Stupid ?: Can u use the same tanks?
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Topic: Stupid ?: Can u use the same tanks?
Posted By: Pdiddy
Subject: Stupid ?: Can u use the same tanks?
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 4:40pm
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New to paintballing, we bought the 14oz and 20oz Co2 tanks. Can these same tanks hold compressed air? Is there a special adaptor we need for the scuba tank to fill the small tanks? And also one of the guns we bought has an expansion chamber on it, does that in anyway affect the type of gas/air you use?
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Posted By: physcho_monkey
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 4:49pm
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you need to buy a different type of tank to hold air an the exspansion chamber makes no difference i think ------------- the path often lies in the direction of the obstacle!!! |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:00pm
| You will need a HPA tank to hold compressed air. Co2 tanks are not made for that kind of pressure for compressed air. An expansion chamber helps keep liquid co2 out of the gun, but can work on any air source. |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:03pm
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bravecoward wrote:Posted By: Pdiddy
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:14pm
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so where can I get the HPA tanks? What size is the best? He has done competitive air rifle shooting so I am wondering if the adapters we have for that gun will work with the hpa tanks? Sorry for the crazy questions. I am sure I will have more before the day is over. I just will try not to embarass him to bad! Once again, Pdiddy's mom! |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:21pm
| http://www.countysports.com - www.countysports.com has some and so does http://www.pbgear.com - www.pbgear.com . They're both great stores. |
Posted By: GoTsKiLLz
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:21pm
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you can get HPA tanks on basically any paintball site, heres a couple, http://www.888paintball.com - www.888paintball.com , http://www.actionvillage.com - www.actionvillage.com . umm size wise i would go 68/3000 or 68/4500. i recommend the 68/4500. and the brand u wanna look at our Crossfire, Air-America (i think thats wat they are called), and CenterFlag. -------------  
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:46pm
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Yep, You can get scuba fill adaptors at county also. ------------- 
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Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:47pm
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And just to make it clear, HPA, Compressed air, and Nitro are the same thing in the paintball world. So if it says Nitro tank, it's the same thing as a HPA tank. ------------- http://www.macdev.net - MacDev Militia http://www.alienpb.com - Alien - Because winning is more fun. |
Posted By: Pdiddy
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:55pm
| u all are to kind! Keep the info coming! |
Posted By: Pdiddy
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 5:59pm
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why are these tanks so high compared to the CO2? I know probably thinking "man, this poor woman is a dingdong!"
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Posted By: GoTsKiLLz
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 6:02pm
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umm lol thats a good question i wouldnt even kno how to answer that. im thinkin becuz that HPA tanks require more materials in makin the tank becuz of high pressure. but honestly i dont kno so u'll have to wait for more experienced players to answer that...sorry -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 6:22pm
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Most likely due to the higher base cost of the materials, plus the more involved production process for the fibre wrap. CO2 will work fine for Tippmann markers. HPA is an upgrade that can wait until after you've really determined if the sport is for you an you want to dump serious money into it. You can get CO2 to perform pretty reliably with a regulator- agian, a future investment that is not immediately necessary. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 6:26pm
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It's because the military is snatching up all the fiber wrapped HPA tanks for breathing use. The soldiers use them instead of a gas mask now. You can run CO2 with a regulator designed for it, or an expansion chamber to help keep the liquid form of the gas out of your marker. HPA/Nitro is a much better performer. The aluminum 3000 PSI tank you can get for around $40, that's not bad. Make sure you have the ability to get HPA filled before you get the tank. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 6:50pm
Yeah, ignore this guy. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:08pm
Ha OK this doof is canadian military and may still use gas masks. A friend of mine who is in the US Army and a co-worker's son who also is in the US Army both each have 2 fiber wrapped tanks on their back in the middle east. An air gun wholesaler I know turns a profit off taking the regulator out of metal tanks and putting them in carbon fiber tanks to sell since the supply is short from the government buys. Believe it or not the production of a new Boeing airplane is also taking a big chunk out of the bi-annual production of carbon fiber material. Found an artical: http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2004/March/376 - http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2004/March/376 ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:28pm
