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Topic: Flatline Accuracy Comparison
Posted By: TrivialBeing
Subject: Flatline Accuracy Comparison
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 10:21pm
      I am trying to decide whether or not to get a flatline. A regular barrel is cheaper and probably more accurate, but a flatline looks soo much better and has a flat trajectory and more range. The selling point for me will be accuracy, if the flatline has accuracy anywhere near a barrel like the progressive or J&J or Bigshot then I am going to get it but if the bigshot leaves the flatline entriley in the dust, I will get the Bigshot. What are your opinions and if anyone can tell me the specs of accuracy for the flatline at like 100-150 ft it would be greatly appreciated! thanks.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 10:25pm
The flatline has accuracy maybe a little better than the stock barrel at 50ft. But at 100-150ft you would be lucky to hit the broad side of a barn and get a break.

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Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 10:28pm
alright thanks, it just looks soo much better with a stock bceause a straight barrel is absolutley hideous with a stock and it wouldve been nice to put a stock on for cosmetics.

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Posted By: piranhakiller
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 10:57pm
True but I know neday I would rather have ppl makin fun of my 16in barrel and then once we do play their the first ones out"by me of course", but the flatline is definatly worth it. Just make sure to get the special squeege for it.

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Posted By: Tiger Stripe
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 11:04pm
jnj they are great.

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Posted By: xTippyx
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 11:05pm
yea i just played with my flatline yesterday it was ok for woods but it had horrible accuracy. i could reach across the whole speedball course but couldnt hit anything, thats why i ordered my bigshot for 30 bucks from doropaintball.com they on sale for 98s.


Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 11:06pm
why the J&J over the Bigshot?

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Posted By: xTippyx
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 11:08pm
j&j are a little cheaper, but u can get a bigshot m98, 98 custom,and custom pro on doro like i said for 30 dollars, j&j usually 30-40.


Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 1:58am
how do they compare to eachother in accuracy?


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 3:38am
The flatline is no more accurate or inaccurate then other barrels.  Theguy I beleive made an excellent post about it, let me see if I can dig it up.

EDIT :  (Image doesnt work but you get the idea)
Originally posted by theguy theguy wrote:

Class1 why the flatline seems innaccurate

Why the Flatline SEEMS Inaccurate.

Lets start with our diagram. A is our shooter. Now, no barrel is dead on accurate. They all have a margin of error. Lets say that the margin of error in this picture is about 5 degrees. Shooting a standard barrel (B), it seems very accurate at its maximum range.

However when shooting a flatline (C) which has the same margin of error as a standard barrel, it spreads over a larger area but actually is just as accurate as barrel B.

So hopefully now you will understand why you are getting great range form your flatline, but not hitting dead-on.



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Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 5:13pm
is this true? I was thinking that because of the back spin on the ball it would be more vulnerable to left-right inconsistency. I appreciate your post but I would apppreciate even more if anyone can verify this.

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Posted By: xTippyx
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 5:27pm
yep my paint was curving left and right when i shot so i had to aim a little left or right each time for a straight shot.


Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 5:29pm
what I thought thank you.

edit:

I've got another question, how accurate is the BT-16 barrel, or other barrels like it that will fit the 98c if there are any. (accuracy in comparison to a bigshot or J&J)


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Posted By: tigman250
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 6:00pm

you're shooting a round gell filled ball, there isn't any "magic" barrel that will make it a tack driver. stick with a J&J, bigshot or progressive they are all good barrels for the $, the flatline will buy you some added distance but accuracy past a conventional barrel is questionable.



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Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 6:06pm
yah I have pretty clearly decided against the flatline, but if anyone could answer my above question I would really appreciate it.

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Posted By: danieljk
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 6:57pm

I'm pretty sure it'd be just as accurate as any barrel if u had the right paint match to go w/ it.



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Posted By: Panzerblitz
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 11:47pm
I have a flatline and it shows a remarkable difference in distance. The only
thing is that if a ball breaks in the barrel, you will see the ball do some
wicked things.(which only happened 2 times this last saturday in a 6 hour
paintball day...probably about 2-3000 shots...superb % compared to
other barrels) Curve, slice, look like a knucke ball, and actually one
looked like a corkscrew (one guy almost got shot he laughtd so much at
that one). You also have to use good paint. If you have old paint or cheap
paint the paint may settle (always flip your boxes) and when you get that
spin the flatline puts on, the weight of the settled paint could add a side
spin and curve. The best paint that I have used in my Flatline Are Stingers
and Marballizers. I think that the Flatline is the most innovative barrel out
there and recommend to anyone who has a tippmann.

