Hahaha.

Very cool.

If we built a wall, it would end up being built by illegal workers anyway.

Well this is beyond talking about anyway, building a wall would be un-American.

wall = sucks

any way they found a tunnel that goes from the teaquana (sp) airport to some giant wearhouse there in Az. i guess it the largest ever found, as reported by the local news. i guess there was 2 tons of marijuana.

Hoytshooter wrote: I have a pretty good feeling there is alot terrorists coming from this line, why wouldnt they, its easy.

Well I am glad you have the Intel-Recon needed to know that.

You should work for the FBI.

Good thing the Native Americans didn't go for this "Build a wall and kill all who come over" theory.

Brian Fellows wrote: WE SHUD PUT LEIK MASHEIN GUNZ AND NUKLULAR DETH MINES AT TEH BORDAR!!!!1~   LOLOLOL

I concur.

Ohh... You think america is bad for immagrants... You've never seen pollokshaws then.

bluemunky wrote: Snake6 wrote: High Voltage wrote: Hoytshooter wrote: Build a wall. fund said wall. Build it with sticks. Still would have to pay the workers.

Use prisoners.

impulse! wrote: bluemunky wrote: Snake6 wrote: High Voltage wrote: Hoytshooter wrote: Build a wall. fund said wall. Build it with sticks. Still would have to pay the workers. Use prisoners.

True americans would volenteer.

Get some mexicans to build it and when they finish, toss them off the wall back into mexico.

     I don't believe the idea is to build a wall spanning the entire border and keeping everyone out but instead to funnel the border jumpers to where law enforcement can deal with them. Using the military to patrol the border is impractical, far too much ground to cover and very expensive to keep a mech unit mobilized.

     The reason that immigration has become such an issue is one that these aliens crossing the border have become very destructive and in some cases violent and secondly they become a drain on the economy, as services (not welfare), must be provided for them at the expense of the taxpayers.

  The only way to solve the problem is the total annexation of Mexico. If we're going to get the people, we may as well get the realestate.

Joe Cool wrote:   The only way to solve the problem is the total annexation of Mexico. If we're going to get the people, we may as well get the realestate.

Didn't Gallagher make that joke in 1985?

More to the point, simply kicking out, and keeping out, all current and future illegal immigrants is not a constructive approach to the problem.

There may have been a time for that - but that time has passed.

Illegal immigrants are very integrated into society.  Simply removing them and blocking them would be devastating to many sectors of our economy, and would also result in a great many individual injustices.  I don't think we can get away with a simple solution like that anymore.

I for one applaud Bush on his efforts toward a constructive solution to immigration issues.  He obviously hasn't quite figured it out yet, but at least he is giving it a fair look.

   Ok so now look at it from a logistical stand point, you would have to string a line of base camps for HMMV's to refuel, as well as multiple jump off points for your air cav. So now it becomes necessary to provide supplies to little camps strung out among a lot of little shanty towns. Your local guard could also be hard pressed to find enough individuals to man these units as most are part-time soldiers for a reason as well as border patrol is not covered under current doctrine.

  The federal government should just endorse the bounty hunters that bring in illegals, pay higher bounties and therefore encourage the good ole' boys down there to round them up.

You've really got a hard on for the military solution. Beyond what I see as becoming a support nightmare is the bad press the already berated US military would be facing. Imagine US soldiers moving Mexican civilians, these refugees of poverty, at gun point. The press would have a field day just like they did with Elion or whatever his name was.

The press would have feild day because, in our society it is is un p.c to deport imgrants as this is seen as racism,

 I for one am sick of this society that think the "minoritys" group of immagrants have any say in the running of our fine country,

 They don't have a say because most of them cant vote as the are citizens of some southern territories and do not have ANY legall right to reside in our country,

 I dont think putting up a wall along the border would solve any problems, as it is not just mexicans that flood the border it is all people of most poverty stircken nations,

and it is even frowned apunt to inprisen them for TRESSPASSING on OUR rightfull land. This angers me so much as if we in at a tim of need the mexicans or any other southern america would close the border with out a second thought

Monkey Dust wrote: and it is even frowned apunt to inprisen them for TRESSPASSING on OUR rightfull land.

What do you mean "our rightful land"?  What did you do to earn a special right to be here?

MD wrote: The press would have feild day because, in our society it is is un p.c to deport imgrants as this is seen as racism

And one reason for that perception may be that "kick out the furreigners" statements are often made by people who put "white civil rights" in their forum sigs...

Clark Kent wrote: Monkey Dust wrote: and it is even frowned apunt to inprisen them for TRESSPASSING on OUR rightfull land. What do you mean "our rightful land"?  What did you do to earn a special right to be here?

But Clark, he is white, that means he is entitled.

why dont we just start a war with mexico blow the **edited** out of it and take it over! the us would be huge then!

jk

^^ Then all ther Mexican immigrants would go back to their home land now that it is under U.S rule! Then give Mexico back and there all stuck there!

Genious

^^ ROFLMAO!!11!!!!1!ONE!!1

Monkey Dust wrote: I was born and raised here. Would you let somone come into your house uninvited?