I'm calling Shens. The military WOULD NOt substitute gas masks for compressed air tanks, for a variety of logistical reasons. Follow my logic here. You get gassed. You pull on your gas mask. Assuming it's not a persistent nerve agent that gets in through your skin and kills you before you don your NBC gear, your'e set. You can continue to breathe, and operate- albeit at a reduced tempo. Conversely, you get gassed. You pull on your HPA mask and breathe through that. You eventually run out of air, and die, since you only have a limited amount with you. You can't refill them from a compressor, either, since that compressor would be pumping in chemical laden air form the outside. The current standard of NBC protection is standardized throughout NATO militaries, generally so they can all use the same filter.s The U.S. military uses the same system concept as the Canadian, british, Australian, french, Italian, or for taht amtter pretty much any military force. A replaceable filter that channels inhaled air through an active carbon filter that elimiantes all chemical agents. If you're being told that tanks are in short supply ebcause the army's using them for NBC protection you're gtting fed a line of bull. There are SCBA systems used by the military, however theya re only deployed as part of designated NBC warfare evaluation/cleanup teams, and they have their own logistical support. the U.S. army as a whole, as well as every other militayr, uses normal gas amsks with conventional filter technology. Contemporary gas masks often are compatible with HPA tank adapters, hwoever they are by no means standard issue among the military. Don't make a blind comment like 'soldiers use them instead of gas masks now' unless you actually understand how the system works, and moreover actually know what you're talking about. Please find me even one news article or press release about HPA tanks being used as part of the standard NBCW protection suite the soldier carries- because I guarantee they aren't. Air tanks are much less energy, cost, time, and space efficient than simple filters, and are not in widespread use. The article you mentioned talks of a widespread carbon fibre shortage- nothing to do with military applications thereof, at least not outside of aerospace. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:30pm
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http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/daily-news/article.php?id=6233 - http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/daily-news/article.php?id=6233 Here's another link. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:33pm
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Did you actually read it? It said the pentagon, not the U.S. army. Carbon fibre has massive aerospace applications. Most of it's likely going to the Air Force- the F/A-22 Raptor is heavily made of carbon fibre. It's the material that is in a shortage- not the HPA carbon fibre air tanks, though that may occur later as a result. And agian, ther'e snothing to substantiate your claim that troops are using them instead of filters in their gas masks. Carbon fibre's very strong and extremely versatile, so it's no surprise that production can't keep up. A lot of automakers are exploring its applications as well. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:42pm
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HPA compressors have very good filters on them. An army air truck could logistically serve several people. That's how the fireman do it. Not everyone has HPA tanks because not everyone is in a potential risk area for that sort of attack. There is a general shortage on carbon fiber remember, just wait, you'll see more small carbon fiber tanks in use in the military. Carbon fiber tank manufacturers are selling most all their tanks in military contracts for all the carbon fiber they get. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 7:51pm
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I said that. I thought I said this:
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 8:17pm
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'The soldiers use them instead of gas masks now' sounds like a generalized statement encompassing the entire military. You're being delibereately obtuse. Yes, a truck could do the job for 'several' soldiers, but any area worth hitting with gas will have many, many more than merely 'several'. There is no way currently logistics could sustain comrpessed air dependant breathing, especially when filtered gas masks are more convenient for both the troops and the logistics guys. Tehre is an EXTREMELY LIMITED number of military specialists who sue self contained breathing apparatus in their jobs, but not enarly enough for that to be statistically significant in the consumption of carbond fibre- particualrly since these military specialties have always used that kind of equipment. Also in your statement you show your ignorance of the system you're describing. HPA can be used in conjunction with a gas mask, provided the troops have the right kind of adapters and regulators, and are trained on it. I could give you dozens of reasons, however, both logistical and tactical as to why it does not make sense to replace standard mask filters with compressed air. Simply put, you are wrong. The army is not responsible for any shortage in HPA tanks. There is a general shortage of carbon fibre as a result of aerospace and other industrial applications, but troops wearing HPA on their backs is not one of the causes even worth mentioning. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 8:39pm