Here is a good tip if you have a flatline....Make sure you bring a sponge
squeege out to the field. If a ball breaks (like I said earlier) and you do not
have one, you are screwed. You cannot clean a flatline by just unscrewing
it. I am sure that some of y'all have experienced that.


Posted By: TrivialBeing
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 3:47am
Good to know, though how does it compare in accuracy to a bigshot for example?

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Posted By: 3hb78ftg
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:44am

 would like to add that I currently use a flatline and before purchasing I always do a lot of analyzing. I will not come out and say that the pro's and con's for the flatline are correct or incorrect because I have noticed that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. which in turn is what one reads. I will however, both agree and disagree to many comments I have read in numerous reviews.

I have had my flatine (A5 Stealth package) for a week now and have had the chance to put it to fair use for woodsball. People say that it is not accurate, remember, how the flatline works. You are going against gravity with a backspin which results in a flat line. Now for those of you who with not much experience taking it apart, there are some factors involved such as interior barrel alignment and mounting. when I received mine I had noticed that for something that should be "out of the box" the barrel was mounted incorrectly. The top screw was not aligned with the sight and when I turned the barrel completely to the right for mounting, same problem to the other side. After correcting this (centering and tightening screws) and practicing for a while I still found odd that I was having problems with accuracy.

I decided to read a little further and stumbled across FPS issues and set my marker for 280. I have been happy since. I am still messing around with paint to find the best combination available in my area (Puerto Rico) and have sort of narrowed down a comfortable setup. No marker is perfect right out of the box and like practically anything out there, fine tuning and getting used to will always have to be done.

My reply is based on the fact that everyone has their own opinion somethings work and some things don't. Now learning off of other peoples experiences makes things alot easier.

I will always recommend reading several forums and numerous reviews.

Do not always believe what the sales pitch says, that's what it is, a sales pitch.



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Posted By: danieljk
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 11:35am

Would it compare good w/ the interceptor??? Is the interceptor a good barrel as well?



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Posted By: MoNkeY Hunter
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 5:29pm
 Get a super Chromium barrel!  LOL


Posted By: warbeak2099
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 6:02pm
If you are looking for accuracy first and foremost, forget the flatline and go for a J&J ceramic. BTW, flat trajectory is a marketing ploy, it's not going to help you any. Even when set up correctly and used in the perfect conditions, a flatline barrel will never have the accuracy of a good quality conventional barrel like the J&J.

In REAL LIFE CONDITIONS, the flatline compares terribly. It does shoot pretty far, but at the extra distances the ball just doesn't stay straight. At shorter distances, it still isn't as good as a high quality, straight barrel. This is due to the spin put on the ball. You have the solid shell spinning and the liquid fill sloshing around inside. Anyone who understands simple physics knows that when force is applied to an object from two different vectors (directions), the object will not go straight. Basically, the ball is going one way and the liquid is going another way. Spin on a paintball = bad for accuracy.

Just find yourself a good quality, conventional barrel. The way to tell if a barrel is good quality is this:

1) First 6-8" has no porting whatsoever
2) First 6-8" has a good quality bore / inner diameter. It should be smooth and have a mirror finish. It should also be perfectly round inside.
3) No longer than 16" or you will lose performance.

