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Topic: Death Penalty

Posted By: Cedric
Subject: Death Penalty
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:37pm

Pretty straight forward. I'm against it.

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Posted By: glazener24
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:40pm

Yes.

Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:41pm

Some people serve no purpose in this world, and would be a danger to inmates in prison.

Thats why i like the death penalty.

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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:41pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

Some people serve no purpose in this world, and would be a danger to inmates in prison.

Thats why i like the death penalty.

You serve no purpose.

OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

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Posted By: Bounty
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:41pm

I think if you can prove that a person commited a crime bad enough for it then sure. ONLY IF YOU CAN PROVE IT WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL, I mean hard evidence.

Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:43pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

Some people serve no purpose in this world, and would be a danger to inmates in prison.

Thats why i like the death penalty.

If they serve no purpose in this world, put them in prison.. If they give any trouble to the inmates, move them to a more seculded part of the prison.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:46pm

Against it.

I feel that if there already hasn't been, there will eventually be one person who is innocent and is given the death penalty.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:46pm

What for? If this person is killing just for the sake of killing, because he likes it, he doesnt deserve to live, and we shouldnt have to support of disgusting animal like that.

If he is a danger to people on the outside, put him in jail, if he commited a capital crime, put him in prison, if he he is a threat to prisoners inside. Kill him.

Inmates should not have to be subjected to an animal like that, we are already taking one of the most precious things they have from them, time, life, freedom, they should have to deal with someone who would just as soon as kill them as look at them.

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Posted By: Goiduck
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:48pm

Some guy threatened to hang me up by the rafters, for no reason. He was bothering some guy on his break and I said, "He's come back for more." Then he threatened to hang me. What a psycho, he should be in prison. He desires to hurt people.

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Posted By: Goiduck
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:49pm

And I believe he should receive the death penalty. What a psycho. He's as old as my grandfather, too, so no one would really miss him.

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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 10:49pm

Ride the Lightning.

Oh oh oh a Metallica reference loosely guised as an affirmative to the question! Two birds with one stone!

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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:00pm

well i am kind of uncetain on this topic , if you think about it spending your whole life in jail is pretty bad. That is a long time , it is pretty bad knowing you are stuck in their for ever. I guess if they did something bad enough and have enough evidence they should do the death penalty.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:01pm

A life sentence, isnt even till you die, its like 20-25 years.

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:02pm

Kill everyone, even for jaywalking.

That will make the world a beter place in no time.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:02pm

DBibeau855 wrote:

A life sentence, isnt even till you die, its like 20-25 years.

True, they need to make that stricter.

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Posted By: Attila
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:07pm

debatable: i chose yes, but its a touchy topic, because its terrible if people are charged with crimes they did not commit, and are killed because of it. But a lot more times than not, the right people are charged and need to serve the death penalty that they deserve.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:08pm

Heres To You wrote:

DBibeau855 wrote:

A life sentence, isnt even till you die, its like 20-25 years.

True, they need to make that stricter.

Not really.

Getting 6 months for stealing 14 billion dollars and robbing thousands of pensions and livelyhoods, they should make THAT stricter.

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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:10pm

I'm against it. We're the only civilized country to still use it and it doesn't really have a point. You're just gonna go to prison and get stabbed with a sharpened spoon anyways.

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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:12pm

(23:02:47) W G P: just do us all a favor
(23:02:56) W G P never become a judge
(23:03:54) W G P : yes, because we really want some lunatic pulling out a shotgun on the defendant
(23:03:58) W G P : lol
(23:04:00) W G P: i can see it now
(23:04:02) dbib: HELL YES WE DO
(23:04:16) dbib: "we find the defended guilty on all charges"
(23:04:25) dbib: "waaahoooo BANG BANG BANG!"
(23:04:47) dbib: "your honor, that was prosecutor"
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Posted By: piranhakiller
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:18pm

I'm against I guess...I mean if I was in that position I would rather be left in jail to rot than nething else but were paying for that which ppl always complain about btu I would rather pay alittle every month so some person doesnt have to be killed for what they did.