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Both the people I know now that are in the army have carbon fiber HPA tanks. There is a shortage of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is used to make HPA tanks for the military in large numbers. Not many tanks are made with carbon fiber and available to the paintball industry after this. What more can I say. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 8:46pm
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OK, look dude, they are simply put NOT gonna replace standard gas masks and filters with HPA tanks. The logistics and training is a pain in the ass, plus HPA would be much more prone to failure in action. The hose could get tangled, or even worse break off, and suddenly your troop is sucking in Sarin. Filters are a nice simple one piece unit, and more importantly are nearly soldier proof. There is no reason for the military to go to widespread HPA use. They would have to have atrained air tech along with every unit. They'd need high ressure compressors with hgue filters available whenever and wherever needed. The logistical requirements would be a huge pain in the ass, compared to filters that the soldier learns how to use in five minutes on basic training and which are standardized all over the world. HPA is fine for firefighters who will soon leave the smoky environment for clean air, but it makes absolutely no sense in an NBC environment, where such a cumbersome system would get soldiers killed. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 9:18pm
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I never said "replace", I said "use instead of". You imply I mean that all gas masks will become obsolete. I know enlisted men who have the HPA tanks. I spoke with an airgun builder who fabricates equipment for the company I work with. He told me he buys about $30,000 worth of HPA tanks a year and the government is buying up all the carbon fiber ones. They are taking as many as they can get. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 9:42pm
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'use instead of' generally means a replacement in terms of use, but whatever. I'm simply saying that the average soldier has no use for an HPA tank- it's a liability compared to our current equipment. I just don't buy the idea of the U.S. mass buying HPA tanks; I've not noticed any shortage. There si a shortage on carbon fibre, yes, but I've searched and I can't find a single report other than your of the U.S. military buying up air tanks. Here's another thing- a scuba tank will provide enough air to keep a eprson breathing at ground level for about two hours or less. What would be the point of an HPA tank that would only support a person breathing it for less than half an hour? There's simply no logic behind your assertions. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: GoTsKiLLz
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 10:22pm
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why dont u 2 cut it out and chill. focus on the ladies question. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2005 at 11:11pm
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I think her question was already answered satisfactorally, though of course if she has any further enquiries I'll be pleased to help her out.
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Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 19 December 2005 at 7:59am
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Scuba tanks are usually pumped to 3,000-3,500 PSI (usually). They pump their little HPA tanks to 5,000PSI and carry two of them. What I was trying to say is that they use them and are getting many more of them. I don't mean previous equipment is going to the wayside, just that they are using lots of carbon fiber HPA tanks, enough to take a large bite out of production and raise the price of the tanks. I briefly looked for an article but all I have is information from soldiers using the equipment and an industry man who buys and sells HPA tanks wholesale. The govt and aerospace gets most of the carbon fiber produced, then the air tank manufacturers sell a good portion of their carbon fiber tanks to govt contracts. That is my answer to her question of why they are so expensive. That is what I heard, rumor or not I have no desire or modivation to make this stuff up. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Pdiddy
Date Posted: 19 December 2005 at 9:40am
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Thanks you all for all of your help... Thanks GotSkillz for the defense! Sorry I Opened a big can of worms! BUt very interesting information! ANYHOW! We are going to stick with CO2 until we decide if he really likes it,and if he doesnt.... if nothing else when I get mad at the kids I can throw them out side and have target shooting practice! Lol JUST KIDDING! Maybe this teenager that has decided to get into this paintball sport! ( I wll put him in his protective gear though) Will be back with lots more questions though... Take Care! Pdiddy's Mom! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 December 2005 at 5:09pm
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On the topic of protective gear; as an older guy who plays I recommend
a good pair of sports shorts with a cup pocket and a cup also.
