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Topic: Who here thinks...
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Who here thinks...
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:14pm
.....The President should give a crap what the American people think?  I ask this because I just heard another one of those "I don't care what you think, I know I'm right" quotes on tv and it seriously ticks me off. Do these people not know that they are public servants? They work for us! We gave them their jobs! Arrogence.....



Or firm resolve, what do you think?


ps
   I'm not whining, I'm just making a thread about rather or not our national leaders should care what we, the people, think.....


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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:16pm
Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs. 

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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:16pm
Why does he need to care what we think? The man claims he speaks with god and he tells him what to do.

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs.

The only way that can be said if the election was a mandate, which it wasn't. Not even close. he just treats it as if it was.

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Posted By: TippmannPro13
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:19pm
Meh, I could really care less about the President.

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Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:19pm
I say move to canada. Paul Martin cares about us!

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:20pm
(mbro)Here here, and I still have doubts about our last two elections......

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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs. 


I do support Bush on some issues(eves dropping) and some things I don't support(caring about the Iraqis freedom). I do believe that he is a better leader than John Kerry. Just because one man isn't that great doesn't mean that the other guy running against him is so great.


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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:02pm
Yeah, but most of the time in politics it's picking the lesser of two evils. I most definately thin John Kerry was that, especially in hindsight......

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs. 


I do support Bush on some issues(eves dropping) and some things I don't support(caring about the Iraqis freedom). I do believe that he is a better leader than John Kerry. Just because one man isn't that great doesn't mean that the other guy running against him is so great.

I'm sure you would think differently if you lived in Iraq.


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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:06pm
I don't know why we spend so much money on restoring a 3rd world country. Who cares I think the American people should see some of those trillions of dollars.

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Posted By: falcon
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by eliminator eliminator wrote:

I say move to canada. Paul Martin cares about us!

That's just sad if you think that.
As a Canadian I will say that I dont really have the best of ideas about the American government and its workings. But I'm pretty sure Bush and his advisors have better incoming intelligence then lets say... you do. I'm also sure its not the easiest of tasks to make desisions that will not only effect your country but will could also have global ramications.
You know the saying 'Cant please everyone all the time'? Try pleasing an intire country? By all means I'm not defending Bush, just saying that its a tough job to lead a counrty.

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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

I don't know why we spend so much money on restoring a 3rd world country. Who cares I think the American people should see some of those trillions of dollars.


I share your heartless views.


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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:12pm
As do I. And that was weird coming from a Candadian falcon....nice gun though....

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:17pm

Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

I don't know why we spend so much money on restoring a 3rd world country. Who cares I think the American people should see some of those trillions of dollars.

There certainly is some logic to that approach, but you must remember that those other countries aren't that far from here.  It's a small world.

Query, for instance, whether we would be having the current terrorism problems if the Middle East were more prosperous?

Query whether the US would be as prosperous as it is if Europe had been left in shambles after WWII?  The Marshall Plan was arguably the best investment ever made by the US.

You can view foreign aid as charity, or you can view it as an investment.



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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:19pm
We're investing in a 3000 year old money pit.

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:20pm
Investing in future global prosperity is one thing but there is certainly no Marshal Plan going on in Iraq right now and I expect that any kind of investment in the mideast that would work out as well as ours in Europe did would have to be very very big.......But hey, if we get that all taken care of maybe we can start on Africa....

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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:22pm
Africa...haha...hahahaha.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:23pm
We should not have gone to war.

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Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 5:25pm

Originally posted by falcon falcon wrote:

Originally posted by eliminator eliminator wrote:

I say move to canada. Paul Martin cares about us!

That's just sad if you think that.
As a Canadian I will say that I dont really have the best of ideas about the American government and its workings. But I'm pretty sure Bush and his advisors have better incoming intelligence then lets say... you do. I'm also sure its not the easiest of tasks to make desisions that will not only effect your country but will could also have global ramications.
You know the saying 'Cant please everyone all the time'? Try pleasing an intire country? By all means I'm not defending Bush, just saying that its a tough job to lead a counrty.
I was being sarcastic about Paul Martin. I know it's hard to lead a country, it's hard to lead 10 people let alone millions. I know Bush has more Inteligence then me but, was jus saying i do not agree with most of there ways and beliefs. For exemple if i was alowed to vote in the next election i wouldn't vote becasue i do not have the same beliefs as Steven Harper or any of the other polotitions runnigs in the up comming election. This is comming from a 13 year old, let alone what some of the adults in our country think.



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Posted By: sneaky_sniper
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:37pm
stop whinen about bush, in a couple of years we can get rid of him till then, were screwed, so deal with it...

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Posted By: Zesty.
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:42pm

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs. 
You vote for someone because you THINK they will perform the best out of the given candidates, just because you vote for him doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he does. Geeze.

 



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Posted By: Zesty.
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Meh, the American People elected him. By electing him, we basically said that we like how you are running the country, and agree with your beliefs. 


I do support Bush on some issues(eves dropping) and some things I don't support(caring about the Iraqis freedom). I do believe that he is a better leader than John Kerry. Just because one man isn't that great doesn't mean that the other guy running against him is so great.
That is a good point, and what makes voting pretty "tainted"......nearly everytime, it's all about choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

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Posted By: eliminator
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:53pm
I agree with zesty. you Have to choose one of the two, like zesty. said you have to choose the lesser of the evils

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Yeah, but most of the time in politics it's picking the lesser of two evils. I most definately thin John Kerry was that, especially in hindsight......


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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Africa...haha...hahahaha.

I think the world's future lies in Africa. If, and when the world superpower and rising superpowers get into a conflict, I believe Africa and South America will become new rising powers in the world.