First, I'm guessing you really mean "your parent's house", in which case you shouldn't be doing any inviting.  Now if you actually bought the house yourself, then you have done something to earn the right to invite.  Comparing a house to you earned to a country you happened to be born to is silly.

Being born here isn't doing anything.  So I ask again - what have you DONE to EARN the right to exclude others?  What makes this YOUR land somehow?

MD wrote: So you think white pople are not "allowed" to have civil rights

Any other words you would like to put in my mouth while you are at it?

What civil rights are you being denied as a white man?

I was goiong to stay out of this one but i want to put my point accross.

I live in the U.K where there is a very large number of immigrants. Around Glasgow a substantial chunk of the population are immigrants i have no problem with this. I am completely in favour of a multicultural society. However i do have a problem with people who come here for financial gain alone.

 As you may be aware Great Britain has quite a generous benefit system for asylum seekers and I would fully support any initiative that helps people in need, Although i do think its being taken advantage of. The entire European union would accept and care for asylum seekers from eastern Europe but they will go to great lengths to get to Britain (Via the channel tunnel or smuggle themselves on boats.)

This is not a dislike towards foriegners as I hold lower regard for the unemployed. (providing there is no good reason) It is caring for the country to which i pay taxes, Taxes wich i dont think should be used to care for any one to come over here to sponge off the over generous system.

That is why I feel tighter immigration rules are needed.

I not being denid any rights as a white man.

What civil rights are black men being denied... None but they and most other minoriteys are still crying out for more benifits, equallity and rights...

And this is a substancal drain on our soceity

I for one would like the same benefits minorities have, I.E. Scholarships for the damn COLOR OF YOUR SKIN, being able to cry "he fired me cuz im black" if I get fired. That is what pisses me off, equality should be equal,both ways. Blacks as well as other minorities aren't entitled a damn thing special. The race bubble on tests, job aplications and other things should be totally ruled out.

On topic: The mexicans that are getting in should be stopped, at no matter what cost, if the border was like military bases in Iraq and Afgahanistan anybody trying to get in would be shot dead before entering the base, why shouldnt the COUNTRY THE SOLDIERS ARE DEFENDING BE THE SAME?

Hoytshooter wrote: I for one would like the same benefits minorities have, I.E. Scholarships for the damn COLOR OF YOUR SKIN, being able to cry "he fired me cuz im black" if I get fired. That is what pisses me off, equality should be equal,both ways. Blacks as well as other minorities aren't entitled a damn thing special. The race bubble on tests, job aplications and other things should be totally ruled out. On topic: The mexicans that are getting in should be stopped, at no matter what cost, if the border was like military bases in Iraq and Afgahanistan anybody trying to get in would be shot dead before entering the base, why shouldnt the COUNTRY THE SOLDIERS ARE DEFENDING BE THE SAME?

Worst. Arguments. Ever.

Clark Kent wrote: More to the point, simply kicking out, and keeping out, all current and future illegal immigrants is not a constructive approach to the problem. There may have been a time for that - but that time has passed. Illegal immigrants are very integrated into society.  Simply removing them and blocking them would be devastating to many sectors of our economy, and would also result in a great many individual injustices.  I don't think we can get away with a simple solution like that anymore. I for one applaud Bush on his efforts toward a constructive solution to immigration issues.  He obviously hasn't quite figured it out yet, but at least he is giving it a fair look.

No one has it completely figured out, but I agree that the time for removing AND blocking is past.  But, I believe that efforts to slow(and over time STOP) illegal immigration is the best plan to "wheen" the country off the cheap labor we receive. 

Just a little fact, money sent in from the U.S. is one of Mexico's Top 5 sources of income(number 3 i believe)

mbro wrote: People who want to close the boarders are nothing but racists. This is exactly the same thing as the mid to late 1800 imigration boom when Germans, Irish, and Italians were pursuicted. America is still a young country. To stop us from continuing to change and grow will lead to our eventual death. We NEED immigrants to keep our country running.

I don't think anyone here is advocating closing the border- we're talking about enforcing immigration law. America should certainly welcome immigrants, but only those who have respect for the laws of the society they want to join. Legal immigration ought to be expanded, while illegal immigration is completely stopped. The government ahs to know who's coming into the coutnry these days, or run the risk of people getting in who are going to cause serious trouble, be they criminals or terrorists.

Clark Kent wrote: Monkey Dust wrote: and it is even frowned apunt to inprisen them for TRESSPASSING on OUR rightfull land. What do you mean "our rightful land"?  What did you do to earn a special right to be here?

Uh, we kicked out the red man.

Its ours now.

Well sort it out!

mbro wrote: Monkey Dust wrote: minoriteys are still crying out for more benifits, equallity and rights... And this is a substancal drain on our soceity They want more equality huh? That makes sense. Lots of sense. People who want to close the boarders are nothing but racists. This is exactly the same thing as the mid to late 1800 imigration boom when Germans, Irish, and Italians were pursuicted. America is still a young country. To stop us from continuing to change and grow will lead to our eventual death. We NEED immigrants to keep our country running.

:/

I'm gonna say we are one of the oldest countries.