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Posted By: GoTsKiLLz
Date Posted: 19 December 2005 at 7:32pm
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i'd just get a pair of paintball pants they dont have a cup but they have a lil strip which is good enuff. -------------
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Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 20 December 2005 at 12:46pm
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that was cool the a mom of a paintball player would do a thing like this, so the game for her son would be the best quilty a it can. all i can do is |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 20 December 2005 at 2:19pm
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 20 December 2005 at 3:40pm
Sorry, I hope you didn't take anything I said as a personal attack- obviously you've no motivation to make up info. I was simply doubting what you said; the veracity of your info is no reflection on you personally. I still find your story strange, and doubtful- there really is no plausible reason for the military to be using HPA tanks, But then again if soldiers you know are saying they're carrying them, well I can't really dispute taht. I expect the production of carbon fibre HPA tanks is small enough that even a very minor military contract would take a chunk out of the actual total production. There no way this will become common with any kind of combat trade, but I suppose a few limited service and support trades could use HPA in a chemical environment without risk, so long as they had access to significant stocks of it. I still can't figure out what their motivation is for this, though. If you find any articles mentioning the HPA tanks specifically, send me a link in a thread or PM. I keep my ear to the ground on military matters, so suffice to say I find it stratnge that this site is the first palce I'd hear of this... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 20 December 2005 at 5:29pm
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I'll see if I can get some more info about it next time I talk to either of them. I used to know a guy in the supply side of the army, he could probably answer but I lost track of him when I got a different job. I think it is just something not significant enough to make news. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 8:13am
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I talked to one of the Army guys, he said his carbon fiber tanks are about 3 times as big as the paintball ones. I talked to the custom airgun builder and he told me that there are only 2 companies that make carbon fiber tanks, but this next year there will be a total of 5 so maybe the prices will get better. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 1:58pm
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Alright, please spare me as I didn't read the entire thread.
But IMHO, I am no professional, but having talked to professionals, there is really no danger in running HPA in a co2 tank! The problem is, the co2 tank can only hold about 800-1000psi safely, even if it held 2000 psi it would be a pretty pitiful number of shots per tank fill. There is no safety issue with putting HPA in a co2 tank as long as it is within the safety rating of psi for the tank. It's just not worth it to fill a co2 tank with HPA due to the small # of shots per fill. You cannot put co2 into a standard HPA tank safely, because the HPA tank is not made to handle the fluctuating temps and pressures that co2 goes through. HPA tanks tend to be much more expensive because they are made to withstand higher pressures.....most of them are capable of filling to 4500psi. Plus they are fiber-wrapped, so basically you get what you pay for.....a lot more goes into the construction of a HPA tank, and the consumer has to eat some of the cost. If your kid is just starting out and shooting a Tippmann, so long as you don't live in the extreme cold, a $20 20oz co2 tank will serve him fine for awhile until he learns more about the guns and game. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 2:01pm
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sorry for the double post, but I also am somewhat into airgunning, and I know what you're talking about when you say some of the more competitive ones use HPA. It will depend, some of the higher end airguns use NON_standardized fittings made just for their line of guns, while others have more universal fill nipples.
Either way a fill station for HPA or co2 will only run you about $50-60 for a rather good one. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 3:21pm
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A real nice air gun runs off helium. No one uses it because it is hard to get filled, but it is a better performer. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 6:58pm
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I've just heard helium is a better propellant, but I don't think just cuz a airgun uses helium it's necessarily better or nicer
I'm pretty sure the olympic shooters have been using HPA for awhile But I admittedly don't know much about airguns other than the little bit I've researched and the few I own ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 9:48pm
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zesty. wha kinda air guns do u own?? i might get 1 and do u have ne sugestions. srry for being off topic but ne ways. oh yeah wha does ur signature mean? ------------- __||__ [ }------ =() =() //' || R THOSE MY BALLS ON UR FACE |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 10:11pm
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I'm guessing enos owned his sig.
