things either, correct?

Through smoking weed I learned several things.

1) How to just sit back and relax. I used to always feel the need to be doing something. If I had to sit still, I'd get anxious and moody. Even after not smoking for 4 months, I can still just sit back and enjoy the beauty of being alive, not needing more money, a better girl, or other material items.

2) Not to be so uptight. I used to have a real hard-ass image at my school. Everyone thought I was a nice guy, but just closed off emotionally.
Now people (not only pot smokers, but others) think I'm generally open with them, honest, and a good guy to hang out with.

3) Not to get pissed about small things. I used to have a huge temper, which I couldn't always control very well.
My temper is very low now. I still get pissed about certain large things, but the little things no longer bother me so much.

4) I don't always need a girlfriend to be happy.
I can have fun just chilling with my friends. Before I felt like I couldn't be happy unless I was hanging out with a girl I was dating.

I've learned quite a few smaller things, but those are all big realizations I had while smoking marijuana.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 8:09pm
Ugh. Drugs will not give you enlightenment, if you want to learn about yourself, go to a shrink, climb a mountain, take up yoga or something. But do not try and say your habbit of smoking pot every once in a while is something its not. You like it, thats fine, but dont say its some philisophical experience.

Dont take us for idiots.

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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 8:16pm
Ok bluemunky, after that totally idiotic post on the last page you are no longer allowed to share your views on marijuana. I'm not even going to comment on the AK-47 part.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 8:20pm
I don't think weed has influenced my GPA.
I had a 3.67 before I started smoking, and I have a 3.47 now.
I attribute that to two things.
One is that I actually talk to people in school now instead of just sitting there getting my homework done before the hour ends, and the other is that I'm in a few pretty dang hard classes.

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Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by Apu Apu wrote:

Ok bluemunky, after that totally idiotic post on the last page you are no longer allowed to share your views on marijuana. I'm not even going to comment on the AK-47 part.

Do I get an explanation as to why it was an idiotic post?


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