But I do agree that things do need to change sentence length wise...Id rather see them rot in jail rather than be free on the streets b/c someone felt sorry for them on the parole board....

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Posted By: Cheetos3254
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:23pm

Yes

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Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:35pm

I can go both ways. It has to be one hundred percent proven. Mistakes like that should not happen.

Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:40pm

1. It is not proven to be a deterrent.

2. Capital punishment usually costs more money than life in prison due to the extra costs of the courts such as mistrials, appeals, and extra supervisions.

3. Prisons are plenty capaible to deal with prisoners now.

4. Verdicts can be wrong. Since 1973, 119 people in 25 US states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. One person was one too many.

5.The death penalty brutalizes society, by sending out the message that killing people is the right thing to do in some circumstances.

6. It is absolutly irreversible. No chance for rehabillitation.

7. Some executions are botched, lethal injection in the US having the highest rate according to Amnesty International. This is often due to the fact that qualified medical professionals are prohibited from taking part. This leads to unqualified staff often taking extreme measures such as cutting into the arms of prisoners when they have been unable to locate a vein in lethal injection procedures.

8. It is nothing but a form of legal revenge.

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Posted By: piranhakiller
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 11:42pm

Oh and is it true that Texas is still able to hang ppl? Flame me if u want but I heard it was still around and haven't been able to find ne info on it....

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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:58am

it's too touchy...i'm undecided

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 1:22am

I'm for it.

True, there are alwasy the exceptions, but most of the time when the person is proven guilty, they are guilty. Or they have really bad luck since it has to be "Beyond reasonable doubt"

So I say screw the whole waiting 20+ years thing.. make it 5 MAX!

But hey, thats the whole 'extreme right wing kill all baby-killers and Bush rocks all' part of me talking...(sarcasm)

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:00am

Not a binary proposition. Most definitely not "pretty simple".

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:04am

It's like my Creation-Evolution answer, it's clearly a mix of both that makes the best fitting answer...

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:24am

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

1. It is not proven to be a deterrent.

get some solid evidence?

2. Capital punishment usually costs more money than life in prison due to the extra costs of the courts such as mistrials, appeals, and extra supervisions.

likie i said, evidence. show us where it costs more or less.

3. Prisons are plenty capaible to deal with prisoners now.

idk about where you live, but it's not that way across the country.

4. Verdicts can be wrong. Since 1973, 119 people in 25 US states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. One person was one too many.

and acquittals can be wrong, so? people make mistakes...it's what makes us human.

5.The death penalty brutalizes society, by sending out the message that killing people is the right thing to do in some circumstances.

giving them a free ride for life or saying "it's ok, just don't do it again" weakens a society. needs to have an even balance of both. carlin took it to the extreme by saying "i think we should have public executions" of course it's part of his act but his reasoning was pretty good even for it being a joke.

6. It is absolutly irreversible. No chance for rehabillitation.

some don't really deserve rehab. and if people object due to religious reasons, "do unto others...." it's fair game if you look at it that way...

i never understood the need for "humane" killing...it defeats the purpose, an oxymoron if you will... but i do think if someone's life will be taken as punishment, them dying is enough. no real need to "cut into the arm" if that really does happen.

8. It is nothing but a form of legal revenge.

what's wrong with revenge? if debts(calling life a debt may seem ironic) go unpaid....then what precedent does that set? like i said before, they showed no respect for their fellow man, they took a life. what makes them worthy of theirs? they must think it is not a precious commodity or value it in any way... why do they need to live theirs?

basicly stating my stance in the red there, but i am for the death penalty 100%. if they are given a fair trial, and their guilt can be proven without a doubt, then good riddance.