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 December 2005 at 11:13pm
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^My sig?
eliminator, the only ones I own right now are all springers 2 of them are side-cockers w/fixed barrels, and the other 2 are barrel-cocking. The 2 side-cockers I got for like $25 each, one is .22 cal and the other .177....they are some cheap chinese guns that I heard were cool to mess with for the money. They are called "Fast Deer". It is actual wood and metal and the gun is less than $40, you can't really go very wrong with that kinda price point. Not very powerful, but will take down small stuff and good to get for the price. For the barrel-cockers, one is a Winchester brand and the other is also Chinese, made by a company called "BAM"(I know). The Winchester was about $80 with a little scope, has really nice wood stock, and pretty good power. The trigger is plastic and sucks bad, but if you can overcome that the gun is powerful enough and looks very nice with the maple stock, IMO. The wood stock looks like it would cost $80 alone. The Winchester is made in Turkey believe it or not! I have this one in .177 The BAM B18/19 is also .177, and also cost about $80, but didn't come with a crappy scope, oh well. The wood is not nearly as nice as the Winchester, but it is also much lighter and better balanced. The trigger is metal and adjustable. Kind of a poor-man's 2-stage trigger, but it works well. The gun is very powerful for it's weight....I lined up 3 soda cans full of water, and shot at them from a measured 30 yards, with wadcutter pellets the first 2 cans were fully penetrated, and the pellets lodged into the 3rd can firmly. But I also had to do a little work to the B18/19 because they have poor QC coming from China, but I guess they are getting better and better. Overall I think the Winchester is a really nice gun and worth the cash, but the B18/19 pretty much smokes it in all departments but looks and quality control...you may have to work a few bugs out with the Chinese gun, but it is a better gun in the longrun. None of them anywhere close to high-end though! ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 22 December 2005 at 12:21pm
Wouldn't you also have issues with the fact that CO2 tanks don't have regulated valves? -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 22 December 2005 at 1:11pm
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The reason they cost so much is that there is a severe carbon fiber
shortage. THe millitary is buying mass amounts of carbon fiber
because it is used in the ballistic armor in tanks.
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 December 2005 at 2:05pm
------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 December 2005 at 8:55pm
You thought wrong. CO2 tanks have a burst disk that will burst above a certain PSI, but they are most certainly not a regulated output. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 December 2005 at 8:57pm
Nah, it's for aircraft that they're using it. The U.S. tanks use Chobham armor, a british armour that alternates layers of steel plating with layers of classified ceramics. Carbon fibre isn't sufficiently strong to resist antitank weapons. There's a lot of civilian use for car bodies and such, too. A lot of high end cars and concept cars are using carbon fibre bodies to save weight. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 1:19pm
I always thought they had like whack, preset regs that kept them below 800psi. My mistake. ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 2:34pm
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Nah... The CO2 just naturally expands to 800PSI from it's liquid state. Very high gas-liquid compression ratio.
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 2:36pm
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What is the gas-liquid compression ratio? ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 3:05pm
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Couldn't tell you; I'm not sure what the psi of liquid CO2 is. However, if the liquid in the tank is not compressed and is at standard atmospheric of 14.7psi pressure, that would be about a 54.1:1 compression ratio... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 3:08pm
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Oops, I was wrong. Apaprently liquid CO2 must be rpessurized to remain a liquid, and must be pressurized above 5.1 atmospheres, or 74.97 PSI. That's the bare minimnum for a liquid state, though. I guess liquid CO2 in a bulk tank is kept at 800 PSI simply due to the temperature it was compressed at. I'm not much of a chemist thoguh, so I'm honestly not sure. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 23 December 2005 at 5:21pm
 ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |