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Topic: need help with marker *new*
Posted By: extremep8ntbllr
Subject: need help with marker *new*
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 4:50pm
I need help selecting a marker with 200$ that is a sniper.
please respond  .
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Posted By: monty_sniper
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 4:54pm
buddy, there's no such thing as snipers in paintball, you are going to get so flamed for this. ok, now that your ready. ok, ne experinced player knows there's no such thing as a sniper in paintball, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. you will learn.
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Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 5:01pm
Snipers don't exist in paintball noob.
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 5:38pm
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Get a Custom Pro or A-5. No snipers in paintball.
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Posted By: jw1961
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 5:50pm
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 Uberhamster wrote:
Snipers don't exist in paintball noob. |
you're new not a noob. get a custom pro
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Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 6:09pm
jw1961 wrote:
Uberhamster wrote:
Snipers don't exist in paintball noob. |
you're new not a noob. get a custom pro |
What?
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Stiffy2008- 'wat is a noob?'
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 6:13pm
I'll assume you mean the WGP Sniper or sniper II pump gun. That's just it's name.
However, since you almost certainly mean an accurate gun, pick a stock gun, A-5 or 98, buy a good barrel like a lapco bigshot and good paint, and possibly when you get the money a nitrogen tank. If you're looking for distance get a flatline or apex barrel, however they aren't as accurate as most non-backspin barrels.
Also if you want people's opinions on sniping in paintball, do a search and read some threads. Don't expect even with the best barrel, paint and most consistant air source, and unmatched skill to be able to shoot people at long range, especially at ranges farther than they can shoot back and hit you.
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Posted By: jw1961
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 6:17pm
Uberhamster wrote:
jw1961 wrote:
Uberhamster wrote:
Snipers don't exist in paintball noob. |
you're new not a noob. get a custom pro
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What?
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i guess that doesn't make much sense does it. I mean that he is new to the forum, and thus he's new to paintball experts, so he just getting the hang of things. He is new, not a noob.
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 7:38pm
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DONT LISTEN TO THOSE IDIOTS THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPER MEANS. THERE IS SUCH THING AS SNIPERS IN PAITBALL. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT SNIPER MEANS GO LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY.
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Posted By: Sureshot3091.
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 7:40pm
Bio...You might as well just shut up, no offense, but you'll loose in this forum.
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 7:44pm
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I DONT CARE ITS JUST PPL DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPERS MEANS.
Deffinition of an sniper: Someone who shoots at unprotected peaple from a hidden position.
Maybe there isnt a gun thats a sniper but there are snipers in paintball (woodsball).
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Posted By: 98c west
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:01pm
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Bio123 wrote:
DONT LISTEN TO THOSE IDIOTS THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPER MEANS. THERE IS SUCH THING AS SNIPERS IN PAITBALL. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT SNIPER MEANS GO LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY. |
lol
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Posted By: monty_sniper
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:09pm
Bio123 wrote:
I DONT CARE ITS JUST PPL DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPERS MEANS.
Deffinition of an sniper: Someone who shoots at unprotected peaple from a hidden position.
Maybe there isnt a gun thats a sniper but there are snipers in paintball (woodsball). |
you idiot, just leave with the rest of your dignaty that you have...
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Posted By: 98c west
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:09pm
Bio123 wrote:
I DONT CARE ITS JUST PPL DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPERS MEANS.
Deffinition of an sniper: Someone who shoots at unprotected peaple from a hidden position.
Maybe there isnt a gun thats a sniper but there are snipers in paintball (woodsball).
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sniper: a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place (from dictionary.com).
ok#1:how can you play woodsball and and shoot with a paintball marker (which are loud so you couldn't conceal your posistion).
And #2: how could you manage to hit someone without hitting a branch or the y know that you are shooting at them.
If you want to be a sniper go to the military. Here's another meaning of SNIPER: A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
Then again, if you go to the military, you couldn't be a sniper because it said SKILLED MILITARY SHOOTER!