If you play light recball, I couldn't reccomend the J&J ceramic enough. If you play a little more seriously, you might want to look into a decent kit for optimizing your accuracy. One of the most important factors in accuracy is paint to bore match.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 6:25pm
I always tell everyone that if you can have only one barrel for a 98, it needs to be a J&J (Bigshot for the A5, but that's off-topic).  Don't get me wrong, I have a F/L and I am very happy with it. I get comparable accuracy to most other after market barrels out to the ranges of the normal barrels plus I get the F/L advantages of being able to provide suppressive fire at ranges others can't touch and using the flat trajectory to engage targets in thick brush that I would otherwise be unable to hit.  However, this comes with a price which includes the following:
  • Cleaning the barrel after every game whether I broke paint or not.
  • Readjusting the barrel and red dot sight at the beginning of every  paintball day.
  • Spending extra money on top quality paint.
  • Flipping any leftover paint every day between paintball days.
Furthermore, the F/L has some quirks that every user needs to be aware of:
  • They are very climate sensitive
    • Breaks increase below 70 degrees.
    • Hard cross/headwinds do ugly things with the backspin.
    • Excess humidity also causes me problems, although I don't know if it is because of condensation swelling of the paintballs.
  • When paint breaks in them you are totally and completely hosed for accuracy until it is thoroughly cleaned.
  • You have to know how to use it.
    • It's not a long range sniper barrel--at the longest range it is much more useful for suppressive fire
    • The F/L has to be installed perfectly straight
      • Any left/right tilt in the installation will cause "curve balls".
      • This needs to be constantly checked--no matter how tightly I put mine on I always end up readjusting it before the next time I play.
    • You must hold the marker perfectly level when firing or you get "curve balls" due to the spin being imparted off-center to the trajectory of the paintball  (sometimes this can be very useful though).
  • It is not a speedball barrel.
Overall, I like it as a woodsball barrel, as long as I have other barrels to choose from when playing in less than ideal conditions such as cold, wind, or excess humidity, which all affect it's performance.  It is not a barrel you can put on your marker once and forget about it, it is rather high maintenance if you want the best performance.  It is definitely not for someone who does not enjoy tinkering with their marker.

Edited Note:  I recommend that anyone considering a F/L purchase try to borrow one for a few games first.  The F/L is one of those items that people either love or hate, which you can probably tell from the input provided in this thread.


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Posted By: warbeak2099
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

I always tell everyone that if you can have only one barrel for a 98,
it needs to be a J&J (Bigshot for the A5, but that's
off-topic).  Don't get me wrong, I have a F/LI am very happy with
it. I get comparable accuracy to most other after market barrels out to
the ranges of the normal barrels plus I get the F/L advantages of being
able to provide suppressive fire at ranges others can't touch and using
the flat trajectory to engage targets in thick brush that I would
otherwise be unable to hit.  However, this comes with a price
which includes the following:

  • Cleaning the barrel after every game whether I broke paint or not.

  • Readjusting the barrel and red dot sight at the beginning of every  paintball day.

  • Spending extra money on top quality paint.

  • Flipping any leftover paint every day between paintball days.


Furthermore, the F/L has some quirks that every user needs to be aware of:

  • They are very climate sensitive


    •     
    • Breaks increase below 70 degrees.

    •     
    • Hard cross/headwinds do ugly things with the backspin.

    •     
    • Excess humidity also causes me problems, although I don't know if it is because of condensation swelling of the paintballs.
          


  • When paint breaks in them you are totally and completely hosed for accuracy until it is thoroughly cleaned.

  • You have to know how to use it.


    •     
    • It's not a long range sniper barrel--at the longest range it is much more useful for suppressive fire

    •     
    • The F/L has to be installed perfectly straight

    •     

              
      • Any left/right tilt in the installation will cause "curve balls".

      •       
      • This needs to be constantly checked--no matter how tightly I
        put mine on I always end up readjusting it before the next time I play.

      •     

          
    • You must hold the marker perfectly level when firing or you get
      "curve balls" due to the spin being imparted off-center to the
      trajectory of the paintball  (sometimes this can be very useful
      though).


  • It is not a speedball barrel.


Overall, I like it as a woodsball barrel, as long as I have other
barrels to choose from when playing in less than ideal conditions such
as cold, wind, or excess humidity, which all affect it's
performance.  It is not a barrel you can put on your marker once
and forget about it, it is rather high maintenance if you want the best
performance.  It is definitely not for someone who does not enjoy
tinkering with their marker.



QFT. It is not for making accurate shots. Rather, it's better for suppressing fire.   

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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 17 January 2006 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by piranhakiller piranhakiller wrote:

True but I know neday I would rather have ppl makin fun of my 16in barrel and then once we do play their the first ones out"by me of course", but the flatline is definatly worth it. Just make sure to get the special squeege for it.
I use a 16" barrel...

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