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Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:27am

an eye for an eye

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Posted By: proteus316
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:36am

piranhakiller wrote:

Oh and is it true that Texas is still able to hang ppl? Flame me if u want but I heard it was still around and haven't been able to find ne info on it....

if it still is around i believe its only for horse rustlers,so if you catch someone stealing your horse you can throw a noose over a tree limb.....

Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:37am

you stole my horse proteus! *gets the rope*

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Posted By: proteus316
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:52am

you'll never catch me since i stole your seabiscuit

Posted By: bluemunky
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 8:06am

Bounty wrote:

I think if you can prove that a person commited a crime bad enough for it then sure. ONLY IF YOU CAN PROVE IT WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL, I mean hard evidence.

I agree, and I think the crime must be very serious. Life in prison is a pretty harsh sentence, death penalty is much worse.

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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 9:57am

Executions should be done by forcing the inmate to commit seppuku with a frisbee. Or rubber band-snapping them to death.

Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 10:20am

High Voltage wrote:

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

1. It is not proven to be a deterrent.

get some solid evidence?

Thats the point, you cannot have solid evidence that it is a deterrent. It just wont work, trying to poll it. You yourself can look at the information, but the point is it can never be proven as a deterrent.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=167 - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did= 167

2. Capital punishment usually costs more money than life in prison due to the extra costs of the courts such as mistrials, appeals, and extra supervisions.

likie i said, evidence. show us where it costs more or less.

Links!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7 - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid =7

http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/cappun.htm - http://www.fguide.org/Bulletin/cappun.htm

3. Prisons are plenty capaible to deal with prisoners now.

idk about where you live, but it's not that way across the country.

What I am saying is that they can safely contain prisoners. Back-in-the-day, overly dangerous prisoners were simply exicuted. Now we have the technology to contain thoes types of people.

4. Verdicts can be wrong. Since 1973, 119 people in 25 US states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. One person was one too many.

and acquittals can be wrong, so? people make mistakes...it's what makes us human.

Right. But its better not to be wrong, make mistakes, and "be human" when the life of another innocent human being lies in the decisions.

5.The death penalty brutalizes society, by sending out the message that killing people is the right thing to do in some circumstances.

I wouldnt use a stand up comedian to back up your claims. But anyway, that whole mindset is false. No one is saying that people are getting a free ride. A life sentance in a high security facility is not a "free ride."

6. It is absolutly irreversible. No chance for rehabillitation.

some don't really deserve rehab. and if people object due to religious reasons, "do unto others...." it's fair game if you look at it that way...

"Some people dont deserve it" is a copout. Try better next time.

Yes it really does happen. They slice open the skin on the underside of the elbow to try and find a good vein to use. And the whole "humane" killing bit, thats in our constitutuion, No cruel or unusual punishment.

8. It is nothing but a form of legal revenge.

We have set up a society to stop revenge. Our system is set up on fair punishment, not revenge.

To think otherwise is less than intelligent.

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 11:49am

Whale, how many innocent people have been wrongly executed? You only said that 119 people had been released from death row after being proved innocent.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 11:50am

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 11:54am

Sammy wrote:

Whale, how many innocent people have been wrongly executed? You only said that 119 people had been released from death row after being proved innocent.

Honestly I dont know, but you have to figure in the days before DNA testing and the amount of forensics we have today plenty of mistakes were made.

Think about it though. 119. One hundred and nineteen people that were condemned to die in the hands of the law were let go becuase they were found innocent. Thats just shocking to most clear thinking people.

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 11:57am

I am for the Death penalty, but it needs to have a complete overhaul.

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:01pm

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Sammy wrote:

Whale, how many innocent people have been wrongly executed? You only said that 119 people had been released from death row after being proved innocent.

Honestly I dont know, but you have to figure in the days before DNA testing and the amount of forensics we have today plenty of mistakes were made.

I think that figure proves how much better our justice system is now, compared to say, thirty years ago.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:06pm

Wrong. Those people were released after efforts by people that had nothing to do with the justice system. The justice system was done with them.

The Innocence Project is entirely non-governmental. Those numbers show that we continue to convict innocent people.

Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:18pm

think about it....theyre in there for a reason, now people who have life sentences should be killed, bc lets face it, how much monye does it cost a yr to house these scumbags, compared to the cost of just killing them, i know it sounds bad, but its realistic

Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:21pm

GI JOES SON wrote:

how much monye does it cost a yr to house these scumbags, compared to the cost of just killing them, i know it sounds bad, but its realistic

Except not really.

Look at the links I posted.

It is alot more expensive to kill someone than to keep them in prison.

Them there's facts, partner.

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:28pm

If we popped em right away, it would be cheaper. Anybody remember the inmates that were getting expensive surgeries such as breast implants? Some inmates were getting better medical care than average people in the US.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:30pm

Sammy wrote:

If we popped em right away, it would be cheaper.

And the 119 people that were later found to be innocent waiting on death row?

Anybody remember the inmates that were getting expensive surgeries such as breast implants?

No, Link?

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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:40pm

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:44pm

After googling it, I found out the article was in a Reader's Digest not to far back. It was titled "Must our Prisons be Resorts."

And to the poppin people right away, it goes in circles. You argue that the death penalty costs more money than life in prison, yet you are against killing them right away to save money? I see your point on the innocent people, but still.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 12:45pm

Sammy wrote:

And to the poppin people right away, it goes in circles. You argue that the death penalty costs more money than life in prison, yet you are against killing them right away to save money?

Its not a circle when you do away with the death penalty all together, which is what I support.

I think we should enforce life sentances, and do away with capital punishment.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 2:20pm

Im all for killing prisoners that are a danger to other prisoners if they are guilty of a capital crime.

Why should we pay through the nose to house an inmate that is little more than an animal?

If an animal were to kill for the joy of killing. We kill it.

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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 5:45pm

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

GI JOES SON wrote:

how much monye does it cost a yr to house these scumbags, compared to the cost of just killing them, i know it sounds bad, but its realistic

Except not really.

Look at the links I posted.

It is alot more expensive to kill someone than to keep them in prison.

Them there's facts, partner.

i dunno, i mean say somone kills his family when hes 20, and gets life, you sayin that its cheaper to keep him in jail for life than it is to kill him?

Posted By: Da dude
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 5:52pm

if someone has unlawfully killed someone and ended a life of another human they should be killed no argues about it. a human life is something you cant just say whoop dee doo put him in jail he needs severe punishment and sence he killed somone he should be killed.not tourtured just a quik death

Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 5:55pm

yea to gi

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 6:39pm

GI JOES SON wrote:

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

GI JOES SON wrote:

how much monye does it cost a yr to house these scumbags, compared to the cost of just killing them, i know it sounds bad, but its realistic

Except not really.

Look at the links I posted.

It is alot more expensive to kill someone than to keep them in prison.

Them there's facts, partner.

i dunno, i mean say somone kills his family when hes 20, and gets life, you sayin that its cheaper to keep him in jail for life than it is to kill him?

Did you bother reading the links I posted?

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 6:44pm

Da dude wrote:

if someone has unlawfully killed someone and ended a life of another human they should be killed no argues about it.

Umm...Manslaughter? Non-Premeditated murder? That kind of blanket theory doesnt work,

a human life is something you cant just say whoop dee doo put him in jail he needs severe punishment

Life in jail is not severe punishment? Have you ever been in prison? And if it is wrong to say "whoop dee doo put him in jail" why is it not wrong to say "whoop dee doo kill him"?

I fail to see the point.

and sence he killed somone he should be killed.not tourtured just a quik death

It is simply not that easy.

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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 6:51pm

Yea, i like it! Turn our prisons into slaughter houses!

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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 8:07pm

Killing a second person won't settle anything.

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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 8:10pm

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Posted By: devil-fire
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 9:06pm

yes! most definetely

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Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 9:12pm

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