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Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 7:50pm
Well heck, Beating Kerry shouldnt of been that hard.

Could be worse, ya could be in N.Korea.


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Posted By: falcon
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:28am
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

As do I. And that was weird coming from a Candadian falcon....nice gun though....

Canadian or American or British or French, politics are politics and I believe my comments are general enough to apply to any government running a diplomatic country
eliminator wrote:
I say move to canada. Paul Martin cares about us!

Originally posted by eleminator eleminator wrote:


I was being sarcastic about Paul Martin. I know it's hard to lead a country, it's hard to lead 10 people let alone millions. I know Bush has more Inteligence then me but, was jus saying i do not agree with most of there ways and beliefs. For exemple if i was alowed to vote in the next election i wouldn't vote becasue i do not have the same beliefs as Steven Harper or any of the other polotitions runnigs in the up comming election. This is comming from a 13 year old, let alone what some of the adults in our country think.

I really don't want to hijack a thread or get off topic and start talking about Canadian politics so I'll make this brief. You stating that you're 13 almost makes me want to completely disregard what you have said. I remember at 13 I know now that I was not old enough to form my own ideas on politics or beliefs, because you just haven't been around long enough to form your on ideas and beliefs. There is a reason why the legal age to vote is 18. I still believe that the average 18 year old isn't responsible enough to make a proper judgment on who would be the best candidate to run out country. In Canada we have many more options. Liberal, Conservative, NDP and many other independent parties. Even if you don't agree with the party's entire platform, there may be things that are a major priority for you that is part of their platform. You don't even need to vote party and look into the people running in your constituency, and vote for the best candidate that would be best for your area. As a Canadian citizen you have lots of options. Your only non-option should be not to vote.

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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:30am
Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Africa...haha...hahahaha.

I think the world's future lies in Africa. If, and when the world superpower and rising superpowers get into a conflict, I believe Africa and South America will become new rising powers in the world.


Have you seen Africa lately? Unless some miracle comes along, it will be a wasteland within two generations.


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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 2:05pm
Or any kind of major attention from the first world....I mean, I know we pay some attention, at least enough to say we do, but things could be done to clean it up much better than it is....

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Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

I don't know why we spend so much money on restoring a 3rd world country. Who cares I think the American people should see some of those trillions of dollars.

There certainly is some logic to that approach, but you must remember that those other countries aren't that far from here.  It's a small world.

Query, for instance, whether we would be having the current terrorism problems if the Middle East were more prosperous?

Query whether the US would be as prosperous as it is if Europe had been left in shambles after WWII?  The Marshall Plan was arguably the best investment ever made by the US.

You can view foreign aid as charity, or you can view it as an investment.


I understand that completely. The only thing I will say against thatis America did help rebuild Japan after WWII, and now Japan is becoming very rich and powerful in manufacturing and buisness. The will soon become the world leader in car manufacturing.


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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:06pm
I think President Bush is doing a good job.


Posted By: djrock
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:10pm
Thank you, someone else besides Hoytshooter agrees with me on something.

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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

I think President Bush is doing a good job.


A good job of what? Spending money?


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:16pm
They have it way to easy over in Africa. Believe me. They have all those animals to play with. They get to sleep under the stars every night. Sometimes, they don't even have to grow up. Way too easy.

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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 8:22pm

Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Yeah, but most of the time in politics it's picking the lesser of two evils. I most definately thin John Kerry was that, especially in hienzsight......

GET IT?!

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Posted By: amishman89
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 8:35pm
 Africa is going to be a key element in the furture of the world as we know it. Right as we speak they are planning to drill for oil there. I saw on a news report that they estimate a ocean of oil under africa. Iam not kidding, thats what they said. Wait about ten years to see what devolopes.

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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 8:36pm
No matter what the president does, whoever he/she is, people will always say its the wrong thing to do.

And you guys are choosing from republican or democrat. Are we forgetting the 3rd party canidates. This isnt a 50/50 choice here folks.

Also, you people are focusing on just the Iraquis. It was proven Saddam was on his way to making(if not already making) WMDs. That could be shot at the US at his whim. This is also the reason why Iran is looking awfull suspicious.

Only time will tell if the president now made the right decisions. Until then just go with it.


Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

I think President Bush is doing a good job.


A good job of what? Spending money?



Screwing this country....His work oughta take at least 10 years to fix....


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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Only time will tell if the president now made the right decisions. Until then just go with it.


I'm sure that's exactly what the founding fathers would have suggested.


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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 11:09pm
Dun dun Chsh!


And it doesn't take much time to realize that Bush is making the wrong decisions, just a little logical thought....


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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 11:29pm
I'm certanly glad we have gone to war.

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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Dun dun Chsh!


And it doesn't take much time to realize that Bush is making the wrong decisions, just a little logical thought....


So kerry would have sat around here and worked on his Universal medical plan that he never really specified how he would do it.

Yeah...Ok.

Oh and for the record, I want you, Ejp414,  to explain to me what the founding fathers ment. Cause if you can do that, there is alot of people that want to talk to you.

Seriously, he got elected...Not Forced his way into office, but ELECTED. Therefore he was voted as the best canidate to run this country. Plus he is but one man. There are other parts of the government that has control over us. Its not fair to use just him as a scape goat.

And about this wire taps and whatnot. This isnt the olden days when protecting our freedom was just keeping someone off our borders. People need to realize that the government is here to protect us, and in turn we give up some of our freedoms. If you have something to hide then you need to be caught.
I dont know about you, but if they find that Joe Smith down the street is planning on blowing up my school by tapping his line without him knowing. Im all for it.

Plus they only watched a few thousand people. America has 240 million ish. The odds you were being spied on, are slim to none.



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