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Posted By: 98c west
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:12pm
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Sureshot3091. wrote:
Bio...You might as well just shut up, no offense, but you'll loose in this forum. |
Correct. 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
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9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
of paintballers dont believe in snipers.
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:16pm
98c west wrote:
Bio123 wrote:
I DONT CARE ITS JUST PPL DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPERS MEANS.
Deffinition of an sniper: Someone who shoots at unprotected peaple from a hidden position.
Maybe there isnt a gun thats a sniper but there are snipers in paintball (woodsball).
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sniper: a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place (from dictionary.com).
ok#1:how can you play woodsball and and shoot with a paintball marker (which are loud so you couldn't conceal your posistion).
And #2: how could you manage to hit someone without hitting a branch or the y know that you are shooting at them.
If you want to be a sniper go to the military. Here's another meaning of SNIPER: A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
Then again, if you go to the military, you couldn't be a sniper because it said SKILLED MILITARY SHOOTER!
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lol thats why u add a scope and by the way every dictionary is diff and for your (ok#1 part) not all guns are loud.
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:19pm
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and your just trying to be cool with posting a new topic with your diff name and saying "lol remember now i only did this to show the noobs out there like jw1961 that there isnt suck thing as sniper"
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Posted By: Uberhamster
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 8:56pm
jw1961 wrote:
Uberhamster wrote:
jw1961 wrote:
Uberhamster wrote:
Snipers don't exist in paintball noob. |
you're new not a noob. get a custom pro
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What?
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i guess that doesn't make much sense does it. I mean that he is new to the forum, and thus he's new to paintball experts, so he just getting the hang of things. He is new, not a noob.
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That's kind of what the definition of a noob is..... noob.
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Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 9:05pm
sum 1 should make a sticky telling people not to post bout snipers, even tho it is funny cause every1 spazes!
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Posted By: monty_sniper
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 9:09pm
Bio123 wrote:
98c west wrote:
Bio123 wrote:
I DONT CARE ITS JUST PPL DONT EVEN KNOW WAT SNIPERS MEANS.
Deffinition of an sniper: Someone who shoots at unprotected peaple from a hidden position.
Maybe there isnt a gun thats a sniper but there are snipers in paintball (woodsball).
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sniper: a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place (from dictionary.com).
ok#1:how can you play woodsball and and shoot with a paintball marker (which are loud so you couldn't conceal your posistion).
And #2: how could you manage to hit someone without hitting a branch or the y know that you are shooting at them.
If you want to be a sniper go to the military. Here's another meaning of SNIPER: A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
Then again, if you go to the military, you couldn't be a sniper because it said SKILLED MILITARY SHOOTER!
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lol thats why u add a scope and by the way every dictionary is diff and for your (ok#1 part) not all guns are loud.
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a scope doesn't make ur gun more accurate all guns have the same range at a safe velocity except for a flatline, but it won't break at that range or even get the "sniper" range.
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 9:33pm
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i know he said how can u make sure your hitting them from far range thats why i said just add a scope.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 January 2006 at 10:40pm
Welcome to the forum. As you may have noted, any discussion with
the word "sniper" in it can get quite interesting. Here's my two
cents on that subject.
- If you think your going to be able to eliminate opponents with
one shot at ranges where they will never be able to locate you and
return fire, you will be disappointed. Paintballs are spherical
with a liquid center which makes them very poor projectiles. You
can have the best marker with a top of the line aftermarket barrel and
all kinds of gadgets and gizmos for aiming and stablizing gas pressure,
but the ammo will still be the weak link.
- If you think you will be a paintball sniper by merely hiding in
the bushes and ambushing anyone who walks by, then I laugh at you now
because that isn't sniping. It's camping and hoping for a target.
- On the other hand, if you plan on stalking your prey, staying
mobile, and working on your marksmanship, you may very well achieve the
paintball sniper status you aspire to. Good luck.
- However, whatever you plan to do, I offer the following marker related advice.
- Get a Tippmann, they're indestructable and they also make a good backup marker if you decide to upgrade to something fancier.
- Don't go out and buy a kit or a whole bunch of neat stuff for
your marker all at once. Practice with and get familiar with your
marker in its basic configuration. If you have the opportunity,
"test drive" upgrades like barrels and hoppers. If you can't do
this, talk to people that have them and get their opinions. (When
you do this, don't accept an answer like "it sucks", find out why they
have the opinion they do.) Upgrade your marker slowly so you can
work any bugs out of the modifications you do before you add others.
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Posted By: JimmyC8277
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 1:24am
Physics my friend: scopes dont work since paintballs arent accurate..theyre spherical...Bio your gonna make enemies quickly here. I understand the problem with the "s" word here and we're all very touchy about it. Your fighting a losing battle
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Posted By: Mr.Shake56
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 4:18am
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why does someone have to say sniper why?!?!?!?!?!
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Posted By: Pro_Carbine
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 9:25am
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I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball...
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 11:05am
Pro_Carbine wrote:
I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball... |
Scenerio Game: There are no snipers...
Lets Hear a Few words of wisdom from SR_Crewchief, a member of OMHW (a Scenerio Team).
SR_Crewchief wrote:
BASIC Sniper Tactics and how they relate to paintball 101
First some basics need to be established. The game is paintball and
for the purposes of this class it is played in the woods where the
terrain dictates that you’ll be engaging each other most of the time at
between 20 and 25 meters. (In other words close range) It is played
most often by 2 opposing sides of roughly equal size. For all intent
and purposes this game is modeled on military small unit combat.
Now several you are going "whoo hoo, my kind of sniper
country"…without knowing what makes a sniper. Many of you have gone to
the dictionary and found a reference saying something to the effect
that a sniper is someone who fires from concealment and have used this
a your basis for your claim to being one in paintball. That's all well
and dandy, except you ignore the rest of the definition.
snip·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sn p r)n. A skilled military
shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed
place. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth EditionCopyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.Published by
Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Now you’ll note that this expanded definition is still quite
general in it scope, after all anyone who squats behind bush to fire is
a sniper which is not the case.
So, since the dictionary has not resolved this we must consult the
experts for a better definition of what makes a sniper in our chosen
environment. It happens that I’ve had the opportunity to do just that
from time to time in my 22 years in the Army.
In summary here are the extreme basics of what is an effective sniper:
· A superior marksman
· Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment
· The ability to approach the target without being detected
· Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire
· The ability to engage the target without revealing your position
· The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged
The first three of these points are possible in the game of
paintball, but do not make you a sniper, they just take some training
and practice.
Let’s look at them one at a time.
A superior marksman
Basically someone who’s shooting skills are well above that of the
average player. No big problem here, skill levels very, some people are
just plain better than others.
Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment
This one is a little tougher. It takes knowledge of what will fool
the eye into not seeing what is really there. It’s still doable though.
Trained military have an advantage over the someone whose camouflage
skills are solely based on hunting. Not because the non-military hunter
is any less skilled but because of who the camouflage is intended to
fool. But once armed with the knowledge of what the differences are
this isn’t even a problem. So, yes this can be effectively applied to
paintball.
The ability to approach the target without being detected
This one is a bigger problem. If just taken as being able to move
close enough to a player that is already in place to make your shot
undetected is very difficult. Since instinctively humans are hunters,
our attention is automatically drawn to movement or things that are out
of place. It’s takes someone that is extremely skilled in moving
undected to pull this one off. But I have seen it done.
I should add to this the ability to setup a position that provides
an undetected position from which to shoot that covers an area you
expect your opponent to move through. A basic ambush.
Both require an undetected shooting position and can be effectively applied to paintball depending on skill level
The last three points are where the concept of a sniper in paintball fails.
Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire
No matter what you do, as long as everyone has the same approximate
muzzle velocity, everyone has about the same effective range. Yes, that
means Flatlines too. While Flatlines do have the ability, do to an
aerodynamic backspin, shoot farther than other barrel systems the
paintball still loses velocity at the same rate. What this means is
that a paintball from a flatline loses the energy to break its shell at
the same rate as one fired from a conventional barrel. The advantage of
the flatline is initial flat trajectory that paintball has, which
allows someone to fire under foliage that would otherwise break the
ball. (The first failed point in being an effective sniper)
The ability to engage the target without revealing your position
Since the effective range is around 20-25m means that when you fire
you have effectively revealed your general position. What I mean is
this. Your shooting from such a close range that either the pop of your
ball leaving the barrel or the sound of your bolt cycling (or both)
will give your general position away to anyone with average hearing as
far away as 40m. Unless you are only engaging 1 or 2 people or are
extremely lucking you yourself can now be effectively counted as a
mission kill. (The second failed point in being an effective sniper)
The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged
What this means is the ability move to a new shooting position
after having engaged a target without being detected and
counter-engaged your self. Since it’s been demonstrated that you can’t
effectively engage a target without revealing your initial shooting
position and exposing yourself to effective counter fire this one
automatically fails. (The third failed point in being an effective
sniper)
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Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 2:40pm
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Posted By: Bio123
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 2:48pm
Pro_Carbine wrote:
I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball...
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someone gets it
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 2:56pm
Bio123 wrote:
Pro_Carbine wrote:
I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball...
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someone gets it
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No someone doesnt get it. Specifically you dont get it.
Have you ever been to a sniping school?
Do you engage enemies from beyond the effective range of return fire?
Do you use complex Algebreic Formulas to predict exact shot placement?
Do you have to adjust for windage and elevation?
Do you have the ability to chose your target specifically, and engage with one shot from a range that it is impossible for the enemy to know where you were until you are long gone?
Do you have the ability to shoot at targets so far away that they are dead before they hear the shot?
If not, you are not a sniper.
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Posted By: yesr
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 5:20pm
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just get a 98 custom and just make it look like a sniper
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 5:34pm
BIO: http:// - http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/tipclip/s2/p7.ht ml
watch the sniper show.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 6:29pm
Snake 6:
I have to disagree with one aspect of your SR_Crewchief quote.
Paintballs fired from a Flatline barrel do retain velocity better than
those fired from regular barrels. It has to do with the drag
coefficient as it relates to the Reynolds numbers in correlation with
the spin imparted on the ball by the barrel. What happens with a
F/L launched paintball is once the Reynolds number drops below the
critical point due to the spin decreasing because of air friction, the
spin no longer reduces drag but actually increases it. This is
why paintballs fired from an F/L seem to flutter and die at the end of
their trajectory. This is also why, along with angle of impact,
that F/L launched paintballs are more likely to break on target at
longer ranges than those fired from normal barrel.
The downside to the F/L barrel is that this very same spin that
provides extra range and impact force downrange also has a negative
effect on accuracy that increases proportional to range. This
spin brings the following factors into consideration for effecting
accuracy:
- The seam on the paintball. Paintballs fed from a hopper
feed in a random manner which means the seam can face in any
direction. The seam angle, relative to the imparted spin, acts
like the seam on a baseball in that when it is at certain angles of
attack to the wind resistance it will cause "curve balls".
- How the marker is held when fired. A right or left tilt ,
no matter how slight, will cause the spin to be imparted on the
paintball at a less than perfect manner. This "off center" spin
also decreases accuracy.
- How the barrel is installed. If it isn't on perfectly straight, it creates the same issues as in the bullet above.
- Imperfections in the paint.
- A spinning imperfection on the surface of the paintball will interfere radically with wind resistance and affect accuracy.
- It can also cause reduced accuracy through "wobble" attributed to cetrifugal force.
- Crosswinds affect the flight of paint from a F/L more than paint from other barrel because of the spin.
There are probably other factors I missed, but I think my point is
made. That point is, even though the F/L adds range and allows
more retention of velocity at that additional range, the pro-sniper
crowd can't point to it and say "see, we win, there is a sniper
barrel". Simply put, the F/L is not accurate enough for that
under most circumstances*. What the flatline is, is a very useful
tool for providing cover fire and suppressive fire at long range.
*Where the F/L has proved useful in what might be considered a
paintball sniper roll is in very thick cover. The initial flat
trajectory mentioned in the SR_Crewchief quote is very useful in these
situations for putting paint on opponents through small firing lanes
(breaks in the cover) that they can't return fire through because the
arc required at the ranges in question cause the paint to break on the
overhanging branches, leaves, etc.
This still does not automatically make anyone who uses it in this
manner a sniper, despite the fact they are immune to counterfire.
There are still the issues with avoiding detection and
elimination.
Is it possible that someone could learn to use the terrain and cover in
a manner that allows them to engage with any marker setup while being
immune to return fire? Yes it is. Is it possible that
someone is an exceptional shot at longer than average ranges?
Also a yes. Have I seen people with quiet markers make single
shot eliminations and redeploy without being detected.
Definitely. Have I seen someone do all of the above at the same
time. Yes. I've seen one person who can play like that on a
regular basis since I first started playing in 1985. If he called
himself a paintball sniper, I'd nod my head and say "yes oh great one."
Should paintball snipers have to go to sniping schools and do algebraic
formulas and crawl for miles across flat terrain without being
seen. No. This is paintball, it's a game. Should they
have to learn about windage and elevation. If they want to hit
targets with a sub 300 fps projectile at ranges greater than 50 feet
they better. This doesn't have to be complex classroom studies
though, what it needs to be is knowing the performance of their marker
well enough to understand how it will perform under all conditions.
Pro_Carbine said the following:
A "sniper" is a postion where you hide and dont move and take people out.
I have to throw the BS flag hard on that one. That is not
sniping, not even paintball sniping. It is merely mastering the
old pudgy broken guy technique that I use frequently to ambush
opponents when my knees and back restrict my movements.
Congratulations, you play woodsball like a 40+ year old.
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Posted By: Dead_George52
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 8:54pm
Snake6 wrote:
Bio123 wrote:
Pro_Carbine wrote:
I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide
and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball...
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someone gets it
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No someone doesnt get it. Specifically you dont get it.
Have you ever been to a sniping school?
Do you engage enemies from beyond the effective range of return fire?
Do you use complex Algebreic Formulas to predict exact shot placement?
Do you have to adjust for windage and elevation?
Do you have the ability to chose your target specifically, and
engage with one shot from a range that it is impossible for
the enemy to know where you were until you are long gone?
Do you have the ability to shoot at targets so far away that they are dead before they hear the shot?
If not, you are not a sniper. |
Nice and Simple. End of arguement right there!
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Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 11:22pm
Snake6 wrote:
Bio123 wrote:
Pro_Carbine wrote:
I can argu that there is snipers. Now before you call any one a noob.
1)Senario game
2)People can play any way they want
3)A "sniper" is a postion where you hide
and dont move and take people out. Not every one plays speedball...
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someone gets it
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No someone doesnt get it. Specifically you dont get it.
Have you ever been to a sniping school?
Do you engage enemies from beyond the effective range of return fire?
Do you use complex Algebreic Formulas to predict exact shot placement?
Do you have to adjust for windage and elevation?
Do you have the ability to chose your target specifically, and
engage with one shot from a range that it is impossible for
the enemy to know where you were until you are long gone?
Do you have the ability to shoot at targets so far away that they are dead before they hear the shot?
If not, you are not a sniper. |
actually, a main rule for sf snipers is to get as close as possible
while maintaining concealment, mostly due to the odds of hitting a
target on the first shot, and the ability to choose a proper first
target. Noise hasn't been an issue since the invention of
supressors and subsonic ammunition ;)
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